Amazon Bio - No Dennis

[Toph]

Go to Amazon.com to look at any Styx album and under their bio is the new revisionist history bio of the band that the band has evidently provided them (same as the website). Truly a shame that anyone wanting to learn about Styx via a major retail site like amazon gets the revisionist history that doesn't mention Dennis at all. Not sure how JY sleeps at night.

[Don]

Definitely not an oversight.


STYX - Tommy Shaw, James “JY” Young, Lawrence Gowan, Todd Sucherman and Ricky Phillips (along with the occasional surprise appearance by original bassist Chuck Panozzo), have performed more live since ’99 than all of the previous years of its career combined. Two Super-Bowl appearances, Pollstar Box Office chart-topping tours with Def Leppard, Journey, Boston, REO Speedwagon, Bad Company (to name only a few), two more studio albums and no end in sight, STYX continues to conquer the planet, one venue at a time.
Spawned from a suburban Chicago basement in the early ‘70s, Styx would eventually transform into the virtual arena rock prototype by the late '70s and early '80s, due to a fondness for big rockers and soaring power ballads. Early on, Styx's music reflected such then-current prog rockers as Emerson, Lake & Palmer and the Moody Blues, as evidenced by such releases as 1972's self-titled debut, 1973's Styx II, 1974's The Serpent Is Rising, and 1975's Man of Miracles.
While the albums (as well as non-stop touring) helped the group build a substantial following locally, Styx failed to break through to the mainstream, until a track originally from their second album, "Lady" started to get substantial airplay in late '74 on the Chicago radio station WLS-FM. The song was soon issued as a single nationwide, and quickly shot to number six on the singles chart, as Styx II was certified gold. By this time, however, the group had grown disenchanted with their record label, and opted to sign on with A&M for their fifth release overall, 1975's Equinox (their former label would issue countless compilations over the years, culled from tracks off their early releases).
On the eve of the tour in support of the album, original guitarist John Curulewski abruptly left the band, and was replaced by Tommy Shaw. Shaw proved to be the missing piece of the puzzle for Styx, as most of their subsequent releases throughout the late '70s earned at least platinum certification (1976's Crystal Ball, 1977's The Grand Illusion, 1978's Pieces of Eight, and 1979's Cornerstone), and spawned such hit singles and classic rock radio standards as "Come Sail Away," "Renegade," "Blue Collar Man" and "Fooling Yourself.”
The band decided that their first release of the '80s would be a concept album, 1981's Paradise Theater, which was loosely based on the rise and fall of a once-beautiful theater (which was supposedly used as a metaphor for the state of the U.S. at the time -- the Iranian hostage situation, the Cold War, Reagan, etc.). Paradise Theater became Styx's biggest hit of their career (selling over three million copies in a three-year period), as they became one of the U.S. top rock acts due to such big hit singles as "Too Much Time on My Hands". It also marked the first time in history that a band released four consecutive triple-platinum albums.
A career-encompassing live album, Caught in the Act, was issued in 1984, before Styx went on hiatus, and the majority of its members pursued solo projects throughout the remainder of the decade. A re-recording of their early hit, "Lady" (titled "Lady" '95"), for a Greatest Hits compilation, finally united Shaw with his former Styx bandmates, which led to a full-on reunion tour in 1996. But drummer John Panozzo fell seriously ill at the time (due to a long struggle with alcoholism), which prevented him from joining the proceedings -- as he passed away in July of the same year. Although grief-stricken, Styx persevered with new drummer Todd Sucherman taking the place of Panozzo, as the Styx reunion tour became a surprise sold-out success, resulting in the release of a live album/video, 1997's "Return to Paradise," while a whole new generation of rock fans were introduced to the grandiose sounds of Styx via a humorous car ad which used the track "Mr. Roboto," as well as songs used in such TV shows as South Park and Freaks & Geeks.

[Don]

I remember when Journey pulled the same shit with their new website. The uproar was so great that not only did they rectify it within a week, they even put in a good sized classic photo section with material from Perry's time in the band and also to a lesser extent the Augeri era.

[masque]

whats the issue with it??? it only mentions the players that came along as replacements......shaw for jc and todd for john......briefly mentions that chuck still occasionally jams with them.

no mention of jy, gowan or ricky.

it mentions some of the songs dennis wrote but doesnt mention he wrote them nor does it mention that shaw wrote his hits either.

do you guys really expect there to be a big ole ddy section of a current bio on amazon???? really???

[bugsymalone]

What a shock.


