They're Eating The Dogs Presidential Thread

[Monker]

[so actual politicians should be expected to 'school' him in political arenas. I.E. Angela Merkel....but again, please.

Why should anybody care whether or not President Trump behaves "Politically Correctly" as long as he accomplishes what we need him to? Part of the reason he is the president is because he isn't "one of them", you know, the swamp people.

When he accomplishes something of substance, let me know.

Republicans have the House, Senate, and White House. What Donald Judas Trump accomplished was to set a new standard for how to hold all the power and still not get anything "of substance" done.

[Memorex]

[so actual politicians should be expected to 'school' him in political arenas. I.E. Angela Merkel....but again, please.

Why should anybody care whether or not President Trump behaves "Politically Correctly" as long as he accomplishes what we need him to? Part of the reason he is the president is because he isn't "one of them", you know, the swamp people.

When he accomplishes something of substance, let me know.

I was curious, so I googled. This is what I found. It's a conservative site obviously meant to tout accomplishments, but they are mostly facts none the less.

President Trump accomplished many of his campaign promises by his 100th day in office, and he had already made significant progress by then, most notably by reducing regulations, enforcing American immigration laws, and appointing and having the Senate confirm his Supreme Court nominee Neil Gorsuch.[9][10][11] In his first 100 days as president, Trump signed the most pieces of legislation of any president since Harry Truman and more executive orders than any previous president.[12] By his 100th day, it was clear that Trump had disrupted the liberal political establishment consensus.[13] Additionally, a poll taken shortly before the 100th day of Trump's presidency indicated that 96% of his supporters would have voted for him again had an election been held that day.[14]

http://www.conservapedia.com/Donald_Trump_achievements

[S2M]

<Trump Promises Broken>
1. Mexico will pay for border wall
2. Better health care, much better, for less money
3. Obamacare replacement will cover everybody, Gov't will pay for it
4. Not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid
5. Lower prescription drug prices
6. Kill Iran nuclear deal
7. Defeat Isis quickly
8. Total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States
9. Register all Muslims in a database
10. Cancel new Air Force One
11. Jail Hillary Clinton
12. Declare China a currency manipulator on day one
13. 45% tariff on imports from China
14. 35% tariff on companies that move jobs overseas
15. Grow the economy 4% per year
16. Renegotiate or leave NAFTA
17. Will have great negotiators for diplomats, not political contributors
18. Offer UK quick and “fair” trade deal shortly after taking office
19. Going to be working for you. Not going to have time to go play golf
20. Four American prisoners (in Iran) back in our country before take office
21. Bring coal miner jobs back
22. Hiring freeze on all federal employees except military, safety & health
23. Spend less defending Europe, Japan & Korea
24. Abolish gun-free zones in schools and military bases
25. Move American Embassy to Jerusalem

[Memorex]

<Trump Promises Broken>
1. Mexico will pay for border wall
2. Better health care, much better, for less money
3. Obamacare replacement will cover everybody, Gov't will pay for it
4. Not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid
5. Lower prescription drug prices
6. Kill Iran nuclear deal
7. Defeat Isis quickly
8. Total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States
9. Register all Muslims in a database
10. Cancel new Air Force One
11. Jail Hillary Clinton
12. Declare China a currency manipulator on day one
13. 45% tariff on imports from China
14. 35% tariff on companies that move jobs overseas
15. Grow the economy 4% per year
16. Renegotiate or leave NAFTA
17. Will have great negotiators for diplomats, not political contributors
18. Offer UK quick and “fair” trade deal shortly after taking office
19. Going to be working for you. Not going to have time to go play golf
20. Four American prisoners (in Iran) back in our country before take office
21. Bring coal miner jobs back
22. Hiring freeze on all federal employees except military, safety & health
23. Spend less defending Europe, Japan & Korea
24. Abolish gun-free zones in schools and military bases
25. Move American Embassy to Jerusalem

How can you have broken promises less than 6 months into the presidency when most of those things rely on Congress? I wonder if I could find 25 things about any president in the last 240 years in their first 6 months.

[Monker]

Funny you post this on a day the DOW dropped nearly 160pts, and has been more or less stagnant since March.

So, we have Tech stocks making a correction...if that spreads to the broader market every gain below gets erased. In fact, there could be a Bear market and things go negative.

Where the DOW is on any given day is not an "accomplishment"...it's just where the DOW is on that day.

This is from three months ago.

