DDY Setlist Milwaukee Summerfest

[gr8dane]

Let me see if i understand this right.

Dennis plays all the hits he wrote ,produced and being the voice of Styx,and he pull in fewer people than Styx.
Styx plays the non-hits that they wrote and pulls in more people than Dennis.
Maybe the hits really are shitty songs .
Styx wins again.

[gr8dane]

The Message/grand illusion
Lady
Lorelei
Blue Collar Man
Roboto
Too Much Time
Babe
Renegade
Rockin The Paradise
Show Me The Way
Best Of Times/A.D. 1958/ The End
Foolin Yourself
Prelude 12/ Suite Madame Blue
Crystal Ball
Come Sail Away

Can't win with either band in terms of setlist. At least with styx you don't have as many technical problems
as they did last night. Probably shoulda went to see reo but it wouldn't have made a difference.
I digress i suppose

Why do you go see DDY? You clearly have nothing good to ever say. As far as set lists, his blows XTS's away. But then again, you are going to go to cause trouble. Did you boo Roboto again? Glen should have kicked your ass.

Credit where credit is due.
First time Everett went to the Dennis show and spoke his mind because it was shit.
At least he gave Dennis a second chance,and Dennis failed again.
Good on you Everett.

[masque]

[/quote]

If Dennis DeYoung had the name STYX and was touring as STYX, he would have significantly more crowds than if Tommy Shaw and JY were touring as the TS/JY band. You clearly don't understand the power of a brand.[/quote]


toph trust me, i do clearly understand the power of the brand name.....and I do agree that it gives whoever has that name the leg up, no doubt about it.

but, i'll still play along because i know how you love this dance...........the point is that you claim current styx not playing babe, roboto, dont let it end and show me the way hurts ticket sales and that is complete and utter bullshit.

what hurts ticket sales more than anything (other than they are essentially a nostalgia act), is that the original big 3 arent together in the same band....plain and simple......if ddy were back in the band it would provide a slight bump in ticket sales.......but i hate to break this to you.......even if ddy were back and dyed his hair to not look like a grandpa and quit wearing his purple jump suits and acting like a dork on stage it wouldnt matter two shits to the rest of the world.

styx with or without ddy is a nostaglia act and will only every be able to play for the types of crowds they do now. they had their 2nd wind in 96-99 and it's over.

to diehard styx fans ddy is an intricate part of their dynasty.........but here's the funny part of all of this toph.....you talk about how styx is shooting themselves in the foot for not playing ddy's big hits but in reality you ignore the point i made in my initial post about what songs classic rock fans actually remember and care about from styx.

and this will come as a shock to you, but the casual fan you speak of who doesnt like curent styx because ddy isnt there actually are the very people that ive had to defend styx to because ive heard comments like "yeh i like some of their songs but man I couldnt stand that ddy and the way he acts in the videos".....or "man i loved renegade and some of their other songs but man I hate the way that deyoung guy does the vibrato thing with his voice all the time" or "man styx had some great rock tunes but they lost me when they started doing things like babe and mr roboto".

say what you want but i will bet you all you want that alot of folks on this here message board that are long time styx fans have encountered similar things. i love ddy and what he did for styx but to me he is for sure the guy that brings 100% of the "cheese" factor to this band.......yes there are people that love this band like you mostly because of him but there are equally people out there that dislike the band because of him.

and when i say the current styx mostly plays the songs I prefer it's nothing against ddy because i love songs like come sail away, lady and rockin the paradise. and i dont necessarily want more tommy songs in the set....im just one of the fans that would greatly prefer to hear queen of spades or pieces of eight over babe and roboto and you're "fooling yourself" (pun intended) if you believe the overwhelming majority of classic rock fans dont feel the same way........continued demand and getting hired for tours proves that, because trust me, after close to 15 years of this band performing without ddy and his "big hits" promoters are well aware of what they are getting when they hire styx theses days.....yet they still get hired......interesting dont you think......because according to you they have ruined the brand yet you still argue that they draw crowds because of the brand......talking out of both sides of your mouth toph doesnt make alot of sense but par for the course for your intellectually challenged ass.

