OFFICIAL 2012-2013 NFL Thread

[Enigma869]

Nope, and mark my words, the puke greenies get p.p.p...pounded!

Won't happen. Even if San Francisco wins the game, they're not running away from Green Bay. Their offense isn't that good!

[Memorex]

I'd love to see the Niners bookend the GB season.

But I don't dislike GB at all and I have much respect for them.

If GB wins, I'll be rooting for SEA to represent the NFC West in the SB.

[slucero]

wow.. nice game Flacco...

[Everett]

Double overtime in denver. Unbelievable game.

[Enigma869]

What an epic battle between Denver and Baltimore. LOVED watching this game. Kudos to the Ravens and their fans for winning a game that I didn't think that they could win. An absolute blood and guts performance by Baltimore. On a side note, this is now the 8th time in 12 post-season performances that Peyton Manning has lost his first playoff game!

[YoungJRNY]

That's what football is all about. I'm almost convinced Baltimore may win the Super Bowl. 4th and 29? Heaving the ball deep and completing against obvious prevent defense?

Manning's no different than Brett Favre. Amazing regular season QB, TERRIBLE post-season QB. How ironic Peyton throws across his body, a rookie mistake, ala Favre in the 2009 Championship games against the Saints.

[Ehwmatt]

That's what football is all about. I'm almost convinced Baltimore may win the Super Bowl. 4th and 29? Heaving the ball deep and completing against obvious prevent defense?

Manning's no different than Brett Favre. Amazing regular season QB, TERRIBLE post-season QB. How ironic Peyton throws across his body, a rookie mistake, ala Favre in the 2009 Championship games against the Saints.

Spot on. I found this game painful to watch. It was the wort close game I can remember. The only highlights forme were the kick and punt return Tds and torrie smiths incredible catch

[slucero]

Man - I'm just waiting for Kaepernick to run and get blasted in the open field. He takes a lot of chances.

EDIT: scratch that...

EDIT: wow.. Kaepernick is killing GB's D...

[Enigma869]

Nope, and mark my words, the puke greenies get p.p.p...pounded!

You're looking like a genius with this prediction. I'm stunned by how putrid Green Bay's defense is. I mean...how the hell do you allow a fucking QB to rush for almost 200 yards against you I give Harbaugh a lot of credit for putting Kaepernick in over Smith. Not that I ever thought that Smith was anything special. That said, a lot of coaches would have played it safe and stuck with Smith. It looks like after going 4-0 with my picks last week, I'll be 0-2 after this game. The NFL is nuts. Watch Seattle and Houston win tomorrow!

[slucero]

Nope, and mark my words, the puke greenies get p.p.p...pounded!

You're looking like a genius with this prediction. I'm stunned by how putrid Green Bay's defense is. I mean...how the hell do you allow a fucking QB to rush for almost 200 yards against you I give Harbaugh a lot of credit for putting Kaepernick in over Smith. Not that I ever thought that Smith was anything special. That said, a lot of coaches would have played it safe and stuck with Smith. It looks like after going 4-0 with my picks last week, I'll be 0-2 after this game. The NFL is nuts. Watch Seattle and Houston win tomorrow!

I still think Seattle is the dark horse... would be an epic matchup against SF..

[conversationpc]

Man - I'm just waiting for Kaepernick to run and get blasted in the open field. He takes a lot of chances.

EDIT: scratch that...

EDIT: wow.. Kaepernick is killing GB's D...

14 carries for 183 yards and two TDs and two passing touchdowns. Dude rocked it today.

[Memorex]

Niners!!!!! Yes!!!!!

[Don]

Man - I'm just waiting for Kaepernick to run and get blasted in the open field. He takes a lot of chances.

EDIT: scratch that...

EDIT: wow.. Kaepernick is killing GB's D...

It helps that he is a lot bigger than Michael Vick. Hell, he's even a little bigger than Steve Young, the last legit running QB for the Niners.

[YoungJRNY]

Nope, and mark my words, the puke greenies get p.p.p...pounded!

You're looking like a genius with this prediction. I'm stunned by how putrid Green Bay's defense is. I mean...how the hell do you allow a fucking QB to rush for almost 200 yards against you I give Harbaugh a lot of credit for putting Kaepernick in over Smith. Not that I ever thought that Smith was anything special. That said, a lot of coaches would have played it safe and stuck with Smith. It looks like after going 4-0 with my picks last week, I'll be 0-2 after this game. The NFL is nuts. Watch Seattle and Houston win tomorrow!