Bugsy

[Don]

whats the issue with it??? it only mentions the players that came along as replacements......shaw for jc and todd for john......briefly mentions that chuck still occasionally jams with them.

no mention of jy, gowan or ricky.

it mentions some of the songs dennis wrote but doesnt mention he wrote them nor does it mention that shaw wrote his hits either.

do you guys really expect there to be a big ole ddy section of a current bio on amazon???? really???

I posted the entire bio from Amazon above. The first line does mention JY, Ricky and Gowan. Seeing as it's Styx though, I guess not everyone would care to read their entire bio anyway.

[Everett]

whats the issue with it??? it only mentions the players that came along as replacements......shaw for jc and todd for john......briefly mentions that chuck still occasionally jams with them.

no mention of jy, gowan or ricky.

it mentions some of the songs dennis wrote but doesnt mention he wrote them nor does it mention that shaw wrote his hits either.

do you guys really expect there to be a big ole ddy section of a current bio on amazon???? really???

Yes they do

[Monker]

I remember when Journey pulled the same shit with their new website. The uproar was so great that not only did they rectify it within a week, they even put in a good sized classic photo section with material from Perry's time in the band and also to a lesser extent the Augeri era.

Oh, please, put it context. Perryheads were complaining about this from the moment the site was launched in the late 90's. That did not change until Arnel was hired and the band started kissing the ass of Perry's fans because they hired a Perry clone, were going retro, rerecording the hits, and were releasing the Revelation package at Wal-Mart. At that point, their attitude changed and things were more welcoming to Perry fans...because they wanted/needed them to listen to Arnel and buy the Revelation package. If people would have compained about missing Perry info too loudly in the old days, they would have been kicked off the website and banned.

Some type of 'uproar' from Perry fans did not change anything. Greed did.

[pinkfloyd1973]

I remember when Journey pulled the same shit with their new website. The uproar was so great that not only did they rectify it within a week, they even put in a good sized classic photo section with material from Perry's time in the band and also to a lesser extent the Augeri era.

Oh, please, put it context. Perryheads were complaining about this from the moment the site was launched in the late 90's. That did not change until Arnel was hired and the band started kissing the ass of Perry's fans because they hired a Perry clone, were going retro, rerecording the hits, and were releasing the Revelation package at Wal-Mart. At that point, their attitude changed and things were more welcoming to Perry fans...because they wanted/needed them to listen to Arnel and buy the Revelation package. If people would have compained about missing Perry info too loudly in the old days, they would have been kicked off the website and banned.

Some type of 'uproar' from Perry fans did not change anything. Greed did.

Sound familiar? The current Styx should take note

[Don]

I remember when Journey pulled the same shit with their new website. The uproar was so great that not only did they rectify it within a week, they even put in a good sized classic photo section with material from Perry's time in the band and also to a lesser extent the Augeri era.

Oh, please, put it context. Perryheads were complaining about this from the moment the site was launched in the late 90's. That did not change until Arnel was hired and the band started kissing the ass of Perry's fans because they hired a Perry clone, were going retro, rerecording the hits, and were releasing the Revelation package at Wal-Mart. At that point, their attitude changed and things were more welcoming to Perry fans...because they wanted/needed them to listen to Arnel and buy the Revelation package. If people would have compained about missing Perry info too loudly in the old days, they would have been kicked off the website and banned.

Some type of 'uproar' from Perry fans did not change anything. Greed did.

I'm talking about the website that they created after the initial Revelation tour when Revelation had already gone platinum. They had a three paragraph bio starting from 2007 when the new site went up. With in a week it went to to two dozen paragraphs. Something happened within those seven days. I call it an uproar - you call it greed, whatever.

[Boomchild]

Go to Amazon.com to look at any Styx album and under their bio is the new revisionist history bio of the band that the band has evidently provided them (same as the website). Truly a shame that anyone wanting to learn about Styx via a major retail site like amazon gets the revisionist history that doesn't mention Dennis at all. Not sure how JY sleeps at night.

While this seems to be silly to not mention Dennis in Styx' bio after all his contributions helped shape what Styx was, does it really matter? I think it's pretty common knowledge that Dennis DeYoung was a major player in Styx.

[Monker]

I remember when Journey pulled the same shit with their new website. The uproar was so great that not only did they rectify it within a week, they even put in a good sized classic photo section with material from Perry's time in the band and also to a lesser extent the Augeri era.

