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Postby slucero » Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:45 am

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Postby YoungJRNY » Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:54 pm

Pretty bad Steelers team all around right now other than QB & TE. The defense has givin' up the lead atleast from 7-10 points in the 4th QRT in every loss.

Blocked punt, dropped interceptions, injuries. Pouncey's out with an MCL sprain. Starting RT Gilbert out. Mendenhall with Achilles. That will take months to heal. His backup Redman with a knee. We had a 7th round draft pick sharing carries. Will Allen injured at S filling in for Troy & Mundy. Total nightmare of a season but the beat goes on. Expectations are now lowered. 0-3 on the road, all to AFC teams, losing to Oakland and Tennessee. Stick a fork in 'em if they don't turn it around VERY, VERY QUICKLY. New season next week has to be the mentality. 0-0, AFC North match-up. Must win.
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Postby Enigma869 » Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:47 pm

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Postby No Surprize » Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:02 pm

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Steelers by 17 John? Gimme another one, like NE by 14 over the Seachickens?


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Postby mikemarrs » Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:35 pm

Well i definitely didn't see that coming.Now at 2-4 after playing the Patriots,Chargers,Texans,Steelers,Lions and Vikings the roughest part of Tennessee's schedule is over.No team through six games played a harder schedule than Tennessee.That early schedule was brutal but maybe with Buffalo,Indy,Jax coming up we can reel off some victories.
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Postby Enigma869 » Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:51 pm

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Steelers by 17 John? Gimme another one, like NE by 14 over the Seachickens?



What can I tell you? This is the NFL. You probably wouldn't find 5 Titan fans who picked the Steelers to lose this game. This is actually a HUGE loss for the Steelers. Unlike the Patriots, the Steelers are actually in a tough division, so they're probably going to have to sweep Baltimore (not likely). Good for the Titans for showing up to play, but I definitely didn't see this coming.

As for the Patriots game, coming into this season, I saw the Patriots losing this game. After getting a quarter of the way through the season, I'm picking the Patriots. The Seahawks certainly could win, but it would have to be on defense, as they have ZERO chance of being able to score enough to keep up with the Patriots offense. I suspect that it will be a close game, but I like the Patriots by a TD.
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Postby Enigma869 » Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:59 pm

Lawrence Taylor (for you younger fans...he was Ray Lewis...and better, long before Ray Lewis) saying that Tim Tebow needs to get laid :shock: :shock: :shock:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VCsJ930sjY&sns=fb
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Postby Jonny B » Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:06 am

I thought Matt Hasselbeck had a shot, but the question was would the cast around him let him down. Chris Johnson ran good enough, the receiving corp dropped a lot of balls but did enough to pull through. They got a timely blocked punt, and the Steelers didn't have Troy Polamalu in the lineup.

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Postby Liam » Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:29 am

Enigma869 wrote:Lawrence Taylor (for you younger fans...he was Ray Lewis...and better, long before Ray Lewis) saying that Tim Tebow needs to get laid :shock: :shock: :shock:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VCsJ930sjY&sns=fb


LMMFAO....LT's STILL awesome.
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Postby No Surprize » Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:46 am

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No Surprize wrote:
Steelers by 17 John? Gimme another one, like NE by 14 over the Seachickens?



What can I tell you? This is the NFL. You probably wouldn't find 5 Titan fans who picked the Steelers to lose this game. This is actually a HUGE loss for the Steelers. Unlike the Patriots, the Steelers are actually in a tough division, so they're probably going to have to sweep Baltimore (not likely). Good for the Titans for showing up to play, but I definitely didn't see this coming.

As for the Patriots game, coming into this season, I saw the Patriots losing this game. After getting a quarter of the way through the season, I'm picking the Patriots. The Seahawks certainly could win, but it would have to be on defense, as they have ZERO chance of being able to score enough to keep up with the Patriots offense. I suspect that it will be a close game, but I like the Patriots by a TD.



Seachickens by 3. I think the chicken's secondary is tough, maybe the best in football. Their defensive front gets after the qb and at playing at home, they'll

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Postby Enigma869 » Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:01 am

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Seachickens by 3. I think the chicken's secondary is tough, maybe the best in football. Their defensive front gets after the qb and at playing at home, they'll

make life miserable for Tommie boy all game long.


You heard it here first. Patriots win and Matt Flynn becomes the new, starting QB for the Seahawks next week!
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Postby Liam » Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:09 am

I'm takin' Pats by 14.

And I agree that Flynn will be starter next week.
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Postby Liam » Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:12 am

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Postby YoungJRNY » Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:47 am

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No Surprize wrote:
Steelers by 17 John? Gimme another one, like NE by 14 over the Seachickens?