I guess you said it best a couple pages ago, John, and we all have been saying it for YEARS (which is why I try to ATLEAST pick a handful of upsets, even if I'm dead wrong):

It's the NFL, dude...ANYTHING can happen.

[Memorex]

I was shocked at the Baltimore victory but I felt like Denver pulled up at the end. Questionable play calling in key moments. I felt like when they kneeled down with 31 seconds and 3 timeouts left, they were giving it away. It is quite possible to gain decent yardage, control the clock, and kick a FG under those circumstances.

The Niners - they flat out dominated. The score does not reflect the difference between the two teams. It was quite amazing. Crabtree, Gore, Kaepernick. It was crazy. If they continue to play like that, they will be Super Bowl Champions. But I have to say it again. The Niners have not won three games in a row this year and this was their second consecutive win. Their inconsistency pisses me off. The way they looked out there today, they are the best team in football. They way they looked against Seattle, the Rams, Minnesota, and for a bit, New England makes me think they can easily be beat by any team.

I hope momentum is on their side. I think tomorrow I will root for Seattle over Atlanta, though that makes me a little nervous. I think I'd rather see SF play at home. Of course, if they have to go to Atlanta, it's not all that far from New Orleans.

[YoungJRNY]

Denver got physicked the hell OUT. I was absolutley SHOCKED to see them play conservative football on 3rd and short (when they got stopped time and time again in short yardage situations) and not put the game in Manning's hands late in the game. They had 2 chances on 3rd down to ice the game, but instead, took it out of the hands of a Hall of Fame quarterback who you purposely went after in the off-season to pursue the type of quaterback-play in these types of situations Tim Tebow couldn't provide you. Not only that, but they took a knee with 30 some seconds left with two timeouts. How bout a couple quick shots downfield to atleast play for FG range and hope for a desperation walk off GW FG? You only got one of the most profiled QB's of this era to get you there. Eventually, it came back to bite them.

[RPM]

Denver got physicked the hell OUT. I was absolutley SHOCKED to see them play conservative football on 3rd and short (when they got stopped time and time again in short yardage situations) and not put the game in Manning's hands late in the game. They had 2 chances on 3rd down to ice the game, but instead, took it out of the hands of a Hall of Fame quarterback who you purposely went after in the off-season to pursue the type of quaterback-play in these types of situations Tim Tebow couldn't provide you. Not only that, but they took a knee with 30 some seconds left with two timeouts. How bout a couple quick shots downfield to atleast play for FG range and hope for a desperation walk off GW FG? You only got one of the most profiled QB's of this era to get you there. Eventually, it came back to bite them.

Spot on. I couldn't believe it either. cant stand that Dick Dan deirdorf he had some real gems.

"Peyton doesnt trust himself so he handed the ball off"
"Flacco has the strongest arm in the NFL"

No doubt FLACCO has a strong arm, he made some real nice throws and played a great game
but thats a strong statement to make as fact.

Denvers defense surprised me, I thought they were better than that. great game to watch(except for Deirdorf face)

[Memorex]

Denver got physicked the hell OUT. I was absolutley SHOCKED to see them play conservative football on 3rd and short (when they got stopped time and time again in short yardage situations) and not put the game in Manning's hands late in the game. They had 2 chances on 3rd down to ice the game, but instead, took it out of the hands of a Hall of Fame quarterback who you purposely went after in the off-season to pursue the type of quaterback-play in these types of situations Tim Tebow couldn't provide you. Not only that, but they took a knee with 30 some seconds left with two timeouts. How bout a couple quick shots downfield to atleast play for FG range and hope for a desperation walk off GW FG? You only got one of the most profiled QB's of this era to get you there. Eventually, it came back to bite them.

Spot on. I couldn't believe it either. cant stand that Dick Dan deirdorf he had some real gems.

"Peyton doesnt trust himself so he handed the ball off"
"Flacco has the strongest arm in the NFL"

No doubt FLACCO has a strong arm, he made some real nice throws and played a great game
but thats a strong statement to make as fact.

Denvers defense surprised me, I thought they were better than that. great game to watch(except for Deirdorf face)

I get very irritated and moody when I watch a game with Dierdorf. I'm hoping the Super Bowl is Nantz/Simms cause I am not sure I can watch another full game with Dierdorf. He just doesn't shut the hell up and comes across as feeling superior to everyone else. Wait a minute? Does he post here?

