New lyrics to Goodbye Roseland

[Toph]

Who are these idiots that run their website? What are these lyrics from. This is embarrassing....

https://www.styxworld.com/music/lyrics/goodbye-roseland

[Diffworlds]

Isn't that the Hammer-Schon song " Goodbye"? I can hear Burtnik's voice but can't remember which album it is from.

[ztyxlynne]

Wow to butcher the lyrics on probably the best song on that album. Who the hell is running that web aite??

[Toph]

The entire website is a joke. I used to think it was spitefulness and pettiness (not including Dennis in the band's history), and I'm sure much of it still is, but I think incompetence is running a close second.

[gr8dane]

The entire website is a joke. I used to think it was spitefulness and pettiness (not including Dennis in the band's history), and I'm sure much of it still is, but I think incompetence is running a close second.

I think they do it to wind up the tophers,boomers,froys and von bielskies out there.

Then they have a great laugh.
Like I do.

[Toph]

The entire website is a joke. I used to think it was spitefulness and pettiness (not including Dennis in the band's history), and I'm sure much of it still is, but I think incompetence is running a close second.

I think they do it to wind up the tophers,boomers,froys and von bielskies out there.

Then they have a great laugh.
Like I do.

Would that be the same type of laugh DDY has every time he cashes the check that he gets from the latest concert Styx has played?

[gr8dane]

The entire website is a joke. I used to think it was spitefulness and pettiness (not including Dennis in the band's history), and I'm sure much of it still is, but I think incompetence is running a close second.

I think they do it to wind up the tophers,boomers,froys and von bielskies out there.

Then they have a great laugh.
Like I do.

Would that be the same type of laugh DDY has every time he cashes the check that he gets from the latest concert Styx has played?

Ehh,no.
I think Dennis would rather be paid for being in Styx,than being paid to not be in Styx.
I also think,that deep down Dennis wishes he had done a few things differently.
Don't you think ?

[Toph]

Maybe. Everyone has regrets. Do you think that deep down Tommy Shaw wishes he had done some things differently? Like maybe not torpedoing their career in the 80s because of his drug addiction?

[gr8dane]

Maybe. Everyone has regrets. Do you think that deep down Tommy Shaw wishes he had done some things differently? Like maybe not torpedoing their career in the 80s because of his drug addiction?

Regrets,no regrets.Drugs ,no drugs.
Dennis was getting himself fired,not Tommy.
Come to think of it.Maybe if Dennis had a spliff every now and then,
he would have been a little more relaxed in his working environment.

[ztyxlynne]

What ever happened in the past Iam so sick of seeing bands trying to erase part of there history. VH taking pics of Michael Anthony off of albums,Styx taking away DDY on there web sites. Do these band think we are stupid? All it takes in Styx case is look at the song writing credits? I do believe DDY tried to make amends on his last album. Listen to the words. Its like they where written for Tommy. What ever the case its petty and plane stupid. Tommy talks about how Babe split the audience,well what they are doing is adding fuel to the fire. Just asing my 2 cents.

[Toph]

Maybe. Everyone has regrets. Do you think that deep down Tommy Shaw wishes he had done some things differently? Like maybe not torpedoing their career in the 80s because of his drug addiction?

Regrets,no regrets.Drugs ,no drugs.
Dennis was getting himself fired,not Tommy.
Come to think of it.Maybe if Dennis had a spliff every now and then,
he would have been a little more relaxed in his working environment.

The fact of the matter, whether you choose to admit to it or not, is that Tommy's drug addiction led to self and band destructing behavior. His childish temper tantrums (Don't release First Time or I'll quit, Don't release Haven't We Been Here Before or I'll quit) and his lack of productivity on such albums as Paradise Theatre (only 2 songs, one of which was She Cares) and Kilroy (No rock song from Tommy on that album whatsoever - heck Tommy's last rock tune with Styx was on Pieces of Eight). Of course, it was Tommy that broke up the band by leaving - in fact leaving before the Kilroy tour was even over, costing the band lots of $$$. It was Tommy that wouldn't reunite after the first solo albums. It was Tommy that wouldn't reunite after the second solo albums. It was Tommy who lied (imagine that) and told Styx he was returning after the 3rd solo albums when he already had signed a deal with Damn Yankees.

