Could DeYoung and Shaw do something like this?

[Toph]

Not reunite Styx, but a) either work on each other's solo albums or b) come out as a duet. Very cool here what Lou Gramm and Mick Jones are doing.

http://classicrock.teamrock.com/news/20 ... udio-plans

[Boomchild]

I think the lawsuit brought by DDY killed the chance of any type of collaborative work between him and the other members of Styx. It seems like they were stunned by that move but I don't know what else they could expect based on their actions at the time. Also, it would not be profitable enough without the Styx name behind it. The days of these guys working together in any form or fashion is long over.

[Toph]

I think the lawsuit brought by DDY killed the chance of any type of collaborative work between him and the other members of Styx. It seems like they were stunned by that move but I don't know what else they could expect based on their actions at the time. Also, it would not be profitable enough without the Styx name behind it. The days of these guys working together in any form or fashion is long over.

Why then is it profitable enough for Gramm and Mick Jones to reunite but not Styx? You're talking out of both sides of your mouth...

[ztyxlynne]

I would hope there is a small chance. There has been worse fights over the years and people have gotten back together. Like the saying goes"time heals most wounds". I am always hoping Shaw comes to his senses and figures that he isn't getting any younger, and they have a lot of history together. I think TS &DDY voices go along great together. I would hope that without the pressure of the STYX name maybe there would be a chance.

[masque]

i dont think there is any really profitable income going to come from Jones and Gramm working together.....I think they are mostly doing it because maybe it's a good way to handle things at this point......both of them have endured life threatening health scares.........and those kinds of things help you prioritize things in life and something like (maybe past feuds), that once seemed so "important", really seem insignificant in comparison to losing your life. Gramm's health issue is older than Jones's but maybe it Mick's recent health scare that has helped open the door.

I have always felt and DDY confirmed in one of his interviews that regardless of how things ended in all of these bands that they DID have some great times together.......and probably at one time felt very close to each other. and in some cases, maybe they were even close friends.

so regardless of the bad blood that exists in most of these breakups there is always a chance that enough nostalgia will creep into their hearts to want to revisit spending time and creating with that person.

so while I think the possibility is very slim of seeing DDY and TS working together in the future, I do believe it is more possible than what we probably realize. but i aint holding my breath

[Toph]

i dont think there is any really profitable income going to come from Jones and Gramm working together.....I think they are mostly doing it because maybe it's a good way to handle things at this point......both of them have endured life threatening health scares.........and those kinds of things help you prioritize things in life and something like (maybe past feuds), that once seemed so "important", really seem insignificant in comparison to losing your life. Gramm's health issue is older than Jones's but maybe it Mick's recent health scare that has helped open the door.

I have always felt and DDY confirmed in one of his interviews that regardless of how things ended in all of these bands that they DID have some great times together.......and probably at one time felt very close to each other. and in some cases, maybe they were even close friends.

so regardless of the bad blood that exists in most of these breakups there is always a chance that enough nostalgia will creep into their hearts to want to revisit spending time and creating with that person.

so while I think the possibility is very slim of seeing DDY and TS working together in the future, I do believe it is more possible than what we probably realize. but i aint holding my breath

My feeling - at least based on some interviews, is that it is far more likely for DDY and TS to work together than it would be for DDY to reunite with Styx. Reason - its JY and DDY that have the biggest grudge and JY (with Chuck and TS) holds the name. I think JY actually hates (yes, that is a strong word) DDY at this point. I don't see any reconciliation there. However, DDY and TS both have said kinder things about each other in recent years. And quite frankly, no disrespect to JY, but having a DDY/TS reunion is what would hold the most intrigue for most Styx fans. Not sure if it would be profitable or not, but I think those two, since it appears they at least respect each other musically, should consider it, for the fans if nothing else.

[yogi]

Add Glen and maybe Jack Blades to the mix, use DDY's drummer and head to the studio.

I do believe that if father time doesn't catch up to em in the next few years Dennis and Tommy will work together again. They better hurry though. Father Time like...... is undefeated.

[Boomchild]

Why then is it profitable enough for Gramm and Mick Jones to reunite but not Styx? You're talking out of both sides of your mouth...

Other then your statement that the Gramm\Jones reunite is profitable you haven't shown hard numbers. So I call it speculation until you put up facts. In the case of DDY and TS from an outside of Styx perspective they both have not had stellar results. Add to that the bad blood it makes the possibility extremely remote to not a chance.