[No Surprize]

Nope, and mark my words, the puke greenies get p.p.p...pounded!

You're looking like a genius with this prediction. I'm stunned by how putrid Green Bay's defense is. I mean...how the hell do you allow a fucking QB to rush for almost 200 yards against you I give Harbaugh a lot of credit for putting Kaepernick in over Smith. Not that I ever thought that Smith was anything special. That said, a lot of coaches would have played it safe and stuck with Smith. It looks like after going 4-0 with my picks last week, I'll be 0-2 after this game. The NFL is nuts. Watch Seattle and Houston win tomorrow!

Green Bay was the easy pick of the week. My other rout is your Boston Patriots over the one-dimensonal Oilers. Maybe if they had Warren Moon they

have a chance, maybe. The Falcons are going to have their hands full. I wouldn't be surprised if Wilson pulls out a stunner on the dirty birds. The only

way I see Atlanta blowing this one is if Ryan chokes on a sea chicken bone. Seattle had to come east last week and had a tough, physical game with

skin's, fly back west, then fly back east. That wears on you no matter who you are. Playing inside the dome will also help Atlanta. My hat is off to the

Colt's. The game is everything but over and Jone's get behind the DB's for a hail mary! WOW! That was surreal and I bet Ed pulled a hamstring jumping

up & down. Then Manning made a throw he shouldn't have, game over. Hated to see it end, what a great game!

[No Surprize]

Denver got physicked the hell OUT. I was absolutley SHOCKED to see them play conservative football on 3rd and short (when they got stopped time and time again in short yardage situations) and not put the game in Manning's hands late in the game. They had 2 chances on 3rd down to ice the game, but instead, took it out of the hands of a Hall of Fame quarterback who you purposely went after in the off-season to pursue the type of quaterback-play in these types of situations Tim Tebow couldn't provide you. Not only that, but they took a knee with 30 some seconds left with two timeouts. How bout a couple quick shots downfield to atleast play for FG range and hope for a desperation walk off GW FG? You only got one of the most profiled QB's of this era to get you there. Eventually, it came back to bite them.

Spot on. I couldn't believe it either. cant stand that Dick Dan deirdorf he had some real gems.

"Peyton doesnt trust himself so he handed the ball off"
"Flacco has the strongest arm in the NFL"

No doubt FLACCO has a strong arm, he made some real nice throws and played a great game
but thats a strong statement to make as fact.

Denvers defense surprised me, I thought they were better than that. great game to watch(except for Deirdorf face)

I get very irritated and moody when I watch a game with Dierdorf. I'm hoping the Super Bowl is Nantz/Simms cause I am not sure I can watch another full game with Dierdorf. He just doesn't shut the hell up and comes across as feeling superior to everyone else. Wait a minute? Does he post here?

Doesn't he though? Fuck he's about as irritating as Madden. Dierdorf (and what an ample name for this goof), clearly has a favorite when he's running

his mouth. How many time's did you hear him fuck up? I counted 8. Someone needs to wake up and see he's a hindrance in the booth. Madden was

just as irritating to where when he was commentating I would just mute the volume. Here he is, "This what what Smith did. He took the hand off, the

right tackled pulled(and with his chalk board he would diagram it), the guard kicked out this way, Smith improvised and went that way. Yeah, Al, thats

it." If I didn't KNOW the game and the rules I wouldn't watch it. Shut the fuck up and just call the game!

[Ehwmatt]

I was shocked at the Baltimore victory but I felt like Denver pulled up at the end. Questionable play calling in key moments. I felt like when they kneeled down with 31 seconds and 3 timeouts left, they were giving it away. It is quite possible to gain decent yardage, control the clock, and kick a FG under those circumstances.

The Niners - they flat out dominated. The score does not reflect the difference between the two teams. It was quite amazing. Crabtree, Gore, Kaepernick. It was crazy. If they continue to play like that, they will be Super Bowl Champions. But I have to say it again. The Niners have not won three games in a row this year and this was their second consecutive win. Their inconsistency pisses me off. The way they looked out there today, they are the best team in football. They way they looked against Seattle, the Rams, Minnesota, and for a bit, New England makes me think they can easily be beat by any team.

I hope momentum is on their side. I think tomorrow I will root for Seattle over Atlanta, though that makes me a little nervous. I think I'd rather see SF play at home. Of course, if they have to go to Atlanta, it's not all that far from New Orleans.