"The DOW daily closing stock market average rose more than 15% since the election on November 8th. (On November 9th the DOW closed at 18,332 – on March 1st the DOW closed at 21,115).
* Since the Inauguration on January 20th the DOW rose 6.5%. (It was at 19,827 at January 20th and reached 21,115 on March 1st.)
* The DOW took just 66 days to climb from 19,000 to above 21,000, the fastest 2,000 point run ever. The DOW closed above 19,000 for the first time on November 22nd and closed above 21,000 on March 1st.
* The DOW closed above 20,000 on January 25th and the March 1st rally matched the fastest-ever 1,000 point increase in the DOW at 24 days.
* The US Stock Market gained $2 trillion in wealth since Trump was elected!
* The S&P 500 broke $20 Trillion for the first time in its history.
* In the history of the DOW, going back to January 1901, the DOW record for most continuous closing high trading days was set in January of 1987 when Ronald Reagan was President. The DOW set closing highs an amazing 12 times in a row that month. On February 28th President Trump matched President Reagan when the DOW reached a new high for its 12th day in a row!

President Trump decreased the US Debt in his first 100 days by $100 Billion. (President Obama increased the US debt in his first 100 days by more than $560 Billion.)

The US Manufacturing Index soared to a 33 year high in this period which were the best numbers since 1983 under President Reagan.

President Trump added 298,000 jobs in his first month alone (after President Obama said jobs were not coming back!).

Housing sales are red-hot. In 2011, houses for sale were on the market an average 84 days. This year, it’s just 45 days.

Illegal immigration is down 67% since President Trump’s Inauguration.

NATO announced Allied spending is up $10 Billion because of President Trump.

After being nominated by President Trump, Constitutionalist Judge Neil Gorsuch was confirmed and sworn in as Supreme Court Justice in early April.

The President has signed 66 executive orders, memoranda and proclamations as of April 19th, including:

* Notifying Congress of a strike on Syria after it was reported that the country used gas on its citizens.
* Dismantling Obama’s climate change initiatives.
* Travel bans for individuals from a select number of countries embroiled in terrorist atrocities.
* Enforcing regulatory reform.
* Protecting Law enforcement.
* Mandating for every new regulation to eliminate two.
* Defeating ISIS.
* Rebuilding the military.
* Building a border wall.
* Cutting funding for sanctuary cities.
* Approving pipelines.
* Reducing regulations on manufacturers.
* Placing a hiring freeze on federal employees.
* Exiting the US from the TPP.

In addition to all this, the President has met with many foreign leaders from across the globe including Xi from China, Abe from Japan, etc.

The President also pointed out numerous times that the MSM (Main Stream Media) reports only on a made up Russia conspiracy story and ignores these accomplishments. These actions are making the majority of Americans aware of the tremendous bias in the media in the US and abroad. This too is another major Trump accomplishment."

ISIS is on it's heals and about to lose in Iraq. Their leader is dead.

[Boomchild]

How can you have broken promises less than 6 months into the presidency when most of those things rely on Congress? I wonder if I could find 25 things about any president in the last 240 years in their first 6 months.

S2M's argument is just being lazy. Basically "picking the low hanging fruit".

[Monker]

<Trump Promises Broken>
1. Mexico will pay for border wall
2. Better health care, much better, for less money
3. Obamacare replacement will cover everybody, Gov't will pay for it
4. Not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid
5. Lower prescription drug prices
6. Kill Iran nuclear deal
7. Defeat Isis quickly
8. Total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States
9. Register all Muslims in a database
10. Cancel new Air Force One
11. Jail Hillary Clinton
12. Declare China a currency manipulator on day one
13. 45% tariff on imports from China
14. 35% tariff on companies that move jobs overseas
15. Grow the economy 4% per year
16. Renegotiate or leave NAFTA
17. Will have great negotiators for diplomats, not political contributors
18. Offer UK quick and “fair” trade deal shortly after taking office
19. Going to be working for you. Not going to have time to go play golf
20. Four American prisoners (in Iran) back in our country before take office
21. Bring coal miner jobs back
22. Hiring freeze on all federal employees except military, safety & health
23. Spend less defending Europe, Japan & Korea
24. Abolish gun-free zones in schools and military bases
25. Move American Embassy to Jerusalem

How can you have broken promises less than 6 months into the presidency when most of those things rely on Congress? I wonder if I could find 25 things about any president in the last 240 years in their first 6 months.

While campaigning he made all kinds of promises that were going to happen in the first 100 days...most (if not all) of this list. If you actually READ the list, he said many of these were to be done ON DAY ONE! And, some of those on the list are just so simple...playing less golf because he is so busy. He has golfed MORE than Obama...and taken more vacations. I mean, come on. This isn't that complicated....Trump is a LIAR and a SALESMAN.