As far as your recommendation that DDY engage in cocaine usage, that's what I would expect from you. I personally respect the hell out of DDY for never letting himself get involved in that type of behavior.

[Baron Von Bielski]

The entire website is a joke. I used to think it was spitefulness and pettiness (not including Dennis in the band's history), and I'm sure much of it still is, but I think incompetence is running a close second.

I think they do it to wind up the tophers,boomers,froys and von bielskies out there.

Then they have a great laugh.
Like I do.

Would that be the same type of laugh DDY has every time he cashes the check that he gets from the latest concert Styx has played?

Wind me up? Yeah, cuz I post on here so much. Good luck with that.

[Monker]

It was Tommy that wouldn't reunite after the first solo albums. It was Tommy that wouldn't reunite after the second solo albums. It was Tommy who lied (imagine that) and told Styx he was returning after the 3rd solo albums when he already had signed a deal with Damn Yankees.

You are so full of shit.

There are interviews with both Tommy and Dennis where it is said Tommy called Dennis several times asking about a Styx reunion because his solo contract was over and he wanted to work. In fact, I think it's in one of Dennis' interviews ON THIS SITE where *DENNIS* said he received a call from Tommy asking about a reunion and DENNIS said he was busy with doing promo and such (or whatever) for his last solo album and couldn't commit to it. Tommy told Dennis that he had this thing with Ted Nugent and Jack Blades...AND DENNIS TOLD TOMMY to do it. Then Dennis goes on to say that these (several) conversations with Tommy is what got the ball rolling for what eventually became EotC. By the time Dennis was ready to do it, Tommy was in DY (because HE TOLD HIM TO DO IT) but they went ahead anyway because the groundwork had already been started.

And, BTW, Tommy credits Ted Nugent for helping him get off the drugs. So, if things had not worked out the way they did the drug use may have continued...and DY's albums are MUCH more to my liking than EotC.

And, I understand "Kiss Me Hello" was written about Tommy making the decision to leave Styx. It was not something he took lightly, obviously. But, he wanted off the crazy ship...because had his fill of the Captain.

If you had things to do over
Would you do them just the same?
Would you maybe see yourself
As just a player in the game?

And if hindsight's twenty-twenty
Would it help you see at all?
Would you never try the mountain?
Are you too afraid you'd fall?

And what would you do for the money?
What would you do for fun?
Would you leave yourself defenseless?
Would you get yourself a gun?

Ooh, kiss me hello
Ooh, kiss me hello

Outside it's pouring and there's no use in ignoring
That I've stayed too long
My hands are shaking, but I can't control my feet
They're making tracks for the door

Do you think you'd try the backroads?
Maybe ones less clearly marked?
Would you make love in the daylight?
Would you come out of the dark?

Would you hold your thoughts in silence?
Would you free them with a shout?
Would you demonstrate your patience
While your destiny's dealt out?

Ooh, kiss me hello
Ooh, kiss me hello

Outside it's pouring and there's no use in ignoring
That I've stayed too long
My hands are shaking, but I can't control my feet
They're making tracks for the door

Outside it's pouring and there's no use in ignoring
That I've stayed too long
My hands are shaking, but I can't control my feet
They're making tracks for the door

No more complaining, no refraining from the way
I really wanted to go
Wish me good luck, kiss me hello, I'm here to stay
I only needed to know

Kiss me hello

[Toph]

No, you are full of shit.

