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Postby Zan » Tue Aug 21, 2012 4:16 pm

...but it wouldn't be nearly enough to give it the attention it deserves.

I want to get the elephant in the room out of the way first. Most of you that have known me from early on, know that shortly after the big split, and after several months of reading absolute tripe from some of the lesser life forms on the forums of old, I was pretty firmly seated on the Styx side of the fence. I could get into the who's and why's, but frankly, it's all subjective and really kind of unimportant now. Most people in which I have responded with my proverbial lashing tongue over the years have absolutely deserved it. However, there are some comments I probably should not have made, either publicly or in private. Call them moments of weakness or bad judgement or whatever. One thing I've come to realize over the years is that just because someone is in the public eye, doesn't make them immune to human feeling or sensitivity, and there are some things I would erase if I could. But since I can't do that, I *can* do the next best thing: Give a thorough and honest review on what I witnessed tonight.

There are many more pros than there are cons, but to be fair, I'll give my entire thoughts. I would like to think that if it were my band, I'd want to hear everything, especially from someone with a more critical POV.

I was looking forward to the show, but I wasn't "stoked" about the show the way I am before a Styx show. I don't know. I knew I'd enjoy it, and I had great seats (3rd row center), but I wasn't gooey about it. That could have to do with the current state of my life - the autistic toddler, behavioral nightmare 5 year old (NOT an exaggeration) starting school, husband changing jobs, band issues, etc. Or maybe I was not sure I'd "love" it.

It is clear (at least to me) that Dennis is passionate about this project. I'm not saying the orchestra show was bad, I'm just saying that this lineup, THIS show, seems to have put the spark back in him. It exudes from him, and I think the band really digs it too. That is a huge plus for any performer.

For the first few songs, I was skeptical, reserved, awkward...It took me a few minutes to get comfortable in the environment. After all, rock show or not, the two bands have an entirely different vibe about them (to give a couple examples - 1. NO ONE stands at these shows. I wanted to stand, but I undoubtedly would have pissed off everyone behind me, and I didn't want that sort of experience. I often felt as though I was watching from a cage because I had to contain myself. 2. Another difference is the texture of Dennis' voice is not only different from Gowan's [which we have argued ad nauseum], it's distinctively different from heyday Dennis' voice. It's richer. Much, much richer. Heavy vibrato. It's been that way for some time, but I'm still not entirely used to it. At times, it seems over-the-top, albeit still great...just...takes some adjustment. 3. Also, for the first couple of songs, his bass player was having sound issues - I think he had a bad cable...the tech kept coming out and screwing with it...loudly. Kinda reminded me of MY band, actually. They're always doing annoying crap like that. lol). However, it wasn't long before I was submerged in the music and full of nostalgia. I was thirteen again. And it was really, really great, despite the awkward sitting thing.

Jimmy and August are top shelf. TOP shelf. Very impressive. August nailed Blue Collar Man, and the solos were indescribable. Just great.

The whole band is TIGHT. BOOM! Punch. Bam. They are either the best musicians in the world, or they really like the music they're playing. They nailed everything.

The rest of the evening was a cake walk for me...Mr. Roboto by itself was worth the $250 I paid for my and my husband's tickets, but then "Born for Adventure" was just...AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! Can't describe it. Fucking incredible. Even my husband's mouth was agape, and he isn't even familiar with the song.

Dennis did a MONSTER keyboard solo during "Fooling Yourself" that practically stopped your heart. It was the best keyboard solo I think I've ever heard him do. he destroyed it. Seriously. It was almost not human. I was smiling ear-to-ear and thinking, I am so happy he got his chops back. (For a long time, I know Dennis was focusing heavily on the "show" and "voice" aspect of his performances, and was letting someone else do the bulk of the synths. A few years ago, I think he went back to his roots and got his mad skills back.) Anyway, it was spectacular. I was all jazzed. The only real bummer of the night for me was what followed this tremendous, mind-shattering solo: August says "Dennis DeYoung on keyboards!" (crowd goes nuts) Then he yells "ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTES!"

