The response should be...

[Toph]

Since Styx and Foreigner touring together, how about this for a 2014 tour...

Dennis DeYoung and Lou Gramm - Hear the Real Voices Behind The Songs!

[gr8dane]

Don't you mean the real voices behind some of the songs?

[Toph]

Don't you mean the real voices behind some of the songs?

I stand corrected - between the 2 groups, you have 17 top 10 hits. These two sing on 16 of the 17. So, let me rephrase - 94% of the songs.

[gr8dane]

Thank you,I see it now.What a bang.
Coming to a town near you, Dennis and Lou.
Will play the 17 songs that were hits that they sang.
17 songs in 1 evening.That should get some lineups for you.

[Grotelul]

The only thing I would like to see for one last time is Dennis and Glenn joining current Styx for 20-25 shows in major cities. Record video and audio . Let it be the final send off.

[Boomchild]

The only thing I would like to see for one last time is Dennis and Glenn joining current Styx for 20-25 shows in major cities. Record video and audio . Let it be the final send off.

Based on a recent interview with Glen, I wouldn't hold my breath. In this interview he made the comment that "Styx isn't his kind of music". Overall he left the impression that the only reason he joined the band was because the money was good. In fact it was like he was somewhat embarrassed by it.

[Boomchild]

Since Styx and Foreigner touring together, how about this for a 2014 tour...

Dennis DeYoung and Lou Gramm - Hear the Real Voices Behind The Songs!

Well if your goal is to make people think that you can't move on and like to drag the public into your own personal grudges then I guess this is one way to do it.

[masque]

The only thing I would like to see for one last time is Dennis and Glenn joining current Styx for 20-25 shows in major cities. Record video and audio . Let it be the final send off.

Based on a recent interview with Glen, I wouldn't hold my breath. In this interview he made the comment that "Styx isn't his kind of music". Overall he left the impression that the only reason he joined the band was because the money was good. In fact it was like he was somewhat embarrassed by it.

link to said interview?

and I agree that Styx isnt Glen's overall type of music.....I owned a few of his solo albums and his music was more bubble gum up tempo pop stuff.....songs like "here comes sally" were great but not in the vein of classic styx.

i doubt he was really embarrassed or otherwise he wouldnt have joined twice and been a part of the Behind The Music.....he would have declined.

[masque]

Since Styx and Foreigner touring together, how about this for a 2014 tour...

Dennis DeYoung and Lou Gramm - Hear the Real Voices Behind The Songs!

I think DDY still has the option of a fairly viable career.....but poor old Lou is done......based on 98.6% of all videos I have seen him do it borderlines on shocking on how bad he looks and sounds....I admire the guy for his recovery from his health problems, but they for sure took their toll on him.

recent clips have been better but there is no way he could front Foreigner anymore the way that Kelly does especially with their schedule.

[Boomchild]

link to said interview?

and I agree that Styx isnt Glen's overall type of music.....I owned a few of his solo albums and his music was more bubble gum up tempo pop stuff.....songs like "here comes sally" were great but not in the vein of classic styx.

i doubt he was really embarrassed or otherwise he wouldnt have joined twice and been a part of the Behind The Music.....he would have declined.

My opinion is based on his reactions in this recent interview. I didn't come away with the impression that he had any real positive thoughts about Styx as a whole. I just get the impression that Glen will sometimes do things if the money is too good to pass up. Don't get me wrong, I like a lot of Glen's music and liked him as Tommy's replacement in the 90's. Thought he was a good fit. But, in reality if Glen wants to make his living in the music business his solo career is\wasn't enough to make it. So that is why I think he takes these kind of offers. Here is the link to said interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPHBCWqeCCc

[masque]

i just watched the interview.....i didnt really get the feeling that he was embarrassed about being a part of styx, he just admitted after the interviewer talked about not liking styx himself, that he (glen) was not a styx fan when he got the offer. but that he really did like the tommy material and then says "well, they had their moments" inferring that some of the non tommy stuff was OK as well.......i do agree that it sounds like he saw styx more or less a plain ole good paying job rather than something he was overly passionate about.

