New lyrics to Goodbye Roseland

[Toph]

If people think about it, Hunchback had been a thing for Dennis from the early 90's through the PBS tour and orchestra shwws. Around 15 years of promoting the show and pitching it to get a production going. Hatchback was his baby and I doubt anything was as important to him artistically. It is also silly to compare anything Tommy or JY did to Hunchback.

Bloomfield is right. Dennis thought he could do both...and he couldn't. But, imo, if he had to choose between Stys and Hunchback, hunchback would have won. And, in a way, that is exactly what happened. The point is, if he had given 100 percent to Styx, he would not have found himself in a position of being forced out of the band. I mean, one of his final contributions to the band is a Hunchback song on BNW. IT can't get more obvious than that.

You all just excuse Tommy and JY's behavior - almost like Dennis had it coming to him. You are so far off even being remotely connected to reality that I just can't fathom it.

[yogi]

On their Return To Paradise album the 3 new songs on it were On My Way & Dear John ( Tommy ) and DDY's 'Paradise' which was also a song from Hunchback.

On a side not 'Paradise' was an AWESOME ballad that Dennis & the Boyz 'Styxified' from its original Hunchback(Dawn Marie version). IMO it easily would have been a top 10 hit back in the day.

All three of those new songs were AWESOME and an entire album sure should of been completed soon after their Return To Paradise Tour.

They clearly were in top form back then. They never sounded better!

[Monker]

Wow, anyone home? You are charging Dennis with not putting the band first. My point is that he did.

The point is that he didn't. If he did, regardless if they were not supposed to be on the the road in '97 he would have been focused on Styx only business since they had just regrouped and were planning a new album release. If Styx was so much the love of his life he wouldn't have involved himself in something other then Styx. So this may have put his then and future commitment to Styx in question with the other members. Hence another reason they may have decided to move on without him. Seems to me that if Styx was so important to DDY he would have not gotten into any other projects at the same time as trying to forge a renewed Styx. So that is my take on it and you have yours. Simple as that.

No, get your nose out of Tommy's ass. Why don't you blame him for doing solo album? Or for Damn Yankees? Or for fucking up their career from 1979-1983? For fucking up the Kilroy tour? So, again, I'll ask you Tommy-drooler, where is Tommy's allegiance? Love how you excuse everything Tommy does just to blame DeYoung.

7DZ is not even comparable.

First it had no negative impact on Styx whatsoever.
An album is no where near as time consuming as attempting to get a musical on Broadway, obviously.
Tommy didn't split his time between writing, recording, and touring for 7DZ and doing the same for Styx. He did 7DZ and then went right into Styx.
The effort to do 7DZ didn't burn Tommy out. If anything, it energized him. I remember reading his blog posts back then and he seemed pretty enthused about jumping into Styx mode.

If anything 7DZ reminded Tommy of just positive the creative process can be and had him anticipating the same for the Styx reunion. There was no negativity coming from Tommy AT ALL at that time.

[Boomchild]

No, get your nose out of Tommy's ass. Why don't you blame him for doing solo album? Or for Damn Yankees? Or for fucking up their career from 1979-1983? For fucking up the Kilroy tour? So, again, I'll ask you Tommy-drooler, where is Tommy's allegiance? Love how you excuse everything Tommy does just to blame DeYoung.

For the record I am not a "Tommy droller". I have been critical of Tommy WAY more then DDY in this forum. If you were paying any attention to my posts in other threads you would know that. Your response is simplistic because you deduce that a person that disagrees on one incident all of a sudden is now excusing all of that person(s) past actions. Sorry you are dead wrong. The reality is (if you can think outside of the box ) THEY ALL made mistakes throughout the history of Styx. Because of that fact, I believe they all had a hand in the demise of the "classic Styx line up". If you can't comprehend that, maybe it's you who needs to get your head out of Dennis' ass.

[Toph]

No, get your nose out of Tommy's ass. Why don't you blame him for doing solo album? Or for Damn Yankees? Or for fucking up their career from 1979-1983? For fucking up the Kilroy tour? So, again, I'll ask you Tommy-drooler, where is Tommy's allegiance? Love how you excuse everything Tommy does just to blame DeYoung.

For the record I am not a "Tommy droller". I have been critical of Tommy WAY more then DDY in this forum. If you were paying any attention to my posts in other threads you would know that. Your response is simplistic because you deduce that a person that disagrees on one incident all of a sudden is now excusing all of that person(s) past actions. Sorry you are dead wrong. The reality is (if you can think outside of the box ) THEY ALL made mistakes throughout the history of Styx. Because of that fact, I believe they all had a hand in the demise of the "classic Styx line up". If you can't comprehend that, maybe it's you who needs to get your head out of Dennis' ass.

I don't disagree that DDY did play a role in the demise of Styx, but I do believe his role was less than many of you believe it to be. I actually agree with what someone said in Sterling's book (their manager maybe?), that is they do an album of songs after Paradise Theatre - just straight ahead down and dirty album while they are trying to perfect the Kilroy idea, that would have been ideal. Then do the original Kilroy as it was intended - (see liner notes on Greatest Hits - Kilroy was originally not supposed to be futuristic) in about 85-86 as a full length film (ala Purple Rain), then you are talking about an Aerosmith like career takeoff.

If Kilroy happened as it did, and they did their solo albums as they did, they should never have gone with the 3rd solo album with the new record companies. (Atlantic and MCA). After Remo and Back to the World flopped, they should have known the writing was on the wall for their solo careers. If they get back together then, its 1988 and the world is still hungry for a new Styx album - grunge hasn't started and they bring out one more album before the 80s end. Good momentum and the album does well enough to justify a second or even a third. Probably not as good sales wise as pre-breakup albums, but good enough.

If everything still transpires up to Return to Paradise, the comeback album in the late 90s (what became Brave New World) has better song selection and they wait until everyone is healthy to tour. The album wasn't complete and could have used 2-3 more months of refinement. Heck, even the liner notes had spelling and grammar errors. And the album should have had better songs. Wish DDY had brought some songs that went on OYFN to that album. Wish Tommy had brought some 7DZ songs or better yet (OWE from Cyclo) for that album. They BOTH didn't give their best effort on the songs for BNW.

Not sure if any of this changes what ultimately dooms the band, but at least it might have made for a more successful road.

[Boomchild]

I don't disagree that DDY did play a role in the demise of Styx, but I do believe his role was less than many of you believe it to be.

Who is this "you"? You obviously haven't read my past posts in this forum. Often I have disagreed with those that seem to heap all of Styx' troubles on DDY. Just because I disagree on a certain situation doesn't mean my position has changed. It's all too common when a band has issues that one person is singled out as the root cause. It's just the way it is. I look at things more simply. The guys in Styx never really "gelled" together on personal level. It appears that when not working together they mainly went their separate ways. Styx was operated more like a business then a bunch of guys hanging out and playing together. Then add to the mix that JY, DDY as well as TS seem to have very strong type A personalities. Top it off with the egos developed over time by all of them and you can see why it fell apart and why they had so much trouble on agreeing on things. Rehashing all this stuff over and over won't change history. It is what it is and what is done is done. You should be just happy with the fact that DDY is as active as he is. Because after he got the boot it seems it was highly likely that he was thinking about retirement from the music business.

[Abitaman]

I'm back from my 1 year exile.....

Hey guys and gals what is new around here? Ohh, everyone still arguing over DDY/TS More things change the more they stay the same................