What can I tell you? This is the NFL. You probably wouldn't find 5 Titan fans who picked the Steelers to lose this game. This is actually a HUGE loss for the Steelers. Unlike the Patriots, the Steelers are actually in a tough division, so they're probably going to have to sweep Baltimore (not likely). Good for the Titans for showing up to play, but I definitely didn't see this coming.

As for the Patriots game, coming into this season, I saw the Patriots losing this game. After getting a quarter of the way through the season, I'm picking the Patriots. The Seahawks certainly could win, but it would have to be on defense, as they have ZERO chance of being able to score enough to keep up with the Patriots offense. I suspect that it will be a close game, but I like the Patriots by a TD.


I saw it coming. It was the first thing I told mikemarrs how I expect the Titans to be jacked up and how the Steelers lost their touch away from Heinz. I've watched this Steelers team long enough to know that when things aren't clicking on all cylinders, they are very capable of being the flattest team in the NFL against pure BAD teams. This season, thus far, is going the exact way the 2009 season went. With Polamalu out of the lineup and with Ben putting up BIG numbers only to see the defense give up every lead in the 4th QRT. It's pretty much a mirror image of 2009. I won't be surprised to see them beat the Ravens, Giants or Cowboys and lay an egg against the Browns.

You're right. The Steelers must sweep the AFC NORTH to have a shot at the division. If not, I believe 9 wins can command the 6th seed, which will be between the Chargers, Broncos, Bengals and Steelers in the end.
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Postby Enigma869 » Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:11 am

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I saw it coming.


Clearly not, given you picked the Steelers to win the game! Also, save the Polamalu excuse. I'm the biggest Troy fan on the planet. That said, the guy is done. He simply isn't close to the player he once was. I think the Steelers are better off having a guy back there who isn't constantly out of position like Troy often is. Sure, you lose some of that instinctive big-play making ability that Troy once had. That said, you also don't give up as many big plays.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:23 am

I picked them to win because it was a game they were supposed to win and should of won if they wanted to break out of a funk on the road. As you said, not even 5 Titans fans had them winning this game but I expected it to be a close affair:

I expect the Titans to be "up" for this game. They are on a terrible skid and the Steelers come in town. A bad team like the Titans playing at home with the Steelers coming in always fires up the players to beat Pittsburgh. I've seen it over and over with teams getting fired up to play Pittsburgh and the Steelers come out flat because of that recognition of being the Steelers. I expect Tennessee to come out fired up, at home, desperate for a win. The Steelers should murder, but they rarely beat a team by a wide margin that they should.


Not sold the Steelers can beat anybody convincingly, let alone a bad team on the road by more than 10 points.


That was my reply to mikemarrs last week about this game & my quick prediction. I didn't expect the Steelers to dominate whatsoever and it took all but 1 play for our starting center to go down. It snowballed from there.

Not sure about the injuries yet, but I expect to be without Troy, Woodley, Pouncey, Mendenhall and maybe Gilbert again @ Cincy next week. Until they can show ANYTHING in people's stadiums, Bengals by 13.
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Postby Enigma869 » Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:55 am

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Not sure about the injuries yet, but I expect to be without Troy, Woodley, Pouncey, Mendenhall and maybe Gilbert again @ Cincy next week. Until they can show ANYTHING in people's stadiums, Bengals by 13.


You're fucking nuts, kid. You're on Facebook posting how great the Steelers and Ben are every 8 seconds, and now you have the Bungles beating them by two TD's? Make up your mind. I'm an outsider looking in when it comes to the Steelers, so am a bit more objective and logical about my picks. If the Steelers don't beat the Bengals next week, their season is OVER! No way they're going to 2-4 and being taken seriously by anyone. The truth of the matter is the Steelers got smoked by Denver (who the Patriots easily handled), and they just lost to the Titans (who the Patriots beat by three TD's), so perhaps this Steelers team isn't as good as I thought they might be. I certainly thought coming into this season that it could possibly be a down season for them but I still thought they would sneak into a 6 seed in the playoffs. I'm not close to being convinced of that now. As I said, if they lose to Cincy, they're done!
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Postby Liam » Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:07 am

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My boy's STILL up there. :)
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:13 am

You're fucking nuts, kid. You're on Facebook posting how great the Steelers and Ben are every 8 seconds, and now you have the Bungles beating them by two TD's? Make up your mind.

