CITA and Captured

[Toph]

I hope no one takes this as "stirring up the pot." I have a question about both Styx CITA and Journey Captured . For years, I've heard that both bands went in and redubbed parts of these discs in the studio, whereas on Return to Paradise and Journey GH Live those are straight recordings. I guess I don't have a very good trained ear because I can't tell you where on CITA or Captured where its been redone in the studio. Can someone who is more of an expert at this than I am tell me where the studio version parts are of CITA for example so that my untrained ear knows what to listen for?

[FormerDJMike]

I no longer have it but the Westwood One Concert Series featuring the Kilroy tour is essentially the same show as CITA and it sounds like crap. It was obvious after hearing it that overdubs were done in the studio. If you can find it you can tell some huge differences. I remember reading somewhere guitar parts were re-recorded and some drums redone in the studio as well. When you hear that show you'll be able to tell what is different. Don't know about Captured. I hAve also heard Unleashed In The East isn't as live as once thought either and to me that is one of the greatest live albums of all time.

[FormerDJMike]

Again I no longer have the audio but the organ on Blue Collar Man was different, guitar was different in Miss America and in Madame Blue during the "America" part and the guitar solo. Drums I believe were different in Rockin The Paradise.

[Boomchild]

I no longer have it but the Westwood One Concert Series featuring the Kilroy tour is essentially the same show as CITA and it sounds like crap. It was obvious after hearing it that overdubs were done in the studio. If you can find it you can tell some huge differences. I remember reading somewhere guitar parts were re-recorded and some drums redone in the studio as well. When you hear that show you'll be able to tell what is different. Don't know about Captured. I hAve also heard Unleashed In The East isn't as live as once thought either and to me that is one of the greatest live albums of all time.

I have the Westwood One recording and remember thinking the same thing about the sound quality. I think CITA came from those recordings with "audio sweetening" as the liner notes to CITA stated. If I remember correctly.

[FormerDJMike]

I'd like to hear that show again from WWOne. I had it on cassette, I had taped it off the radio when they played it back in the day. I remember thinking it sounded really bad compared to CITA.... Blue Collar Man had an extra keyboard note that sounded odd to me... I didn't like it, and on the CITA version it sounds more like the studio version. Miss America also had some different stuff guitar-wise as did SM Blue. Probably many more but I haven't heard that show since 1988 or so.

[masque]

toph, not being able to hear the redubbed parts is not due to an untrained ear at all......in fact, when the redubbing is done, if it's done by a good engineer none of us would ever know where those redubs happened at......unless we were also able to hear the original recording.

like what was mentioned, I have never heard the original recording of CITA, so I have no idea how good or bad it was.......but nearly all bands need to do some redubbing of a live performance.....being in the crowd, with the noise, the energy, the volume and being in the moment masks many small to large imperfections that any professional artist would demand to be fixed before allowing that recording to go public as an official release.

[Monker]

I hope no one takes this as "stirring up the pot." I have a question about both Styx CITA and Journey Captured . For years, I've heard that both bands went in and redubbed parts of these discs in the studio, whereas on Return to Paradise and Journey GH Live those are straight recordings. I guess I don't have a very good trained ear because I can't tell you where on CITA or Captured where its been redone in the studio. Can someone who is more of an expert at this than I am tell me where the studio version parts are of CITA for example so that my untrained ear knows what to listen for?

The only person who would say GHLive is not modified is Steve Perry. That CD had the audience tuned down and even had some words changed. And, a lot of those songs are FROM Captured. Since GHLive was released WAY after Perry exited the band, the only bits that Sony would redub are vocals...and since Perry's voice has changed so much, they didn't change his vocals. Neal and the rest had very little to do with this (except input on song choices and signing off on the release).

If Captured was redubbed, they did a great job because there isn't much difference that I can tell from the CD and the boots.

[Toph]

Had the wrong title in the thread - got my Journey albums mixed up and had Departure in title instead of Captured. Wasn't Captured the tour for Departure?