Fox's decision to kneel down with 2 TOs (wasn't it 2, and not 3?) and 31 seconds left with the game tied was unconscionable. He took the ball out of Peyton's hands (and at the time, it was possible Peyton wouldn't get to touch the ball in OT). It would have been a huge disaster for him if Balti took their first possession and won the game.

Peyton made some beautiful throws in the end zone yesterday, but he also made a lot of terrible looking throws. The guy can't play in the cold, especially when it comes to the playoffs.

[Enigma869]

Not numbers you'd expect to see from a first ballot, hall of famer.

[RPM]

I was shocked at the Baltimore victory but I felt like Denver pulled up at the end. Questionable play calling in key moments. I felt like when they kneeled down with 31 seconds and 3 timeouts left, they were giving it away. It is quite possible to gain decent yardage, control the clock, and kick a FG under those circumstances.

The Niners - they flat out dominated. The score does not reflect the difference between the two teams. It was quite amazing. Crabtree, Gore, Kaepernick. It was crazy. If they continue to play like that, they will be Super Bowl Champions. But I have to say it again. The Niners have not won three games in a row this year and this was their second consecutive win. Their inconsistency pisses me off. The way they looked out there today, they are the best team in football. They way they looked against Seattle, the Rams, Minnesota, and for a bit, New England makes me think they can easily be beat by any team.

I hope momentum is on their side. I think tomorrow I will root for Seattle over Atlanta, though that makes me a little nervous. I think I'd rather see SF play at home. Of course, if they have to go to Atlanta, it's not all that far from New Orleans.

Fox's decision to kneel down with 2 TOs (wasn't it 2, and not 3?) and 31 seconds left with the game tied was unconscionable. He took the ball out of Peyton's hands (and at the time, it was possible Peyton wouldn't get to touch the ball in OT). It would have been a huge disaster for him if Balti took their first possession and won the game.

Peyton made some beautiful throws in the end zone yesterday, but he also made a lot of terrible looking throws. The guy can't play in the cold, especially when it comes to the playoffs.

Yeah why the hell was fox playing not to lose when he has Manning and T.O.'S ? what a dumb ass!
that game should have never made it to O.T. HORRIBLE prevent defense by Denver.

[YoungJRNY]

Quick observation before this NFC game. I love Seattle. They are probably my favorite team to watch in prime-time. Always interesting and I just love the style of football they play. Very entertaining. I do believe, however, that signs were showed last week against Washington. They struggle with big backs and are mostly finesse on the defensive side of the ball. Atlanta has struggled with their ground game, but Seattle struggles against the low center of gravity type running back so I can see Turner give Atlanta a nice balance. There were throws for RGIII to make last week on a tore ACL, he just couldn't put it there. I think Atlanta has one of the fiercest wideouts in the game and it'll be too much to overcome for Seattle. I can't wait to watch Marshawn Lynch though. My favorite back in the league.

[mikemarrs]

That's what football is all about. I'm almost convinced Baltimore may win the Super Bowl. 4th and 29? Heaving the ball deep and completing against obvious prevent defense?

Manning's no different than Brett Favre. Amazing regular season QB, TERRIBLE post-season QB. How ironic Peyton throws across his body, a rookie mistake, ala Favre in the 2009 Championship games against the Saints.

Agreed....At one point in time a few years back i had Manning as one of the best if not the best and ahead of Tom Brady but i think overall Manning has hurt his legacy with all the playoff games he has lost and not been clutch at all in the postseason especially a 9-11 playoff record.Peyton Manning more and more does remind me a lot of Brett Favre and they are both probably close statistically also because overall stats don't mean much its winning that does.In that case i would definitely pick Tom Brady as right up there with the best of all time in regards to what he has done in New England not to mention all the AFC championship games,playoffs and Super Bowls he has made it to.Overall Brady has done way more than Manning and been way more clutch in the postseason.Even though Brady lost his last two Super Bowl appearances i think if he makes it to another Super Bowl and wins he would defintely be at the top as the greatest ever.

[Enigma869]

Agreed....At one point in time a few years back i had Manning as one of the best if not the best and ahead of Tom Brady but i think overall Manning has hurt his legacy with all the playoff games he has lost and not been clutch at all in the postseason especially a 9-11 playoff record.Peyton Manning more and more does remind me a lot of Brett Favre and they are both probably close statistically also because overall stats don't mean much its winning that does.In that case i would definitely pick Tom Brady as right up there with the best of all time in regards to what he has done in New England not to mention all the AFC championship games,playoffs and Super Bowls he has made it to.Overall Brady has done way more than Manning and been way more clutch in the postseason.Even though Brady lost his last two Super Bowl appearances i think if he makes it to another Super Bowl and wins he would defintely be at the top as the greatest ever.

