What if

by **Archetype** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:44 pm

Chuck came back full time? Would there be any difference?

by **Baron Von Bielski** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:25 am

Archetype wrote:Chuck came back full time? Would there be any difference?

I don't think so. Although older fans would be happier, the band itself wouldn't change it's direction.

by **Toph** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:41 am

Archetype wrote:Chuck came back full time? Would there be any difference?

They would suck even more. Chuck may be a sentimental favorite but never has been perceived as a great bass player.

by **Baron Von Bielski** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:37 am

Toph wrote:
Archetype wrote:Chuck came back full time? Would there be any difference?

They would suck even more. Chuck may be a sentimental favorite but never has been perceived as a great bass player.

That may be, but Ricky Phillips is not exactly reinventing bass playing himself.

by **gr8whitehope** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:09 am

Baron Von Bielski wrote:
Toph wrote:
Archetype wrote:Chuck came back full time? Would there be any difference?

They would suck even more. Chuck may be a sentimental favorite but never has been perceived as a great bass player.

That may be, but Ricky Phillips is not exactly reinventing bass playing himself.

Ricky Phillips is one of the finest bass players out there.

by **gr8dane** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:09 am

gr8whitehope wrote:
Baron Von Bielski wrote:
Toph wrote:
Archetype wrote:Chuck came back full time? Would there be any difference?

They would suck even more. Chuck may be a sentimental favorite but never has been perceived as a great bass player.

That may be, but Ricky Phillips is not exactly reinventing bass playing himself.

Ricky Phillips is one of the finest bass players out there.

Well you know how it is.
If you got anything to do with Styx/JY/Tommy,
you automatically become relegated to 3rd division.

by **Archetype** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:54 am

gr8whitehope wrote:
Baron Von Bielski wrote:
Toph wrote:
Archetype wrote:Chuck came back full time? Would there be any difference?

They would suck even more. Chuck may be a sentimental favorite but never has been perceived as a great bass player.

That may be, but Ricky Phillips is not exactly reinventing bass playing himself.

Ricky Phillips is one of the finest bass players out there.

What can you offer that shows this? He's a hell of a guy (met him twice) but what makes him one of the finest bass players out there?

by **DarrenUK** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:02 am

gr8dane wrote:
gr8whitehope wrote:
Baron Von Bielski wrote:
Toph wrote:
Archetype wrote:Chuck came back full time? Would there be any difference?

They would suck even more. Chuck may be a sentimental favorite but never has been perceived as a great bass player.

That may be, but Ricky Phillips is not exactly reinventing bass playing himself.

Ricky Phillips is one of the finest bass players out there.

Well you know how it is.
If you got anything to do with Styx/JY/Tommy,
you automatically become relegated to 3rd division.

Yes Ricky Phillips sucks, just ask Neil Schon, David Coverdale and Jimmy Page

by **Monker** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:15 am

Archetype wrote:Chuck came back full time? Would there be any difference?

Yes. The would not be able to tour as much, or be so busy in general.

by **gr8whitehope** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:18 am

Archetype wrote:
gr8whitehope wrote:
Baron Von Bielski wrote:
Toph wrote:
Archetype wrote:Chuck came back full time? Would there be any difference?

They would suck even more. Chuck may be a sentimental favorite but never has been perceived as a great bass player.

That may be, but Ricky Phillips is not exactly reinventing bass playing himself.

Ricky Phillips is one of the finest bass players out there.

What can you offer that shows this? He's a hell of a guy (met him twice) but what makes him one of the finest bass players out there?

If you can't tell that you have no business discussing music.

by **Archetype** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:20 am

gr8whitehope wrote:
Archetype wrote:
gr8whitehope wrote:
Baron Von Bielski wrote:
Toph wrote:
Archetype wrote:Chuck came back full time? Would there be any difference?

They would suck even more. Chuck may be a sentimental favorite but never has been perceived as a great bass player.

That may be, but Ricky Phillips is not exactly reinventing bass playing himself.

Ricky Phillips is one of the finest bass players out there.

What can you offer that shows this? He's a hell of a guy (met him twice) but what makes him one of the finest bass players out there?

If you can't tell that you have no business discussing music.

So you've got nothing?

by **DarrenUK** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:27 am

Although known as the bass player for Styx, Bad English and The Babys, some of the other artists he has been invited to perform on stage and/or in the studio with include: Jimmy Page, Joe Cocker, Roger Daltrey, Mick Jagger, Sammy Haggar, Jeff Beck, Joe Satriani, Julian Lennon, Ted Nugent, Eddie Money, Steve Stevens, David Coverdale, Glenn Hughes, Joe Lynn Turner, Steve Lukather, Vinnie Caliuta, Alan White, Jeff Porcarro and Terri Bozzio. He has written, performed, sung, produced, and engineered music for various artists as well as for film and television. His styles of writing range from the rock genre he's known for, to children's music for Nickelodeon, jazz themes for CNN, Be Bop, Flamenco, blues and contemporary pop.

But he aint that good

by **Archetype** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:45 am

DarrenUK wrote:Although known as the bass player for Styx, Bad English and The Babys, some of the other artists he has been invited to perform on stage and/or in the studio with include: Jimmy Page, Joe Cocker, Roger Daltrey, Mick Jagger, Sammy Haggar, Jeff Beck, Joe Satriani, Julian Lennon, Ted Nugent, Eddie Money, Steve Stevens, David Coverdale, Glenn Hughes, Joe Lynn Turner, Steve Lukather, Vinnie Caliuta, Alan White, Jeff Porcarro and Terri Bozzio. He has written, performed, sung, produced, and engineered music for various artists as well as for film and television. His styles of writing range from the rock genre he's known for, to children's music for Nickelodeon, jazz themes for CNN, Be Bop, Flamenco, blues and contemporary pop.