Oh, please, put it context. Perryheads were complaining about this from the moment the site was launched in the late 90's. That did not change until Arnel was hired and the band started kissing the ass of Perry's fans because they hired a Perry clone, were going retro, rerecording the hits, and were releasing the Revelation package at Wal-Mart. At that point, their attitude changed and things were more welcoming to Perry fans...because they wanted/needed them to listen to Arnel and buy the Revelation package. If people would have compained about missing Perry info too loudly in the old days, they would have been kicked off the website and banned.

Some type of 'uproar' from Perry fans did not change anything. Greed did.

Sound familiar? The current Styx should take note

Yes, they should note that when you let in the crazies who only have an interest in the past, do not REALLY care about your future, you end up screwing yourself in the long run. Journey had a hit with Revelation because of the timing of nostalgia for "Don't Stop Believin", tying it to their version of Regeneration, and a DVD, and selling it at a bargain price...and kissing the ass of Perry fans along the way.

But, in the end, that is not what the band wanted musically...they have always wanted to MOVE ON from the 80's sound, move on from the Perry years, move on from the nostalgia. So, they record and release Eclipse...but the nostalgia has ended, many fans who stuck with them through the Augeri years have moved on and just don't care as much, Perry fans don't want an experimental sound, so the album bombed...even though it is BETTER then Revelation.

So, now they are in a WORSE place then they were before. They will never get another Wal-Mart type deal. Their ticket sales the last tour were lower then Reveolation...and will probably be even lower next time. Most of the fans don't care so much, and those that do want the nostalgic sound - which the band wants to move on from. Worst of all the fans who stuck with them through the changes after Perry left have moved on. So, Journey is screwed now - and they did it to themselves.

So, Styx should note that they should continue to do what makes them happy...not what will make the selfish assholes of forums like this happy...even to make a quick buck. Catering to them only makes things a lot worse.

[pinkfloyd1973]

I remember when Journey pulled the same shit with their new website. The uproar was so great that not only did they rectify it within a week, they even put in a good sized classic photo section with material from Perry's time in the band and also to a lesser extent the Augeri era.

Oh, please, put it context. Perryheads were complaining about this from the moment the site was launched in the late 90's. That did not change until Arnel was hired and the band started kissing the ass of Perry's fans because they hired a Perry clone, were going retro, rerecording the hits, and were releasing the Revelation package at Wal-Mart. At that point, their attitude changed and things were more welcoming to Perry fans...because they wanted/needed them to listen to Arnel and buy the Revelation package. If people would have compained about missing Perry info too loudly in the old days, they would have been kicked off the website and banned.

Some type of 'uproar' from Perry fans did not change anything. Greed did.

Sound familiar? The current Styx should take note

Yes, they should note that when you let in the crazies who only have an interest in the past, do not REALLY care about your future, you end up screwing yourself in the long run. Journey had a hit with Revelation because of the timing of nostalgia for "Don't Stop Believin", tying it to their version of Regeneration, and a DVD, and selling it at a bargain price...and kissing the ass of Perry fans along the way.

But, in the end, that is not what the band wanted musically...they have always wanted to MOVE ON from the 80's sound, move on from the Perry years, move on from the nostalgia. So, they record and release Eclipse...but the nostalgia has ended, many fans who stuck with them through the Augeri years have moved on and just don't care as much, Perry fans don't want an experimental sound, so the album bombed...even though it is BETTER then Revelation.

So, now they are in a WORSE place then they were before. They will never get another Wal-Mart type deal. Their ticket sales the last tour were lower then Reveolation...and will probably be even lower next time. Most of the fans don't care so much, and those that do want the nostalgic sound - which the band wants to move on from. Worst of all the fans who stuck with them through the changes after Perry left have moved on. So, Journey is screwed now - and they did it to themselves.

So, Styx should note that they should continue to do what makes them happy...not what will make the selfish assholes of forums like this happy...even to make a quick buck. Catering to them only makes things a lot worse.

Ok let's try this again........Perhaps if the current line-up would quit trying to erase their past and not insult the fans that have been there BEFORE Gowan joined the band, then maybe there wouldn't be such a schism between the past and the present fans. JY and Tommy (and Dennis to a degree) are guilty of dividing the fans by their actions and what they have said in the past.

[Rockwriter]

I remember when Journey pulled the same shit with their new website. The uproar was so great that not only did they rectify it within a week, they even put in a good sized classic photo section with material from Perry's time in the band and also to a lesser extent the Augeri era.