In your mind, Tommy can do no wrong. Yet, he personally is responsible for both Cornerstone not being even bigger (the toddler temper tantrum about First Time) and for Kilroy losing all momentum. Two things killed Kilroy's momentum. A lack of a compelling third single (Tommy - yet another toddler tantrum about HWBHB) and oh, putting a tour on hiatus RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TOUR because a stoned out of his mind guitarist decided to punch out a window in a fit of immature rage and break his hand.

I couldn't care less about Kiss Me Hello. Poor Tommy the victim here? Give me a fucking break! He was a major cause of the dysfunction and for you to pin it all on DDY just shows how far up your nose is up Tommy's butt.

[gr8dane]

No, you are full of shit.

In your mind, Tommy can do no wrong. Yet, he personally is responsible for both Cornerstone not being even bigger (the toddler temper tantrum about First Time) and for Kilroy losing all momentum. Two things killed Kilroy's momentum. A lack of a compelling third single (Tommy - yet another toddler tantrum about HWBHB) and oh, putting a tour on hiatus RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TOUR because a stoned out of his mind guitarist decided to punch out a window in a fit of immature rage and break his hand.

I couldn't care less about Kiss Me Hello. Poor Tommy the victim here? Give me a fucking break! He was a major cause of the dysfunction and for you to pin it all on DDY just shows how far up your nose is up Tommy's butt.

Actually ,just on top of my head 2 things Tommy did wrong.

First he allowed Babe to be released as a single.It's one of the 2 worst Styx songs up to this point.The other being First Time.
Big mistake.
Secondly.You are right toph,he shouldn't have put his hand through that window.Instead he should have started wearing sun glasses all the time,stand under an umbrella when on stage and then stop all together, as he could not be under the spots anymore.

[Monker]

Oh, knock it off, you imp. You are caught in a bold faced lie with your crap about Tommy and the reunion.

So, the only thing you have to say is to puke up Dennis' bathwater by repeating his biased lines of alternate history if such and such would have only happened. Repeating such inventions as if they were fact only shows how you tend to believe someone elses fantasy is actually a factual reality. it's NOT, it's made up bullshit fiction.

Cornerstone and Kilroy are mediocre albums at best...and Styx is lucky they sold as well as they did, or had any hit singles at all.

"Kiss Me Hello" tell how Tommy was feeling when he left Styx.

"Cold War" tell how Tommy was feeling while he was there.

The fact is, the ship was on a crazy cruise, and Dennis was Captain.

No, you are full of shit.

In your mind, Tommy can do no wrong. Yet, he personally is responsible for both Cornerstone not being even bigger (the toddler temper tantrum about First Time) and for Kilroy losing all momentum. Two things killed Kilroy's momentum. A lack of a compelling third single (Tommy - yet another toddler tantrum about HWBHB) and oh, putting a tour on hiatus RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TOUR because a stoned out of his mind guitarist decided to punch out a window in a fit of immature rage and break his hand.

I couldn't care less about Kiss Me Hello. Poor Tommy the victim here? Give me a fucking break! He was a major cause of the dysfunction and for you to pin it all on DDY just shows how far up your nose is up Tommy's butt.

[Monker]

No, you are full of shit.

In your mind, Tommy can do no wrong. Yet, he personally is responsible for both Cornerstone not being even bigger (the toddler temper tantrum about First Time) and for Kilroy losing all momentum. Two things killed Kilroy's momentum. A lack of a compelling third single (Tommy - yet another toddler tantrum about HWBHB) and oh, putting a tour on hiatus RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TOUR because a stoned out of his mind guitarist decided to punch out a window in a fit of immature rage and break his hand.

I couldn't care less about Kiss Me Hello. Poor Tommy the victim here? Give me a fucking break! He was a major cause of the dysfunction and for you to pin it all on DDY just shows how far up your nose is up Tommy's butt.

Actually ,just on top of my head 2 things Tommy did wrong.

First he allowed Babe to be released as a single.It's one of the 2 worst Styx songs up to this point.The other being First Time.
Big mistake.
Secondly.You are right toph,he shouldn't have put his hand through that window.Instead he should have started wearing sun glasses all the time,stand under an umbrella when on stage and then stop all together, as he could not be under the spots anymore.