[Boomchild]

So anybody know if GITMO has been closed?
Has there been a "path to citizenship" for Illegal Aliens?
Have families healthcare premiums been cut by $2500 annually?
Did people get to keep their plan if they like their plan?
Did people get to keep their doctor of they like their doctor?
Were Democrats and Republicans brought together to pass an agenda?

[S2M]

I posted this earlier, but I'll repost for the learning disabled:

Here's the official breakdown of the 'laws' passed by Trump: As of a month ago.

13 laws - Repealing Obama-era rules. Basically reversing laws Obama passed.
5 laws - appointing personnel. Really? Way to pad the law total!
4 laws - Recognizing vets. Actually these are good ones. Congrats Clyde!
3 laws - Modifying existing ones.
2 laws - Encouraging agencies to innovate.
1 law - Extending Obama-era policy.

"Congress passes laws all the time, naming post offices after people, doing minor things that they can get through," said Leon Panetta, who served as defense secretary in the Obama administration and as chief of staff to President Bill Clinton. Panetta doesn't see any major legislation in this administration's first 100 days.

"Presidents throughout history are acknowledged as a success when they get legislation passed through the Congress — major legislation that affects the lives of people. And that ultimately will be the test for this president," Panetta said.


The 28 Bills That Trump Has Signed Into Law

Extending Obama-Era Policy:

S. 544: "A bill to amend the Veterans Access, Choice, and Accountability Act of 2014 to modify the termination date for the Veterans Choice Program, and for other purposes."


Modifying Existing Programs:

H.R. 353: "Weather Research and Forecasting Innovation Act of 2017"
S. 442: "National Aeronautics and Space Administration Transition Authorization Act of 2017"
H.R. 72: "GAO Access and Oversight Act of 2017"

Repealing Obama-Era Rules And Regulations:

H.J.Res. 67: "Disapproving the rule submitted by the Department of Labor relating to savings arrangements established by qualified State political subdivisions for non-governmental employees"
H.J.Res. 43: "Providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the final rule submitted by Secretary of Health and Human Services relating to compliance with title X requirements by project recipients in selecting subrecipients"
H.J.Res. 69: "Providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the final rule of the Department of the Interior relating to 'Non-Subsistence Take of Wildlife, and Public Participation and Closure Procedures, on National Wildlife Refuges in Alaska' "
H.J.Res. 83: "Disapproving the rule submitted by the Department of Labor relating to 'Clarification of Employer's Continuing Obligation to Make and Maintain an Accurate Record of Each Recordable Injury and Illness' "
S.J.Res. 34: "A joint resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the Federal Communications Commission relating to 'Protecting the Privacy of Customers of Broadband and Other Telecommunications Services' "
H.J.Res. 42: "Disapproving the rule submitted by the Department of Labor relating to drug testing of unemployment compensation applicants"
H.J.Res. 57: "Providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the Department of Education relating to accountability and State plans under the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965"
H.J.Res. 58: "Providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the Department of Education relating to teacher preparation issues"
H.J.Res. 37: "Disapproving the rule submitted by the Department of Defense, the General Services Administration, and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration relating to the Federal Acquisition Regulation"
H.J.Res. 44: "Disapproving the rule submitted by the Department of the Interior relating to Bureau of Land Management regulations that establish the procedures used to prepare, revise, or amend land use plans pursuant to the Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976"
H.J.Res. 40: "Providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the Social Security Administration relating to Implementation of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007"
H.J.Res. 38: "Disapproving the rule submitted by the Department of the Interior known as the Stream Protection Rule"
H.J.Res. 41: "Providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of a rule submitted by the Securities and Exchange Commission relating to 'Disclosure of Payments by Resource Extraction Issuers' "


Naming Something/Siting A Memorial/Encouraging Flag Flying:

S.J.Res. 1: "A joint resolution approving the location of a memorial to commemorate and honor the members of the Armed Forces who served on active duty in support of Operation Desert Storm or Operation Desert Shield"
H.R. 1362: "To name the Department of Veterans Affairs community-based outpatient clinic in Pago Pago, American Samoa, the Faleomavaega Eni Fa'aua'a Hunkin VA Clinic"
H.R. 609: "To designate the Department of Veterans Affairs health care center in Center Township, Butler County, Pennsylvania, as the 'Abie Abraham VA Clinic' "
S. 305: "Vietnam War Veterans Recognition Act of 2017"


Encouraging An Agency To Try Something New:

H.R. 321: "Inspiring the Next Space Pioneers, Innovators, Researchers, and Explorers (INSPIRE) Women Act"
H.R. 255: "Promoting Women in Entrepreneurship Act"


