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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Sat May 27, 2017 2:26 am

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Too bad, and I mean this, it's too bad the all of the world isn't like Des Moines. I envy you your delusions.

All those jobs that Americans feel are beneath them are the ones that these millions of Americans on welfare should be doing.


Somewhat true.

But, I know maybe 15yrs ago pork processing plants were failing because they could not hire workers at a reasonable wage and still make a profit. Now Mexicans are in those plants, working at a much lower wage (about half as much), and they are thriving.

So, you have a choice. You either accept a doubling in the price of produce and meat so farmers can pay the MUCH higher wages and benefits, or you accept Mexican workers at the farm and in processing plants doing the work at a wage that no American accepts.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Sat May 27, 2017 2:31 am

Postby Boomchild » Fri May 26, 2017 2:26 pm
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They might've committed to it, but in the footage, they're totally laughing at us and Trump came off sounding like and angry Slumlord as opposed to an ally. Think what you want, I found it completely embarrassing. The US should not be 'bullying' it's allies. Just as they should not be trying to do that to us. Just seemed like complete dick move.
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There's that word, "allies". That word should be used very loosely.


After 9/11, Article V of the NATO agreements was enforced. This calls upon all member nations to the defense of another member nation. All of our NATO allies fought and died in our defense.

This is the ONLY time in NATO's history that Article V was enforced - IN THE DEFENSE OF THE US.

And, whiney babies like Trump and you still complain. Truly pathetic.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Sat May 27, 2017 6:03 am

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Sat May 27, 2017 6:17 am

And, one more comment on this. I Emailed a friend of mine who has worked in the IT contractor for years...and she recruited me and I contracted with her company years ago. This is what she said, "I know that currently we have not seen much difference yet on laws affecting H1-B visa candidates, but what the future holds still seems unknown. There are tons of jobs here in the US that we are having a tough time filling both on a local and a national scale so not sure where they would find those 10,000 people here in the US to give jobs to as the market is already very tight."

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I just posted the paragraph you still didn't read. :roll:

"Guess you missed this part Monker,"India’s outsourcers are moving to adjust. Earlier this month, Infosys said it would hire 10,000 American workers in the U.S., jobs that in the past may have been filled with foreign employees on temporary visas. That has incensed workers who have taken to WhatsApp groups to argue the company is firing at home so it can hire in the U.S."

Of course I'm sure jobs leaving India, giving them a taste of what they could have cared less what happened back here to come back here, sickens someone like you."



YOU ARE WRONG I did not miss that part. These jobs are not "coming back here". They never left. They are not off-shore contracting psotitions. They are not "leaving India" either. You have NO CLUE what you are talking about.

These positions manifest themselves in the US regardless of how many India contracting firms now want to hire US contractors. Do you not understand that if I am a contractor I can choose to work for an American contracting company or an India contractor and still compete and be hired for the same position at Company X? Company X is the one with the job....NOT THE CONTRACTING FIRM.

All that is happening is US contracting firms (Robert Half, for example) now have to compete more with India firms when recruiting contractors in the US. There are not 10,000 contractors popping out of holes in the ground just because India firms want to hire US citizens.

Think of it as actors in Hollywood working with agents. The agents go out and find potential acting gigs and send the actor on interviews. If the actor get the gig, they sign a contract for said gig. Maybe a 2yr contract to do a film. Maybe a 90 day contract for a commercial. It doesn't matter if that agent is bases in Califormia, or Paris, or London...the agent is looking at the same available gigs in Holywood as every other agent in the world.

That is EXACTLY what an IT professional does when using a contractor. The contractor finds potential contracts and sends the person on interviews. If they get "hired", they sign a contract for a specific amount of time. Company X then pays the contracting firm a set fee, and contractor gets paid by the contracting firm...all set by the contracts they sign. It doesn't matter if the contracting firm is based in the US or India...they are all looking at the same jobs and recruiting the same contractors to fill them.

THAT is how it works.

Now, if these articles were taling about off-shoring, THAT IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT. THEN jobs are being brought back to the US. But, they are talking about contractors in the US with H-1B VISAS.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Sat May 27, 2017 9:18 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:" Infosys said it would hire 10,000 American workers in the U.S., jobs that in the past may have been filled with foreign employees on temporary visas. "


I don't understand how you people can be so stupid.