The biggest mistake Tommy made was not wearing his Roboto costume when putting his had through that window. He may have saved his hand that way...but Dennis would have probably fired him anyway for scratching the costume.

[Toph]

Monker - you really are pathethic. When you don't have a response, you curl up in a ball and go into attack mode. No bold face lies - that's your department. And I notice you still haven't addressed Tommy Shaw's destructive influence on the band. I guess you just excuse that. Pathetic.

[Toph]

Oh, knock it off, you imp. You are caught in a bold faced lie with your crap about Tommy and the reunion.

So, the only thing you have to say is to puke up Dennis' bathwater by repeating his biased lines of alternate history if such and such would have only happened. Repeating such inventions as if they were fact only shows how you tend to believe someone elses fantasy is actually a factual reality. it's NOT, it's made up bullshit fiction.

Cornerstone and Kilroy are mediocre albums at best...and Styx is lucky they sold as well as they did, or had any hit singles at all.

"Kiss Me Hello" tell how Tommy was feeling when he left Styx.

"Cold War" tell how Tommy was feeling while he was there.

The fact is, the ship was on a crazy cruise, and Dennis was Captain.

No, you are full of shit.

In your mind, Tommy can do no wrong. Yet, he personally is responsible for both Cornerstone not being even bigger (the toddler temper tantrum about First Time) and for Kilroy losing all momentum. Two things killed Kilroy's momentum. A lack of a compelling third single (Tommy - yet another toddler tantrum about HWBHB) and oh, putting a tour on hiatus RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TOUR because a stoned out of his mind guitarist decided to punch out a window in a fit of immature rage and break his hand.

I couldn't care less about Kiss Me Hello. Poor Tommy the victim here? Give me a fucking break! He was a major cause of the dysfunction and for you to pin it all on DDY just shows how far up your nose is up Tommy's butt.

Dennis's story has never changed. Tommys changes all the time. Hard to keep the lies straight for your hero.

[Monker]

Oh, knock it off, you imp. You are caught in a bold faced lie with your crap about Tommy and the reunion.

So, the only thing you have to say is to puke up Dennis' bathwater by repeating his biased lines of alternate history if such and such would have only happened. Repeating such inventions as if they were fact only shows how you tend to believe someone elses fantasy is actually a factual reality. it's NOT, it's made up bullshit fiction.

Cornerstone and Kilroy are mediocre albums at best...and Styx is lucky they sold as well as they did, or had any hit singles at all.

"Kiss Me Hello" tell how Tommy was feeling when he left Styx.

"Cold War" tell how Tommy was feeling while he was there.

The fact is, the ship was on a crazy cruise, and Dennis was Captain.

No, you are full of shit.

In your mind, Tommy can do no wrong. Yet, he personally is responsible for both Cornerstone not being even bigger (the toddler temper tantrum about First Time) and for Kilroy losing all momentum. Two things killed Kilroy's momentum. A lack of a compelling third single (Tommy - yet another toddler tantrum about HWBHB) and oh, putting a tour on hiatus RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TOUR because a stoned out of his mind guitarist decided to punch out a window in a fit of immature rage and break his hand.

I couldn't care less about Kiss Me Hello. Poor Tommy the victim here? Give me a fucking break! He was a major cause of the dysfunction and for you to pin it all on DDY just shows how far up your nose is up Tommy's butt.

Dennis's story has never changed. Tommys changes all the time. Hard to keep the lies straight for your hero.

Good....I'm glad Dennis is so credible because his interview on this site proves your post about Tommy and the reunion is an absolute lie.

[Toph]

You must be doing blow with Tommy Shaw because you make absolutely no sense.