Oh, please, put it context. Perryheads were complaining about this from the moment the site was launched in the late 90's. That did not change until Arnel was hired and the band started kissing the ass of Perry's fans because they hired a Perry clone, were going retro, rerecording the hits, and were releasing the Revelation package at Wal-Mart. At that point, their attitude changed and things were more welcoming to Perry fans...because they wanted/needed them to listen to Arnel and buy the Revelation package. If people would have compained about missing Perry info too loudly in the old days, they would have been kicked off the website and banned.

Some type of 'uproar' from Perry fans did not change anything. Greed did.

Sound familiar? The current Styx should take note

Yes, they should note that when you let in the crazies who only have an interest in the past, do not REALLY care about your future, you end up screwing yourself in the long run. Journey had a hit with Revelation because of the timing of nostalgia for "Don't Stop Believin", tying it to their version of Regeneration, and a DVD, and selling it at a bargain price...and kissing the ass of Perry fans along the way.

But, in the end, that is not what the band wanted musically...they have always wanted to MOVE ON from the 80's sound, move on from the Perry years, move on from the nostalgia. So, they record and release Eclipse...but the nostalgia has ended, many fans who stuck with them through the Augeri years have moved on and just don't care as much, Perry fans don't want an experimental sound, so the album bombed...even though it is BETTER then Revelation.

So, now they are in a WORSE place then they were before. They will never get another Wal-Mart type deal. Their ticket sales the last tour were lower then Reveolation...and will probably be even lower next time. Most of the fans don't care so much, and those that do want the nostalgic sound - which the band wants to move on from. Worst of all the fans who stuck with them through the changes after Perry left have moved on. So, Journey is screwed now - and they did it to themselves.

So, Styx should note that they should continue to do what makes them happy...not what will make the selfish assholes of forums like this happy...even to make a quick buck. Catering to them only makes things a lot worse.

The numbers on all of these bands are going to continue to soften. It's little to do with strategy at this point. At some point fans have seen your whole bag of tricks and just don't care like they once did. I grew up loving Styx, and I like and support the current band and like most of the members of the band . . . but I couldn't force myself to care about seeing them with REO and Nugent this summer if that were the only tour on the road. I think lots of people feel that way. It's human nature. I've already seen this, is there anything else on?

That said, a few years ago Journey and Styx were far more equivalent in the marketplace than they are now. Journey plays its entire bag of hits and has a clone singer. Styx has refused to play a huge chunk of its own hits and has a singer who sounds nothing like the person he replaced. I will always believe that plays a big role in where they are as compared to Journey. Don't forget, in their heyday they actually sold more records. Journey sold most of theirs AFTER the glory years because they had a better plan in place and did not make the terrible, terrible decisions Styx has.


Sterling

[Rockwriter]

I remember when Journey pulled the same shit with their new website. The uproar was so great that not only did they rectify it within a week, they even put in a good sized classic photo section with material from Perry's time in the band and also to a lesser extent the Augeri era.

Oh, please, put it context. Perryheads were complaining about this from the moment the site was launched in the late 90's. That did not change until Arnel was hired and the band started kissing the ass of Perry's fans because they hired a Perry clone, were going retro, rerecording the hits, and were releasing the Revelation package at Wal-Mart. At that point, their attitude changed and things were more welcoming to Perry fans...because they wanted/needed them to listen to Arnel and buy the Revelation package. If people would have compained about missing Perry info too loudly in the old days, they would have been kicked off the website and banned.

Some type of 'uproar' from Perry fans did not change anything. Greed did.

Sound familiar? The current Styx should take note

Yes, they should note that when you let in the crazies who only have an interest in the past, do not REALLY care about your future, you end up screwing yourself in the long run. Journey had a hit with Revelation because of the timing of nostalgia for "Don't Stop Believin", tying it to their version of Regeneration, and a DVD, and selling it at a bargain price...and kissing the ass of Perry fans along the way.

But, in the end, that is not what the band wanted musically...they have always wanted to MOVE ON from the 80's sound, move on from the Perry years, move on from the nostalgia. So, they record and release Eclipse...but the nostalgia has ended, many fans who stuck with them through the Augeri years have moved on and just don't care as much, Perry fans don't want an experimental sound, so the album bombed...even though it is BETTER then Revelation.

So, now they are in a WORSE place then they were before. They will never get another Wal-Mart type deal. Their ticket sales the last tour were lower then Reveolation...and will probably be even lower next time. Most of the fans don't care so much, and those that do want the nostalgic sound - which the band wants to move on from. Worst of all the fans who stuck with them through the changes after Perry left have moved on. So, Journey is screwed now - and they did it to themselves.