[Everett]

The Message/grand illusion
Lady
Lorelei
Blue Collar Man
Roboto
Too Much Time
Babe
Renegade
Rockin The Paradise
Show Me The Way
Best Of Times/A.D. 1958/ The End
Foolin Yourself
Prelude 12/ Suite Madame Blue
Crystal Ball
Come Sail Away

Can't win with either band in terms of setlist. At least with styx you don't have as many technical problems
as they did last night. Probably shoulda went to see reo but it wouldn't have made a difference.
I digress i suppose

Why do you go see DDY? You clearly have nothing good to ever say. As far as set lists, his blows XTS's away. But then again, you are going to go to cause trouble. Did you boo Roboto again? Glen should have kicked your ass.

Credit where credit is due.
First time Everett went to the Dennis show and spoke his mind because it was shit.
At least he gave Dennis a second chance,and Dennis failed again.
Good on you Everett.

Thanks i guess dane. But this is like the 4th chance soo lol

[Everett]

Thanks for those vids masque. The guy at the end of the first one looked totally burned by the end of the show.
Rock n roll is not for the weak lol

[Boomchild]

to diehard styx fans ddy is an intricate part of their dynasty.........but here's the funny part of all of this toph.....you talk about how styx is shooting themselves in the foot for not playing ddy's big hits but in reality you ignore the point i made in my initial post about what songs classic rock fans actually remember and care about from styx.

and this will come as a shock to you, but the casual fan you speak of who doesnt like curent styx because ddy isnt there actually are the very people that ive had to defend styx to because ive heard comments like "yeh i like some of their songs but man I couldnt stand that ddy and the way he acts in the videos".....or "man i loved renegade and some of their other songs but man I hate the way that deyoung guy does the vibrato thing with his voice all the time" or "man styx had some great rock tunes but they lost me when they started doing things like babe and mr roboto".

If it were that black and white then DDY would not be able to draw people he does to his shows. I think Styx unlike other bands of it's time had a wide and diverse fan base. So there are going to be casual and diehard fans on each side when it comes to what they liked and didn't like about them. As far as concert draw there are a number of factors that come into play when making a comparison, it's not just the set list. You have to factor in that one books more dates, has full use of the brand, does package shows, has a merch. business. While the other books fewer dates by choice, is limited on how he can use the brand name and does not do the package tours, doesn't do the merch. thing for the most part.

[Toph]

if they would only add "babe" to the setlist I know they could sell at least another 5-7 tickets per show.

Styx had 2 gold singles. Roboto and Babe.

Styx had 7 singles that peaked in the top 8. All were written and sung by Dennis DeYoung.

Those are the facts.

So what? The Grateful Dead had how many hit singles? How successful were their tours?
Led Zeppelin had how many hit singles? How successful were their tours?

As Masque posted...fans of 80's pop songs are not the audience that Styx is playing to. They are playing to classic rock fans. Those are also the facts. And, according to YOU, it is the name Styx that sells tickets, not what songs they play. As long as they don't go and perform nothing but obscure songs, their attendance will remain basically the same.

My point is that the name Styx (along with 2 other bands) gets enough people in the door to make a tour worthwhile. Without the other band names, they sell about the same amount of tickets as DDY. What is insane is that they purposely choose to ignore 1/2 their legacy. Its stupid. But no one ever said Tommy Shaw was the brightest bulb.

[Monker]

My point is that the name Styx (along with 2 other bands) gets enough people in the door to make a tour worthwhile. Without the other band names, they sell about the same amount of tickets as DDY. What is insane is that they purposely choose to ignore 1/2 their legacy. Its stupid. But no one ever said Tommy Shaw was the brightest bulb.

Blah, blah, blah.

Styx was here a few years ago. They performed on their own at an outdoor venue to around 3,000 paying fans..

Dennis came soon after...he played a rib fest to few hundred non-paying fans of eating ribs.

Dennis does not sell as well as Styx.

[Toph]

Let me see if i understand this right.

Dennis plays all the hits he wrote ,produced and being the voice of Styx,and he pull in fewer people than Styx.
Styx plays the non-hits that they wrote and pulls in more people than Dennis.
Maybe the hits really are shitty songs .
Styx wins again.