Personnel-Related:

S.J.Res. 30: "A joint resolution providing for the reappointment of Steve Case as a citizen regent of the Board of Regents of the Smithsonian Institution"
S.J.Res. 36: "A joint resolution providing for the appointment of Roger W. Ferguson as a citizen regent of the Board of Regents of the Smithsonian Institution"
S.J.Res. 35: "A joint resolution providing for the appointment of Michael Govan as a citizen regent of the Board of Regents of the Smithsonian Institution"
H.R. 1228: "To provide for the appointment of members of the Board of Directors of the Office of Compliance to replace members whose terms expire during 2017, and for other purposes"
S. 84: "A bill to provide for an exception to a limitation against appointment of persons as Secretary of Defense within seven years of relief from active duty as a regular commissioned officer of the Armed Forces"


So basically nothing really of substance other than the space stuff, Women's issue, and a couple of Veterans issues.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Why should anybody care whether or not President Trump behaves "Politically Correctly" as long as he accomplishes what we need him to? Part of the reason he is the president is because he isn't "one of them", you know, the swamp people.

Precisely. S2M's criteria for electing a president seems to be how well he or she reads a teleprompter.

[S2M]

Why should anybody care whether or not President Trump behaves "Politically Correctly" as long as he accomplishes what we need him to? Part of the reason he is the president is because he isn't "one of them", you know, the swamp people.

Precisely. S2M's criteria for electing a president seems to be how well he or she reads a teleprompter.

Tough to drain a swamp, when you've surrounded yourself with swamp people.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I posted this earlier, but I'll repost for the learning disabled:

Here's the official breakdown of the 'laws' passed by Trump: As of a month ago.

13 laws - Repealing Obama-era rules. Basically reversing laws Obama passed.
5 laws - appointing personnel. Really? Way to pad the law total!
4 laws - Recognizing vets. Actually these are good ones. Congrats Clyde!
3 laws - Modifying existing ones.
2 laws - Encouraging agencies to innovate.
1 law - Extending Obama-era policy.

"Congress passes laws all the time, naming post offices after people, doing minor things that they can get through," said Leon Panetta, who served as defense secretary in the Obama administration and as chief of staff to President Bill Clinton. Panetta doesn't see any major legislation in this administration's first 100 days.

"Presidents throughout history are acknowledged as a success when they get legislation passed through the Congress — major legislation that affects the lives of people. And that ultimately will be the test for this president," Panetta said.


The 28 Bills That Trump Has Signed Into Law

Extending Obama-Era Policy:

S. 544: "A bill to amend the Veterans Access, Choice, and Accountability Act of 2014 to modify the termination date for the Veterans Choice Program, and for other purposes."


Modifying Existing Programs:

H.R. 353: "Weather Research and Forecasting Innovation Act of 2017"
S. 442: "National Aeronautics and Space Administration Transition Authorization Act of 2017"
H.R. 72: "GAO Access and Oversight Act of 2017"

Repealing Obama-Era Rules And Regulations:

H.J.Res. 67: "Disapproving the rule submitted by the Department of Labor relating to savings arrangements established by qualified State political subdivisions for non-governmental employees"
H.J.Res. 43: "Providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the final rule submitted by Secretary of Health and Human Services relating to compliance with title X requirements by project recipients in selecting subrecipients"
H.J.Res. 69: "Providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the final rule of the Department of the Interior relating to 'Non-Subsistence Take of Wildlife, and Public Participation and Closure Procedures, on National Wildlife Refuges in Alaska' "
H.J.Res. 83: "Disapproving the rule submitted by the Department of Labor relating to 'Clarification of Employer's Continuing Obligation to Make and Maintain an Accurate Record of Each Recordable Injury and Illness' "
S.J.Res. 34: "A joint resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the Federal Communications Commission relating to 'Protecting the Privacy of Customers of Broadband and Other Telecommunications Services' "
H.J.Res. 42: "Disapproving the rule submitted by the Department of Labor relating to drug testing of unemployment compensation applicants"
H.J.Res. 57: "Providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the Department of Education relating to accountability and State plans under the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965"
H.J.Res. 58: "Providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the Department of Education relating to teacher preparation issues"
H.J.Res. 37: "Disapproving the rule submitted by the Department of Defense, the General Services Administration, and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration relating to the Federal Acquisition Regulation"
H.J.Res. 44: "Disapproving the rule submitted by the Department of the Interior relating to Bureau of Land Management regulations that establish the procedures used to prepare, revise, or amend land use plans pursuant to the Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976"
H.J.Res. 40: "Providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the Social Security Administration relating to Implementation of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007"
H.J.Res. 38: "Disapproving the rule submitted by the Department of the Interior known as the Stream Protection Rule"
H.J.Res. 41: "Providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of a rule submitted by the Securities and Exchange Commission relating to 'Disclosure of Payments by Resource Extraction Issuers' "


