They're Eating The Dogs Presidential Thread

[The_Noble_Cause]

You are simply WRONG. There was NEVER a huge demand to have Comey fired by these people...they wanted his resignation. You and KC are INVENTING this.

A distinction without difference. The foremost power players in the Democratic Party - Harry Reid, Podesta etc - wanted him out.

As for "the next minute". You are talking about events that happened six months to a year ago. There have been no demands for Comey to resign in months. So, it's not 'minutes ago'.

Because for the time being, the Dems thought Comey was doing their bidding investigating Trump ties to Russia. If another Weiner laptop was discovered and Comey re-opened the Hillary case, the Dems would have flipped again and called for Comey's head. What does this all prove? The Dems are desperate opportunists.

And, finally, it's irrelevant anyway because TRUMP said he decided to fire Comey after seeing him publicly testify. THAT is why he was fired...it had NOTHING TO DO WITH CLINTON...But, you guys just keep inventing stuff anyway. It's what Trump and his minions do best.

Good. His testimony was incoherent.

So, I wonder how long it will take before "Obstruction of Justice" charges are made and Democrats start pushing for impeachment.

The Dems are at it's weakest electoral point since the Civil War. Good luck with that.

[Monker]

Contrast that to Trump...there was already an investigation into Comey's handling of the Clinton case. Trump did not wait for that to conclude and fired him anyway...But, he also stated that the AG memo's were not what convinced him...it was his testimony that convinced him. And, he also admitted that when he made the decision, he was thinking about the Trump/Russia/Collusion thing. Trump isn't hiding much...he easily implied he was trying to bring an end to the Russian investigation and did not like how Comey was handling it.

At the end of the day, the President can fire the FBI director at any time. So who cares?

Yeah, who cares if the President and his surrogates lie to the American people? Spicey did it from the first press convference.

And, congress obviously cares....if he fired Comey to stop/stall the FBI Investigation...that is obstruction of justice and grounds for impeachment.

[Monker]

So, I wonder how long it will take before "Obstruction of Justice" charges are made and Democrats start pushing for impeachment.

The Dems are at it's weakest electoral point since the Civil War. Good luck with that.

There will come a point where standing with Trump costs more politically than being against him. When that point comes, and it may be sooner than you think, it will be Republicans who will want him out.

And, of course, the 2018 election s may sway things the Democrats way...you don't know how that will turn out just yet.

[Monker]

Since the Left thinks Trump firing Comey means he is "hiding something"...

May 1993 - FBI opened investigation into Travel Office firings
July 19th 1993 - FBI Director William Sessions fired by President Bill Clinton
July 20th 1993 - Long time Clinton confidant and Deputy White House Counsel Vince Foster suicide

I wonder what Bill Clinton was hiding...

Wow, so full of conspiracy theories.

Sessions was fired after a probe into ethics violations. If he had not fired him you all would be complaining that Clinton allowed Sessions to get away with abusing his office.

Contrast that to Trump...there was already an investigation into Comey's handling of the Clinton case. Trump did not wait for that to conclude and fired him anyway...But, he also stated that the AG memo's were not what convinced him...it was his testimony that convinced him. And, he also admitted that when he made the decision, he was thinking about the Trump/Russia/Collusion thing. Trump isn't hiding much...he easily implied he was trying to bring an end to the Russian investigation and did not like how Comey was handling it.

So.. when Trump is being honest you still think he's being dishonest... talk about "conspiracy theories"....

Where did I say anything about him being "dishonest" in what you quoted?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Yeah, who cares if the President and his surrogates lie to the American people? Spicey did it from the first press convference.

All presidents lie. Bottom line is, does the President have the authority to fire the FBI Director - yes or no? It's not illegal. Comey seemed like a basket case imo.

There will come a point where standing with Trump costs more politically than being against him. When that point comes, and it may be sooner than you think, it will be Republicans who will want him out.

Heard this all during the primaries as well. At his lowest, the Repub establishment had abandoned Trump. He later tweeted out "I will teach the GOP how to win." He wrote his own rules and did precisely that. You impeach this President and level-headed decent Americans, like FactFinder and KC, will go down to DC and start cracking heads.

[Monker]

Yeah, who cares if the President and his surrogates lie to the American people? Spicey did it from the first press convference.

All presidents lie.

So, you are now saying the Presidency has no credibility and nothing that comes from the office should be believed.

Bottom line is, does the President have the authority to fire the FBI Director - yes or no? It's not illegal. Comey seemed like a basket case imo.[/qote]

That is irrelevant to what I was talking about which is specifically that President Trump and his surrogates have lied about almost everything from the day he took office.