If Brady actually wins another Super Bowl, the argument is over for me. Sure, Joe Montana never lost one. Not relevant to me if Brady wins as many (with FAR less talent than Joe had) but got to two more than Joe got to. Losing a Super Bowl doesn't hurt a player's legacy if he's actually won some of those big games. Also, if (and again, it's a big if for me) the Patriots win today (and I think this game will be an absolute dog fight and could go either way), Brady will pass Joe Montana with the most post-season wins ever by a QB. Seven more TD's and he's number one all time in post-season TD's (passing both Joe and Favre). There won't be much else for the guy to do. Honestly, I was a HUGE Montana fan growing up (as was Brady). If someone wants to make the argument that Joe is the best ever (and I'm not convinced), I'll at least listen to that argument. Arguing that Peyton is better is beyond laughable at this point!

[slucero]

wow... Falcons out-muscling Seahawks..

Hawks just look slow..

[YoungJRNY]

Agreed....At one point in time a few years back i had Manning as one of the best if not the best and ahead of Tom Brady but i think overall Manning has hurt his legacy with all the playoff games he has lost and not been clutch at all in the postseason especially a 9-11 playoff record.Peyton Manning more and more does remind me a lot of Brett Favre and they are both probably close statistically also because overall stats don't mean much its winning that does.In that case i would definitely pick Tom Brady as right up there with the best of all time in regards to what he has done in New England not to mention all the AFC championship games,playoffs and Super Bowls he has made it to.Overall Brady has done way more than Manning and been way more clutch in the postseason.Even though Brady lost his last two Super Bowl appearances i think if he makes it to another Super Bowl and wins he would defintely be at the top as the greatest ever.

If Brady actually wins another Super Bowl, the argument is over for me. Sure, Joe Montana never lost one. Not relevant to me if Brady wins as many (with FAR less talent than Joe had) but got to two more than Joe got to. Losing a Super Bowl doesn't hurt a player's legacy if he's actually won some of those big games. Also, if (and again, it's a big if for me) the Patriots win today (and I think this game will be an absolute dog fight and could go either way), Brady will pass Joe Montana with the most post-season wins ever by a QB. Seven more TD's and he's number one all time in post-season TD's (passing both Joe and Favre). There won't be much else for the guy to do. Honestly, I was a HUGE Montana fan growing up (as was Brady). If someone wants to make the argument that Joe is the best ever (and I'm not convinced), I'll at least listen to that argument. Arguing that Peyton is better is beyond laughable at this point!

Manning is out of the question now. He cemented his legacy as the post-season QB that he is yesterday. It's not a mistake. It's a habit over the coarse of his career and he just can't get over that playoff dominance he possesses in the regular season. I really do hate the argument that Brady has won over time with far less talent to bolster his career more than it is. You don't have to necessarily have to have world beaters around you to do what Brady and New England has done over the past decade. Teams like Washington, Philly and Dallas have have one of the most talented teams in the NFL over time and they couldn't sniff a Super Bowl. New England is just so well coached and is impeccable in their ways and understand the mindset of perfection. I think head coaching the ability to understand your quarterback and that relationship plays a huge part in what New England has become (you saw that mystique leave New Orleans when Sean Payton left Bree's side this past season.)

New England benefits from having, what's said, to own one of the most genius head coach's to ever coach the game in today's era. Manning DID go to a Super Bowl with that corpse Jim Caldwell running the ship. Brady is the best ever in the modern-era but guys like David Patton, Wes Welker and Deion Branch sure did make enormous plays for Brady as well, especially yards after the catch. What separates Brady from the rest, is always putting the ball on the money in his play-makers hands and making defense's pay, less-talent or not. The players around him deserve more credit, especially the TE's and wideouts over the time churning plays upfield that made Brady's offense run so fluently in ANY variation.

[Memorex]

Certainly there are a lot more favorable rules these days than there were for Montana. I'm not a huge fan of Brady, though I do understand he's very good. I also think he gets more time in the backfield than almost any QB. I've actually witnessed him ordering a pizza, having it delivered, and eating the first two pieces before he had to throw.

[slucero]

I used to love watching Kurt Warner... his quick reads were amazing..