[brywool]

It's too bad that Glenn didn't work out with Styx, with all due respect to Ricky Phillips. Glenn was great in that band BOTH times IMHO. I remember when he left the second time. Ruined my day.

Regarding Lou Gramm, has his voice come back? I've not been keeping up with him and the last time I saw him was (I think) in 98 or 2000 with Journey and his voice was gone due to his medical issues (man, I felt sorry for him at that show, he was having a very rough time of it). I saw Kelly with Foreigner a few years ago (with Journey again) and he was very good. I remember seeing Foreigner on the 4 tour and while they sounded great, I didn't think Lou was that engaging of a front guy. Sang his butt off, but I thought that Kelly handled an audience better. Still, it'd be nice to hear Lou again.

I think that Dennis should do a package tour though. You have to wonder if it's ego that's keeping him from doing it - "If I'm not the headliner, I'm not interested" kind of thing. Maybe not. But it would get him out in front of more people. The other thing is, half the world's bands have toured with Styx in the present incarnation. Gotta wonder if that'd be weird for Dennis. Then again, I think most people do know him and so he may be going "I'm touring as much as I want to" which is also cool.
He's got such a great voice, it'd be nice if he was out there more than he is.

[Boomchild]

i just watched the interview.....i didnt really get the feeling that he was embarrassed about being a part of styx, he just admitted after the interviewer talked about not liking styx himself, that he (glen) was not a styx fan when he got the offer. but that he really did like the tommy material and then says "well, they had their moments" inferring that some of the non tommy stuff was OK as well.......i do agree that it sounds like he saw styx more or less a plain ole good paying job rather than something he was overly passionate about.

It could be embarrassed is not the right word to use. But, he doesn't seem to be all that excited about it or the band in general. He seemed to come off as it "was just a good paying job". I guess I got the embarrassed impression from his facial expressions as the interviewer talked about Styx and in his reaction, Glen seemed to distance himself with his association with the band.

[Boomchild]

I think that Dennis should do a package tour though. You have to wonder if it's ego that's keeping him from doing it - "If I'm not the headliner, I'm not interested" kind of thing. Maybe not. But it would get him out in front of more people. The other thing is, half the world's bands have toured with Styx in the present incarnation. Gotta wonder if that'd be weird for Dennis. Then again, I think most people do know him and so he may be going "I'm touring as much as I want to" which is also cool.
He's got such a great voice, it'd be nice if he was out there more than he is.

I don't think it's an ego thing. If Dennis was to do a package tour it would mean more dates then he is doing now and I get the feeling that he is not looking to do that.

[yogi]

IMO the tour that would sell out EVERYWHERE even now 30 years after they were both considered the best(by the fans and the record buying public) even though the critics hated them would be a DDY/Steve Perry double bill.

If marketed correctly Dennis and his band and Steve and the band he puts together would sell out 15,000 venues from coast to coast.

It would also cement their legacies no matter what the critics thought as two of the GREATEST rock and roll vocalists in the history of that genre.

[Baron Von Bielski]

IMO the tour that would sell out EVERYWHERE even now 30 years after they were both considered the best(by the fans and the record buying public) even though the critics hated them would be a DDY/Steve Perry double bill.

If marketed correctly Dennis and his band and Steve and the band he puts together would sell out 15,000 venues from coast to coast.

It would also cement their legacies no matter what the critics thought as two of the GREATEST rock and roll vocalists in the history of that genre.

I disagree, even though it'd be awesome and something I'd pay top dollar to see. If they were both back with "their" original bands on a double bill... even then they'd have a hard time selling out venues of that size. It's just the industry. Things aren't like they used to be. Now if only hell would freeze over.

[Boomchild]

I disagree, even though it'd be awesome and something I'd pay top dollar to see. If they were both back with "their" original bands on a double bill... even then they'd have a hard time selling out venues of that size. It's just the industry. Things aren't like they used to be. Now if only hell would freeze over.

Personally, I am over wishing for a reunion of DDY with Styx. With everything that has gone on between them I can't see them putting aside all the bad blood. To me it would be a reunion that would be just about the money it would make. In reality, the only scenario I could see is some kind of one off gig like Pink Floyd did for Live 8.

