They're Eating The Dogs Presidential Thread

[JBlake]

Fans of Justin Bieber pleaded on Tuesday for his upcoming British tour dates to be canceled, underscoring the potential repercussions to music acts with a young fan base from the suicide bombing at an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester.

Canadian heartthrob Bieber, 23, is due to play an open air concert at London's Hyde Park in July. But fans flooded social media saying his appearance should be axed for the safety both of fans and the singer himself.

reuters.com



Show must go on Beebs, show must go on!

Places like San Fransicko he's referred to as a dickthrob.

[Memorex]

Fans of Justin Bieber pleaded on Tuesday for his upcoming British tour dates to be canceled, underscoring the potential repercussions to music acts with a young fan base from the suicide bombing at an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester.

Canadian heartthrob Bieber, 23, is due to play an open air concert at London's Hyde Park in July. But fans flooded social media saying his appearance should be axed for the safety both of fans and the singer himself.

reuters.com



Show must go on Beebs, show must go on!

My girls have tickets to his show in MN in August. I think our security will be much higher.

Here in MN we have several sites that we have to be concerned about, like the Mall of America in December. We typically have our kids stay away best they can, but at the end of the day you have to live your life. Odds are you will be ok and if not, that's a tragedy. I'll be keeping a close eye on threats and security measures for the show as best as I can, but in the end one can never know.

[Monker]

Should be pretty tough for Monkman to refute Time Mag, but he'll find a way, bigly.

Thanks for finding that, that's what I remember too. "They will re-negotiate to give us a better fair deal, or USA walks away under Trump."

BOOM!

Yeah, he said that during the campaign. Then, a few months ago he said he was withdrawing from NAFTA and went as far as preparing what was needed to send to congress (which was what I was talking about). Then, he went back and said he would renegotiate but would withdraw if it was not in the US best interest. Now he is simply updating NAFTA to the times since it's 20yrs old.

He tells so many lies on ONE subject yet you guys can not admit to even ONE. It is in fact so many views on the same subject you can literally choose any opinion of NAFTA and find quotes and evidence that Trump agrees with you.

[Monker]

They shunned Trump. Laughed at him. Called him a clown.

He built an empire. Trolled them. And then tore down their house.

No, he is TRYING to turn the USA into an empire where he is supreme ruler...but every day THAT is being torn by his own words and actions.

Monker, I can't believe you actually said something that stupid.

Trump CONSTANTLY acts in an authoritarian way. He governs by executive order. He fires the AG for doing her job and not enforcing an unconstitutional order. That very order is taken to to court...and has been found unConstitutional - multiple times for different states. He tried to get the FBI director to "let go" of the investigation of Michael Flynn. He fires the FBI director because he didn't like his testimony. He then threatens the former FBI director in Tweets. He tells the Russians in the Oval Office that it removed a lot of pressure from the investigation. He tries to influence the NSA director to say there is no evidence of collusion. He did the same to the Director of National Intelligence.

He is RULING LIKE A THIRD WORLD DICTATOR.

[Monker]

Fans of Justin Bieber pleaded on Tuesday for his upcoming British tour dates to be canceled, underscoring the potential repercussions to music acts with a young fan base from the suicide bombing at an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester.

Canadian heartthrob Bieber, 23, is due to play an open air concert at London's Hyde Park in July. But fans flooded social media saying his appearance should be axed for the safety both of fans and the singer himself.

reuters.com



Show must go on Beebs, show must go on!

My girls have tickets to his show in MN in August. I think our security will be much higher.

Here in MN we have several sites that we have to be concerned about, like the Mall of America in December. We typically have our kids stay away best they can, but at the end of the day you have to live your life. Odds are you will be ok and if not, that's a tragedy. I'll be keeping a close eye on threats and security measures for the show as best as I can, but in the end one can never know.

More people die from toddler shootings then from terrorism in the US. Perhaps you should give the advice to stay away from daycares and those deadly 3yr olds with guns.