Groan. Really? A cheap jab after THAT AMAZING THING I JUST WITNESSED? blech. Oh well. Thankfully, it was the one and only one of the night. I'll be ok. lol (Trust me when I say that UNDERSTAND the sentiment behind it...I honestly do...but from a strictly neutral standpoint, the comment takes away from the solo, it doesn't add to it.)

By the way, my husband made a funny comment in the car on the way home about that jab...He said he didn't think about Gowan so much as found it peculiar that the substitute was screaming for us to accept no substitutes. A little ironic...doncha think?

Anyhoo...

The best thing of all, aside from seeing DDY and his band having FUN, was the stuff that i DON'T hear when I go to a Styx show:

Acoustic "Don't Let it End"
Show Me the Way (which always makes me teary - and they do this beautifully)
Mr. Roboto (guiltiest pleasure on earth - that song is just awesome. the world can KMA)
Born for Adventure
Suite Madame Blue

I birdie told me that they were playing some other chestnuts during soundcheck...but aren't 100% ready to play them out...so be prepared, folks.

Would have loved to hear "Castle Walls," but I won't complain too much.

And apparently, the DeYoungs have been married as long as I've been alive. So now I will always be able to remember how many years they are married when I'm not at a show :-D

Here are the differences between Dennis' show and Styx' show from what I have observed:

Styx is much more crowd interactive and even still - more energetic (they truly are on "11"). I sometimes joke and compare it to a Rocky Horror show...same show, different experience every time.
Dennis' show is much more about the finer details of the songs. They have a slightly more "authentic" like-how-I-remember-it-in-my-timeless-mind sound (please don't make this into a Gowan slam-fest. It's not really that so much- just the "sound of everything," if that makes any sense.)

Styx's shows are a big, giant, fun release. Dennis' shows are more introspective and nostalgic. Both are pretty magical, on different levels.

After that, I don't see much else that sets them apart. They're both great experiences, and I'd recommend seeing both of them in a heartbeat.

Now, what could possibly be better than everything I already mentioned? I commented about wincing at the little "dig." Because sometimes it's the smaller pieces that leave the biggest impressions. The BEST part of the night for me was shortly before the show came to a close, Dennis thanked every person in the room for "ponying up" their hard-earned money to come out and see his show during these tough economic times. I never would have given it a second thought had he not mentioned it, but since he DID mention it, I was really impressed...To hear a performer make that kind of acknowledgement. It felt good.

Oh, and of course the photo I got. That was cool too :-D
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Postby Ash » Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:06 pm

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I really want to see this show. After hearing you describe Jimmy and August, it's even worse. I've not seen him since he started doing these shows. I don't know that it'll happen if I'm being honest given the state of life... but it'd be great.

I'm glad you had a good time. I saw some of the vids on FB... He does look younger actually than I remember. Glad you were able to go back to 13 again.

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Postby bugsymalone » Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:16 am

Ha! :D Big ups to your positive, and honest, review, Zan. Glad you two could go and have a great time.

"Dennis' show is much more about the finer details of the songs."


I think this is so true, and one of the things I love about his perfectionism. I LOVE the music and his voice and that attention to detail is what makes seeing him live so rewarding.

Looks like a good time was had by all.

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Postby Zan » Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:32 am

*Forgot to add:

Rockin' the Paradise & Best of Times, into AD 1958 - which was really as moving as it was the first time I heard it.

Oh! The lighting was EXCELLENT. In fact, it didn't even occur to me that Matt was running lights until hours after I left the show, but the whole time, I kept thinking that they were really well done.
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Postby kansas666 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:57 am

Thanks for the review Zan. Some of my harshest criticism of Denny has been his sub-par backing band and lack of keyboard playing. I may just have to check him out again. I have seen the symphony show once and his rock show once (with Glen on guitar).