There will come a point where standing with Trump costs more politically than being against him. When that point comes, and it may be sooner than you think, it will be Republicans who will want him out.

Heard this all during the primaries as well. At his lowest, the Repub establishment had abandoned Trump. He later tweeted out "I will teach the GOP how to win." He wrote his own rules and did precisely that. You impeach this President and level-headed decent Americans, like FactFinder and KC, will go down to DC and start cracking heads.

He did not "write his own rules". That is complete bullshit.

He did not win the popular vote. His approval rating has hovered around 40 from the time he took office. His health care plan has stirred up negativity in the electorate, even his own voters. He is very, very unpopular and there is no evidence that is ever going to change....at least not for the better.

When it comes to congress, they will abandon Trump if that is the difference between being reelected, or not. The GOP as a whole will abandon Trump if it sees it is better for the party than standing by him. At some point, both of those situation WILL happen.

On top of all that, you have no clue what will happen with congress in next year's election.

As for, "level-headed decent Americans" going to DC to crack heads. Going anywhere to 'crack heads' is not 'level-headed'. It is not "decent". It is unAmerican for EITHER party to protest in such ways. They should be put in jail to keep their President company.

[Boomchild]

Yep.

[The_Noble_Cause]

So, you are now saying the Presidency has no credibility and nothing that comes from the office should be believed.

For the most part, yes. What presidential statement in the past 45 years can you point to as the unvarnished truth?
Just a few examples below -

"Read my lips. No new taxes"
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky."
"The dictator of Iraq and his weapons of mass destruction are a threat to the security of free nations."
"If you like your health care plan, you can keep it."

You must be pretty gullible and helpless if you sit around waiting for the government to tell you the truth.

He did not "write his own rules". That is complete bullshit.

Sure he did. His own party did not support him in the primaries. He said things ("grab em by the pussy") that otherwise would have doomed any other candidate.
Proven liar, James Clapper, just recently said that "US institutions are under assault from President Donald Trump." He couldn't be more right. Those institutions include the two party system and the press. It's a glorious thing to behold.

As for, "level-headed decent Americans" going to DC to crack heads. Going anywhere to 'crack heads' is not 'level-headed'. It is not "decent". It is unAmerican for EITHER party to protest in such ways. They should be put in jail to keep their President company.

Tell it to your rioting anti-fa liberal friends and racist Black Lives Matter cohorts.

[steveo777]

TNC wrote:

Proven liar, James Clapper, just recently said that "US institutions are under assault from President Donald Trump." He couldn't be more right. Those institutions include the two party system and the press. It's a glorious thing to behold.

You keep this up and we'll be best friends.

TRUMP CHANGES THE WORLD!

TNC has not lost his ability to reason, unlike most of the blind left. I've always considered him to be one of the most intelligent people on this forum. He's also good at dealing an epic beat down, when one deserves it. Sometimes he holds back too much.

[Memorex]

What do we make of the news that Seth Rich was emailing Wikileaks before he was murdered? Podesta said in his leaked emails that he was ok with punishing a leaker. Does this really mean that the DNC wasn't hacked by Russia at all but in fact it was an inside job leaking? Is this why the DNC wouldn't give the FBI access to the "hacked" computers and instead let a private company look at them. Is this why Seth Rich is dead?

I've always believed he was the leaker. Assange has strongly hinted at it.

[Boomchild]

I was wondering if firing Comey was step one of getting road blocks out of the way. Maybe the Clintons should keep a packed suitcase by their front door.

They are already on to the next thing. Saw a blurb about Trump in memo to Comey asking him "to end" the investigation into Gen. Flynn.

[Boomchild]

What do we make of the news that Seth Rich was emailing Wikileaks before he was murdered? Podesta said in his leaked emails that he was ok with punishing a leaker. Does this really mean that the DNC wasn't hacked by Russia at all but in fact it was an inside job leaking? Is this why the DNC wouldn't give the FBI access to the "hacked" computers and instead let a private company look at them. Is this why Seth Rich is dead?

I've always believed he was the leaker. Assange has strongly hinted at it.

I think you are right and when Assange offered the reward money for info on Seth on Hannity, the left knew they had to come up with a cover and Russia was born.

Wikileaks just posted what they have said when it comes to Seth Rich. Will not confirm nor deny. In other words, basically nothing. Don't you just love shell games? I have been questioning Wikileaks as of late.

[Boomchild]

Just saw this, Trump has everyone firing at him. I think he's over the targets and taking flak. People running around scared like their worlds coming to an end. No one said draining this swamp would be easy or painless.