Some of you all really are clueless.

Styx has the brand name. They won it in court. Dennis does not. So Joe Blow dumb ass fan will recognize the band name and if you package 2 other bands with it, it might be enough for Joe Blow dumb ass fan to fork out $30-$40 bucks to see three bands. However, the fact that Styx has to tour with 2 other bands to draw any sort of crowd is pretty pathetic. Styx by themselves DOES NO BETTER than Dennis DeYoung's solo shows. They both can fill 1500-2000 seat halls. Period. That's all they have left.

[Monker]

Some of you all really are clueless.

Styx has the brand name. They won it in court. Dennis does not. So Joe Blow dumb ass fan will recognize the band name and if you package 2 other bands with it, it might be enough for Joe Blow dumb ass fan to fork out $30-$40 bucks to see three bands. However, the fact that Styx has to tour with 2 other bands to draw any sort of crowd is pretty pathetic. Styx by themselves DOES NO BETTER than Dennis DeYoung's solo shows. They both can fill 1500-2000 seat halls. Period. That's all they have left.

The last three times I've seen Styx they were on their own. In fact, the only time I saw them with anybody was with REO and Journey. The only time I saw Dennis was in a half filled venue that hold about 2, 000 people, at most. After that, he was at the rib fest, and as far as I know, he hasn't been back. This year, Styx is with Foreigner at the fair, which seats 10,000 people...not three bands.

Styx sells here, Dennis doesn't. That is simply the bottom line. So, double dumb-ass on you.

[masque]

Let me see if i understand this right.

Dennis plays all the hits he wrote ,produced and being the voice of Styx,and he pull in fewer people than Styx.
Styx plays the non-hits that they wrote and pulls in more people than Dennis.
Maybe the hits really are shitty songs .
Styx wins again.

Some of you all really are clueless.

Styx has the brand name. They won it in court. Dennis does not. So Joe Blow dumb ass fan will recognize the band name and if you package 2 other bands with it, it might be enough for Joe Blow dumb ass fan to fork out $30-$40 bucks to see three bands. However, the fact that Styx has to tour with 2 other bands to draw any sort of crowd is pretty pathetic. Styx by themselves DOES NO BETTER than Dennis DeYoung's solo shows. They both can fill 1500-2000 seat halls. Period. That's all they have left.

dear god.

[Toph]

Some of you all really are clueless.

Styx has the brand name. They won it in court. Dennis does not. So Joe Blow dumb ass fan will recognize the band name and if you package 2 other bands with it, it might be enough for Joe Blow dumb ass fan to fork out $30-$40 bucks to see three bands. However, the fact that Styx has to tour with 2 other bands to draw any sort of crowd is pretty pathetic. Styx by themselves DOES NO BETTER than Dennis DeYoung's solo shows. They both can fill 1500-2000 seat halls. Period. That's all they have left.

The last three times I've seen Styx they were on their own. In fact, the only time I saw them with anybody was with REO and Journey. The only time I saw Dennis was in a half filled venue that hold about 2, 000 people, at most. After that, he was at the rib fest, and as far as I know, he hasn't been back. This year, Styx is with Foreigner at the fair, which seats 10,000 people...not three bands.

Styx sells here, Dennis doesn't. That is simply the bottom line. So, double dumb-ass on you.

You really are a fucking idiot. Styx without a Foruegner or Joirney or REO to drive sales can't sell any better than Dennis. They both fill the same type of halls. You can quote a DDY show that didn't sell well and I can do the same thing for XTS. The fact I the matter is that the numbers say otherwise. Styx has more
Sales in total because they do more shows because Tommy Shaw needs the cash. As a percent sell out, Styx does not better than DDY and that is with the brand name.

And the fact that you have yet to dispute despite your stupid comments about cheese an DDY, he was the reason for their success. He wrote and sang the biggest hits, he produced the albums, he wrote and sang more songs on every single successful album. Heck, he is even the reason that Tommy Shaw's best known song was even a hit (the foresight to realize that renegade would beer have made it as a CSY ballad).