[yogi]

The Monk is 100% correct on the fact that Tommy did call Dennis to get the band back together but Dennis could not commit because his new label(MCA?) was in the process of promoting DDY's Boomchild album. Then the label(MCA?) was sold to a group that was anti Dennis & anti Styx and they pretty much trashed the promos so Dennis and the Boomchild album & tour got completely screwed. By the time Dennis was free for the Styx reunion that Tommy wanted Tommy had committed to Damn Yankees. These are facts as Dennis stated. I actually have them on a recorded CD somewhere where Dennis did an audio show that I purchased off of EBay.

It was just bad timing.

After that on the Damn Yankees tour Tommy & Jack started doing their bit when Tommy would rip Babe & Jack would rip Sister Christian this is what started the bad blood brewing all over again. The elevator by chance meeting during Styx's Edge Tour occured and all was forgotten and led to The Return To Paradise Reunion.

We all then know what happened next........................

Or do we really????????????

[Toph]

The Monk is 100% correct on the fact that Tommy did call Dennis to get the band back together but Dennis could not commit because his new label(MCA?) was in the process of promoting DDY's Boomchild album. Then the label(MCA?) was sold to a group that was anti Dennis & anti Styx and they pretty much trashed the promos so Dennis and the Boomchild album & tour got completely screwed. By the time Dennis was free for the Styx reunion that Tommy wanted Tommy had committed to Damn Yankees. These are facts as Dennis stated. I actually have them on a recorded CD somewhere where Dennis did an audio show that I purchased off of EBay.

It was just bad timing.

After that on the Damn Yankees tour Tommy & Jack started doing their bit when Tommy would rip Babe & Jack would rip Sister Christian this is what started the bad blood brewing all over again. The elevator by chance meeting during Styx's Edge Tour occured and all was forgotten and led to The Return To Paradise Reunion.

We all then know what happened next........................

Or do we really????????????

Tommy told JY that he was committed to doing a new Styx album when he had already signed a contract with Damn Yankees.

[Boomchild]

Tommy told JY that he was committed to doing a new Styx album when he had already signed a contract with Damn Yankees.

What is your source for this information? I have never seen or heard this. As others have said, what DDY has said about Tommy's attempt to regroup with Styx is what occurred. Meaning Tommy was interested but DDY had his commitment to MCA for the Boomchild release. That is when TS received the offer to work with Ted Nugent and Jack Blades which became DY. TS talked to DDY about the situation and it was DDY who told TS he wasn't going to tell him not to take the offer. So clearly it was DDY's commitment to MCA that stood in the way of a reunion at that time. Which is not saying that DDY nor TS did anything wrong. DDY didn't know that TS was interested in a reunion and TS didn't know DDY had a commitment to MCA. Since DDY has been very consistent in his story line I tend to believe this is exactly what happened.

[yogi]

Toph, These facts are straight out of DDY's mouth from an interview I have heard and own. Tommy, JY, Chuck & Todd are not even interviewed. If I remember correctly this interview was done before their 30TH Anniversary of their 'The Grand Illusion Tour'.

What Dennis stated was, when Tommy wanted to get the band back together he couldn't because of MCA Boomchild commitments, and then when he was ready Tommy couldn't because he was committed to Damn Yankees.

Straight out of Dennis's mouth it was all 'just bad timing'.

[Toph]

From the Grand Delusion, pg 216

Steven A. Jones: There was a whole different deal where Tommy wanted to be in it, and he was quoted in the papers as saying it was about to happen. Meanwhile, I think he had represented it some other way to Dennis, and finally Dennis got aggravated and said, "Well, we'll put the band together, and Tommy can choose whether he wants to be in it or not." I just know that they were talking with him and they felt that somehow he was not representing his true position, is a diplomatic way of putting it. That he was still negotiating to be in the band when he couldn't be in the band. That he was just...I think "stringing them along" would be a little harsh, but that is what it sounded like to me....

