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Re: Live in Poland

Postby St.George » Sun May 04, 2014 11:12 am

It's a new instrumental, written by Paich.
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Re: Live in Poland

Postby yulog » Mon May 05, 2014 1:09 pm

I'm just finishing listening to this release (and I'm not a big fan of live releases) but this sounds very good, Joe sounds very good on this release.
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Re: Live in Poland

Postby PMA » Tue May 06, 2014 9:41 am

Just watched this yesterday. Stellar performance by the band and in particular, Joseph. Sad that Simon Phillips has left as he has been a great replacement for Jeff for all the years since his passing.
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Re: Live in Poland

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Tue May 06, 2014 10:51 pm

Will probably have to order this online, as my trips to Best Buy, Wally World, and Target have all been unproductive. But I am used to this when it comes to bands I love. Any stateside fans been able to find a copy in a big box store?
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Re: Live in Poland

Postby WalrusOct9 » Wed May 07, 2014 3:27 am

Didn't even bother checking, just found one on ebay, under $20 including shipping, not bad.
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Re: Live in Poland

Postby G.I.Jim » Mon May 12, 2014 6:38 am

I bought it on Amazon a couple of days before the release for $14.98 or something close. They then sent an email the next day that I was getting a rebate. I got $3.00 off of that! So $11.00 with free shipping for the Blu-Ray!! :D I've watched it a couple of times, and this concert has the best video quality I've ever seen filmed live. It's beautiful and the sound quality is second to none as well!!!
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Re: Live in Poland

Postby Diffworlds » Thu May 15, 2014 10:04 pm

I have found both the CD and DVD in F.Y.E. Stores (but not both at the same store) otherwise no luck at Walmart, Best Buy, etc. Great music. Saw them in concert last year and that/this release has made me a bigger fan of the band. Really looking forward to a new release.

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Re: Live in Poland

Postby JohnH » Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:22 am

Watched and mostly listened to Roseanna off this- an amazing band still at the peak of their powers. No evidence of Pro Tooling or auto tune either.
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Re: Live in Poland

Postby JohnH » Sat Jun 07, 2014 2:56 pm

The coolest was meeting Joe and Eileen at Joe's club gig and telling Eileen how awesome the DVD is on tues night!
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Re: Live in Poland

Postby WalrusOct9 » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:18 am

Only thing that's bugging me about this release is the added 'song recognition cheers' at the beginning of seemingly every track. I mean, "How Many Times" is a cool song, but I guarantee the place didn't flip out when it started as if it was "Africa."
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Re: Live in Poland

Postby lordreo » Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:46 pm

WalrusOct9 wrote:Only thing that's bugging me about this release is the added 'song recognition cheers' at the beginning of seemingly every track. I mean, "How Many Times" is a cool song, but I guarantee the place didn't flip out when it started as if it was "Africa."

I was at the show two days prior to the recorded one and the audience flipped out at the start of EVERY song. Sure, they might have made sure you really hear it in the mix, but I'm pretty sure that's all real cheering.
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Re: Live in Poland

Postby WalrusOct9 » Tue Jul 15, 2014 1:05 am

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WalrusOct9 wrote:Only thing that's bugging me about this release is the added 'song recognition cheers' at the beginning of seemingly every track. I mean, "How Many Times" is a cool song, but I guarantee the place didn't flip out when it started as if it was "Africa."

I was at the show two days prior to the recorded one and the audience flipped out at the start of EVERY song. Sure, they might have made sure you really hear it in the mix, but I'm pretty sure that's all real cheering.


I'm surprised, but okay. But I've listened to enough live albums to know when the crowd noise is being artificially manipulated in the mix. This is like, at Kiss "Alive III" levels. Just a bit distracting when a song starts...
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Re: Live in Poland

Postby Andrew » Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:25 pm

WalrusOct9 wrote:Only thing that's bugging me about this release is the added 'song recognition cheers' at the beginning of seemingly every track. I mean, "How Many Times" is a cool song, but I guarantee the place didn't flip out when it started as if it was "Africa."


They did. Flip out that is. ZERO audience tweaking/mix enhancements. Fact. You're welcome :)
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Re: Live in Poland

Postby TotoFan77 » Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:54 am

This DVD is light years ahead of the FIB Live DVD. Thank you Luke for doing the right thing and releasing this without any edits whatsoever. I'm glad this DVD is doing well, it deserves to be successful.
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Re: Live in Poland

Postby G.I.Jim » Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:12 am

TotoFan77 wrote:This DVD is light years ahead of the FIB Live DVD. Thank you Luke for doing the right thing and releasing this without any edits whatsoever. I'm glad this DVD is doing well, it deserves to be successful.