Yeah, you can say terrorism in the US is an "issue"....but it is being blown WAY out of proportion and politicized beyond belief.

[Monker]

Then why didn't Obama tear it up?

For the same reason Trump is backing off. Fucking with trade agreements puts pressure on the economy. Since W and the Republicans drove the economy to near depression, fucking with NAFTA would be a huge mistake.

Clinton signed it, after Bush had it drawn up. It's a globalist thing.

I really don't care.

Trump said it would be changed for a better deal for America or he would withdraw from it.

Huge changes are not going to happen. Withdrawing from it isn't going to happen. Adding new industries and modernizing it MAY happen. So, what may come out of this is an EXPANSION of NAFTA. That is assuming it can pass congress.

Yes Trump is facing resistence from some bought and paid for globalist Republicans like McCain

You are ignorant on the subject and flat out wrong. Mainstream Republicans are FOR NAFTA.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/23/politics/ ... icans-gop/

Democrats don't even care what it is. If Trump wants it, NO !.

Wrong again. The Progressives Democrats do not like NAFTA. Bernie and Elizabeth Warren leading the way.

Trump was anti-NAFTA and TPP. Now, after talking to Mexico and Canada - as you said - Trump is almost pro-NAFTA. So, NAFTA has gone from the worst trade agreement in the history of the world, to being something that needs to be updated since it is more than 20yrs old.

[ohsherrie]

Trump CONSTANTLY acts in an authoritarian way. He governs by executive order. He fires the AG for doing her job and not enforcing an unconstitutional order. That very order is taken to to court...and has been found unConstitutional - multiple times for different states. He tried to get the FBI director to "let go" of the investigation of Michael Flynn. He fires the FBI director because he didn't like his testimony. He then threatens the former FBI director in Tweets. He tells the Russians in the Oval Office that it removed a lot of pressure from the investigation. He tries to influence the NSA director to say there is no evidence of collusion. He did the same to the Director of National Intelligence.

He is RULING LIKE A THIRD WORLD DICTATOR.

He's trying to make this a great nation again and pull us out of the downhill slide into the third world that Obama had us on. All the while, the MSM is seeing to it that their listeners hear only the bullshit you're spouting for which they've yet to find any credible evidence.

[verslibre]

Really? Obama had us literally sliding down into Third World status on a greased pole after only eight years?

Some people will believe anything.

How's The Great Wall Part Deux! coming?

[JBlake]

It will turn out that Trump contacted the Russians for the best chicken kiev recipe.

[Monker]

I was right on both points Monker. Try having someone explain it too you. Canada offered to rewrite NAFTA the first day Trump was in office. Mexico has admitted it could be redone.

Yep...that is true. Then, about a week ago, a letter was sent to congress that did not mention the points Trump was making on the campaign trail about NAFTA. The letter said NAFTA needed to be improved in the areas of intellectual property rights, digital trade, state-owned enterprises, customs procedures, food safety, workers’ rights and environmental protection.

Yeah, that's going to bring manufacturing back to the US...NOT.

It is updating a 20yr old trade policy...not renegotiating the worst trade deal in history to favor the American worker. THAT WAS A LIE.

Trump is not a Main Stream Republican

I said main stream Republicans are for NAFTA...and provided a link where Republican congressional leaders are saying things in favor of NAFTA. I also said Progressive (liberal) Democrats are against NAFTA. But, I DID NOT SAY Trump was EITHER of those. Trump is a LIBERAL Republican.

[verslibre]

Trump's a RINO.

[ohsherrie]

Really? Obama had us literally sliding down into Third World status on a greased pole after only eight years?

Some people will believe anything.

How's The Great Wall Part Deux! coming?

I didn't say anything about a greased pole. When you do nothing to protect our borders from illegals bearing drugs and refugees bearing Sharia Law, if not Jihad, it's not going to take too many generations to destroy America.

[brywool]

...When you do nothing to protect our borders from illegals bearing drugs and refugees bearing Sharia Law, if not Jihad, it's not going to take too many generations to destroy America.