[Boomchild]

My feeling - at least based on some interviews, is that it is far more likely for DDY and TS to work together than it would be for DDY to reunite with Styx. Reason - its JY and DDY that have the biggest grudge and JY (with Chuck and TS) holds the name. I think JY actually hates (yes, that is a strong word) DDY at this point. I don't see any reconciliation there. However, DDY and TS both have said kinder things about each other in recent years. And quite frankly, no disrespect to JY, but having a DDY/TS reunion is what would hold the most intrigue for most Styx fans. Not sure if it would be profitable or not, but I think those two, since it appears they at least respect each other musically, should consider it, for the fans if nothing else.

In the case of JY and I think CP as well it's clear they have zero interest in working with DDY again ever. It seems to me all of them (TS, JY and CP) are extremely committed to sticking with Styx and only Styx as it is now. While Tommy seems to respect DDY from a musician standpoint, I think his feelings about him as person hasn't changed all that much. It seems to me that he has kept much of what he feels and thinks about DDY at this point to himself. So I think it's hard to determine exactly how he feels towards DDY at this point. If in a snowballs chance in hell this was to happen, I think it would be more centered around the money then anything else. I think it would have to be a lot of money and I don't see a project like this being that profitable or profitable at all. This of course is just my opinion which this whole thread is basically opinion and speculation at this point.

[Cassie May]

In the case of JY and I think CP as well it's clear they have zero interest in working with DDY again ever. It seems to me all of them (TS, JY and CP) are extremely committed to sticking with Styx and only Styx as it is now. While Tommy seems to respect DDY from a musician standpoint, I think his feelings about him as person hasn't changed all that much. It seems to me that he has kept much of what he feels and thinks about DDY at this point to himself. So I think it's hard to determine exactly how he feels towards DDY at this point. If in a snowballs chance in hell this was to happen, I think it would be more centered around the money then anything else. I think it would have to be a lot of money and I don't see a project like this being that profitable or profitable at all. This of course is just my opinion which this whole thread is basically opinion and speculation at this point.

I agree with this. Tommy does keep his feelings re Dennis pretty close to the vest. However, he was interviewed by Rolling Stone a year or two ago in which he basically stated that that ship had sailed. I personally don't see a full band reunion ever happening, and I don't see a collaboration between TS and DDY occurring, either. I really don't see what either of them would gain from it. They had their time to collaborate during the glory years, and Tommy has been quoted as saying he doesn't like to look back. I haven't even read anything about him collaborating with Jack Blades anymore, either. I wonder if his move to Nashville means that he is looking to do more in the bluegrass genre. Pure speculation on my part.

[ztyxlynne]

I also think that TS doesn't want to piss off JY. If I remember in Sterling's book he said if JY is pissed at you,better find another way to get on with you're life. It would probably make his standing in Styx pretty shaky. I would like to see them do something with DDY. Show that they can bury the hatchet, and also do something for the fans. What I can see is maybe DDY making a guest appearance at a show,maybe singing CSA with Gowen. That would be cool and that's all I want to see. Will they ever make a album, tour,no. I think maybe that would work. Then guest on a album if they ever make another solo record. I think DDY would be open to it,he has said that in the past. Tommy seems to be all about peace and love, well Tommy extend a olive branch to DDY! That's what the fans want!!!!!!!!

[Cassie May]

If anything, JY should worry about pissing off Tommy. I don't know how many fans would go see a Styx show led by JY, minus Tommy. I know I wouldn't.

[masque]

i think the point of the post above is not really so much tommy worrying about getting kicked out as much as "why go here" if his plans are to continue in styx with JY??? why bring about resentment and tension for a temporary project?

thats why I don't see it happening.

at their ages I honestly don't see them continuing to do this much longer anyway…….most people do eventually retire. and i just can't see them out on the road doing all these dates into their early and mid 70's anyway……..so that leaves what 2-5 years left for most of them anyway.

as much as we hate to think about this the end is truly coming in seeing styx and ddy out on the road doing tours for much longer.

[Toph]

i think the point of the post above is not really so much tommy worrying about getting kicked out as much as "why go here" if his plans are to continue in styx with JY??? why bring about resentment and tension for a temporary project?

thats why I don't see it happening.

at their ages I honestly don't see them continuing to do this much longer anyway…….most people do eventually retire. and i just can't see them out on the road doing all these dates into their early and mid 70's anyway……..so that leaves what 2-5 years left for most of them anyway.

as much as we hate to think about this the end is truly coming in seeing styx and ddy out on the road doing tours for much longer.