I post about the Steelers because I admire them. I'm a diehard fan and everyone knows it. I can love the Steelers and pick against them at the same time. Just because I post Roethlisberger's stats means I have to think they will beat the Bengals? The Steelers could go 2-14 and I'd still post Steelers news, stats, articles, etc. It's a guarantee and has nothing to do with how I view next weeks matchups. It's called being a fan (Pats fans still rank the worst so I don't expect you to understand. :lol: )

The Steelers still have a shot givin' they didn't play any division games, but that changes next week. A must win. I didn't like the feeling going into Oakland and I was uneasy about going to Tennessee but those are games you are expected to win. I pretty much tell it like it is and right now, even though the Steelers are in these games, they are finding ways to lose just like bad teams do and they lack in depth to build chemistry at the moment.

They must find a way to win on the road and going into Cincinnati isn't going to be easy. I like the Bengals in this one. If the Steelers lose, they'll practically be hanging on by a pube all season whilst losing the first tiebreakers in the end for a 6th seed.

And I don't buy into other matchups and who beat who at a givin' time. Each week is different and each week opposes different threats to different kinds of teams and game- plans. Arizona whooped on New England and Arizona got beatdown by the Rams. Does that mean the Rams are a better team than the Pats? No.

The Ravens scored 30 points against the Pats and beat them, but yet, barely escaped in Kansas City by 3 points with Brady fucking Quinn at QB so I guess the Chiefs are on the Pats level. It's an absurd observation on looking at things from a certain perspective.

That said, I agree with your post. I already said that the Steelers need to sweep the AFC NORTH to have a home playoff game and that means beating Cincy. Right now, judging by being "objective" it's obvious Pittsburgh can't play on the road so until they can show me, what reasons are there for me to pick the Steelers over the Bengals on the road? I'm being as objective as it gets. As always.
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Postby Enigma869 » Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:18 am

YoungJRNY wrote:Arizona whooped on New England and Arizona got beatdown by the Rams.



Hmmm. Funny, not how I remembered that game at all. In fact, as I recall the game, the Patriots missed a game winning FG at the end and lost the game 20-18 (hardly a whooping).
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:28 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:Arizona whooped on New England and Arizona got beatdown by the Rams.



Hmmm. Funny, not how I remembered that game at all. In fact, as I recall the game, the Patriots missed a game winning FG at the end and lost the game 20-18 (hardly a whooping).


Then I find it hilarious too by your comment about the Steelers being "smoked" by Denver when the Steelers had the lead in the 4th QRT and tripled them in T.O.P. Before Ben's pick 6, the Steelers were on the game-wining drive! (Score was 25-19 at that moment.) Hardly a whooping.

That Cardinals defense made a prolific offense like the Patriots that's use to scoring 35+ points a game to 18 points in a place where New England never loses. The Cards beat the Pats and the Rams beat the Cards so the Rams are better than the Pats. Your logic, not mine. The Steelers missed the same GW field goal against the Titans as the Pats did the Cards. It's still a "L"!

Why can't we agree that the NFL presents a different set of matchups on a week to week basis and every game is approached differently by the coaching staff? You just want to argue and be difficult in true JFB form. :lol:
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Postby Enigma869 » Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:47 am

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Then I find it hilarious too by your comment about the Steelers being "smoked" by Denver when the Steelers had the lead in the 4th QRT and tripled them in T.O.P. Before Ben's pick 6, the Steelers were on the game-wining drive! (Score was 25-19 at that moment.) Hardly a whooping.

That Cardinals defense made a prolific offense like the Patriots that's use to scoring 35+ points a game to 18 points in a place where New England never loses. The Cards beat the Pats and the Rams beat the Cards so the Rams are better than the Pats. Your logic, not mine. The Steelers missed the same GW field goal against the Titans as the Pats did the Cards. It's still a "L"!

Why can't we agree that the NFL presents a different set of matchups on a week to week basis and every game is approached differently by the coaching staff? You just want to argue and be difficult in true JFB form. :lol:


Just so I'm clear, I never once suggested that the Patriots were a better team because they beat two teams the Steelers lost to! I know how the NFL works, kid. I've been following the league longer than you've been alive. I would welcome the opportunity for the Patriots to play the Steelers in the playoffs.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:20 am

I'm glad that we have come to the conclusion that you have exited the vajay way, way long before me. Now that we've got that out of the way, you just compared the Steelers losing woes to the teams New England beat and "easily handled" and "beat by 3 touchdowns" when that has absolutley nothing to do with anything we were talking about. You don't have to bring up New England's accomplishments against the teams the Steelers lost to (who the Pats beat, I get it) because that comparison doesn't need to be made to open up everybody's eyes that the Steelers aren't a good football team right now. Deep down and in your homer way, you're making sure the Pats get the accolades by beating those teams when "Shitsburgh sucks." In a way, you're right.