Geez, you don't really believe this, do ya? Yeah, those damned refugee kids and their moms, we should just let em all die. Screw em! When refugees are given a safe haven by a country, do you really think that bringing down that country will be their mindset? I guarantee you, those that grow up and remember that America shut the door in their faces will have a much bigger axe to grind with us than if we helped them and made them a part of our society. The hysteria surrounding a "Muslim or Mexican under every bed" is just astounding and so completely unAmerican. Other than the Trade Center attacks (which your boy just did a big whopping deal for weapons with their country of origin) we have had very few attacks here. White Christian males are a much bigger issue, but hey, they look like us, so we can't hassle them. Vet these refugees. That's what Obama did, that's what anyone would do. If they meet all the conditions we set, let them in and give them a safe haven. But to just turn our backs on them is so NOT what we've ever been about. The more we help to persecute these folks, the worse our future will be because they won't forget.

[Monker]

I didn't say anything about a greased pole. When you do nothing to protect our borders from illegals bearing drugs and refugees bearing Sharia Law, if not Jihad, it's not going to take too many generations to destroy America.

That is paranoid delussion.

Obama sent more illegals back than W did. That is a simple fact. They are not pouring over the borders in the way Trump (and you) are describing. That is a lie. Adopting Sharia Law in the US is ridiculous and is absolutely no threat. As for "Jihad" and terrorism, as I said, you have more chance of being shot by a toddler than you do being a victim of Islamic terrorism. Maybe we should deport all babies to avoid all the toddler shootings. Those evil children have no place in America.

This entire argument of a "declining America" is a lie.

What Trump is doing is not just sending back the drug dealers and murderers but productive members of society. He is not just keeping out "Islamic extremists" but also high skilled technical engineers that this country NEEDS because we do not graduate enough of those high skilled workers from college. He is also disrupting the agriculture industry because Mexicans are one of the few people who will work in the fields picking crops, or in meat processing factories. They do the work ALL Americans find beneath them.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Do you even read the articles you post?

"Mr. Trump had threatened to withdraw completely from the agreement, only to relent in late April when the leaders of Canada and Mexico, the other parties to the deal, called and asked him to renegotiate instead."

"But the notice — a drastically scaled-back version of a draft the administration circulated this year — promised no major modifications of the sort that the president has hinted he will seek."

He lied. He is not "tearing up NAFTA." All he is doing is making changes to it to "modernize" it.

And if Trump hadn't won, NAFTA wouldn't be reformed. In fact, topics like the trade deficit wouldn't even be up for debate. TPP is also dead and buried. Good riddance.

Republicans do not want to repeal NAFTA...Democrats do.

Trump. Nader. Perot. Buchanan. These guys are not all Democrats. There is support across the political spectrum.

He LIED so people like TNC would vote for him.

If Trump lied to me, why is the TPP dead? An example of a lie would be running to close Gitmo or promising to push the public option. Remember those?

[Monker]

More winning!

Trump Blamed for Job Losses as India Tech Workers Face Cuts

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-bl ... 00600.html

I think you are completely ignorant and do not know what you are talking about. How is anybody "winning" in this situation? What was won?

[The_Noble_Cause]

This entire argument of a "declining America" is a lie.

By any metric, from literacy to obesity to healthcare, America is very much in decline.

What Trump is doing is not just sending back the drug dealers and murderers but productive members of society. He is not just keeping out "Islamic extremists" but also high skilled technical engineers that this country NEEDS because we do not graduate enough of those high skilled workers from college. He is also disrupting the agriculture industry because Mexicans are one of the few people who will work in the fields picking crops, or in meat processing factories. They do the work ALL Americans find beneath them.

Our country is strong because we give high paying American jobs to foreigners while everyone else flips burgers...yea that makes sense.

[Monker]

Wow, you two really have no idea what you are talking about.

First, IT Tech contractors did not handle customer service calls. That is a completely different industry. And, they are not even talking about off-shoring...the are talking about US IT contracting positions.