#1. What company(s) in the US suddenly decided to hire 10,000 contractors? You do understand that these contractors are not working AT InfoSys, correct....they are contracted out to other companies. InfoSys will be competing for the same contracts as any other contracting firm. It's not like Wells Fargo went, "Holy shit! InfoSys is coming to the US? We better add 10,000 IT jobs!"

#2. WHERE are these 10,000 contractors coming from? It's not like there is a bunch of contractors looking for work right now. IT is essentially at full employment ( < 3.5% http://www.upp.com/it-unemployment-rates, and that is over-all, not just contractors - which is what my friend was speaking to above). So, WHO is filling these roles? And, keep in mind that a contractor is someone with experience and can contribute to a project from day one. InfoSys will have recruiters calling people like me trying to convince me to leave my current job and be a contractor for them. THAT is how they will fill those 10,000 jobs. It is not adding ANYTHING to the economy....it is just shuffling already employed people around.

#3. WHY are you rooting for a foreign company to come into the US and compete against well established IT contracting firms? I would MUCH rather have my former company do well than some India based company. How unpatriotic of you. So much for "put America first!"

My prediction: InfoSys will go bankrupt within five years...or cut back their entire workforce by at least %15.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Sun May 28, 2017 5:10 am

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Sun May 28, 2017 1:13 pm

Fact Finder wrote:“CBS News has confirmed from two sources that three leakers of classified information at the White House have been identified and are expected to be fired,” CBS News reported this week, adding, “Officials within the Trump White House believe leaks of Mr. Trump’s conversation with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov are a ‘deliberate attempt’ by officials who are holdovers from President Obama’s administration and are trying to damage the Trump presidency.”

In addition, this week, chief One America News Network (OANN) White House correspondent Trey Yingst also reported that three White House leakers have been identified and referred to the proper authorities.

Yingst wrote on Twitter that the three leakers have been carelessly leaking classified information to hurt President Trump politically and that Trump is expected to fire “multiple people” connected with the network of leakers upon his return to the White House:


Trump is using "hold overs" from Obama's staff, that will teach him.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby ohsherrie » Mon May 29, 2017 4:08 am

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Too bad, and I mean this, it's too bad the all of the world isn't like Des Moines. I envy you your delusions.

All those jobs that Americans feel are beneath them are the ones that these millions of Americans on welfare should be doing.


As long as there is a source for cheap labor businesses that use them won't and don't have to raise wages. I remember reading a an article a few years ago that talked about how illegal aliens that have been here for years were upset with the ones coming after them because they were willing to take jobs at an even lower wage. Also, when you have a welfare system that does not provide any enticement to obtain work things won't change. Systems that are designed to be a hand out instead of hand up doesn't improve the situation. If these programs aren't going to have an incentive to put people to work then they need to have limits or caps. The system of indefinite support for those that are able to work has to stop.


Exactly, and we could solve two huge problems at one time by closing our borders and getting people off welfare.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Mon May 29, 2017 8:02 am

Yeah, Trump is so respected in the world. Especially in Germany. What a loser.

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Donald Trump is not fit to be president of the United States. He does not possess the requisite intellect and does not understand the significance of the office he holds nor the tasks associated with it. He doesn't read. He doesn't bother to peruse important files and intelligence reports and knows little about the issues that he has identified as his priorities. His decisions are capricious and they are delivered in the form of tyrannical decrees.

He is a man free of morals. As has been demonstrated hundreds of times, he is a liar, a racist and a cheat. I feel ashamed to use these words, as sharp and loud as they are. But if they apply to anyone, they apply to Trump. And one of the media's tasks is to continue telling things as they are: Trump has to be removed from the White House. Quickly. He is a danger to the world.

Trump is a miserable politician. He fired the FBI director simply because he could. James Comey had gotten under his skin with his investigation into Trump's confidants. Comey had also refused to swear loyalty and fealty to Trump and to abandon the investigation. He had to go.

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Trump is also a miserable boss. His people invent excuses for him and lie on his behalf because they have to, but then Trump wakes up and posts tweets that contradict what they have said. He doesn't care that his spokesman, his secretary of state and his national security adviser had just denied that the president had handed Russia (of all countries) sensitive intelligence gleaned from Israel (of all countries). Trump tweeted: Yes, yes, I did, because I can. I'm president after all.