So, Styx should note that they should continue to do what makes them happy...not what will make the selfish assholes of forums like this happy...even to make a quick buck. Catering to them only makes things a lot worse.

Ok let's try this again........Perhaps if the current line-up would quit trying to erase their past and not insult the fans that have been there BEFORE Gowan joined the band, then maybe there wouldn't be such a schism between the past and the present fans. JY and Tommy (and Dennis to a degree) are guilty of dividing the fans by their actions and what they have said in the past.

Exactly! Why is this hard to see? Insulting your own customers' past choice to support you is NOT the way to build future repeat business! NOT a hard concept to grasp.

Can anyone name me even ONE other band in history that dropped almost all of its highest-charting songs and then proceeded to disparage them in public? To find fault with its own customer base? To say the customers were actually WRONG?

You know why not? Because IT'S STUPID!!!! BAD business! NOT A GOOD PLAN!

LOL, that just shouldn't be that hard to understand.


Sterling

[gr8dane]

Styx made a move and they stuck with it.
They are doing things they want to do, when they want to.
They are not doing things that some gung-ho Dennis fan wants them to do things.
Dennis fans no matter what,will shit all over Styx for what they have done,will do.
They still get gigs and making a tidy living.They sold 3 pounds of coffee,and their new DVD will make money at the concession stands.
So you read a Styx bio on amazon,and don't see Dennis' name.So if you do not wanna watch Styx because of that????
THEY DON"T GIVE A SHIT.
Bet you the people going to Styx shows do not use amazon for reference.They think,,remember Blue Collar Man?Come Sail Away?Grand Illusion?Renegade?
Lets have a nice night out,and so they do.

[gr8dane]

I remember when Journey pulled the same shit with their new website. The uproar was so great that not only did they rectify it within a week, they even put in a good sized classic photo section with material from Perry's time in the band and also to a lesser extent the Augeri era.

Oh, please, put it context. Perryheads were complaining about this from the moment the site was launched in the late 90's. That did not change until Arnel was hired and the band started kissing the ass of Perry's fans because they hired a Perry clone, were going retro, rerecording the hits, and were releasing the Revelation package at Wal-Mart. At that point, their attitude changed and things were more welcoming to Perry fans...because they wanted/needed them to listen to Arnel and buy the Revelation package. If people would have compained about missing Perry info too loudly in the old days, they would have been kicked off the website and banned.

Some type of 'uproar' from Perry fans did not change anything. Greed did.

Sound familiar? The current Styx should take note

Yes, they should note that when you let in the crazies who only have an interest in the past, do not REALLY care about your future, you end up screwing yourself in the long run. Journey had a hit with Revelation because of the timing of nostalgia for "Don't Stop Believin", tying it to their version of Regeneration, and a DVD, and selling it at a bargain price...and kissing the ass of Perry fans along the way.

But, in the end, that is not what the band wanted musically...they have always wanted to MOVE ON from the 80's sound, move on from the Perry years, move on from the nostalgia. So, they record and release Eclipse...but the nostalgia has ended, many fans who stuck with them through the Augeri years have moved on and just don't care as much, Perry fans don't want an experimental sound, so the album bombed...even though it is BETTER then Revelation.

So, now they are in a WORSE place then they were before. They will never get another Wal-Mart type deal. Their ticket sales the last tour were lower then Reveolation...and will probably be even lower next time. Most of the fans don't care so much, and those that do want the nostalgic sound - which the band wants to move on from. Worst of all the fans who stuck with them through the changes after Perry left have moved on. So, Journey is screwed now - and they did it to themselves.

So, Styx should note that they should continue to do what makes them happy...not what will make the selfish assholes of forums like this happy...even to make a quick buck. Catering to them only makes things a lot worse.

Ok let's try this again........Perhaps if the current line-up would quit trying to erase their past and not insult the fans that have been there BEFORE Gowan joined the band, then maybe there wouldn't be such a schism between the past and the present fans. JY and Tommy (and Dennis to a degree) are guilty of dividing the fans by their actions and what they have said in the past.

Thanks for trying again.
The 10 fans that have been insulted here ,and the (let's be generous here, 30 on amazon,and let's say another 100 on other Styx related forums).
Tommy and JY are not trying to accommodate you.YOU ARE NOT THEIR MARKET.

[pinkfloyd1973]

I remember when Journey pulled the same shit with their new website. The uproar was so great that not only did they rectify it within a week, they even put in a good sized classic photo section with material from Perry's time in the band and also to a lesser extent the Augeri era.