If they are still playing Prelude 12 I might even travel to see the show.
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Postby Zan » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:14 am

kansas666 wrote:Thanks for the review Zan. Some of my harshest criticism of Denny has been his sub-par backing band and lack of keyboard playing. I may just have to check him out again. I have seen the symphony show once and his rock show once (with Glen on guitar).

If they are still playing Prelude 12 I might even travel to see the show.



I'll pretend you didn't use "sub-par" and "Glen" in the same paragraph. :shock:

This band is far from substandard, I'll say that much.

No Prelude 12, but the keyboard solo had a snippet of Sing For the Day in it, and they play "The Message" as well.

There are plenty moments of sheer kickassery all over the show. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
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Postby Everett » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:49 am

I grined from ear to ear when I heard august say that last month. "Accept no subsitutes" so says the
subsitute ahh irony. Thanks for the review zan.
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Postby masque » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:52 am

so what are the rumored "nuggets" they were working during soundcheck?
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Postby yogi » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:58 am

Since I was 15 years old I have ALWAYS felt that Midnight Ride, Born For Adventure & Suite Madame Blue were the 3 best songs ever recorded in a row. The BEST side 2 of an album ever!!! All 3 songs are monsters!!! As great as Suite Madame Blue was, no song was better or fresher than Born For Adventure!!!
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Postby cittadeeno23 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:04 am

Thanks Zan.
That's funny. When I saw them last year in Anaheim we stood the entire show. So did the first 10 rows. I guess every venue is different.
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Postby Zan » Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:07 am

masque wrote:so what are the rumored "nuggets" they were working during soundcheck?



Since I didn't hear it with my own ears, and my friend was invited in on confidence, I'm going to be courteous and refrain from spilling that can of beans. I will say, however, that at least one of them will surprise the hell out of you.
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Postby gr8dane » Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:14 am

Everett wrote:I grined from ear to ear when I heard august say that last month. "Accept no subsitutes" so says the
subsitute ahh irony. Thanks for the review zan.


Ha ha .,yes indeed.If Dennis made it back to Styx,August would be back in the cover band he was in before,
or what ever he did.Guess it's double irony then.
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Postby Zan » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:39 am

I really was trying not to make that the focal point of the discussion. The only reason I brought it up at all was because I know that it means a lot to Dennis that his show is as spectacular as it can be - and for me, that comment makes a blemish. Not a big deal, all told, but honestly, if they were to take it out of the script, would it make his solo any LESS awesome? Hell no. In fact, the solo should speak for itself. It's not necessary to say it at all.
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Postby pinkfloyd1973 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:22 pm

Zan wrote:
masque wrote:so what are the rumored "nuggets" they were working during soundcheck?



Since I didn't hear it with my own ears, and my friend was invited in on confidence, I'm going to be courteous and refrain from spilling that can of beans. I will say, however, that at least one of them will surprise the hell out of you.




Solo or deep cut?
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Postby Boomchild » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:35 pm

gr8dane wrote:
Everett wrote:I grined from ear to ear when I heard august say that last month. "Accept no subsitutes" so says the
subsitute ahh irony. Thanks for the review zan.


Ha ha .,yes indeed.If Dennis made it back to Styx,August would be back in the cover band he was in before,
or what ever he did.Guess it's double irony then.


And Gowan would go back to playing solo gigs in Canada with no one in the U.S. knowing who he is with the exception of Styx groupies. 8) Besides Dennis' shows are about Dennis DeYoung not August. Even so, I think August wouldn't be just as happy with the opportunity of the time he had sharing the stage with a legend.
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Re: I wanted to post a few words about the DDY show tonight.

Postby Boomchild » Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:39 pm

Zan wrote:Acoustic "Don't Let it End"


Curious what you thought of the acoustic version of this song? I thought that it was very good and put a different spin to the song.
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Postby SuiteMadameBlue » Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:00 pm

kansas666 wrote:Thanks for the review Zan. Some of my harshest criticism of Denny has been his sub-par backing band and lack of keyboard playing. I may just have to check him out again. I have seen the symphony show once and his rock show once (with Glen on guitar).