Nothing is as it should be in this White House. Everyone working there has been compromised multiple times and now they all despise each other - and everyone except for Trump despises Trump. Because of all that, after just 120 days of the Trump administration, we are witness to an American tragedy for which there are five theoretical solutions.

The first is Trump's resignation, which won't happen. The second is that Republicans in the House and Senate support impeachment, which would be justified by the president's proven obstruction of justice, but won't happen because of the Republicans' thirst for power, which they won't willingly give up. The third possible solution is the invocation of the 25th Amendment, which would require the cabinet to declare Trump unfit to discharge the powers of the presidency. That isn't particularly likely either. Fourth: The Democrats get ready to fight and win back majorities in the House and Senate in midterm elections, which are 18 months away, before they then pursue option two, impeachment. Fifth: the international community wakes up and finds a way to circumvent the White House and free itself of its dependence on the U.S. Unlike the preceding four options, the fifth doesn't directly solve the Trump problem, but it is nevertheless necessary - and possible.

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Not quite two weeks ago, a number of experts and politicians focused on foreign policy met in Washington at the invitation of the Munich Security Conference. It wasn't difficult to sense the atmosphere of chaos and agony that has descended upon the city.

The U.S. elected a laughing stock to the presidency and has now made itself dependent on a joke of a man. The country is, as David Brooks wrote recently in the New York Times, dependent on a child. The Trump administration has no foreign policy because Trump has consistently promised American withdrawal while invoking America's strength. He has promised both no wars and more wars. He makes decisions according to his mood, with no strategic coherence or tactical logic. Moscow and Beijing are laughing at America. Elsewhere, people are worried.

In the Pacific, warships - American and Chinese - circle each other in close proximity. The conflict with North Korea is escalating. Who can be certain that Donald Trump won't risk nuclear war simply to save his own skin? Efforts to stop climate change are in trouble and many expect the U.S. to withdraw from the Paris Agreement because Trump is wary of legally binding measures. Crises, including those in Syria and Libya, are escalating, but no longer being discussed. And who should they be discussed with? Phone calls and emails to the U.S. State Department go unanswered. Nothing is regulated, nothing is stable and the trans-Atlantic relationship hardly exists anymore. German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel and Bundestag Foreign Affairs Committee Chair Norbert Röttgen fly back and forth, but Germany and the U.S. no longer understand each other. Hardly any real communication takes place, there are no joint foreign policy goals and there is no strategy.

In "Game of Thrones," the Mad King was murdered (and the child that later took his place was no better). In real life, an immature boy sits on the throne of the most important country in the world. He could, at any time, issue a catastrophic order that would immediately be carried out. That is why the parents cannot afford to take their eyes off him even for a second. They cannot succumb to exhaustion because he is so taxing. They ultimately have to send him to his room - and return power to the grownups.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Tue May 30, 2017 4:08 am

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That's all it will take for Monker. Monker the Merkle lover. You know Merkle, the one on the way out after taking over one of the worlds best economies and driving it and her people right into the ground? The German version of Obama.


This is coming from a country that is doing so well with their multicultural experiment. Didn't Markle suggest that they devise a program to pay some of the migrants to leave Germany? Then you have the government confiscating private property to turn it into migrant housing. Then she wants to lecture about someone being a threat to free society. Give me a break.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Tue May 30, 2017 9:35 am

Boomchild wrote:Then she wants to lecture about someone being a threat to free society. Give me a break.


Well, when the leader of the free world has the respect of other nations, both allies and enemies, she can afford to lecture once in a while and be taken seriously.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Tue May 30, 2017 10:04 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:[
That's all it will take for Monker. Monker the Merkle lover. You know Merkle, the one on the way out after taking over one of the worlds best economies and driving it and her people right into the ground? The German version of Obama.


Oh, grow up. It doesn't matter what I think, or what you think. It matters what the FBI thinks, and eventually what congress thinks. Right now, at the very least Michael Flynn is going to jail, or will cut a deal to testify. Now you got Kushner all messed up with this. That is so close to Trump that he has to be freaking out. If you can't see how close this is to Trump, then you are in denial. You all repeat satire in cartoons. But, it won't be so funny when people are charged, go to trial, and put in jail, or impeached.