Agreed! They're on top of their game right now and this concert was done amazingly. :D
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Re: Live in Poland

Postby WalrusOct9 » Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:57 am

TotoFan77 wrote:This DVD is light years ahead of the FIB Live DVD. Thank you Luke for doing the right thing and releasing this without any edits whatsoever. I'm glad this DVD is doing well, it deserves to be successful.


Agreed. Definitely the best of the three they put out. Now how 'bout some vault live stuff? 8)
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Re: Live in Poland

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:19 am

TotoFan77 wrote:This DVD is light years ahead of the FIB Live DVD. Thank you Luke for doing the right thing and releasing this without any edits whatsoever. I'm glad this DVD is doing well, it deserves to be successful.


The auto-tune is so bad on FIB. Not sure why they even released it. Should have scrapped it like the Coppenhagen dvd.
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Re: Live in Poland

Postby WalrusOct9 » Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:30 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
TotoFan77 wrote:This DVD is light years ahead of the FIB Live DVD. Thank you Luke for doing the right thing and releasing this without any edits whatsoever. I'm glad this DVD is doing well, it deserves to be successful.


The auto-tune is so bad on FIB. Not sure why they even released it. Should have scrapped it like the Coppenhagen dvd.


I always just sort of assumed the DVD was contractually obligated and it was easier to just release it than to try to get out of the deal (total speculation, but this happens fairly often). It's not bad, other than the auto-tune, but could've been a lot better (also could've included more Falling In Between songs to make the live release a bit less redundant after the previous several).
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Re: Live in Poland

Postby TotoFan77 » Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:29 am

Everything about the FIB DVD is terrible. The awful autotune, no Mike, no David, and fake background vocals on several songs. It's a shame because the LIA DVD from 4 years prior was amazing! I loved Live in Amsterdam.
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Re: Live in Poland

Postby WalrusOct9 » Fri Jul 25, 2014 12:21 am

TotoFan77 wrote:Everything about the FIB DVD is terrible. The awful autotune, no Mike, no David, and fake background vocals on several songs. It's a shame because the LIA DVD from 4 years prior was amazing! I loved Live in Amsterdam.


There was piped-in background vocals on LIA too, and clearly some studio fixes for Bobby's leads, but admittedly it sounded way less obvious than on FIB. And obviously David and Mike being there...great version of "Home Of The Brave" on that one.
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Re: Live in Poland

Postby TotoFan77 » Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:08 am

I never noticed any fixes with Bobby's vocals on LIA so that's good. I don't mind the occasional fix if it's not noticeable. As for the piped-in background vocals, yeah they were really bad on Africa but luckily, that was the only song. I didn't notice any fake vocals on any of the other tracks.
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Re: Live in Poland

Postby WalrusOct9 » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:51 am

They're there..."Home Of The Brave" and such. It's impossible to get that kind of vocal sound in the chorus without multiple background singers or some technology. (Hell, Journey's been doing that since 1981) I'm glad they went back to just hiring extra singers and having the whole thing be 100% live though. It's why their new DVD comes off so well, methinks.
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Re: Live in Poland

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:22 am

WalrusOct9 wrote:They're there..."Home Of The Brave" and such. It's impossible to get that kind of vocal sound in the chorus without multiple background singers or some technology. (Hell, Journey's been doing that since 1981) I'm glad they went back to just hiring extra singers and having the whole thing be 100% live though. It's why their new DVD comes off so well, methinks.


I never understood why the band didn't keep the extra singers in the Bobby era. Was it Bobby's pride? Did he greedily want a bigger share of the pie and didn't want to divvy up concert profits with back-up vocalists? Anything is better than miming. This applies to many rock bands btw. Yeh, I mean they had Tony Spinner...but imo, he barely could cut it on "Stop Loving You."
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Re: Live in Poland

Postby WalrusOct9 » Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:04 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:I never understood why the band didn't keep the extra singers in the Bobby era. Was it Bobby's pride? Did he greedily want a bigger share of the pie and didn't want to divvy up concert profits with back-up vocalists? Anything is better than miming. This applies to many rock bands btw. Yeh, I mean they had Tony Spinner...but imo, he barely could cut it on "Stop Loving You."



That's two extra salaries to pay. Toto was still big, but toured a LOT between '02 and '08...probably wasn't economically feasible to bring backup singers and the like on smaller shows, and it's more trouble than it's worth to have extra singers only around for certain shows. I totally get it...I saw Toto a couple times in LA and a couple times at the House Of Blues in Chicago during that era. All the shows seemed to do pretty well, but these were smaller venues and not exactly lucrative gigs, so I understand why it was this way.