Oh, please, put it context. Perryheads were complaining about this from the moment the site was launched in the late 90's. That did not change until Arnel was hired and the band started kissing the ass of Perry's fans because they hired a Perry clone, were going retro, rerecording the hits, and were releasing the Revelation package at Wal-Mart. At that point, their attitude changed and things were more welcoming to Perry fans...because they wanted/needed them to listen to Arnel and buy the Revelation package. If people would have compained about missing Perry info too loudly in the old days, they would have been kicked off the website and banned.

Some type of 'uproar' from Perry fans did not change anything. Greed did.

Sound familiar? The current Styx should take note

Yes, they should note that when you let in the crazies who only have an interest in the past, do not REALLY care about your future, you end up screwing yourself in the long run. Journey had a hit with Revelation because of the timing of nostalgia for "Don't Stop Believin", tying it to their version of Regeneration, and a DVD, and selling it at a bargain price...and kissing the ass of Perry fans along the way.

But, in the end, that is not what the band wanted musically...they have always wanted to MOVE ON from the 80's sound, move on from the Perry years, move on from the nostalgia. So, they record and release Eclipse...but the nostalgia has ended, many fans who stuck with them through the Augeri years have moved on and just don't care as much, Perry fans don't want an experimental sound, so the album bombed...even though it is BETTER then Revelation.

So, now they are in a WORSE place then they were before. They will never get another Wal-Mart type deal. Their ticket sales the last tour were lower then Reveolation...and will probably be even lower next time. Most of the fans don't care so much, and those that do want the nostalgic sound - which the band wants to move on from. Worst of all the fans who stuck with them through the changes after Perry left have moved on. So, Journey is screwed now - and they did it to themselves.

So, Styx should note that they should continue to do what makes them happy...not what will make the selfish assholes of forums like this happy...even to make a quick buck. Catering to them only makes things a lot worse.

Ok let's try this again........Perhaps if the current line-up would quit trying to erase their past and not insult the fans that have been there BEFORE Gowan joined the band, then maybe there wouldn't be such a schism between the past and the present fans. JY and Tommy (and Dennis to a degree) are guilty of dividing the fans by their actions and what they have said in the past.

Thanks for trying again.
The 10 fans that have been insulted here ,and the (let's be generous here, 30 on amazon,and let's say another 100 on other Styx related forums).
Tommy and JY are not trying to accommodate you.YOU ARE NOT THEIR MARKET.

And it's there you entirely missed the point

[Toph]

Styx made a move and they stuck with it.
They are doing things they want to do, when they want to.
They are not doing things that some gung-ho Dennis fan wants them to do things.
Dennis fans no matter what,will shit all over Styx for what they have done,will do.
They still get gigs and making a tidy living.They sold 3 pounds of coffee,and their new DVD will make money at the concession stands.
So you read a Styx bio on amazon,and don't see Dennis' name.So if you do not wanna watch Styx because of that????
THEY DON"T GIVE A SHIT.
Bet you the people going to Styx shows do not use amazon for reference.They think,,remember Blue Collar Man?Come Sail Away?Grand Illusion?Renegade?
Lets have a nice night out,and so they do.

Wow, you just really don't get it, do you?

What Styx is saying to us "Dennis fans" (you act like we have some disease or something) is this...

"You liked "Babe", "Best of Times", "Mr. Roboto", "Show Me The Way", "Don't Let It End", "Love At First Sight", "Boat On the River", "First Time", "Nothing Ever Goes As Planned", "Rockin The Paradise", etc. etc., we don't care about you or why you started liking us in the first place. In our minds, that music sucks, and you suck too because you like it. We don't want to have anything to do with that music or the fans who got into the band because of those songs...."

[DarrenUK]

They have done Boat On The River in concert ..... they did it in Germany in 2000 when I seen them, as for Babe and First Time I am so happy they dont do those songs live

[gr8dane]

Styx made a move and they stuck with it.
They are doing things they want to do, when they want to.
They are not doing things that some gung-ho Dennis fan wants them to do things.
Dennis fans no matter what,will shit all over Styx for what they have done,will do.
They still get gigs and making a tidy living.They sold 3 pounds of coffee,and their new DVD will make money at the concession stands.
So you read a Styx bio on amazon,and don't see Dennis' name.So if you do not wanna watch Styx because of that????
THEY DON"T GIVE A SHIT.
Bet you the people going to Styx shows do not use amazon for reference.They think,,remember Blue Collar Man?Come Sail Away?Grand Illusion?Renegade?
Lets have a nice night out,and so they do.