As for the Pats/Steelers match-up, right now it doesn't look like it will happen. The Steelers are 0-3 against AFC opponents. That hurts them in tiebreakers at the end of the year for a spot.
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Postby Enigma869 » Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:28 am

YoungJRNY wrote:I'm glad that we have come to the conclusion that you have exited the vajay way, way long before me. Now that we've got that out of the way, you just compared the Steelers losing woes to the teams New England beat and "easily handled" and "beat by 3 touchdowns" when that has absolutley nothing to do with anything we were talking about. You don't have to bring up New England's accomplishments against the teams the Steelers lost to (who the Pats beat, I get it) because that comparison doesn't need to be made to open up everybody's eyes that the Steelers aren't a good football team right now. Deep down and in your homer way, you're making sure the Pats get the accolades by beating those teams when "Shitsburgh sucks." In a way, you're right.

As for the Pats/Steelers match-up, right now it doesn't look like it will happen. The Steelers are 0-3 against AFC opponents. That hurts them in tiebreakers at the end of the year for a spot.


Dude...man up and stop whining. First off, you don't know me, even a little, if you seriously think I want the Patriots to get "accolades". Look at your posts on this forum about the Steelers versus mine about the Patriots and you tell me who the "homer" is. Not even close, kid! I very rarely post specifically about the Patriots. I see 10 posts daily from you about the Steelers. Mind you, I'm not criticizing you for it, because I get that you're a fan. I'm merely pointing out that you calling me a "homer" is fucking HILARIOUS! You're the last person on the planet who should ever refer to anyone as a homer!
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Postby Liam » Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:09 am

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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:41 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:I'm glad that we have come to the conclusion that you have exited the vajay way, way long before me. Now that we've got that out of the way, you just compared the Steelers losing woes to the teams New England beat and "easily handled" and "beat by 3 touchdowns" when that has absolutley nothing to do with anything we were talking about. You don't have to bring up New England's accomplishments against the teams the Steelers lost to (who the Pats beat, I get it) because that comparison doesn't need to be made to open up everybody's eyes that the Steelers aren't a good football team right now. Deep down and in your homer way, you're making sure the Pats get the accolades by beating those teams when "Shitsburgh sucks." In a way, you're right.

As for the Pats/Steelers match-up, right now it doesn't look like it will happen. The Steelers are 0-3 against AFC opponents. That hurts them in tiebreakers at the end of the year for a spot.


Dude...man up and stop whining. First off, you don't know me, even a little, if you seriously think I want the Patriots to get "accolades". Look at your posts on this forum about the Steelers versus mine about the Patriots and you tell me who the "homer" is. Not even close, kid! I very rarely post specifically about the Patriots. I see 10 posts daily from you about the Steelers. Mind you, I'm not criticizing you for it, because I get that you're a fan. I'm merely pointing out that you calling me a "homer" is fucking HILARIOUS! You're the last person on the planet who should ever refer to anyone as a homer!


LOL, I'm whining but you're getting defensive. :lol: I bring up related Steelers issues here because half of this forum is AFC NORTH fans so it WILL be brought up. Plus, I'm a Steelers fan so most of my .2cents will involve what I think about the team and they were the featured Thursday Night game of the week. I won't speak a word of the Steelers come Sunday because I'm just as big of a NFL fan.

I, however, think Roethlisbrerger NEVER gets his due and is one of the best football players in the league so I'll throw in a stat to show how good Ben is and watch people bend the story :lol:

You jump in on practically every "Steelers related" topic there is because you can't help yourself so you're half of the blame as to why Steelers topics continue on because I'll reply to everything.

Just like on my Facebook, when Mendenhall was looking good last week against the Eagles, all I said was that it was good to see Mendenhall bring the explosiveness back to the Steelers offense. You couldn't help but to reply about how average and "inconsistent" Mendenhall has been in his career.

After I showed you the facts and stats that supported that he was indeed consistent, you then churned the direction of the argument in your favor by trying to bring up points that wasn't even being talked about like how his 65 yards per game average isn't the "elite player" I thought he was, even though I never said he was elite.

I said he brought the explosiveness that Redman didn't bring but judging by your argument, you'd think my original post said "Look at Mendenhall! He's so elite and the best RB in the NFL!" You twist and argue about things that aren't being debated.

You're the best politician on here :lol: Everybody has a homer in them, including you. You think that Boston is absolutley the greatest area in all the United States and speak highly of Boston's entire accomplishments from the Celtics, Pats, Bruins and Red Sox & posted articles about how Robert Kraft is God and how Bill Beillicheat's name should be put on the Lombardi trophy :shock: I'll never forget your comment when Brady came back that next season after sitting out with his knee "Order is restored in the NFL!" That's homerism and just downright cocky.