[ztyxlynne]

I am over wishing for it too. It would be nice for them just to put aside their differences and have Tommy and JY acknowledge what be did for the band. Maybe introduce him for a guest spot like they do Chuck. Man Dennis singing with Gowen on keyboards. Just a song or two. A full on reunion is prob out of the card's. But come on guys, with everything going on in this world why can you put down the petty crap and just acknowledge the music you made together. Think of your fans!!!!!!!

[Boomchild]

I am over wishing for it too. It would be nice for them just to put aside their differences and have Tommy and JY acknowledge what be did for the band. Maybe introduce him for a guest spot like they do Chuck. Man Dennis singing with Gowen on keyboards. Just a song or two. A full on reunion is prob out of the card's. But come on guys, with everything going on in this world why can you put down the petty crap and just acknowledge the music you made together. Think of your fans!!!!!!!

To me having DDY back in the band would be like an insult to him. Based on how they treated him when the split came about and some of the other members comments about him since the split. It's too bad they couldn't have just used the old adage of "if you don't have something good to say about someone, then it's better to say nothing at all". The one thing I admire about DDY is that he through the whole thing he has put a emphasis on the positive things about what came of them working together.

[Toph]

Only one way they have a reunion. It would be a one off performance if they were miraculously voted into RNR HOF. You'd have to have DDY back for that.

[gr8dane]

I am over wishing for it too. It would be nice for them just to put aside their differences and have Tommy and JY acknowledge what be did for the band. Maybe introduce him for a guest spot like they do Chuck. Man Dennis singing with Gowen on keyboards. Just a song or two. A full on reunion is prob out of the card's. But come on guys, with everything going on in this world why can you put down the petty crap and just acknowledge the music you made together. Think of your fans!!!!!!!

To me having DDY back in the band would be like an insult to him. Based on how they treated him when the split came about and some of the other members comments about him since the split. It's too bad they couldn't have just used the old adage of "if you don't have something good to say about someone, then it's better to say nothing at all". The one thing I admire about DDY is that he through the whole thing he has put a emphasis on the positive things about what came of them working together.

You almost had me there.
As I was almost choking with emotions,reading about Styx' treatment of Dennis,I thankfully remembered some important things.
Dennis was stupid enough to get himself fired not once but twice.
Seeing him on Behind the music, going on with self importance,about Styx not playing without him.
Todd's description of the way Dennis was treating Tommy,on page 294 in The Grand Delusion.
Dennis' phone call to a radio station in Montreal,doing the 'Do you know who I am' bit and singing a bit to make sure the DJ knew who he was dealing with.
So after what Chuck,Tommy and JY had to endure ,I can't blame them for feeling insulted ,and not want Dennis in the band with them.
So three cheers to the boys for standing up for themselves,and carrying on the way feel is the best for them.

[Toph]

I am over wishing for it too. It would be nice for them just to put aside their differences and have Tommy and JY acknowledge what be did for the band. Maybe introduce him for a guest spot like they do Chuck. Man Dennis singing with Gowen on keyboards. Just a song or two. A full on reunion is prob out of the card's. But come on guys, with everything going on in this world why can you put down the petty crap and just acknowledge the music you made together. Think of your fans!!!!!!!

To me having DDY back in the band would be like an insult to him. Based on how they treated him when the split came about and some of the other members comments about him since the split. It's too bad they couldn't have just used the old adage of "if you don't have something good to say about someone, then it's better to say nothing at all". The one thing I admire about DDY is that he through the whole thing he has put a emphasis on the positive things about what came of them working together.

You almost had me there.
As I was almost choking with emotions,reading about Styx' treatment of Dennis,I thankfully remembered some important things.
Dennis was stupid enough to get himself fired not once but twice.
Seeing him on Behind the music, going on with self importance,about Styx not playing without him.
Todd's description of the way Dennis was treating Tommy,on page 294 in The Grand Delusion.
Dennis' phone call to a radio station in Montreal,doing the 'Do you know who I am' bit and singing a bit to make sure the DJ knew who he was dealing with.
So after what Chuck,Tommy and JY had to endure ,I can't blame them for feeling insulted ,and not want Dennis in the band with them.
So three cheers to the boys for standing up for themselves,and carrying on the way feel is the best for them.

