Merchandising Merchandising!!

[gr8dane]

You say 'as a fan'. toph is not a fan.

You really are dense. I said "As a fan which would you rather have". So the question was directed to you and not Toph. Besides that, you don't have to be "a fan" to comment or critique what they are doing. Your reply is just adding to my observation of that for some it is easier to criticize the messenger then criticize what the band is or isn't doing.

Ah,question for 'moi',and not toph (who is not a fan). .

Yes I wouldn't mind some new music.I guess we will see it when it's ready.
But if there is no new music,I will get over it.

I don't see how the advertising and selling of merch. interferes with recording.

They probably pick what they want to sell ( how long does that take ?).There after somebody updates the Site shop.Then when something is
sold ,somebody else stuffs the envelopes and takes it to the post office.
At no point through this, does any band member take part.
Mind you,it sounds like JY has some experience with stuffing envelopes and running to the postoffice.
But I do not think he does any of that stuff anymore, do you ?

If you need any assistance locating any old toph ,Styx stalking and whining posts,
or point out any future ones,don't hesitate to ask for help.

[gr8dane]

I think the point trying to be made with this post is that instead of a band focusing on their music, their focusing on their merchandise. As I mentioned above they have been making statements about new music this year. One would think that they would be focused on pushing that not merchandise. Other classic bands usually put the focus on their new music when they are working on a new release.

You think so ?
I don't think so.

[Boomchild]

I don't see how the advertising and selling of merch. interferes with recording.

It has nothing to do with interfering with the actual "recording". It's about where their focus is to their fan base. Instead of talking about the new recording project they put the focus on the selling of trinkets. It's hard enough for a has been band to get people interested in new material. You would think they would put some focus on it in the hopes that it would garner some interest in the new material. But perhaps they already know it will most likely be dead in the water upon release. Maybe not all the members (i.e. JY) is not on board with the concept of releasing new material. It just seems to me the only way they seem to communicate new material is being produced is for someone to ask them about it. Which is an odd way to market new music. Then again, it seems your take it or leave it stance on them putting out something new explains their apparent lack of enthusiasm on the new material.

Mind you,it sounds like JY has some experience with stuffing envelopes and running to the postoffice. But I do not think he does any of that stuff anymore, do you ?

Who knows? Maybe is they decide to "go retro" on the new music and release it on cassette, JY can use his home stereo to dupe the tapes like he did for his solo album.

[Boomchild]

I think the point trying to be made with this post is that instead of a band focusing on their music, their focusing on their merchandise. As I mentioned above they have been making statements about new music this year. One would think that they would be focused on pushing that not merchandise. Other classic bands usually put the focus on their new music when they are working on a new release.

You think so ?
I don't think so.

And your reply right before this one wasn't enough to get your point across??

[Toph]

Ah, so you are just some weird and creepy online stalker asshole who hangs out at the Styx website looking for things to whine and complain about while you drink Tommy's coffee. Wow, you live a sad and pathetic life.

And you spend time responding to it. So that must make you sad and pathetic as well.

And, you responded to my response. So that makes you, blah, blah, blah.

At least we're not creepy online stalker assholes hanging out at artists websites looking for things to whine and complain about.

Hey, Monkey shit boy - I would think that stalker assholes would be ones that get kicked off melodic rock.com Journey bulletin boards for instigating the shit show that you get off on. Sound familiar?

[Toph]

I think the point trying to be made with this post is that instead of a band focusing on their music, their focusing on their merchandise. As I mentioned above they have been making statements about new music this year. One would think that they would be focused on pushing that not merchandise. Other classic bands usually put the focus on their new music when they are working on a new release.

But, the point being made is instead of a 'fan' focusing on the music, we have the anti-fan Toph who is a creepy online stalker asshole who hangs out at artists websites that he supposedly hates just looking for crap to whine about. Stalk, stalk, stalk, whine, whine, whine.