As for Merkle. I don't know much about her. But, she does have the stature and maturity of a leader. That is something Trump sorely lacks. Merkle knows how to lead a country - whether you like what she has done or not. The only thing Trump knows how to lead is his own fucking family. He is the worst disaster of a President in history. He leading the US AWAY from being a respectable power, and to being a country that should be ignored and not counted on by its allies. Trump is leading us to a position of being less important than Gernany, France, Brittan. Where Trump is leading us is being like the Swiss...that nobody gives a shit about.

The sad thing, it's what YOU ALL wanted when cast your vote. To demean and exit NATO, end trade agreements, end climate change agreements, pull out of every international agreement we have made. When you isolate yourself from the world, you can't lead it.

You jumped on a bandwagon to "Make America Great Again." But, that is NOT what is happening. Trump has made the US WEAKER internationally, not "great".
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Tue May 30, 2017 3:41 pm

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:Monker, I wasn't on Trumps band wagon until my choice was him or the bitch. I was a Ted Cruz person. Still, I'm glad he won. Ivanka's husband is a Democrat, so I'm enjoying him getting knifed in the back by his own kind, like you, and maybe he'll correct his mistake by becoming a Conservative like many have. They have nothing on him, or Trump, because there is nothing to have.It's simply bullshit from YOUR side to slow things up, and people are getting sick of it. As far as America getting weaker, if your idea is bowing, getting on your knees and kissing ass while giving billions to countries that hate us is strengh, and most likely it is, then Obama is your man, and you can take that any way you want. As far as "ending agreements, again you twist and lie, as usual. How about redoing agreements which Trump is going to do, so we can stop getting screwed by everyone, which is the liberal way. America is WINNING, if you like it or not, more then likely you don't, but as Obama said, "You can come along, but you have to sit in the back". Enjoy the ride. Your going to do better, like it or not. I'll tell you what, if your so worried about "Climate Change" or NATO, ect, get out YOUR check book and write them a check. I know you hate the idea of other countries honoring their agreements and think we should pick up their tabs, but you can feel free to cover my share any time, otherwise, they can pony up like they agreed.


And, that is the whiney, blame everybody else and take no responsibility, attitude that is causing us to be a weaker nation. Trump is not a leader. And, he has a bunch of whiney babies following the giant, fat, baby that he is. As our country goes from being a superpower who had the respect of every other nation on Earth, to a country that allies would rather ignore than count on to back them up. While the US' power and greatness becomes an isolated weak country that can be ignored by its allies, all you can say is "enjoy the ride". What you don't realize is that the ride ended when inauguration happened. Enjoy the long walk home so you can lock your doors and hide inside with nothing but your own paranoia.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Tue May 30, 2017 3:43 pm

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:
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Boomchild wrote:Then she wants to lecture about someone being a threat to free society. Give me a break.


Well, when the leader of the free world has the respect of other nations, both allies and enemies, she can afford to lecture once in a while and be taken seriously.


HAD Monker. Her ass is on the way out. You see, unlike the West Coast, illegals can't vote in Germany and those people will be taking their country back soon......at Merkles expense.


No, HAS, the election is in September...and she is not only ahead but has increased her lead. So, again, you have no clue what you are talking about.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby JBlake » Wed May 31, 2017 6:21 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:
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Boomchild wrote:Then she wants to lecture about someone being a threat to free society. Give me a break.


Well, when the leader of the free world has the respect of other nations, both allies and enemies, she can afford to lecture once in a while and be taken seriously.


HAD Monker. Her ass is on the way out. You see, unlike the West Coast, illegals can't vote in Germany and those people will be taking their country back soon......at Merkles expense.


For the past 15 years I've bought German engineering. Up to this past month I had a Mercedes and a BMW. Well, since I now see what Germany is all about, no more German cars for me. I've gotten rid of the Mercedes and currently looking for a brand new replacement for the BMW. Fuck them! Sure just me alone won't change a thing in regards to the Germans selling their products over here, but I won't buy another one of their products ever again.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Wed May 31, 2017 6:58 am

JBlake wrote:For the past 15 years I've bought German engineering. Up to this past month I had a Mercedes and a BMW. Well, since I now see what Germany is all about, no more German cars for me. I've gotten rid of the Mercedes and currently looking for a brand new replacement for the BMW. Fuck them! Sure just me alone won't change a thing in regards to the Germans selling their products over here, but I won't buy another one of their products ever again.