I think stepping away from the band for a few years and getting Joseph back in the band gave Paich & Luke a bit of renewed energy, and a spirit of "hey, let's f'ing do this right this time."
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Re: Live in Poland

Postby TotoFan77 » Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:02 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
WalrusOct9 wrote:They're there..."Home Of The Brave" and such. It's impossible to get that kind of vocal sound in the chorus without multiple background singers or some technology. (Hell, Journey's been doing that since 1981) I'm glad they went back to just hiring extra singers and having the whole thing be 100% live though. It's why their new DVD comes off so well, methinks.


I never understood why the band didn't keep the extra singers in the Bobby era. Was it Bobby's pride? Did he greedily want a bigger share of the pie and didn't want to divvy up concert profits with back-up vocalists? Anything is better than miming. This applies to many rock bands btw. Yeh, I mean they had Tony Spinner...but imo, he barely could cut it on "Stop Loving You."


I have never understood what the point was of having Tony in the band. Even with his back-up vocals, they still used pre-recorded backing tracks and his rhythm guitar was pointless and didn't add anything. Luke is a guitar legend and has never needed a second guitarist on stage to help him. Tony's time in the band was bizarre, I don't miss him at all.
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Re: Live in Poland

Postby DracIsBack » Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:43 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
TotoFan77 wrote:This DVD is light years ahead of the FIB Live DVD. Thank you Luke for doing the right thing and releasing this without any edits whatsoever. I'm glad this DVD is doing well, it deserves to be successful.


The auto-tune is so bad on FIB. Not sure why they even released it. Should have scrapped it like the Coppenhagen dvd.


Naw - I like a lot of the tunes and arrangements on this dvd, despite the auto tune
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Re: Live in Poland

Postby WalrusOct9 » Fri Aug 01, 2014 7:39 am

TotoFan77 wrote:
I have never understood what the point was of having Tony in the band. Even with his back-up vocals, they still used pre-recorded backing tracks and his rhythm guitar was pointless and didn't add anything. Luke is a guitar legend and has never needed a second guitarist on stage to help him. Tony's time in the band was bizarre, I don't miss him at all.


Tony is pretty good at hitting high notes, and I didn't mind his "Stop Loving You" (Better than not playing it at all), but I think perhaps he was there to give the illusion of live backing vocals even when there were tapes ("Pamela," "Africa," etc). I mean, we're paying attention to this stuff, most people are just there to have a few drinks, hear some songs they know, and go home.
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Re: Live in Poland

Postby JohnH » Sun Aug 03, 2014 7:53 am

Bobby sounded fine to me in 2006, but it's different in person than listening or watching a recording. I just saw a live show from 2014 in Sofia and he was all over the place now I know why the auto tune. It was bad.
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Re: Live in Poland

Postby DracIsBack » Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:47 am

JohnH wrote:Bobby sounded fine to me in 2006, but it's different in person than listening or watching a recording. I just saw a live show from 2014 in Sofia and he was all over the place now I know why the auto tune. It was bad.


The thing with Bobby is that this isn't new. He's what a call a "yo-yo" singer. When he's "on", he sounds terrific. But when he's "off", he's really off-key.

When I saw then for the first time in concert in 2005, that was the reaction of someone who tagged along that wasn't a fan particularly. She flat out said, "some tunes, he sounds incredible. Others, he sounds terrible".

There's no question he's got incredible range and power (even now), but pitchiness live and clamming notes in concert is not a new thing for him. And it's ok - lots of singers are like that live ... and I've definitely heard worse live than Bobby Kimble.
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Re: Live in Poland

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:24 pm

DracIsBack wrote:
JohnH wrote:Bobby sounded fine to me in 2006, but it's different in person than listening or watching a recording. I just saw a live show from 2014 in Sofia and he was all over the place now I know why the auto tune. It was bad.


The thing with Bobby is that this isn't new. He's what a call a "yo-yo" singer. When he's "on", he sounds terrific. But when he's "off", he's really off-key.

When I saw then for the first time in concert in 2005, that was the reaction of someone who tagged along that wasn't a fan particularly. She flat out said, "some tunes, he sounds incredible. Others, he sounds terrible".

There's no question he's got incredible range and power (even now), but pitchiness live and clamming notes in concert is not a new thing for him. And it's ok - lots of singers are like that live ... and I've definitely heard worse live than Bobby Kimble.

Bobby, like many aging tenors, should probably leave the uptempo fast-paced rock tunes alone. I don't think he has sung "Hold The Line" properly in a decade. But on the slow stuff? Man, he still has a great bluesy tone to his voice. How can any self-respecting TOTO fan not hold a tiny special place for Bubba? The clip below showcases why TOTO could not continue on as it did in 2006. The spirit may be willing, but the voice is clearly burnt out. Love the passion tho. Like MeatLoaf, this dude will keep screaming till he has an aneurysm on stage and then he'll come out and mumble his way through the encore. Respect.

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