And you're a fucking freak that constantly is getting kicked off Journey message boards...

[Toph]

I think the point trying to be made with this post is that instead of a band focusing on their music, their focusing on their merchandise. As I mentioned above they have been making statements about new music this year. One would think that they would be focused on pushing that not merchandise. Other classic bands usually put the focus on their new music when they are working on a new release.

But, the point being made is instead of a 'fan' focusing on the music, we have the anti-fan Toph who is a creepy online stalker asshole who hangs out at artists websites that he supposedly hates just looking for crap to whine about. Stalk, stalk, stalk, whine, whine, whine.

Not only are you crazy, but you ain't real smart either. Let me put it for you another way dumbass - this incarnation of Styx has never been about the music. They are only about the money. The ridiculous merchandising pieces serve to confirm that. If you can't follow that, then I can't help you.

[Toph]

You say 'as a fan'. toph is not a fan.

You really are dense. I said "As a fan which would you rather have". So the question was directed to you and not Toph. Besides that, you don't have to be "a fan" to comment or critique what they are doing. Your reply is just adding to my observation of that for some it is easier to criticize the messenger then criticize what the band is or isn't doing.

Ah,question for 'moi',and not toph (who is not a fan). .

Yes I wouldn't mind some new music.I guess we will see it when it's ready.
But if there is no new music,I will get over it.

I don't see how the advertising and selling of merch. interferes with recording.

They probably pick what they want to sell ( how long does that take ?).There after somebody updates the Site shop.Then when something is
sold ,somebody else stuffs the envelopes and takes it to the post office.
At no point through this, does any band member take part.
Mind you,it sounds like JY has some experience with stuffing envelopes and running to the postoffice.
But I do not think he does any of that stuff anymore, do you ?

If you need any assistance locating any old toph ,Styx stalking and whining posts,
or point out any future ones,don't hesitate to ask for help.

Hey gr8dane, how does Monkey's ass smell tonight? You two are like two peas in a pod. Tweedle dee and tweedle dum.

[gr8dane]

I don't see how the advertising and selling of merch. interferes with recording.

It has nothing to do with interfering with the actual "recording". It's about where their focus is to their fan base. Instead of talking about the new recording project they put the focus on the selling of trinkets. It's hard enough for a has been band to get people interested in new material. You would think they would put some focus on it in the hopes that it would garner some interest in the new material. But perhaps they already know it will most likely be dead in the water upon release. Maybe not all the members (i.e. JY) is not on board with the concept of releasing new material. It just seems to me the only way they seem to communicate new material is being produced is for someone to ask them about it. Which is an odd way to market new music. Then again, it seems your take it or leave it stance on them putting out something new explains their apparent lack of enthusiasm on the new material.

Mind you,it sounds like JY has some experience with stuffing envelopes and running to the postoffice. But I do not think he does any of that stuff anymore, do you ?

Who knows? Maybe is they decide to "go retro" on the new music and release it on cassette, JY can use his home stereo to dupe the tapes like he did for his solo album.

Fair enough.I guess I am just less sensitive to what Styx do or don't do.

[gr8dane]

I think the point trying to be made with this post is that instead of a band focusing on their music, their focusing on their merchandise. As I mentioned above they have been making statements about new music this year. One would think that they would be focused on pushing that not merchandise. Other classic bands usually put the focus on their new music when they are working on a new release.

You think so ?
I don't think so.

And your reply right before this one wasn't enough to get your point across??

Just wanted to be sure.
By the way,,have you seen toph around ?

[Boomchild]

Fair enough.I guess I am just less sensitive to what Styx do or don't do.

After my last reply, I thought I should checkout their FB page to see if they have been posting things about the new music. To be fair about my observations. Even on FB they haven't been talking about it.

[yogi]

I know its a remake and this really doesn't count but VH1 Classic started advertising that they will debuting Styx's new mimed version of 'Blue Collar Man' . This will actually be the first release for their upcoming new album. I know that its a remake but its better than nothing.