Here is a better idea of what is going on:
https://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/articl ... mp-s-fault

There was another article I read from a few months ago where another contracting firm was spending tens of thousands of dollars to retrain their workers in more modern technology. They realized their contractors skills were becoming outdated.

So, right now you have hundreds of thousands of IT contractors in India. But, the jobs in the US do not match their skills. So, layoffs. It's common sense. Also, IMO, I think there are way too many contractors available for the amount of work they would receive anyway - regardless of technology. The contracting I have contact with said that after the 2009 layoffs most companies are hiring back a more balanced ratio between contractors and full time employees...and the contractors of choice are based in the US, not India.

So, now the 10,000 contracting jobs in the US. Would you believe the ESA (European Space Agency) if they said they were putting an office in Florida and hiring 10,000 astronauts in the next couple months? I hope not. There are only so many qualified contractors in the US and only so many open contracts. So, those 10,000 psoitions will be competing with hundreds of other contracting firms in the US for the EXACT SAME PEOPLE to fill the EXACT SAME POSITIONS. It's not really adding any jobs, but adding a foreign competitor to US contractors.

[brywool]

Watching him talking to NATO. Whatta F'ing embarrassment he is. They're laughing at him while he's talking. Total cretin.

[ohsherrie]

They do the work ALL Americans find beneath them.

Too bad, and I mean this, it's too bad the all of the world isn't like Des Moines. I envy you your delusions.

All those jobs that Americans feel are beneath them are the ones that these millions of Americans on welfare should be doing.

[JBlake]

Watching him talking to NATO. Whatta F'ing embarrassment he is. They're laughing at him while he's talking. Total cretin.

Yeah, same laugh as welfare sponges on Government assist make when taxpayers tell them that they need to get a job and start working to pay for their own living expenses themselves instead of leaching these expenses off of the taxpayers.

[brywool]

rant deleted.

You're completely nuts.

[JBlake]

Hey FF, do you know anything about what Debbie Wasserman Schultz was screaming about in regards to a "stolen" piece of equipment and some type of investigation where this said piece of equipment is in evidential custody? I've been picking up on a few interesting things about it and just wanted to confirm.

[JBlake]

Hey FF, do you know anything about what Debbie Wasserman Schultz was screaming about in regards to a "stolen" piece of equipment and some type of investigation where this said piece of equipment is in evidential custody? I've been picking up on a few interesting things about it and just wanted to confirm.

It had to do with that Pakistani family of brothers who DWS and another congress critter hired to do IT work for the Dems in the House of Rep. Seems these guys got way overpaid for their positions and while employed they hacked in to Members computer accounts and took some "stuff." Capitol Police took a computer that DWS says they cant have and I believe right now it's being litigated. Very little of this story has come out and some say quite a few Congress people have clamed up and are possibly scared to death. Who the hell knows what really happened but something is clearly up with this case.

Interesting. Thanks.

[brywool]

Watching him talking to NATO. Whatta F'ing embarrassment he is. They're laughing at him while he's talking. Total cretin.

I know you won't like the source but:

Sean Spicer‏-

At @NATO meeting leaders unanimously commit to @POTUS priorities: increased burden sharing and fighting terrorism.

They might've committed to it, but in the footage, they're totally laughing at us and Trump came off sounding like and angry Slumlord as opposed to an ally. Think what you want, I found it completely embarrassing. The US should not be 'bullying' it's allies. Just as they should not be trying to do that to us. Just seemed like complete dick move.
We won't agree. oh well.

[Monker]

Could you kindly contact India and Yahoo News and set them straight then? And let Yahoo know you are wise to and do not appreciate their hit piece on our President. TIA.

Why? It is you who does not understand what they are talking about and why.

YOU mentioned call centers. This is about IT engineers and coders, as these articles are calling them...."computer programmers" in your vocabulary. That alone shows how ignorant you are on this subject. In addition, call centers are located in other countries. The workers do not need a H-1B VISA to work in an India call center.