If they are still playing Prelude 12 I might even travel to see the show.


The last couple of DDY shows they did play Prelude 12 and DDY would tell stories about JC and how Prelude 12 came about.

I think you'll enjoy his latest rock shows, if you gave him a chance. If you ever go, just listen to the music and don't worry about anything else.
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Postby SuiteMadameBlue » Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:03 pm

Zan wrote:
kansas666 wrote:Thanks for the review Zan. Some of my harshest criticism of Denny has been his sub-par backing band and lack of keyboard playing. I may just have to check him out again. I have seen the symphony show once and his rock show once (with Glen on guitar).

If they are still playing Prelude 12 I might even travel to see the show.



I'll pretend you didn't use "sub-par" and "Glen" in the same paragraph. :shock:

This band is far from substandard, I'll say that much.

No Prelude 12, but the keyboard solo had a snippet of Sing For the Day in it, and they play "The Message" as well.

There are plenty moments of sheer kickassery all over the show. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.


Thanks for the review :) I LOVED the snippet of "Sing for the Day", I wanted to hear more!!!
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Postby SuiteMadameBlue » Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:06 pm

cittadeeno23 wrote:Thanks Zan.
That's funny. When I saw them last year in Anaheim we stood the entire show. So did the first 10 rows. I guess every venue is different.


Yes every venue and crowd is completely different.

It depends where he plays. Usually if it's a theater, members get the first crack of seats and they usually don't know the musician, they sit. At most of the outdoor venues and places like HOB, we're all standing throughout the whole show.
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Postby Ash » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:43 pm

Ok. We need a damn road trip. Seriously. Suite - set it up!
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Postby Ash » Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:45 pm

West Memphis Ar.... that's about 3.5 hours from me... given the place is a bit of a hole in zeeee wall :)

Ah! Still need a road trip! Anyone have thoughts?
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Postby Abitaman » Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:21 pm

Is he coming to Nashville anytime soon?
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Postby Zan » Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:23 pm

Boomchild wrote:
gr8dane wrote:
Everett wrote:I grined from ear to ear when I heard august say that last month. "Accept no subsitutes" so says the
subsitute ahh irony. Thanks for the review zan.


Ha ha .,yes indeed.If Dennis made it back to Styx,August would be back in the cover band he was in before,
or what ever he did.Guess it's double irony then.


And Gowan would go back to playing solo gigs in Canada with no one in the U.S. knowing who he is with the exception of Styx groupies. 8) Besides Dennis' shows are about Dennis DeYoung not August. Even so, I think August wouldn't be just as happy with the opportunity of the time he had sharing the stage with a legend.




I am positive that a musician of August's calibre wouldn't be playing in a tribute band, unless it was one similar to The Orchestra, like what Glen does. I can absolutely see him touring with TSO or something like that. I think that's where DDY's drummer is from too. The point was, it's a petty thing to say, especially coming from a substitute...but really, coming from anyone. Dennis really has nothing to prove, but if he did, that solo alone would have proven it. You needn't say more.



Boomchild wrote:Curious what you thought of the acoustic version of this song? I thought that it was very good and put a different spin to the song.



Loved it. I like when any performer changes arrangements. With a few exceptions, of course (Madonna's "American Pie" comes to mind). I've always liked the song, and I thought they did a good job with it.
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Postby yogi » Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:32 pm

Dennis is coming to Texas toward the end of the year. The show in Texas is with an orchestra. Besides the orchestra( which I have seen him do) will this show be fairly similar to the show Zan just reviewed?

We are planning on going but if he does NOT play Born For Adventure I will be seriously bummed out.
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Postby Zan » Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:38 pm

Did I mention Mr. Roboto? lol

I'm sorry, but that's just a cool song. The haters can bite me.

Hubby, who BTW had never heard ANY Styx song except Roboto in his life before he met me, said to me yesterday (full day later), "I didn't remember Mr. Roboto being such a good song. It was actually kinda rockin'. I was impressed."