Wow, you just really don't get it, do you?

What Styx is saying to us "Dennis fans" (you act like we have some disease or something) is this...

"You liked "Babe", "Best of Times", "Mr. Roboto", "Show Me The Way", "Don't Let It End", "Love At First Sight", "Boat On the River", "First Time", "Nothing Ever Goes As Planned", "Rockin The Paradise", etc. etc., we don't care about you or why you started liking us in the first place. In our minds, that music sucks, and you suck too because you like it. We don't want to have anything to do with that music or the fans who got into the band because of those songs...."

Fine.
I admire they way you guys are grinding your teeth to smithereens over that.

[gr8dane]

I remember when Journey pulled the same shit with their new website. The uproar was so great that not only did they rectify it within a week, they even put in a good sized classic photo section with material from Perry's time in the band and also to a lesser extent the Augeri era.

Oh, please, put it context. Perryheads were complaining about this from the moment the site was launched in the late 90's. That did not change until Arnel was hired and the band started kissing the ass of Perry's fans because they hired a Perry clone, were going retro, rerecording the hits, and were releasing the Revelation package at Wal-Mart. At that point, their attitude changed and things were more welcoming to Perry fans...because they wanted/needed them to listen to Arnel and buy the Revelation package. If people would have compained about missing Perry info too loudly in the old days, they would have been kicked off the website and banned.

Some type of 'uproar' from Perry fans did not change anything. Greed did.

Sound familiar? The current Styx should take note

Yes, they should note that when you let in the crazies who only have an interest in the past, do not REALLY care about your future, you end up screwing yourself in the long run. Journey had a hit with Revelation because of the timing of nostalgia for "Don't Stop Believin", tying it to their version of Regeneration, and a DVD, and selling it at a bargain price...and kissing the ass of Perry fans along the way.

But, in the end, that is not what the band wanted musically...they have always wanted to MOVE ON from the 80's sound, move on from the Perry years, move on from the nostalgia. So, they record and release Eclipse...but the nostalgia has ended, many fans who stuck with them through the Augeri years have moved on and just don't care as much, Perry fans don't want an experimental sound, so the album bombed...even though it is BETTER then Revelation.

So, now they are in a WORSE place then they were before. They will never get another Wal-Mart type deal. Their ticket sales the last tour were lower then Reveolation...and will probably be even lower next time. Most of the fans don't care so much, and those that do want the nostalgic sound - which the band wants to move on from. Worst of all the fans who stuck with them through the changes after Perry left have moved on. So, Journey is screwed now - and they did it to themselves.

So, Styx should note that they should continue to do what makes them happy...not what will make the selfish assholes of forums like this happy...even to make a quick buck. Catering to them only makes things a lot worse.

Ok let's try this again........Perhaps if the current line-up would quit trying to erase their past and not insult the fans that have been there BEFORE Gowan joined the band, then maybe there wouldn't be such a schism between the past and the present fans. JY and Tommy (and Dennis to a degree) are guilty of dividing the fans by their actions and what they have said in the past.

Thanks for trying again.
The 10 fans that have been insulted here ,and the (let's be generous here, 30 on amazon,and let's say another 100 on other Styx related forums).
Tommy and JY are not trying to accommodate you.YOU ARE NOT THEIR MARKET.

And it's there you entirely missed the point

You know me.

[Boomchild]

They have done Boat On The River in concert ..... they did it in Germany in 2000 when I seen them, as for Babe and First Time I am so happy they dont do those songs live

LOL... 2000, really. That's !2 years ago.

[masque]

Styx made a move and they stuck with it.
They are doing things they want to do, when they want to.
They are not doing things that some gung-ho Dennis fan wants them to do things.
Dennis fans no matter what,will shit all over Styx for what they have done,will do.
They still get gigs and making a tidy living.They sold 3 pounds of coffee,and their new DVD will make money at the concession stands.
So you read a Styx bio on amazon,and don't see Dennis' name.So if you do not wanna watch Styx because of that????
THEY DON"T GIVE A SHIT.
Bet you the people going to Styx shows do not use amazon for reference.They think,,remember Blue Collar Man?Come Sail Away?Grand Illusion?Renegade?
Lets have a nice night out,and so they do.

Wow, you just really don't get it, do you?

What Styx is saying to us "Dennis fans" (you act like we have some disease or something) is this...