In other words, you know these are facts, can't dispute them and so have to resort to other tactics. But the facts stand for themselves. And if Tommy Shaw is such a great writer and legend and didn't need DDY, where are all those hit records since DDY has been out of the band? Why can't the headline a tour? Answer - because they suck without DDY.

[Monker]

Styx without a Foruegner or Joirney or REO to drive sales can't sell any better than Dennis.

Ah, so you went from Styx needing two other bands to only needing one. That's an improvement, but it's still not reality.

They both fill the same type of halls.

Styx = selling tickets to fans for outside venues.
Dennis = selling tickets to rib fests who may want to hear some music in the background.

That's the way it is here...give it up.

You can quote a DDY show that didn't sell well and I can do the same thing for XTS.

No you can't. Not here anyways...because Dennis hasn't been back for about three years or more. He doesn't sell enough tickets to make it worth booking him.

And the fact that you have yet to dispute despite your stupid comments about cheese an DDY, he was the reason for their success. He wrote and sang the biggest hits, he produced the albums, he wrote and sang more songs on every single successful album. Heck, he is even the reason that Tommy Shaw's best known song was even a hit (the foresight to realize that renegade would beer have made it as a CSY ballad).

Please quote any comments I made about cheese...quit lying about things I have said.

and, yet Dennis can't sell tickets. He can't even have a real solo career by releasing albums and touring behind them. His solo career is a complete mediocre failure. So much for being THE reason for their success - as YOU said above. History definitely proves that one wrong.

Like I said, Styx isn't catering to 80's pop fans. They are catering to classic rock fans. Go look up the most played classic rock songs and you will not find "Babe", "Mr. Roboto", etc on those lists. You WILL find, "Renegade", "Too Much time", "Blue Collar Man", "Fooling Yourself"...along with..."Come Sail Away", "Grand Illusion". BTW, I already looked them up.

In short, you will see the set that Styx plays...not the one YOU WANT them to play.

In other words, you know these are facts, can't dispute them and so have to resort to other tactics. But the facts stand for themselves. And if Tommy Shaw is such a great writer and legend and didn't need DDY, where are all those hit records since DDY has been out of the band? Why can't the headline a tour? Answer - because they suck without DDY.

And, if they 'suck without DDY', they wouldn't be able to tour at all. So, you are obviously wrong about that, too.

[Toph]

Monker - Are you trying to look like an idiot? Because you're doing a pretty good job of it.

Fans want to see a band play its hits. That would be defined (as the band did) with their Greatest Hits album. So, for a Journey concert, fans will go expecting to hear the songs that are on Journey's Greatest Hits. For a Styx concert, fans go expecting to hear what is on the band's Greatest Hits album. If you go to a DDY show, you get 15 of the 16 songs that the band themselves considered hits (and let's face it, the one missing one, Miss America, was only put on that Greatest Hits album to appease JY - it should have been replaced by Rockin the Paradise, but I digress.) At a Styx concert, you are going to get maybe 7? That is a big difference.

You like to think of yourself as the average fan. Here's a hint pal, you aren't. You (or I for that matter) pay way more attention than the 2,000- 2,500 fans that are going to a Styx show just to see Styx. These people have bought Styx's greatest hits and recognize the band by those songs. Yes, there is Renegade and Too Much Time, but there is also Best of Times, Babe, Don't Let It End, Roboto, and Show Me The Way. In fact, usually when Styx is quoted in popular press it often is "Styx, noted for their songs Babe and Mr. Roboto." You don't ever see "Styx, noted for their songs Crystal Ball and Just Be."

And here's another hint for you, pal. Dennis certainly continues to sell out show on his own. Go look at his tour page if you haven't in a while. Full of dates. If he was doing so poorly as the bullshit spews out of your mouth, how is he getting so many dates?

Finally, between Styx and DDY, which act currently has a record contract? That's what I thought. Now STFU.

[Monker]

Fans want to see a band play its hits.

Bzzzzz, wrong.

Look at this forum, and the Journey forum. It's clear that "fans" are tired of hearing the "hits" and want the bands to take chances by player newer songs, or some of the off the GH CD songs.