Pg 217 - In the meantime, the other four members of Styx had reached a tentative deal regarding a reunion, and Dennis DeYoung called Tommy in LA to tell him to get ready to come to Chicago to start pre-production on a new Styx record. The call actually came on the first day of Tommy's new band Damn Yankees recording its debut album, and Tommy had to tell a disappointed DeYoung that he had already made a commitment elsewhere. The news drove another wedge between Shaw and the other musicians.

Tommy Shaw - I think JY was really mad because when I joined Damn Yankees, I had been discussing rejoining Styx....

[yogi]

Correct. The timing was bad. When Tommy wanted the band back together Dennis could not do it and when Dennis finally could and was ready to record Tommy had just starting recording the Damn Yankees album.

I'm sure JY along with Chuck & John were pissed since Dennis had stated that there would not be a Styx without Tommy and now Tommy had committed to Damn Yankees.

Like Dennis has stated the timing was off because first he could not get back with Styx when Tommy wanted to, then Tommy couldn't when Dennis could.

[Toph]

Correct. The timing was bad. When Tommy wanted the band back together Dennis could not do it and when Dennis finally could and was ready to record Tommy had just starting recording the Damn Yankees album.

I'm sure JY along with Chuck & John were pissed since Dennis had stated that there would not be a Styx without Tommy and now Tommy had committed to Damn Yankees.

Like Dennis has stated the timing was off because first he could not get back with Styx when Tommy wanted to, then Tommy couldn't when Dennis could.

You're missing the point.Tommy, as he was wont to do in some many other dealings with the band, at best, misled them into believing he was on board, when, in fact, he was already signed to Damn Yankees. Some would call it a bold faced lie...

[yogi]

No you are missing the point which came straight out of Dennis's mouth.

Tommy originally called Dennis to get the band back together and Dennis could NOT commit due to his Boomchild MCA commitments.

I have not a clue how long Tommy waited or how long Dennis's commitments had Dennis tied up. It was not talked about on the CD I have with Dennis telling the story. But once Dennis was free to pursue his interests in Styx Tommy was not as he had moved on and was working with Ted Nugent, Jack Blades etc with Damn Yankees.

That's it and that's the story. When Tommy could Dennis couldn't and when Dennis could Tommy couldn't. The way I also read it was there was no hard feelings between Tommy and Dennis as they both understood the situations.


I'm sure JY, Chuck and John were not happy as Tommy & Dennis were the main cogs in the band. As big as Out On A Day Pass was (3 burgers each from Burger King) , You know they needed Dennis and Tommy to bring in the $$$$$.

[Monker]

What this sounds like to me is this Steven guy didn't have all the facts and is filling it in with opinion. When Tommy's contract was over, HE CALLED DENNIS. That is established FACT that both Dennis and Tommy agree with and stated in several interviews. It is also established FACT that Dennis was committed to Boomchild when Tommy called. Both Tommy and Dennis have said so in interviews.

From the Grand Delusion, pg 216

Steven A. Jones: There was a whole different deal where Tommy wanted to be in it, and he was quoted in the papers as saying it was about to happen. Meanwhile, I think he had represented it some other way to Dennis, and finally Dennis got aggravated and said, "Well, we'll put the band together, and Tommy can choose whether he wants to be in it or not." I just know that they were talking with him and they felt that somehow he was not representing his true position, is a diplomatic way of putting it. That he was still negotiating to be in the band when he couldn't be in the band. That he was just...I think "stringing them along" would be a little harsh, but that is what it sounded like to me....

Pg 217 - In the meantime, the other four members of Styx had reached a tentative deal regarding a reunion, and Dennis DeYoung called Tommy in LA to tell him to get ready to come to Chicago to start pre-production on a new Styx record. The call actually came on the first day of Tommy's new band Damn Yankees recording its debut album, and Tommy had to tell a disappointed DeYoung that he had already made a commitment elsewhere. The news drove another wedge between Shaw and the other musicians.

Tommy Shaw - I think JY was really mad because when I joined Damn Yankees, I had been discussing rejoining Styx....