Just goes to further proves that I am right. I've always maintained that there are two kinds of people in this world: Ones who love Styx and ones who aren't familiar enough with them yet.

Seriously though, if I HAD TO choose a "best" song of the night, it would be "Born For Adventure." It positively slammed. The riverdancy melody in the middle, the edgy rock (TSO-like) sound, the harmony...just everything. They knocked it out of the park.

I forget which song they were playing at the time, but at some point during the show, I turned to Paul and said "I love Styx."

He just said "really?"

Yes, really. I really, really do.
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Postby Babyblue » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:00 am

Everett wrote:I grined from ear to ear when I heard august say that last month. "Accept no subsitutes" so says the
subsitute ahh irony. Thanks for the review zan.


Enjoyed the review of the show.I did not care for the remark that was made.But whatever! I would love to see DDY and his band.As for Styx will be seeing them again in Nov.
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Postby StyxCollector » Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:36 am

Glad you enjoyed it, Zan. I'm looking forward to seeing the "new" orchestral show with this band having seen it a few times with the old one. He does them very rarely these days since he's back on the rock kick.

If the riverdance thing was Shipping Up to Boston, they first did that up here in Lowell about a month ago.

Jimmy does usually play Prelude 12 before SMB. Surprised you didn't get it at your show. He does it very well.

The one nice thing about DDY over the years is he's swapped out some deeper cuts. BFA I'm sure will go at some point, just like "Castle Walls" was a staple for awhile. If one of those songs you heard is what I think it is (was talking with August a little while back), I'll be a happy camper.

I think you nailed the two audiences, although in most DDY shows I've seen they're up by the end - just not the bulk of the show. I can see that driving some of the fans of current Styx nuts. I've said it before - we're lucky to be able to see them in any form, let alone two. There were no guarantees that 1996 would happen (or anything after).
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Postby StyxCollector » Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:55 am

Babyblue wrote:
Everett wrote:I grined from ear to ear when I heard august say that last month. "Accept no subsitutes" so says the
subsitute ahh irony. Thanks for the review zan.


Enjoyed the review of the show.I did not care for the remark that was made.But whatever! I would love to see DDY and his band.As for Styx will be seeing them again in Nov.


August probably said it spur of the moment. Having seen the lineup a few times, I don't remember it being said (but it could have been). I can tell you from knowing August a little, I highly doubt there was any malice involved towards Gowan, especially considering DDY has John back there already playing keys. He'd be insulting John more IMO.
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Postby Babyblue » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:20 am

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Everett wrote:I grined from ear to ear when I heard august say that last month. "Accept no subsitutes" so says the
subsitute ahh irony. Thanks for the review zan.


Enjoyed the review of the show.I did not care for the remark that was made.But whatever! I would love to see DDY and his band.As for Styx will be seeing them again in Nov.


August probably said it spur of the moment. Having seen the lineup a few times, I don't remember it being said (but it could have been). I can tell you from knowing August a little, I highly doubt there was any malice involved towards Gowan, especially considering DDY has John back there already playing keys. He'd be insulting John more IMO.



You may be very right about that.I do hope they come close by me.I would go just to see DDY & band. :wink: Loved his voice :wink:
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Postby Zan » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:56 am

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Babyblue wrote:
Everett wrote:I grined from ear to ear when I heard august say that last month. "Accept no subsitutes" so says the
subsitute ahh irony. Thanks for the review zan.


Enjoyed the review of the show.I did not care for the remark that was made.But whatever! I would love to see DDY and his band.As for Styx will be seeing them again in Nov.


August probably said it spur of the moment. Having seen the lineup a few times, I don't remember it being said (but it could have been). I can tell you from knowing August a little, I highly doubt there was any malice involved towards Gowan, especially considering DDY has John back there already playing keys. He'd be insulting John more IMO.



Everett said he heard it last month at the show he saw. I think it's a regular part of the script.
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