What "Joe Dumb-ass" (your words) knows is what is familiar to him. What is familiar depends on what they listen to on the radio. Styx TARGETS classic rock fans...and the set they play is what is heard on classic rock radio. That is a simple FACT. Like I said, look it up and see how often "Babe" is performed on classic rock radio....it isn't.

You like to think of yourself as the average fan. Here's a hint pal, you aren't.

WTF? You're an alien, too? Do you have some kinda AI supercomputer tapping my cell phone and reading my mind?

You (or I for that matter) pay way more attention than the 2,000- 2,500 fans that are going to a Styx show just to see Styx. These people have bought Styx's greatest hits and recognize the band by those songs.

Holy shit! You not only can read my mind, but also can read the minds of tens of thousands of people who go to Styx concerts every year. What species are you? Repto-sapien, or just your average grey alien? Maybe a hybrid with a human?

You can't just be an ordinary human because ordinary humans can't read minds to know what Styx albums the average concert goer own, if they own any at all.

And here's another hint for you, pal. Dennis certainly continues to sell out show on his own. Go look at his tour page if you haven't in a while. Full of dates. If he was doing so poorly as the bullshit spews out of your mouth, how is he getting so many dates?

Maybe because he books dates in areas of the country that still want to see him. Because, I would be shocked if he has any dates in the Des Moines, Ia area. He simply does not sell here.

I would also be willing to bet that many, if not most, of those dates are at casinos and the like where admission is either free, or extremely low...or, at various festivals, etc. NOTHING wrong with this...but it's also nothing to brag about.

Finally, between Styx and DDY, which act currently has a record contract? That's what I thought. Now STFU.

Yeah, Dennis has the DVD deal with AXS. Big deal...Styx did that years ago with the CYO concert, then again with the PO8 concert. Again, not really anything to brag about....especially since Styx already did it - TWICE.

But, of course, you can use your alien superpowers to convince the world of anything you wish. So, whatever.

[Toph]

Well if Styx was the success you want to make them out to be, wouldn't record companies be lining up to sign them? Wouldn't AXS want another deal? Or maybe it was because they made so little money and that the band has such little creative direction that no one, yes no one, wants any part of that sinking ship? Come on Monker, answer that one question for me - if Styx is such a money machine, then how come no one has inked them to an album contract? Come one, inquiring minds want to know!

[Monker]

Well if Styx was the success you want to make them out to be, wouldn't record companies be lining up to sign them? Wouldn't AXS want another deal? Or maybe it was because they made so little money and that the band has such little creative direction that no one, yes no one, wants any part of that sinking ship? Come on Monker, answer that one question for me - if Styx is such a money machine, then how come no one has inked them to an album contract? Come one, inquiring minds want to know!

I know you're an alien and can read my mind and such...but before I answer your msg above:

Please show me a quote where I said Styx was this "money making machine". I do believe I have constantly and consistently said that Styx can do what they want, are happy doing what they want, and can make a living doing what they want. So, why change? I have not said they are getting all rich from it...that must be from someone elses mind that you have read.

You may be an alien, but you can't put words in MY mind. Go back to Zeta Reticuli and try it on your own kind.

[styxfansite]

A note from Dennis on the technical problem or what they thought was a technical problem.

Hey everybody,
We played Summerfest in Milwaukee this past Saturday night and as always the good people of Wisconsin turned out in mass to see me and the band. The temperature was near perfect. The only problem was what we thought at the time was a technical problem that had August running off stage and not playing part of two songs. Suddenly at the beginning of Best of Times this horrendous tone overwhelmed the entire stage and August thought it might be his guitar rig acting weird. It wasn't till after the show that we discovered a helicopter was hovering behind the stage causing the problem. Poor Auggy was running around with our road crew trying in vain to stop what appeared to me some crazy low feedback.

I guess I should be happy is was just a helicopter and not a drone.

REO was playing on a stage that faced ours so from time to time when the music stopped we could hear "Heard from a Friend who". Outside of the Ride of the Valkyrie during Best of Times it was a fantastic night.

This week we will playing in our hometown for the big fourth of July celebration in Elgin with Creedence Clearwater Revival. Then after that to the east coast for a very busy July.