But he aint that good

He's a very competent bass player, and I'm sure that his great personality has helped him score a lot of these gigs too, but what can he do that thousands of other bass players can not do? Specifically, how is he "one of the finest out there?"

by **gr8whitehope** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:22 am

Archetype wrote:
DarrenUK wrote:Although known as the bass player for Styx, Bad English and The Babys, some of the other artists he has been invited to perform on stage and/or in the studio with include: Jimmy Page, Joe Cocker, Roger Daltrey, Mick Jagger, Sammy Haggar, Jeff Beck, Joe Satriani, Julian Lennon, Ted Nugent, Eddie Money, Steve Stevens, David Coverdale, Glenn Hughes, Joe Lynn Turner, Steve Lukather, Vinnie Caliuta, Alan White, Jeff Porcarro and Terri Bozzio. He has written, performed, sung, produced, and engineered music for various artists as well as for film and television. His styles of writing range from the rock genre he's known for, to children's music for Nickelodeon, jazz themes for CNN, Be Bop, Flamenco, blues and contemporary pop.

But he aint that good

He's a very competent bass player, and I'm sure that his great personality has helped him score a lot of these gigs too, but what can he do that thousands of other bass players can not do? Specifically, how is he "one of the finest out there?"

Listen to Regeneration and you can see how much having a great bass player as opposed to a shit one changes a song. Listen to the skating thing and you can hear how tight he is with Todd and how his bass sparkled.

by **Archetype** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:43 am

gr8whitehope wrote:
Archetype wrote:
DarrenUK wrote:Although known as the bass player for Styx, Bad English and The Babys, some of the other artists he has been invited to perform on stage and/or in the studio with include: Jimmy Page, Joe Cocker, Roger Daltrey, Mick Jagger, Sammy Haggar, Jeff Beck, Joe Satriani, Julian Lennon, Ted Nugent, Eddie Money, Steve Stevens, David Coverdale, Glenn Hughes, Joe Lynn Turner, Steve Lukather, Vinnie Caliuta, Alan White, Jeff Porcarro and Terri Bozzio. He has written, performed, sung, produced, and engineered music for various artists as well as for film and television. His styles of writing range from the rock genre he's known for, to children's music for Nickelodeon, jazz themes for CNN, Be Bop, Flamenco, blues and contemporary pop.

But he aint that good

He's a very competent bass player, and I'm sure that his great personality has helped him score a lot of these gigs too, but what can he do that thousands of other bass players can not do? Specifically, how is he "one of the finest out there?"

Listen to Regeneration and you can see how much having a great bass player as opposed to a shit one changes a song. Listen to the skating thing and you can hear how tight he is with Todd and how his bass sparkled.

He's great, but but does that make him the finest out there?

by **Baron Von Bielski** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:49 am

gr8whitehope wrote:
Archetype wrote:
gr8whitehope wrote:
Baron Von Bielski wrote:
Toph wrote:
Archetype wrote:Chuck came back full time? Would there be any difference?

They would suck even more. Chuck may be a sentimental favorite but never has been perceived as a great bass player.

That may be, but Ricky Phillips is not exactly reinventing bass playing himself.

Ricky Phillips is one of the finest bass players out there.

What can you offer that shows this? He's a hell of a guy (met him twice) but what makes him one of the finest bass players out there?

If you can't tell that you have no business discussing music.

The fact that you claim he's a fine bass player puts you in that category as well.

by **Boomchild** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:55 pm

Toph wrote:
Archetype wrote:Chuck came back full time? Would there be any difference?

They would suck even more. Chuck may be a sentimental favorite but never has been perceived as a great bass player.

So what are you trying to say here? That Chuck's playing on past Styx albums and tours was bad therefore it would make the band sound bad?

by **Abitaman** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:28 pm

Keep Rick, or bring back Glen...leave Chuck to what he is doing now, special appearances.

by **gr8whitehope** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:08 am

Boomchild wrote:
Toph wrote:
Archetype wrote:Chuck came back full time? Would there be any difference?

They would suck even more. Chuck may be a sentimental favorite but never has been perceived as a great bass player.

So what are you trying to say here? That Chuck's playing on past Styx albums and tours was bad therefore it would make the band sound bad?

Yes exactly. Listen to the old Styx live recordings. Not a good live band for the most part.

by **StyxCollector** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:49 am

Archetype wrote:What can you offer that shows this? He's a hell of a guy (met him twice) but what makes him one of the finest bass players out there?

Ricky has the pedigree - look at who he's played with. It's about playing the right thing for the song, not being Geddy Lee or Chris Squire all the time. The bass parts in Styx were never complicated. I cut my teeth on them, consider Chuck to be one of my earliest influences, but in no way is he a 'monster' player but he was right for Styx. Period. Ricky isn't going to reinvent what was done on, say, "Come Sail Away". There is one song he does different ("Blue Collar Man") that I don't like how he's changed it because it's a feel thing for me. That's my only real gripe with Ricky's playing as it pertains to Styx.

I know Todd has been open about loving Ricky, but out of the three bass players in Styx over the years, my choice would be Glen in terms of what he brought to the table - no slam on Ricky or Chuck. And it's not just because Glen's main axe in Styx was a P bass

by **StyxCollector** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:52 am

gr8whitehope wrote:Yes exactly. Listen to the old Styx live recordings. Not a good live band for the most part.

Disagree. The '75 - '77 stuff is pretty peppy. You can tell they settled in a bit around '78 (compare the Chicago Stadium show to, say, Mantra Studios '77) and became more of the band we knew for years.

MR

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