I don't see what Mercedes or BMW has to do with the leader(s) of Germany. Just because a leader of country gives their opinion doesn't mean they are speaking for the entire populous of a country. I am sure there are many hard working people that make those vehicles. That would include the people that sell them here in America to put food on the table for their families.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Wed May 31, 2017 7:13 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:Funny, that was Obama's attitude. whine,bow apologize, and kiss ass. Leadership is back and if you don't like it, tough shit. The little piss ant countries that couldn't survive without us don't seem to like it either. They want people like you that will give them all of everybody elses money. Again, write your own checks and sit in the back. YOU GOT VETOED.


The respect and opinion of the U.S. has been in decline for years. Even before Obama took office. Your kidding yourself if you think that Obama, Hillary or Kerry improved things. They couldn't even get it right. In fact, I would say that in some cases they weakened some of the relationships with our "allies". Namely Israel. Obama went out of his way to undermine Netanyhu during their last election. Then you have the infamous Clinton "reset button" with Russia. The dopes didn't even double check the correct spelling of the word reset in Russian. Talk about making yourself look inept. Perhaps people are on edge because someone has signaled that America is not going to be a door mat and taken advantage of. I could see people that have had such an advantage over the U.S. for so long being upset about the situation and do anything to distract from the actual problem.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Wed May 31, 2017 9:52 am

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JBlake wrote:For the past 15 years I've bought German engineering. Up to this past month I had a Mercedes and a BMW. Well, since I now see what Germany is all about, no more German cars for me. I've gotten rid of the Mercedes and currently looking for a brand new replacement for the BMW. Fuck them! Sure just me alone won't change a thing in regards to the Germans selling their products over here, but I won't buy another one of their products ever again.


I don't see what Mercedes or BMW has to do with the leader(s) of Germany. Just because a leader of country gives their opinion doesn't mean they are speaking for the entire populous of a country. I am sure there are many hard working people that make those vehicles. That would include the people that sell them here in America to put food on the table for their families.

The fact is that there are German cars manufactured in the US. It's possible that what JB is whining about boycotting is actually an American made product.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Wed May 31, 2017 11:15 am

Fact Finder wrote:Thank you Diane Reynolds..

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These are the kind of things people do when they are desperate. Oh could you imagine if Obama would have been mocked in this manner. Just another sign some are losing their grip.
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Postby Boomchild » Wed May 31, 2017 2:32 pm

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:And the profits go where?


They go to the company and it's shareholders. Which I would say it's safe to say is made up of a lot more then Germany itself. Let's be realistic here, as if it's going to have an impact on their government. If we are going to travel down that road, we may as well start calling french fries "freedom fries" again. If you want to make a statement that sends a real message, tell the POTUS we should pull out all of our military installations in Germany. Seems to me sometimes there is too much focus and effort put on the puppets or the mouthpieces for those actually running the show.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed May 31, 2017 10:51 pm

Monker wrote:Yeah, Trump is so respected in the world. Especially in Germany. What a loser.


Der Spiegel is one point of view. That's like quoting Israel's Haaretz and acting as if it speaks for all Israelis. Wrong, wrong, wrong.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed May 31, 2017 11:00 pm

Monker wrote:Right now, at the very least Michael Flynn is going to jail, or will cut a deal to testify.


For breaking what law? Be specific. And remember, the Logan Act has never once been used in 200 years.

Monker wrote:He leading the US AWAY from being a respectable power, and to being a country that should be ignored and not counted on by its allies. Trump is leading us to a position of being less important than Gernany, France, Brittan.


Allies should be self-reliant. Merkel's speech about "we can't rely on US and UK" was just exploiting the nationalist sentiment that has given rise to Trump and Brexit.

Monker wrote:Where Trump is leading us is being like the Swiss...that nobody gives a shit about.


The Swiss have better life expectancy and healthcare than pretty much anyone. I hope we DO emulate them.

Monker wrote:The sad thing, it's what YOU ALL wanted when cast your vote. To demean and exit NATO, end trade agreements, end climate change agreements, pull out of every international agreement we have made. When you isolate yourself from the world, you can't lead it.