YOU and KC mentioned 10,000 new positions. That is not how contracting works. They may target to hire 10,000 people but those 10,000 people have to be placed in contract to another company. There are already hundreds of IT contracting companies in the US. All this is doing is adding one more competitor in an already competitive field....trying to lure 10,000 IT people from their current contractor or full time employer. Then they have to compete to place these 10,000 people with the same hundreds of contracting firms out there. It is not adding ANY jobs to the economy.

I asked you to post who won and what did they win? You did not respond. Nobody "won" anything in this.

When you post this stuff and then comment on it like this, you really should be sure you know what you are talking about. In this case, you are COMPLETELY ignorant - as I said.

[Boomchild]

Too bad, and I mean this, it's too bad the all of the world isn't like Des Moines. I envy you your delusions.

All those jobs that Americans feel are beneath them are the ones that these millions of Americans on welfare should be doing.

As long as there is a source for cheap labor businesses that use them won't and don't have to raise wages. I remember reading a an article a few years ago that talked about how illegal aliens that have been here for years were upset with the ones coming after them because they were willing to take jobs at an even lower wage. Also, when you have a welfare system that does not provide any enticement to obtain work things won't change. Systems that are designed to be a hand out instead of hand up doesn't improve the situation. If these programs aren't going to have an incentive to put people to work then they need to have limits or caps. The system of indefinite support for those that are able to work has to stop.

[Boomchild]

They might've committed to it, but in the footage, they're totally laughing at us and Trump came off sounding like and angry Slumlord as opposed to an ally. Think what you want, I found it completely embarrassing. The US should not be 'bullying' it's allies. Just as they should not be trying to do that to us. Just seemed like complete dick move.
We won't agree. oh well.

There's that word, "allies". That word should be used very loosely.

[Boomchild]

[Monker]

I just posted the paragraph you still didn't read.

"Guess you missed this part Monker,"India’s outsourcers are moving to adjust. Earlier this month, Infosys said it would hire 10,000 American workers in the U.S., jobs that in the past may have been filled with foreign employees on temporary visas. That has incensed workers who have taken to WhatsApp groups to argue the company is firing at home so it can hire in the U.S."

Of course I'm sure jobs leaving India, giving them a taste of what they could have cared less what happened back here to come back here, sickens someone like you."

YOU ARE WRONG I did not miss that part. These jobs are not "coming back here". They never left. They are not off-shore contracting psotitions. They are not "leaving India" either. You have NO CLUE what you are talking about.

These positions manifest themselves in the US regardless of how many India contracting firms now want to hire US contractors. Do you not understand that if I am a contractor I can choose to work for an American contracting company or an India contractor and still compete and be hired for the same position at Company X? Company X is the one with the job....NOT THE CONTRACTING FIRM.

All that is happening is US contracting firms (Robert Half, for example) now have to compete more with India firms when recruiting contractors in the US. There are not 10,000 contractors popping out of holes in the ground just because India firms want to hire US citizens.

Think of it as actors in Hollywood working with agents. The agents go out and find potential acting gigs and send the actor on interviews. If the actor get the gig, they sign a contract for said gig. Maybe a 2yr contract to do a film. Maybe a 90 day contract for a commercial. It doesn't matter if that agent is bases in Califormia, or Paris, or London...the agent is looking at the same available gigs in Holywood as every other agent in the world.

That is EXACTLY what an IT professional does when using a contractor. The contractor finds potential contracts and sends the person on interviews. If they get "hired", they sign a contract for a specific amount of time. Company X then pays the contracting firm a set fee, and contractor gets paid by the contracting firm...all set by the contracts they sign. It doesn't matter if the contracting firm is based in the US or India...they are all looking at the same jobs and recruiting the same contractors to fill them.

THAT is how it works.

Now, if these articles were taling about off-shoring, THAT IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT. THEN jobs are being brought back to the US. But, they are talking about contractors in the US with H-1B VISAS.