Naming Something/Siting A Memorial/Encouraging Flag Flying:

S.J.Res. 1: "A joint resolution approving the location of a memorial to commemorate and honor the members of the Armed Forces who served on active duty in support of Operation Desert Storm or Operation Desert Shield"
H.R. 1362: "To name the Department of Veterans Affairs community-based outpatient clinic in Pago Pago, American Samoa, the Faleomavaega Eni Fa'aua'a Hunkin VA Clinic"
H.R. 609: "To designate the Department of Veterans Affairs health care center in Center Township, Butler County, Pennsylvania, as the 'Abie Abraham VA Clinic' "
S. 305: "Vietnam War Veterans Recognition Act of 2017"


Encouraging An Agency To Try Something New:

H.R. 321: "Inspiring the Next Space Pioneers, Innovators, Researchers, and Explorers (INSPIRE) Women Act"
H.R. 255: "Promoting Women in Entrepreneurship Act"


Personnel-Related:

S.J.Res. 30: "A joint resolution providing for the reappointment of Steve Case as a citizen regent of the Board of Regents of the Smithsonian Institution"
S.J.Res. 36: "A joint resolution providing for the appointment of Roger W. Ferguson as a citizen regent of the Board of Regents of the Smithsonian Institution"
S.J.Res. 35: "A joint resolution providing for the appointment of Michael Govan as a citizen regent of the Board of Regents of the Smithsonian Institution"
H.R. 1228: "To provide for the appointment of members of the Board of Directors of the Office of Compliance to replace members whose terms expire during 2017, and for other purposes"
S. 84: "A bill to provide for an exception to a limitation against appointment of persons as Secretary of Defense within seven years of relief from active duty as a regular commissioned officer of the Armed Forces"


So basically nothing really of substance other than the space stuff, Women's issue, and a couple of Veterans issues.

Killing TPP, telling NATO members to pay up, placing illegal immigration and trade deals into the spotlight....these are MAJOR deviations from the establishment orthodoxy. To quote Obama, "Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not, and a way that Bill Clinton did not." Out of the three admins, who passed more laws? My guess is Nixon actually. In the end, the legislative scorecard is not what matters.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Hey Scat2Manure, do everybody a favor and keep your posts to a simple "duhhh". After all, when you're said and done, that's pretty much what they amount too. Dumb ass.

LOL.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I'm not talking down my own country. I am saying we already are a great country.

Funny, I never hear you talk about the fundamental greatness of America. Unlike you, I'm a realist - 20% of the population can't read. Infant mortality rates is inferior to Slovakia! Nearly 40% of Americans are obese. Nearly 50 million below poverty. We are great with major areas of improvement. It's easy to be fixated on Russia when you are oblivious to challenges in your own backyard.

By the simple fact that he is President he turns our great country into a second rate nation that would rather follow than lead, who rather isolate itself rather then take its rightful place as leader of the free world.

You lead by example. Not by imposing your way of life on allies at the end of a barrel of a gun. Jefferson (ever hear of him?) called for peace with all nations - and "entangling alliances with none."

Donald Jackass Trump is not a great leader, a great deal maker, a great man, a great speaker, a great politician, a great business man, or ga reat human being . All he is is a salesman....and morons like you bought into his pitch.

I liked the pitch and I bought the product. Will likely do so again in 2020. And yea, he is such a shitty deal-maker that US and Russia just reached a ceasefire in Syria. Hopefully when Trump wins re-election in a landslide you will finally seek professional help for your warped perception of reality.

[Boomchild]

I liked the pitch and I bought the product. Will likely do so again in 2020. And yea, he is such a shitty deal-maker that US and Russia just reached a ceasefire in Syria. Hopefully when Trump wins re-election in a landslide you will finally seek professional help for your warped perception of reality.

I think you have to be pretty obtuse to not understand that ALL politicians or anyone running for a public office
is a salesman\pitchman.They are trying to SELL YOU on their ideas, positions and philosophy.

[S2M]

I'm not talking down my own country. I am saying we already are a great country.

Funny, I never hear you talk about the fundamental greatness of America. Unlike you, I'm a realist - 20% of the population can't read. Infant mortality rates is inferior to Slovakia! Nearly 40% of Americans are obese. Nearly 50 million below poverty. We are great with major areas of improvement. It's easy to be fixated on Russia when you are oblivious to challenges in your own backyard.