Ages -

Tommy - 61
JY - 64
DDY - 67

Tommy probably has a bit more time - especially since he gave up the drugs, probably extended his touring streak for a bit longer. Will that be in Styx or will it be country/bluegrass? That is the question. I see DDY becoming a Tony Bennett type act. Doing smaller lounge gigs in Vegas, Chicago, Quebec (see his 10 day Quebec tour during Christmas this year). As for JY, he just better hope that Tommy stays involved in Styx. Otherwise, he'll be retired (not voluntarily either...).

[Boomchild]

If anything, JY should worry about pissing off Tommy. I don't know how many fans would go see a Styx show led by JY, minus Tommy. I know I wouldn't.

I agree. If Tommy were to exit Styx at this point, the party would be over. JY is not the reason people are coming to see Styx. Never was, never will be.

[Monker]

if I were Tommy, I would simply ask "Why?" There is no real reason or motivation for him to work with DDY ever again.

[Toph]

if I were Tommy, I would simply ask "Why?" There is no real reason or motivation for him to work with DDY ever again.

Would you say the same thing about Perry with Schon/Cain?

[Boomchild]

if I were Tommy, I would simply ask "Why?" There is no real reason or motivation for him to work with DDY ever again.

Exactly. It's no secret that it wasn't a "love fest" between DDY and TS. While the musical end of the relationship maybe wasn't doomed to fail in Styx, the personal relationships between the members was. I just seems to me that throughout their whole time together there were always things lurking beneath the surface that bothered each one of them.

[ztyxlynne]

Do I expect DDY to make a guest appearance on a new TS album,no. It would be nice to see a similar situation that is going on over at the Journey camp. Again even maybe DDY making a guest appearance at a Styx show. I always wondered about TS and DDY relationship off stage. I look back at the Boarder show that TS did in Chicago where DDY came to visit. They both look like they enjoyed each others company.

[Boomchild]

Do I expect DDY to make a guest appearance on a new TS album,no. It would be nice to see a similar situation that is going on over at the Journey camp. Again even maybe DDY making a guest appearance at a Styx show. I always wondered about TS and DDY relationship off stage. I look back at the Boarder show that TS did in Chicago where DDY came to visit. They both look like they enjoyed each others company.

From what has been written about this subject, it seems outside of the band itself they really did not interact with each other all that much. It seems to me that Styx was run more like a business then a bunch of friends getting together to enjoy making music together.

[Toph]

if I were Tommy, I would simply ask "Why?" There is no real reason or motivation for him to work with DDY ever again.

Exactly. It's no secret that it wasn't a "love fest" between DDY and TS. While the musical end of the relationship maybe wasn't doomed to fail in Styx, the personal relationships between the members was. I just seems to me that throughout their whole time together there were always things lurking beneath the surface that bothered each one of them.

Hmm, you clearly haven't seen Tommy's Chicago Borders show.

[Toph]

Do I expect DDY to make a guest appearance on a new TS album,no. It would be nice to see a similar situation that is going on over at the Journey camp. Again even maybe DDY making a guest appearance at a Styx show. I always wondered about TS and DDY relationship off stage. I look back at the Boarder show that TS did in Chicago where DDY came to visit. They both look like they enjoyed each others company.

From what has been written about this subject, it seems outside of the band itself they really did not interact with each other all that much. It seems to me that Styx was run more like a business then a bunch of friends getting together to enjoy making music together.

You didn't address the Borders show. Or does it not fit with pre-arranged position?

[yogi]

The Borders shows were AWESOME!!

[Cassie May]

From everything I have ever read in 35+ years, Tommy and Dennis were not particularly close outside the band. None of them were, outside the brothers, of course. I read an interview by Tommy in which he said that in all the years he lived in Michigan, Dennis was there only once. Tommy was from a background of bands that had extreme camaraderie as they traveled the country, working and playing and partying together, even crashing on each other's couches. Styx was never like that. It was businesslike. Everyone likes to romanticize that their favorite bands are all the best of buds, but in the majority of cases, it's just not so.

As for the Borders show, so what? Dennis stopped by and sang with a bandmate. They joked and got along well. Again, so what? Just shows that they were able to set aside past differences and feelings for an afternoon. Showed maturity on both their parts.