He's been under fire since he won the election. If they don't get him by policy or procedure, we all know what the next attempt will be.

[Monker]

So, you are now saying the Presidency has no credibility and nothing that comes from the office should be believed.

For the most part, yes. What presidential statement in the past 45 years can you point to as the unvarnished truth?
Just a few examples below -

"Read my lips. No new taxes"
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky."
"The dictator of Iraq and his weapons of mass destruction are a threat to the security of free nations."
"If you like your health care plan, you can keep it."

Thank you. This is exactly what I thought you would say.

Those Presidents get nailed to the cross for ONE lie that their critics repeat over and over again to bring discredit and shame to who ever said it.

Oh, where should I begin with Trump and the people who speak for him?

Thousands of muslims celebrating in the after math of 9/11. Just made up bullshit.

Three million illegal voters in the election. A LIE, absolutely no evidence of this type of voter fraud in the last election.

Trump's innaguaral had more people attend than Obama's. Completely untrue.

Obama had the wires tapped at Trump Tower. A LIE. NO evidence exists that Obama committed this felony that Trump is accusing him of.

Repeal/Replace Obama Care in the first 100 days. This was actually published on his website until CNN asked about it, and it was changed. Who knew it was so complicated? Everybody did.

A 30 foot wall along the Mexican border. It was impossible from the start - a LIE. One simple fact, the Rio Grande is the settled border for much of it. So, if Trump wants a wall it will be on our side of the river, conceding the river to Mexico.

Currently replacing fence with wall. Spicer came out recently with picture of what he said was the border fence being replaced with border wall. A LIE...it was fencing being replace with modern fence...ordinary maintenence approved by OBAMA...and it was in a completely different area than Spicer said it was.

Mexico will pay for the wall. A LIE. It is being budgeted for.

NAFTA being ripped up and renegotiated. A LIE. In fact, Trump says he is going to leave it alone for now...EXACTLY what Obama did.

Comey being fired due to the recommendation of the AG's office. LIE. The President himself said he was going to fire him regardless of recommendation.

And, I could go on and on and on with this. You had every opportunity to pick out lies from former Presidents, and that is all you came up with. Trump lies at that level on an almost DAILY basis.

You must be pretty gullible and helpless if you sit around waiting for the government to tell you the truth.

When our President says he is under routine audit and will release his taxes when it is finished, I tend to believe him. With Trump, I don't believe he's under audit, I don't believe he has ever intended to release his taxes. And, I do believe he is attempting to hide his deep financial and business connections to Russia. I believe that because Trump is a pathological liar. In ANY circumstance that will make him look bad in any way - he lies in a lame attempt to look good.

He did not "write his own rules". That is complete bullshit.

Sure he did. His own party did not support him in the primaries. He said things ("grab em by the pussy") that otherwise would have doomed any other candidate.
Proven liar, James Clapper, just recently said that "US institutions are under assault from President Donald Trump." He couldn't be more right. Those institutions include the two party system and the press. It's a glorious thing to behold.

This is also EXACTLY what I thought you would say.

These are called scruples. Scruples are society's way of defining deviant behavior and to pressure people to not behave in certain ways or say certain things.

So, what happened is the people who voted for Trump don't care if their President is a sexual predator who admittedcommitting sexual assault on a regular basis. The people who voted for Trump made sexual assault a crime that can be ignored. They made Bill Cosby smile and call them "friend".

As for, "level-headed decent Americans" going to DC to crack heads. Going anywhere to 'crack heads' is not 'level-headed'. It is not "decent". It is unAmerican for EITHER party to protest in such ways. They should be put in jail to keep their President company.

Tell it to your rioting anti-fa liberal friends and racist Black Lives Matter cohorts.

I already said "EITHER party" in what you quoted. You are the person who is advocating, encouraging, violent protests (cracking heads) if Trump is impeached. I have never supported such a thing and never will.

[Monker]

TNC wrote:

Proven liar, James Clapper, just recently said that "US institutions are under assault from President Donald Trump." He couldn't be more right. Those institutions include the two party system and the press. It's a glorious thing to behold.

You keep this up and we'll be best friends.

TRUMP CHANGES THE WORLD!

Since the world craps its pants so often under his leadership, he SHOULD be responsible for changing it's diaper.

[Monker]

Just saw this, Trump has everyone firing at him. I think he's over the targets and taking flak. People running around scared like their worlds coming to an end. No one said draining this swamp would be easy or painless.