By the simple fact that he is President he turns our great country into a second rate nation that would rather follow than lead, who rather isolate itself rather then take its rightful place as leader of the free world.

You lead by example. Not by imposing your way of life on allies at the end of a barrel of a gun. Jefferson (ever hear of him?) called for peace with all nations - and "entangling alliances with none."

Donald Jackass Trump is not a great leader, a great deal maker, a great man, a great speaker, a great politician, a great business man, or ga reat human being . All he is is a salesman....and morons like you bought into his pitch.

I liked the pitch and I bought the product. Will likely do so again in 2020. And yea, he is such a shitty deal-maker that US and Russia just reached a ceasefire in Syria. Hopefully when Trump wins re-election in a landslide you will finally seek professional help for your warped perception of reality.

It's extremely telling that 7 months into a 4 year term, and you're already saying you'll likely vote for him again. And you wonder where I get the 'party over country' statement...

As unstable and volatile as this guy's psyche is - he's liable to lead this country to war before you even get the chance...

[The_Noble_Cause]

It's extremely telling that 7 months into a 4 year term, and you're already saying you'll likely vote for him again. And you wonder where I get the 'party over country' statement...

I would have said the same thing 7 months into Obama's first term So? I don't have a party. Trump was maybe the second or third time I ever voted for someone besides a Dem (or a third party). I already enumerated accomplishments (TPP, NATO etc) that make me lean toward this decision. It's obvious what party you belong to tho. Labeling everybody on here a traitor who doesn't have an "Im With Her" bumper sticker on their prius makes you sound like a petulant baby. People are entitled to their own opinions. Deal with it.

As unstable and volatile as this guy's psyche is - he's liable to lead this country to war before you even get the chance...

Sure, sure. Meanwhile the Democrats are saber-rattling every day for WW3 with Russia. And your candidate, Hillary, pretty much ran on a No Fly Zone in Syria. That why she lost. Donald ran to her left on foreign policy and she ended up sounding like Dick Cheney in a pantsuit. Historically, the Dems are the war party anyways. But that's another topic entirely...

[The_Noble_Cause]

Clinton was well on her way to getting us into war with Russia. Must everything you post be bullshit? Again, stick with "Duhhh" and save people time, and Andrew space.

Pretty much. I still consider myself a progressive on many issues, but S2M brings nothing to the table. Just "Trump sucks."

[S2M]

It's extremely telling that 7 months into a 4 year term, and you're already saying you'll likely vote for him again. And you wonder where I get the 'party over country' statement...

I would have said the same thing 7 months into Obama's first term So? I don't have a party. Trump was maybe the second or third time I ever voted for someone besides a Dem (or a third party). I already enumerated accomplishments (TPP, NATO etc) that make me lean toward this decision. It's obvious what party you belong to tho. Labeling everybody on here a traitor who doesn't have an "Im With Her" bumper sticker on their prius makes you sound like a petulant baby. People are entitled to their own opinions. Deal with it.

As unstable and volatile as this guy's psyche is - he's liable to lead this country to war before you even get the chance...

Sure, sure. Meanwhile the Democrats are saber-rattling every day for WW3 with Russia. And your candidate, Hillary, pretty much ran on a No Fly Zone in Syria. That why she lost. Donald ran to her left on foreign policy and she ended up sounding like Dick Cheney in a pantsuit. Historically, the Dems are the war party anyways. But that's another topic entirely...

Historically? Bullshit...since the late stages of Vietnam, it's been the republicans. Kennedy was going to pull out of Vietnam. Johnson signed to stay there...and since then it's been all conservatives. Desert Storm was Bush Sr. Iraq was Bush Jr.

And Trump didn't fire 12 Tomahawk missiles into Shayrat Airbase?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Historically? Bullshit...since the late stages of Vietnam, it's been the republicans. Kennedy was going to pull out of Vietnam. Johnson signed to stay there...and since then it's been all conservatives. Desert Storm was Bush Sr. Iraq was Bush Jr.

Democratic Party been around since 1800s. History doesn't start at "late stages of Vietnam" - a Democrat war btw.

[S2M]

Historically? Bullshit...since the late stages of Vietnam, it's been the republicans. Kennedy was going to pull out of Vietnam. Johnson signed to stay there...and since then it's been all conservatives. Desert Storm was Bush Sr. Iraq was Bush Jr.

Democratic Party been around since 1800s. History doesn't start at "late stages of Vietnam" - a Democrat war btw.