Remind me - which country dropped the MOAB on ISIS and also launched strikes on Syria? Was it Merkel? Macron? We're not waiting around for anyone to lead.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby verslibre » Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:26 am

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:19 pm

Monker wrote:He leading the US AWAY from being a respectable power, and to being a country that should be ignored and not counted on by its allies. Trump is leading us to a position of being less important than Gernany, France, Brittan.


Allies should be self-reliant. Merkel's speech about "we can't rely on US and UK" was just exploiting the nationalist sentiment that has given rise to Trump and Brexit. [/quote]

Her speech was obviously an expression of her belief that America can no longer be trusted to be an ally. It's not exploiting anything....but warning that a time may come when Europe,or a NATO member, may expect the help of the US but the US will not respond as a good ally should be expected to.

Remind me - which country dropped the MOAB on ISIS and also launched strikes on Syria? Was it Merkel? Macron? We're not waiting around for anyone to lead.


Yeah, it takes a lot of leadership to drop bombs or airstrikes in a WAR ZONE. What a stupid thing for you to say.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:42 am

Exactly what I am saying;
https://www.yahoo.com/news/forget-trump ... 01198.html

Forget Trump’s bluster. The world is walking all over him.
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U.S. President Donald Trump (C) walks past French President Emmanuel Macron (L) and German Chancellor Angela Merkel on his way to his spot for a family photo during the NATO summit at their new headquarters in Brussels, Belgium May 25, 2017. (Photo: Jonathan Ernst/Reuters)
President Trump passes French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel on his way to a photo shoot during the NATO summit May 25. (Photo: Jonathan Ernst/Reuters)


President Trump woke up incensed Tuesday morning, apparently because after he finally got through lecturing European leaders about how they had to take more responsibility for themselves, Germany’s chancellor had the audacity to suggest that European countries should take more responsibility for themselves.

“The times when we could rely on others have passed us by a little bit,” was Angela Merkel’s takeaway from her most recent meeting with Trump. She said European powers “needed to take our fate into our own hands,” which prompted Trump to fire off an angry tweet assailing the trade gap with Germany and vowing to make the country spend more on defense.

Because what we really need are fewer BMWs manufactured in South Carolina and more of a German military presence in Europe. That’s always worked out great before.

But really, all this focus on Trump’s tweets and the stories about his boorishness abroad should please the White House no end. The more the narrative focuses on Trump’s toughness and bluster with our allies, the less anyone focuses on what’s really been exposed in these opening months of his presidency.

Trump is weak, and our rivals have figured it out. They’re walking all over the American president in a way we haven’t seen since at least the days of disco and Space Invaders.

None of this seems to permeate the family circle of Trump’s White House, where, as ever, mythology crowds out any notion of policy or reality.

As Hope Hicks, Trump’s onetime corporate flack, put it in a breathtaking statement this week that Trump himself might well have authored, the president “has a magnetic personality and exudes positive energy,” has “an unparalleled ability to communicate with people,” “treats everyone with respect” and is of course “brilliant with a great sense of humor.”

Out here in the world that isn’t Narnia, though, we’ve all got enough of a sample size now to know what kind of leader Trump is.


Trump punches down. Like all bullies, he prefers to flex his muscle with those who are inherently smaller, or where the stakes are impossibly trivial.

He’ll hurl his cutting asides at an aide, or berate some poor guy at the National Park Service who refuses to lie about the size of a crowd. He’ll mock Arnold Schwarzenegger for low ratings. He’ll bravely shove aside the president of Montenegro, which no one could circle on a map.

Like all Twitter trolls, he’s got an endless supply of insults to be dished out in 140 characters or less, using all caps and exclamation points, as long as he doesn’t have to stand in front of you and look at you level.

Just how tough is Trump when the adversary isn’t someone who works for him or serves as a prop in some way? Ask the Turkish despot, Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

A few weeks ago, just after Erdogan visited the White House, a bunch of Turkish goons kicked in the heads of protesters outside the country’s embassy on Massachusetts Avenue. Thanks to this excellent video analysis from the New York Times, we know that several of these thugs had ties to Turkey’s security service, and they could be seen conferring with the Turkish president himself before deciding to plunge into the crowd.

Erdogan watched the bloody crackdown from behind the armored window of his car, two miles from the White House.