Back on topic, you STILL had to bring up how the Patriots easily handled Denver and how they beat the Titans by 3 TD's when we weren't discussing the Pats at all. We were actually discussing the fact that I said if the Steelers don't show anything on the road, they LOSE by 13 to the Bungs next week. And that's being a homer? :lol:
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Postby Liam » Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:45 am

Just one little thing...NOBODY ELSE'S name should be on the Lombardi.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:51 am

Patriots fans do :lol: As fucking laugable as it is! Liam, I know you love your 'Boys and I fuckin love that about you. So, to the standards, you're a homer. So lets take your homerism and my homernism about the Steelers and all of that homernism COMBINED doesn't even come fucking CLOSE to think that Bill Bellicheat's name should be placed on the Lombardi! It's a travesty to even MENTION the sheer ridiculousness of it in the midst of Tapegate even happening. Michael Irvin took it far, but you know Pats fans actually agree with it.
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Postby Enigma869 » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:03 am

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I, however, think Roethlisbrerger NEVER gets his due


I don't agree. I don't know anyone who follows the NFL who doesn't believe Ben is a very good player. He's not Brady, Brees, or Rodgers, but I'd certainly put him in the next group of NFL QB's.


YoungJRNY wrote:You jump in on practically every "Steelers related" topic there is because you can't help yourself so you're half of the blame as to why Steelers topics continue on because I'll reply to everything.


Someone has to straighten out some of your nonsense postings! It might as well be me!

YoungJRNY wrote: Just like on my Facebook, when Mendenhall was looking good last week against the Eagles, all I said was that it was good to see Mendenhall bring the explosiveness back to the Steelers offense. You couldn't help but to reply about how average and "inconsistent" Mendenhall has been in his career.

After I showed you the facts and stats that supported that he was indeed consistent, you then churned the direction of the argument in your favor by trying to bring up points that wasn't even being talked about like how his 65 yards per game average isn't the "elite player"


Mendenhall sucks, period, end of story. You did indeed talk about how much he adds. He adds absolutely NOTHING. Fact is exactly what I stated it was. He averages 65 yards a game rushing over the course of his career and can't stay on the field! Refute it all you want, but the facts are on my side! Guys who rush for 65 yards a game are a dime a dozen. We refer to them as a "JAG" (just another guy), and that's all Mendenhall is, until he proves otherwise!

YoungJRNY wrote: You're the best politician on here


Me, a politician? Now, that's fucking funny. I couldn't be less politically correct if I tried!

YoungJRNY wrote: Everybody has a homer in them, including you.


Agreed!

YoungJRNY wrote:You think that Boston is absolutley the greatest area in all the United States


You bet I do. It's my hometown and wouldn't live anywhere else. I would expect others to have the same civic pride about their hometowns.

YoungJRNY wrote: and speak highly of Boston's entire accomplishments from the Celtics, Pats, Bruins and Red Sox


The accomplishments of the teams you mentioned speak for themselves. I'm proud to be a native of one of the greatest sports cities on the planet! You tell me Steelers fans are the best who ever lived. I'm telling you that Boston is a well rounded sports city, who supports all of our teams!

YoungJRNY wrote:posted articles about how Robert Kraft is God


This is simply a moronic and offensive comment. First off, the only article that I EVER posted about Robert Kraft on this forum (or any other) is that he is a nominee for the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I didn't write the article or nominate Kraft for the HOF. I merely posted it and said that I believe he is worthy of being enshrined and that he's the best owner in the history of all Boston sports team. That's my opinion. It's certainly not calling the man "God".

YoungJRNY wrote:and how Bill Beillicheat's name should be put on the Lombardi trophy


At one time, I absolutely said that IF (convenient of you to leave that one important point out of the equation) he won a 4th Super Bowl, someone would have to consider it. You already know my stance on the whole "cheating" fiasco. Look up the rule and just understand that if the video taping happened from the first row of the stands, there wouldn't have been a violation of NFL rules. Your high school coaches taped opposing teams and I promise you that it still happens!


YoungJRNY wrote: I'll never forget your comment when Brady came back that next season after sitting out with his knee "Order is restored in the NFL!" That's homerism and just downright cocky.


I absolutely said it and owned it. The guy went on to win the MVP, so apparently, I might have been onto something!
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Postby AR » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:17 am

Still on a baseball high despite the Orioles loss yesterday. (What a great season regardless!)

Off to see the Ravens/Cowboys game in person tomorrow on my 3rd free ticket this season. 8)
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