What rock band would ever think of miming one of their classics??? EXCELLENT EXCELLENT move!!!!

[gr8dane]

Fair enough.I guess I am just less sensitive to what Styx do or don't do.

After my last reply, I thought I should checkout their FB page to see if they have been posting things about the new music. To be fair about my observations. Even on FB they haven't been talking about it.

In a month, they will be off the road for a month.
So maybe they do something then.

[Boomchild]

Fair enough.I guess I am just less sensitive to what Styx do or don't do.

After my last reply, I thought I should checkout their FB page to see if they have been posting things about the new music. To be fair about my observations. Even on FB they haven't been talking about it.

In a month, they will be off the road for a month.
So maybe they do something then.

Oh come now. You don't have to be "off the road" to post things to your website and FB page. Isn't most of that stuff regulated to their management\PR people anyway? Look back to the reunion. TS was posting and communicating all the time from the road.

[gr8dane]

Oh come now. You don't have to be "off the road" to post things to your website and FB page. Isn't most of that stuff regulated to their management\PR people anyway? Look back to the reunion. TS was posting and communicating all the time from the road.
[quote][/quote]

By golly Boomer.I think you are right.

Now that I thinking about it.That reunion was some time ago.
I used to wear Teletubby underwear,that my mom bought me.
But I don't any more.

[gr8dane]

'Hey gr8dane, how does Monkey's ass smell tonight? You two are like two peas in a pod.'[quote][/quote]

Hey menty.

[Monker]

I think the point trying to be made with this post is that instead of a band focusing on their music, their focusing on their merchandise. As I mentioned above they have been making statements about new music this year. One would think that they would be focused on pushing that not merchandise. Other classic bands usually put the focus on their new music when they are working on a new release.

But, the point being made is instead of a 'fan' focusing on the music, we have the anti-fan Toph who is a creepy online stalker asshole who hangs out at artists websites that he supposedly hates just looking for crap to whine about. Stalk, stalk, stalk, whine, whine, whine.

Not only are you crazy, but you ain't real smart either. Let me put it for you another way dumbass - this incarnation of Styx has never been about the music. They are only about the money. The ridiculous merchandising pieces serve to confirm that. If you can't follow that, then I can't help you.

If that were true, then they would have welcomed Dennis back a long time ago.

It's simply not true - at all.

"Merchandising", as you say it, is a sideshow for a band that spends its entire career touring. Like I have said before, even the Beatles had merchandise for sale.

Besides, you don't give a shit about this band. All you are doing is trolling their website looking for shit to post here and whine and complain. You are a stalker, looking for anything you can find to critique. You don't care if they have a new album or not...you would complain about that, too...you would find a way. It doesn't have enough ballads, it has too many ballads and they are trying to sound like Dennis, they are trying too hard to rock like a glam band, they don't don't rock enough. You have posted and critiqued all sides of every issue...the only one consistent thing is Styx does it wrong.

Grow up and get counseling for your obvious mental and emotional issues. Only an emotionally immature person would go to a bands website, who you admittedly hate, looking for shit to complain about. You are the very definition of a mental case.

[Monker]

Oh come now. You don't have to be "off the road" to post things to your website and FB page. Isn't most of that stuff regulated to their management\PR people anyway? Look back to the reunion. TS was posting and communicating all the time from the road.

My God that was so long ago. Back then I was trading Email with Tommy and got him to sign up to the Styx mailing list. It was a different time with different attitudes both in the band, and among the fans. Back then there were not creepy online stalkers who go about twisting everything the band does into something they can whine and bitch about....and I seriously believe THAT is the reason why Tommy has mostly backed off from posting so much on the internet...people like Toph, and Froy, they make it seem very under appreciated and not worth the time and effort.