"You liked "Babe", "Best of Times", "Mr. Roboto", "Show Me The Way", "Don't Let It End", "Love At First Sight", "Boat On the River", "First Time", "Nothing Ever Goes As Planned", "Rockin The Paradise", etc. etc., we don't care about you or why you started liking us in the first place. In our minds, that music sucks, and you suck too because you like it. We don't want to have anything to do with that music or the fans who got into the band because of those songs...."

uh didnt tommy write boat on the river? why woudl you include that in your comment?

[Toph]

Styx made a move and they stuck with it.
They are doing things they want to do, when they want to.
They are not doing things that some gung-ho Dennis fan wants them to do things.
Dennis fans no matter what,will shit all over Styx for what they have done,will do.
They still get gigs and making a tidy living.They sold 3 pounds of coffee,and their new DVD will make money at the concession stands.
So you read a Styx bio on amazon,and don't see Dennis' name.So if you do not wanna watch Styx because of that????
THEY DON"T GIVE A SHIT.
Bet you the people going to Styx shows do not use amazon for reference.They think,,remember Blue Collar Man?Come Sail Away?Grand Illusion?Renegade?
Lets have a nice night out,and so they do.

Wow, you just really don't get it, do you?

What Styx is saying to us "Dennis fans" (you act like we have some disease or something) is this...

"You liked "Babe", "Best of Times", "Mr. Roboto", "Show Me The Way", "Don't Let It End", "Love At First Sight", "Boat On the River", "First Time", "Nothing Ever Goes As Planned", "Rockin The Paradise", etc. etc., we don't care about you or why you started liking us in the first place. In our minds, that music sucks, and you suck too because you like it. We don't want to have anything to do with that music or the fans who got into the band because of those songs...."

uh didnt tommy write boat on the river? why woudl you include that in your comment?

Could have put Haven't We Been Here Before, Just Get Through This Night, Lights, Never Say Never, She Cares, etc. in the list as well. Just because Tommy wrote them, doesn't mean the band isn't dissing them. Remember Tommy himself fully caused HWBHB to not be released as a single and was indirectly involved with BOTR not being released (due to his FT shenanigans). That is the difference in what the band out there purporting themselves to be Styx is saying - Styx is only "Rockers". Which really only covers about 1/4 of their catalog. A lot of people like Styx for their musicianship which is very evident in their later, "lighter" work as well. Again, its about musical maturity. Not everything has to be played fast and loud to be good music. In fact, I'd argue that Styx is better when they don't try to "crank it up". The acoustic/synth songs as well as the acoustic piano type songs are when they are their strongest. My opinion, yes. But one shared by many fans. When you pretend that almost all your top 10 singles don't exist and that your only #1 album doesn't exist and that your four biggest singles of all time don't exist, then you are giving a great big f___ you to the fans who brought you stardom in the first place. That is why a lot of us say F____ you right back to them.

[yogi]

Ballads and techno music doesnt cut it, you need solid hard rockers to sell coffee , jewelry and skate sharpening stones.

[DarrenUK]

A song that makes it in the charts like Babe and Roboto does not mean core Styx fans have to like the song ....... take Aerosmith for example if you were to ask die hard Aerosmith fans do they prefer Dream On or that annoying song from Armageddon I am sure it will be the former ....... I bet the majority of people who bought the single Babe never even went to see them on the Cornerstone tour ....... my auntie bought the song Babe when it was released on a single when it came out but she did not join me at Wembley Arena when they toured the UK for that tour ..... she said why cant all the songs you like be nice like this one and it sat proudly in her record collection next to Barry Manilow and Cliff Richard up until the day she died.

At least slower songs like Pieces Of Eight, Come Sail Away, Queen Of Spades and Suite Madame Blue either progressed into heavier songs or had some oomph, Babe and First Time were just sugary crap songs and Roboto challenges Music Time, She Cares and High Crimes And Misdemeanours for Styx's worst ever moment.

The best Styx songs are the ones that progressed into big finale's like the ones I mentioned along with Man In The Wilderness, Castle Walls, Snowblind etc, straight out heavy songs written by JY did not cut it either I mean Eddie is garbage too and I never liked Miss America, I thought that is vastly overrated, Great White Hope is the best of the JY heavier songs IMO.

[Archetype]

They don't even mention Kilroy Was Here

[brywool]

and "I Got You Babe" will start playing in 3, 2, 1...

[Everett]

They have done Boat On The River in concert ..... they did it in Germany in 2000 when I seen them, as for Babe and First Time I am so happy they dont do those songs live

I saw it live in '09. They recently played boat on the river on the ice skaiting show thing they did a month or so ago.