Oh poor Tommy Shaw and JY, yes, they were the victims here. Give me a FUCKING break.

If they hadn't ridden DDY's coattails, JY would be schlepping around making 30K a year as a taxi driver and Tommy would still be playing bowling alleys in Montgomery if he hadn't totally OD'd on drugs at this point.

How about the fact that Tommy Shaw is a lying sniveling weasel who wouldn't know how to tell the truth if it hit him in the face? Not to mention that his coke habit and great ability to take his toys and go home if he doesn't get his way resulted in the band blowing a ton of opportunities in the late 70s and early 80s. "If you don't release the song I want to release as a single then I quit!" Very mature.

Or JY, a no talent rock star who was put in charge of the "business" side. You know why? Because if you don't have any talent, you have to find a place somewhere. Hey, but JY and his lawyers were certainly diabolical enough to figure out a way to oust DDY from the band against his own free will and now likes to write revisionist history about the band.

Exactly how much success has the band had since DDY was unceremoniously thrown out? If they had experienced as much success as they had in raising bs meter, then it would be 1981 all over again....

[gr8dane]

Thank you toph.
Your insight is most helpful.
If Dennis is that sensational,how come he has done diddlysquat himself since he got kicked out.
Thanks for the laughs.
Styx didn't really get huge until Tommy got in the band.

[Toph]

Thank you toph.
Your insight is most helpful.
If Dennis is that sensational,how come he has done diddlysquat himself since he got kicked out.
Thanks for the laughs.
Styx didn't really get huge until Tommy got in the band.

That is just laughable. What color is the sky in your world?

You could argue with Tommy they took a step back with Crystal Ball.

Top Ten Singles: Dennis 8, Tommy 1

Greatest Hits (which include non released singles): Dennis 10, Tommy 5, JY 1

Producer of all Styx albums: Dennis

Shall I go on?

[yogi]

[quote="gr8dane"]Thank you toph.
Your insight is most helpful.
If Dennis is that sensational,how come he has done diddlysquat himself since he got kicked out.
Thanks for the laughs.
Styx didn't really get huge until Tommy got in the band.[/quote]


My opinion was that Styx got much BIGGER with their switch to A&M. Once they got to A&M with Equinox they became a much more polished act. And they became MUCH MUCH better

Was Tommy a main reason for their success, and them becoming more polished? ABSOLUTELY!!! Tommy Shaw is a HUGE talent!!!

But still In my opinion they were about to hit BIG with their lable switch and they were becoming better. With or without Tommy in my opinion they would have made it BIG.

Edge of the Century also was minus Tommy Shaw and again in my opinion it was a DAMN good album.

Three of my favorite Styx albums are minus the BIG players.

Equinox is my favorite album of ALLLL Time, and there is no Tommy. Edge is GREAT no Tommy again, and Cyclorama is a MASTERPIECE and guess what No Dennis.

JY is the constant in all of these Go figure??????

[gr8dane]

Thank you toph.
Your insight is most helpful.
If Dennis is that sensational,how come he has done diddlysquat himself since he got kicked out.
Thanks for the laughs.
Styx didn't really get huge until Tommy got in the band.

That is just laughable. What color is the sky in your world?

You could argue with Tommy they took a step back with Crystal Ball.

Top Ten Singles: Dennis 8, Tommy 1

Greatest Hits (which include non released singles): Dennis 10, Tommy 5, JY 1

Producer of all Styx albums: Dennis

Shall I go on?

Yes please.
Tell me how sensational Dennis' solo career took off as a solo artist after Styx.
He did everything that was so great about Styx,how come he was not able to carry on with the same success ?
Ohh and by the way the sky is a nice purple with pink polka dots.
They may have taken a step back with Crystal Ball,but Tommy saved it as Dennis didn't have the goods, I think he said himself.

[gr8dane]

Thank you toph.
Your insight is most helpful.
If Dennis is that sensational,how come he has done diddlysquat himself since he got kicked out.
Thanks for the laughs.
Styx didn't really get huge until Tommy got in the band.