In addition, there is no major effort to record an album and release it. Everybody know that. There is no potential release date. They are just doing it in their off time, like a side project. There is no reason to announce it on their website, and I don't expect them to until there are formal plans to release an album.

The only people who give a damn about "merchandising" are people who want to bitch about it. Nobody else cares because it is such an insignificant thing. The bands focus is on touring...that's what they care most about...and it's what the fans care most about, too. All you critics are the people who care about the other things.

[Toph]

No, a mental case is one who is so outlandish in their posts that the moderators decide to remove him. That would be you.

[Toph]

Oh come now. You don't have to be "off the road" to post things to your website and FB page. Isn't most of that stuff regulated to their management\PR people anyway? Look back to the reunion. TS was posting and communicating all the time from the road.

My God that was so long ago. Back then I was trading Email with Tommy and got him to sign up to the Styx mailing list. It was a different time with different attitudes both in the band, and among the fans. Back then there were not creepy online stalkers who go about twisting everything the band does into something they can whine and bitch about....and I seriously believe THAT is the reason why Tommy has mostly backed off from posting so much on the internet...people like Toph, and Froy, they make it seem very under appreciated and not worth the time and effort.

In addition, there is no major effort to record an album and release it. Everybody know that. There is no potential release date. They are just doing it in their off time, like a side project. There is no reason to announce it on their website, and I don't expect them to until there are formal plans to release an album.

The only people who give a damn about "merchandising" are people who want to bitch about it. Nobody else cares because it is such an insignificant thing. The bands focus is on touring...that's what they care most about...and it's what the fans care most about, too. All you critics are the people who care about the other things.

Nope, the band is focusing on milking a catalog, 85% of which they neither wrote nor sang nor conceptualized....Sorry, but its true. Styx is guilty of stealing.

[Boomchild]

Nope, the band is focusing on milking a catalog, 85% of which they neither wrote nor sang nor conceptualized....Sorry, but its true. Styx is guilty of stealing.

Actually the band is not stealing anything. DDY took them to court and they settled out of court. Besides that, I doubt that even DDY would claim that the body of work Styx put out was his and his alone. Even he looks at what they did as a group effort and not the work and responsibility of one person.

[yogi]

[quote="Monker"][quote="Boomchild"]
Oh come now. You don't have to be "off the road" to post things to your website and FB page. Isn't most of that stuff regulated to their management\PR people anyway? Look back to the reunion. TS was posting and communicating all the time from the road.[/quote]

My God that was so long ago. Back then I was trading Email with Tommy and got him to sign up to the Styx mailing list. It was a different time with different attitudes both in the band, and among the fans. Back then there were not creepy online stalkers who go about twisting everything the band does into something they can whine and bitch about....and I seriously believe THAT is the reason why Tommy has mostly backed off from posting so much on the internet...people like Toph, and Froy, they make it seem very under appreciated and not worth the time and effort.

In addition, there is no major effort to record an album and release it. Everybody know that. There is no potential release date. They are just doing it in their off time, like a side project. There is no reason to announce it on their website, and I don't expect them to until there are formal plans to release an album.




The only people who give a damn about "merchandising" are people who want to bitch about it. Nobody else cares because it is such an insignificant thing. The bands focus is on touring...that's what they care most about...and it's what the fans care most about, too. All you critics are the people who care about the other things.[/quote]


YOGI writes:
I care about the merchandising factor of the band. They put all of this crap with the Styx name on it They have NO clue what the 'TRUE FANS' really want.

If they would just market and put out ping pong paddles and fungo bats you would NEVER hear a negative comment from me again.

Shi t your a rock band. Give the fans what they want!!!!

[Monker]

Nope, the band is focusing on milking a catalog, 85% of which they neither wrote nor sang nor conceptualized....Sorry, but its true. Styx is guilty of stealing.