[Toph]

Wrong Cassie! It shows that Dennis thought enough of Tommy that he would head to downtown Chicago a pretty good distance from his home for no pay and sing some songs with him. If he was just in it for the business angle, he'd never have done that. This was less than a year before the breakup and they seemed to respect, if not genuinely like each other. If not, why would DDY even have shown up? Ironically, JY is not there!

Fact of the matter is even if they didn't have a lot in common, they respected the heck out of each other.

[Boomchild]

Do I expect DDY to make a guest appearance on a new TS album,no. It would be nice to see a similar situation that is going on over at the Journey camp. Again even maybe DDY making a guest appearance at a Styx show. I always wondered about TS and DDY relationship off stage. I look back at the Boarder show that TS did in Chicago where DDY came to visit. They both look like they enjoyed each others company.

From what has been written about this subject, it seems outside of the band itself they really did not interact with each other all that much. It seems to me that Styx was run more like a business then a bunch of friends getting together to enjoy making music together.

You didn't address the Borders show. Or does it not fit with pre-arranged position?

Didn't realize that I was asked to address the Borders show. So I will. Yes, I have seen the clips on YT from that event. I have also seen clips on YT of Styx shows and went to Styx shows. If I was to use that as the only basis of my opinion then I would think that everything was hunky dory between all of them. That does not negate what they may feel about each other beyond the professional and the image portrayed in public. If we were to take things at face value, such as the Borders appearance, then it seems DDY was very supportive of TS' projects outside of Styx. In turn TS disparages DDY's outside projects (i.e. Hunchback) in that, he should be focused on Styx and Styx only.

[Boomchild]

Wrong Cassie! It shows that Dennis thought enough of Tommy that he would head to downtown Chicago a pretty good distance from his home for no pay and sing some songs with him. If he was just in it for the business angle, he'd never have done that. This was less than a year before the breakup and they seemed to respect, if not genuinely like each other. If not, why would DDY even have shown up? Ironically, JY is not there!

Fact of the matter is even if they didn't have a lot in common, they respected the heck out of each other.

Unless you know the detailed particulars of how the Borders appearance came about it would be speculation on anybody's part. Granted I believe on a professional level they had respect for each other. Maybe for Dennis it was more then that. That doesn't mean that TS felt exactly the same way back towards DDY. Let me ask you this, if you were TS and were trying to promote your latest project and knew that having DDY do a impromptu session would help promote said project, would you turn it down?

[Toph]

Wrong Cassie! It shows that Dennis thought enough of Tommy that he would head to downtown Chicago a pretty good distance from his home for no pay and sing some songs with him. If he was just in it for the business angle, he'd never have done that. This was less than a year before the breakup and they seemed to respect, if not genuinely like each other. If not, why would DDY even have shown up? Ironically, JY is not there!

Fact of the matter is even if they didn't have a lot in common, they respected the heck out of each other.

Unless you know the detailed particulars of how the Borders appearance came about it would be speculation on anybody's part. Granted I believe on a professional level they had respect for each other. Maybe for Dennis it was more then that. That doesn't mean that TS felt exactly the same way back towards DDY. Let me ask you this, if you were TS and were trying to promote your latest project and knew that having DDY do a impromptu session would help promote said project, would you turn it down?

And you don't have particulars otherwise, but if you look at the body language you can see that they are genuinely enjoying each other - that is not an act.

[Boomchild]

And you don't have particulars otherwise, but if you look at the body language you can see that they are genuinely enjoying each other - that is not an act.

No. I don't have the facts. Never claimed that I did. That's why I said it's anybody's speculation. I also said that it appears they respect for each other on a professional level which I think would include enjoying performing together. But, on a personal level it could be a different story or not so warm and fuzzy. Ever work with someone that produced good results and was enjoyable but it wouldn't be someone you would like to hang out with outside of work? Here's another example, TS was not willing to give DDY time he was asking for before going out on the road for the BNW tour. I think that gives you glimpse about how he feels about DDY on a personal level. It was screw you we ain't waiting for you. Now does that sound like someone that has a lot of personal respect for someone that is a founding member of the band as well as gave you the biggest break of your entire career?

[FormerDJMike]

The Borders show reminded me that Dennis even showed up to on of the JYG's shows in support of Raised By Wolves and sang "Rockin' The Paradise" with them.