He's been under fire since he won the election. If they don't get him by policy or procedure, we all know what the next attempt will be.

Oh, come on....I said "impeach" a long time ago.

And, nobody is doing it to him....he is doing it to himself. He is an incompetent narcissist megalomaniac who can't stand not getting his way, or have anything negative said or thought about him. The guy is a nut who is building the case for impeachment himself. I have to wonder if he even wants this job.

[Monker]

Just saw this, Trump has everyone firing at him. I think he's over the targets and taking flak. People running around scared like their worlds coming to an end. No one said draining this swamp would be easy or painless.

He's been under fire since he won the election. If they don't get him by policy or procedure, we all know what the next attempt will be.

He has been under fire since he declared on that escalator. Important people are afraid of him for some reason.

Yeah, like people who are spying on Russia who are afraid that one day Trump will show off by naming them and where and what they are spying on.

[Monker]

Hey Monker, what do you say next week when all the Media stories you get a hard on over are proven lies again and the Media, and you are on to the next new crop?

You, and those like you, are living in an alternate reality.

What are you going to do if Republicans turn on Trump and support a special prosecutor or independent committee, or start impeachment proceedings themselves? This is the direction where things are headed...it is not going away because Trump will not allow it to go away.

As for "lies"....keep in mind that even TNC has now admitted that nothing coming from the Whitehouse can be trusted as true.

[NealIsGod]

Can't wait to see Comey's memos and testimony. Trump declared war on the FBI and it will be his downfall. It's very disappointing that there are so many in this country who are so full of hate for "libruls" that they are OK with democracy and America's reputation being destroyed.

[Boomchild]

[brywool]

Laugh when it finds nothing, like they hav so far. You defend Clinton and talk about living in an alternate reality? More Media bulshit headlines, then their gone. Liberals are grabbing any straw, then it breaks. Trump must be getting close to exposing the money grubbers.

Why do you say they have found nothing so far? That has not been the case. They are finding many things ("everybody's saying it", "very, very many things", "it's a total disaster"), but they are building their case. Watergate was a 900 day investigation. We are 116 days into this sh*tshow. Nobody has said "Oh, well those allegations are false" - other than the WH who is basically the defendant here. I'm sure Manson and Bundy said they were innocent all the way till the end. "Liberals grabbing at straws"? Seriously? Trump admitted he shared intel with Russia the other day and basically threw Israeli intelligence under the bus for a photo op with his buddies. (Shaking hands with them while totally dissing the German Chancellor [our ally]). Trump himself outted the Comey tapes. Trump himself seems to have asked Comey to drop the Flynn case which is an impeachable offense (this is still being investigated of course). Sally Yates has said that things happened that shouldn't but couldn't publicly state what those things were while being filmed, you can bet she will. Even republicans are stepping back from this dumbass. Seriously, time to wake up and smell the impending legal proceedings.

[Boomchild]

Ah yes, the smell of civil war is in the air.

[Monker]

Hedge your bet on a known liar.

You just locked and loaded and implied that you would go to civil war and die for one.

You remember when Comey gave that long laundry list of crimes Clinton commited, then invented a law that does not exist and said he wouldn't go after her because of no proof of intent.

He said that no reasable prosecutor would take the case to court. You don't even know what you are talking about.

There were facts with Clinton, the rest,so far as Trump is concerned, are simply liberal/media wet dreams.

What happened to Clinton has no affect on what will happen to Trump.

[verslibre]

Ah yes, the smell of civil war is in the air.

Lock and load.

[Monker]

Hey Monker, what do you say next week when all the Media stories you get a hard on over are proven lies again and the Media, and you are on to the next new crop?

You, and those like you, are living in an alternate reality.

What are you going to do if Republicans turn on Trump and support a special prosecutor or independent committee, or start impeachment proceedings themselves? This is the direction where things are headed...it is not going away because Trump will not allow it to go away.

As for "lies"....keep in mind that even TNC has now admitted that nothing coming from the Whitehouse can be trusted as true.

Wow, how prophetic was that? Not that it was difficult or anything. It HAD TO HAPPEN.

Laugh when it finds nothing, like they hav so far. You defend Clinton and talk about living in an alternate reality? More Media bulshit headlines, then their gone. Liberals are grabbing any straw, then it breaks. Trump must be getting close to exposing the money grubbers.

[/quote]

You don't know all that they have found because so much is classified. Tell me exactly what Flynn was doing in his daily activities that so concerned the AG that she had to warn the Whitehouse? She said on CNN that she could not go into details because it is classified, but laws were broken.