Oh, please, this argument ended a decade ago when Dennis decided to hire JY and Tommy clones and perform their songs in replacement of his solo songs. They are Styx songs that Styx wrote and Styx recorded. To critique them and support DDY without the EXACT SAME CRITIQUE is hypocritical at best. Get into the 21 century.

[Monker]

No, a mental case is one who is so outlandish in their posts that the moderators decide to remove him. That would be you.

Sorry, I'm not a moderator. But, if I were, yes, I'd remove you, just as Andrew removed froyline.

[Toph]

No, a mental case is one who is so outlandish in their posts that the moderators decide to remove him. That would be you.

Sorry, I'm not a moderator. But, if I were, yes, I'd remove you, just as Andrew removed froyline.

And removed you on multiple occasions.

[Toph]

Nope, the band is focusing on milking a catalog, 85% of which they neither wrote nor sang nor conceptualized....Sorry, but its true. Styx is guilty of stealing.

Oh, please, this argument ended a decade ago when Dennis decided to hire JY and Tommy clones and perform their songs in replacement of his solo songs. They are Styx songs that Styx wrote and Styx recorded. To critique them and support DDY without the EXACT SAME CRITIQUE is hypocritical at best. Get into the 21 century.

The facts:

DDY produced every Styx album
8 top 10 singles, 7 were written and sung by DDY
Tommy's mist well known song was radically changed by DDY

[Monker]

No, a mental case is one who is so outlandish in their posts that the moderators decide to remove him. That would be you.

Sorry, I'm not a moderator. But, if I were, yes, I'd remove you, just as Andrew removed froyline.

And removed you on multiple occasions.

Prove it. Ask Andrew to come on this thread and back your theory that I was kicked off this forum multiple times for making outlandish statements.

Or, are you not just a creepy online stalker with mental and emotional issues, but a liar too.

[Monker]

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[Monker]

The facts:

DDY produced every Styx album
8 top 10 singles, 7 were written and sung by DDY
Tommy's mist well known song was radically changed by DDY

Fact, they are all Styx songs, not mediocre DDY solo songs from his mediocre solo albums.

Fact, Dennis knows that his mediocre solo career is not what fans want to hear. They want to hear Styx. So, he removed most of his mediocre solo songs from his set and replaced them with awesome Tommy songs performed by mediocre players who somewhat look and sound like Tommy and JY.

Fact, Gowan neither looks nor sounds much like Dennis. If all they wanted was to milk the legacy they would have taken the easy route of hiring a DDY clone, as DDY did for his solo band, and as Journey did with Arnel. Instead they hired someone they respected, got along with, and wanted to perform with, who wanted to perform with them. You may not like it, but the band obviously does...and I doubt very much that they care what you think of it.

Fact, when they do perform Styx songs outside of the 'hits', hypocrites like you complain that they are IGNORING the hits, or that Gowan can't sing them, or some other crazy theory...instead of the simple fact that the band does no like playing Babe and Robato.

Fact, no matter what the band does, you are going to come up with shit to critique them with. When you run out of things, you go and stalk their website until you DO have some crazy shit to bitch about.

Fact, all of this is in your screwed up little brain because you can't let go of the fact that Dennis is no longer a member of Styx and that he will NEVER be a member of Styx ever again. So, you drone on and on and on and on repeating the same bullshit from more than 15yrs ago as if it were new today. You are an immature child who has whined, cried, pouted and stomped your little pathetic feet because you don't get your way and the band doesn't do what you want. Poor sad and pathetic insane Toph .

[Boomchild]

The facts:

DDY produced every Styx album
8 top 10 singles, 7 were written and sung by DDY
Tommy's mist well known song was radically changed by DDY

Fact:

DDY has said that the success of Styx was due to the collaboration and influences on each of them that made Styx successful. He has never wavered from that statement. This is coming from a guy who lived and breathed it. So I don't know how you expect people to believe anything different.

Fact:

DDY is using material he did not write as a member of Styx. So by your definition of stealing, he is doing the very same thing.