My opinion was that Styx got much BIGGER with their switch to A&M. Once they got to A&M with Equinox they became a much more polished act. And they became MUCH MUCH better

Was Tommy a main reason for their success, and them becoming more polished? ABSOLUTELY!!! Tommy Shaw is a HUGE talent!!!

But still In my opinion they were about to hit BIG with their lable switch and they were becoming better. With or without Tommy in my opinion they would have made it BIG.

Edge of the Century also was minus Tommy Shaw and again in my opinion it was a DAMN good album.

Three of my favorite Styx albums are minus the BIG players.

Equinox is my favorite album of ALLLL Time, and there is no Tommy. Edge is GREAT no Tommy again, and Cyclorama is a MASTERPIECE and guess what No Dennis.

JY is the constant in all of these Go figure??????

I am with you with most of what you say here yogi.
Switch to AM was massive and yes it got very nice and polished.
Equinox is the best Styx album hands down.
But I am not with you on the Edge Of Century.I find it totally atrocious,with the exception of the cover song which title escapes me.
Well if they were going to get big without Tommy,somebody else had to step in and deliver some goodies.
Who could that be ?

[Monker]

The response SHOULD be;

"I don't care what ____ is doing, I'm going to do my own thing."

[Toph]

Thank you toph.
Your insight is most helpful.
If Dennis is that sensational,how come he has done diddlysquat himself since he got kicked out.
Thanks for the laughs.
Styx didn't really get huge until Tommy got in the band.

My opinion was that Styx got much BIGGER with their switch to A&M. Once they got to A&M with Equinox they became a much more polished act. And they became MUCH MUCH better

Was Tommy a main reason for their success, and them becoming more polished? ABSOLUTELY!!! Tommy Shaw is a HUGE talent!!!

But still In my opinion they were about to hit BIG with their lable switch and they were becoming better. With or without Tommy in my opinion they would have made it BIG.

Edge of the Century also was minus Tommy Shaw and again in my opinion it was a DAMN good album.

Three of my favorite Styx albums are minus the BIG players.

Equinox is my favorite album of ALLLL Time, and there is no Tommy. Edge is GREAT no Tommy again, and Cyclorama is a MASTERPIECE and guess what No Dennis.

JY is the constant in all of these Go figure??????

I am with you with most of what you say here yogi.
Switch to AM was massive and yes it got very nice and polished.
Equinox is the best Styx album hands down.
But I am not with you on the Edge Of Century.I find it totally atrocious,with the exception of the cover song which title escapes me.
Well if they were going to get big without Tommy,somebody else had to step in and deliver some goodies.
Who could that be ?

Its because you have no taste in music. How can you not say Show Me The Way isn't a good song? One of their top 5.

[Boomchild]

You almost had me there.
As I was almost choking with emotions,reading about Styx' treatment of Dennis,I thankfully remembered some important things.
Dennis was stupid enough to get himself fired not once but twice.
Seeing him on Behind the music, going on with self importance,about Styx not playing without him.
Todd's description of the way Dennis was treating Tommy,on page 294 in The Grand Delusion.
Dennis' phone call to a radio station in Montreal,doing the 'Do you know who I am' bit and singing a bit to make sure the DJ knew who he was dealing with.
So after what Chuck,Tommy and JY had to endure ,I can't blame them for feeling insulted ,and not want Dennis in the band with them.
So three cheers to the boys for standing up for themselves,and carrying on the way feel is the best for them.

LOL, the innocent victim label applied over and over to TS and JY is so pathetic. As if their own egos, personal motives and ambitions did not contribute to the problems that existed between them. Your stretching it with DDY's comment from BTM where he said hew could never imagine Styx performing without him. That wasn't self importance, it's more he never thought that would happen. The issue with Todd's comment is we don't know what led up to that situation. Tommy also seems to have a habit of avoiding and not directly expressing issues he has with the person they are with. The phone call to the radio station and the bit with the DJ is typical DDY schtick humor. If you have listened to enough interviews with him you would see that. As I have said before all of them have had their own issues that led up to what happened. So please spare us with the halo routine when it comes to TS and JY.