The only thing Trump is getting close to is resigning or being impeached. By the end of next year, one of the two will happen...or he'll go to sleep and not wake up.

[Monker]

Hannity is an OPNIONATOR, he is not meant to be taken as a serious new source. HE even knows that. In his interview with Ted Koppel from months ago, HANNITY said, “We have to give some credit to the American people that they’re somewhat intelligent and that they know the difference between an opinion show and a news show,”

YOU are proof that Hannity's statement above is WRONG. YOU are not intelligent enough to know that Hannity's show(s) are not news but entertainment. You do not have the mental capacity to realize that Hannity simply barfs out "connect the dots" type of opinion to rouse your emotions and get ratings. In fact, I would say he LIED in that above statement because he KNOWS there are many people like you who take what he says as fact, not opinion, and his show DEPENDS on you doing that.

No group or person forced Donald Judas Trump to fire Comey.
No group or person forced Trump the Tyrant to Tweet threats to Comey about speaking out, and mentioning their conversations were taped.

These "five groups" who oppose Donald Judas Trump is just made up conspiracy theory bullshit. Trump is his own worst enemy by saying or Tweeting things that PROVE he obstructed justice and deserves impeachment.

I said a couple months or so ago that a special prosecutor was needed. It is needed so things will be independent and beyond the control of either Trump the Tyrant or EITHER party. Now we have that, and he is a REPUBLICAN...so no chance of blaming Democrats there. Donald Judas Trump is doing this to himself.

Hannity knows that these investigations are now going to go on for many, many months and the chances of impeachment are rising every time Trump comments on the subject, or acts out like child because of it. And, with the FBI investigation now being independent, Trump has NO control over it. Trump is in a VERY bad spot.

I think of what this forum would be like it if were a Democrat as President. The meeting with the Russians alone would be grounds for impeachment. You would be calling it treason. Firing Comey. Firing the sitting AG. The NSA quiting only weeks in with a scandal that will most likely result with him going to jail. You would all be feasting on this. There would be no five point attack conspiracy theory bullshit being presented. The Republican controlled congress would have started the impeachment process months ago.

And, BTW, you said you would laugh if a special prosecutor were named. Pointing to Hannity to present your argument is not exactly laughing or showing any confidence at all that Trump will serve his full four year term.

"He said that no reasable prosecutor would take the case to court. You don't even know what you are talking about."

He said he would not recoment charges because....... no reasable prosecutor would take the case to court. It was a lie, just like you just told.

I know this is Hannity so Monker will use that as a excuse to ignore it, but this pretty much lined everything out perfectly. Russia, comey, the Media, ect. I thought is was 100% spot on with facts, details, laws, ect.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/543887916900 ... show-clips

[Monker]

It was spot on and backed up. None of your dismissel bullshit is going to make it any different. Sorry I had to pull your head out of Maddow for a second.

I'm "dismissel"? Hannity is the one who tossed aside the Comey note about Trump wanting him to end the Flynn investigation. That IS evidence....probably not enough on its own to convict. But, it is pretty damning. Nobody is in a rush to defend Donald Judas Trump. He fired Comey because he could not control him - WHICH HE ISN"T SUPPOSED TO DO. Now he has somebody investigating him who is beyond his reach, has a hard-nosed reputation - and WORKED WITH COMEY. Donald Judas Trump is screwed. He can't talk or fire his way out of this one.

One other note...in his rant about the media, Hannity added the clip of David Gergen saying "we are now in impeachment territory." Gergen is probably the most bipartisan pundit out there. After he said that on CNN, there was a sort of shocked silence for a few moments. After he said that, everybody knew things had become a lot more serious for Trump. Gergen, worked at the Nixon whitehouse during Watergate. Worked in the Whitehouse in the aftermath of Watergate with Ford Worked in the Whitehouse during Iran/Contra. Worked in the Whitehouse during Whitewater with Clinton. He KNOWS when shit hits the fan. He's seen it multiple times. Shit has hit the fan and splattered all of the Trump Whitehouse.

[Memorex]

Gergen is probably the most bipartisan pundit out there.

Not when it comes to Trump. If that was Romney in there, he'd be saying a different thing.

[ohsherrie]

It was spot on and backed up. None of your dismissel bullshit is going to make it any different. Sorry I had to pull your head out of Maddow for a second.

He is absolutely dead on there. I've never liked Hannity but then anybody paying attention to what's really happening doesn't need Hannity to tell them the obvious.

[Boomchild]

A little reminder from Wikileaks.

As early as December 2015 Hillary Clinton campaign head John Podesta discussed Trump's "bromance with Putin"