I don't care what presidents did in the 1800s. For the last 50 years it's been the republicans. So when you say 'Historically', you're talking ancient history. I'll give you Vietnam, the start. I still don't know why the fuck we went there. WWII and WW1 were no-brainers...no reason to blame ANY party for those.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I don't care what presidents did in the 1800s. For the last 50 years it's been the republicans. So when you say 'Historically', you're talking ancient history. I'll give you Vietnam, the start. I still don't know why the fuck we went there. WWII and WW1 were no-brainers...no reason to blame ANY party for those.

We just had a holiday - July 4th - did you celebrate it? Or was that irrelevant ancient history also ? Democrats are the war party (War I, II, Korea and Vietnam etc). It's just a fact.

[S2M]

I don't care what presidents did in the 1800s. For the last 50 years it's been the republicans. So when you say 'Historically', you're talking ancient history. I'll give you Vietnam, the start. I still don't know why the fuck we went there. WWII and WW1 were no-brainers...no reason to blame ANY party for those.

We just had a holiday - July 4th - did you celebrate it? Or was that irrelevant ancient history also ? Democrats are the war party (War I, II, Korea and Vietnam etc). It's just a fact.

Are you fucking serious?! You can't blame JUSTIFIED wars on a certain party because they were in office. Are you saying that 1, 2, and Korea wouldn't have happened if a republican was in office? Can someone say REVISIONIST HISTORY?

[Boomchild]

As unstable and volatile as this guy's psyche is - he's liable to lead this country to war before you even get the chance...

And if Hillary won the election we may have been at war already with Russia. She was ready to take military action against the Russian air force assistance in Syria. To which Putin made it VERY CLEAR that he would have considered such action as an act of war against Russia. It would also be likely that she would start up the assassination machine too. To take out Wikileaks' Assange as payback. She has had that thought in her head going back to her days as SOS. She was quoted asking "Can't we just drone this guy?" Democrats as a whole have been all but beating the war drums against Russia since the fake "Russian Hacking" story.



https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/78 ... 62?lang=en

[Monker]

As unstable and volatile as this guy's psyche is - he's liable to lead this country to war before you even get the chance...

And if Hillary won the election we may have been at war already with Russia. She was ready to take military action against the Russian air force assistance in Syria. To which Putin made it VERY CLEAR that he would have considered such action as an act of war against Russia. It would also be likely that she would start up the assassination machine too. To take out Wikileaks' Assange as payback. She has had that thought in her head going back to her days as SOS. She was quoted in one of the leaked documents as saying "Can't we just drone this guy?" Democrats as a whole have been all but beating the war drums against Russia since the fake "Russian Hacking" story.

for 8yrs we had to listen to people like you saying Obama was soft on Russia. Now you are saying the SOS wanted to go to war. And, use a leaked JOKE about a drone as some type of evidence. Hypocritical, nonsensical, BULLSHIT it was you people are touting. NOBODY wants war with Russia

[Boomchild]

Accomplishment?

Department of Veterans Affairs officials have fired more than 500 misbehaving employees since January, according to data posted online Friday.

VA Secretary David Shulkin touted his agency's decision to publish its efforts to hold VA employees accountable, unveiling new requirements for updating the public on personnel actions.

"Veterans and taxpayers have a right to know what we're doing to hold our employees accountable and make our personnel actions transparent," Shulkin said in a statement. "Posting this information online for all to see, and updating it weekly, will do just that."

And it's about time we clean up this mess as the VA. Every person serving in our military deserves the healthcare they were promised. This shouldn't even be a political matter. Whether or not you agree or disagree with what they were ordered to do.

[Boomchild]

for 8yrs we had to listen to people like you saying Obama was soft on Russia. Now you are saying the SOS wanted to go to war. And, use a leaked JOKE about a drone as some type of evidence. Hypocritical, nonsensical, BULLSHIT it was you people are touting. NOBODY wants war with Russia

Wrong. The event I'm referring to was during her 2016 campaign. In which she expressed that she would consider using military action against the Russian patrolled no fly zones in Syria. That was AFTER she was SOS. Add to that Putin responded that he would consider it an act of war against Russia. As for the her comment on Assange, only a Clinton stooge would consider a comment like that a joke on such a serious topic. Add to that all those that were associated with the Clintons or were against them ending up dead under mysterious circumstances. But since you brought up Barry, remember the "red line" he gave Assaad? Assad crossed it and Barry flinched. That would be an example of being soft.

[Monker]

I don't care what presidents did in the 1800s. For the last 50 years it's been the republicans. So when you say 'Historically', you're talking ancient history. I'll give you Vietnam, the start. I still don't know why the fuck we went there. WWII and WW1 were no-brainers...no reason to blame ANY party for those.