America does business with all kinds of characters, of course, and what you do at home is your problem. But here we have certain laws and convictions, and when you come to our country, people get to tell you what they think without being bludgeoned.

What did Trump, who talks so tough with other NATO allies, have to say about any of this? Where was the outraged tweet blasting back at a foreign incursion in the American capital? How many Turkish diplomats were expelled?



The answers are nothing, nowhere, and none. Erdogan flipped his middle finger to the White House, in full view of the world, and Trump hid in the West Wing, whining about his press coverage.

You can bet that Erdogan had been watching the way Trump handled Vladimir Putin, after Russian planes and subs showed up to menace the coasts off Alaska and Connecticut. A stronger leader might have politely put the Russians on notice that we take our borders seriously, and the next Russian pilot who wandered into our airspace might not be coming home.

Putin was testing Trump, just trying to see how hard he’d be able to push the man whose campaign he so deftly played to his advantage. About as far as you like — that was the answer.

Then there’s Kim Jong Un, who’s setting off a new rocket every week now, boasting about his intention to reach American targets. He’s already concluded that Trump will leave that whole Korean headache to the Chinese, as long as no one’s conspiring to hit us with more decent, reasonably priced hatchbacks.

Why are Trump’s competitors so confident they can brush him aside? Probably they can see that he doesn’t have much grasp of world affairs, or a ton of interest. Maybe they imagine he’s too preoccupied with controversy back home to get himself into any global standoffs.

But the better explanation is that other world leaders can sense something essential about Trump. The one thing they share is probably an innate ability to size people up. You don’t get to the top of any political system, large or small, without a shrewd eye for what drives human behavior.

And what they see in Trump is insecurity. The carrying on about his ratings and poll numbers, the impulsive tweets on a sleepless night, the childlike boasts and pleading diatribes — all of it betrays a need to be loved, rather than feared.

They look at how Trump sucks up to a miniature authoritarian like the Philippines’ Rodrigo Duterte (who Trump gushed was doing “an unbelievably good job” during an embarrassing phone call in May), and they see a man who admires steel in others precisely because he doesn’t possess it himself.



All of this creates an opening for a leader like Merkel or France’s Emmanuel Macron, who see a vacuum emerging in the West. Macron made a point this week of demonstrating what spine in a statesman looks like, condemning Russia’s anti-gay bigotry and state-controlled media while standing next to Putin himself. (And this was after Macron gripped Trump’s hand as if he meant to pulverize and eat it.)

It creates a promising moment for China, too, which is already positioning itself beyond Asia as the steadfast successor to American power, economically and militarily.

But the pressing danger here isn’t that Trump — and, by extension, American leadership — gets eclipsed. It’s that Trump’s passivity in the face of petty aggression almost certainly invites a more consequential variety.

It’s one thing for the Russians to have poked our border patrol with no response. But what happens when their troops are crossing the border of a Baltic nation instead, because Putin figures no one will stop him? What happens when North Korea finally gets a rocket to Guam — because, you know, why not?

Indifference toward aggression has never spared America from war. And irate tweets have never ended one.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby S2M » Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:48 am

<Trump Promises Broken>
1. Mexico will pay for border wall
2. Better health care, much better, for less money
3. Obamacare replacement will cover everybody, Gov't will pay for it
4. Not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid
5. Lower prescription drug prices
6. Kill Iran nuclear deal
7. Defeat Isis quickly
8. Total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States
9. Register all Muslims in a database
10. Cancel new Air Force One
11. Jail Hillary Clinton
12. Declare China a currency manipulator on day one
13. 45% tariff on imports from China
14. 35% tariff on companies that move jobs overseas
15. Grow the economy 4% per year
16. Renegotiate or leave NAFTA
17. Will have great negotiators for diplomats, not political contributors
18. Offer UK quick and “fair” trade deal shortly after taking office
19. Going to be working for you. Not going to have time to go play golf
20. Four American prisoners (in Iran) back in our country before take office
21. Bring coal miner jobs back
22. Hiring freeze on all federal employees except military, safety & health
23. Spend less defending Europe, Japan & Korea
24. Abolish gun-free zones in schools and military bases
25. Move American Embassy to Jerusalem
Tom Brady IS the G.O.A.T.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby JBlake » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:12 am

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What model did you have jBlake?


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