We just had a holiday - July 4th - did you celebrate it? Or was that irrelevant ancient history also ? Democrats are the war party (War I, II, Korea and Vietnam etc). It's just a fact.

I said that years ago. It used to be that Democrats started the wars and Republicans finished them. Nowadays, it's the other way around. Obama did all he could do to get us out of Iraq and Afghanistan - wars REPUBLICANS started...and ISIS and political pressure from REPUBLICANS put us back in.

So, yes, in the earl and mid 1900's, Democrats can be said to start wars. Since 1980, it's the Republicans. Iraq, Afghanistan, Iraq/Kuwait, Nicaragua, Grenada, Panama. Yeah, Clinton had a couple rounds, and Obama has Libya...but not even close to what the Republicans have done since Reagan...and it seems Trump wants to widen the war with ISIS in Syria, "bomb the hell out of them" is what he said about ISIS. "...and take their oil..." which is a war crime.

And, S2M is correct. As Trump becomes more desperate, the likelyhood of starting a war in N. Korea or expanding the war on ISIS in Syria rises. Anything to distract the voters from the negativity that surrounds him will seriously be considered. That should be obvious to anyone...and he may be convinced it will help his popularity, not just his negatives. It couldn't do much MORE damage...but it didn't help George Bush Sr....and Desert Storm was a popular war.

[Monker]

for 8yrs we had to listen to people like you saying Obama was soft on Russia. Now you are saying the SOS wanted to go to war. And, use a leaked JOKE about a drone as some type of evidence. Hypocritical, nonsensical, BULLSHIT it was you people are touting. NOBODY wants war with Russia

Wrong. The event I'm referring to was during her 2016 campaign. In which she expressed that she would consider using military action against the Russian patrolled no fly zones in Syria. That was AFTER she was SOS. Add to that Putin responded that he would consider it an act of war against Russia.

What a bunch of crap. You said she wanted to go to war with Russia. She made a statement, Russia responded. Did she then say, "Then lets do this thing...when I am President, we will go to war with Russia." No, that is where the story ends...a couple statements of rattling swords. This is not evidence of wanting to go to war against Russia.

As for the her comment on Assange, only a Clinton stooge would consider a comment like that a joke on such a serious topic.

That is exactly what it was...and according to what YOU posted, that is how it was received. Then Clinton turned into a serious topic by saying Assange does not fear the power of the United States...and that is true. That did not mean she was serious about going out and droning him.

Add to that all those that were associated with the Clintons or were against them ending up dead under mysterious circumstances.

Yeah, a bunch of bullshit, made up, conspiracy theories. If the Clintons had such power, they would have got rid of Trump in way early in the election. The whole thing is stupid. So is the the "deep state". Just made up bullshit.

But since you brought up Barry, remember the "red line" he gave Assaad? Assad crossed it and Barry flinched. That would be an example of being soft.

That is called making a mistake and saying something he shouldn't have. It was the right decision at that point to not go after Assaad. And, if he had, you would have another Libya. I would rather have someone in office who is able to eat his words and make the correct decision, instead of a guy who randomly pukes up statements that everybody knows are BULLSHIT but stands by them regardless of how full of shit they are ...Trump does that on an almost DAILY basis.

[Boomchild]

What a bunch of crap. You said she wanted to go to war with Russia. She made a statement, Russia responded. Did she then say, "Then lets do this thing...when I am President, we will go to war with Russia." No, that is where the story ends...a couple statements of rattling swords. This is not evidence of wanting to go to war against Russia.

Nope. I didn't say she WANTED to go to war. I said, "And if Hillary won the election we may have been at war already with Russia". Meaning that as President if she would actually follow through with her statement then Putin would consider it an act of war. That's different then saying at the outset she wants to go to war. In other words, people are throwing around the notion that Trump could make statements or take actions that would bring us to war. I am pointing out that Hillary was presenting that same kind of threat.

That is exactly what it was...and according to what YOU posted, that is how it was received. Then Clinton turned into a serious topic by saying Assange does not fear the power of the United States...and that is true. That did not mean she was serious about going out and droning him.

Assange didn't seem to take it as a joke. If Trump had made this comment YOU and others would be fit to be tied. Saying how un-Presidential it would be for him to do so. BUT, when Queen Hillary says it as a SECRETARY OF STATE, YOU have no problem with it. What a HYPOCRITE you are.

Yeah, a bunch of bullshit, made up, conspiracy theories. If the Clintons had such power, they would have got rid of Trump in way early in the election. The whole thing is stupid. So is the the "deep state". Just made up bullshit.

This coming from someone who blatantly told everyone "Hillary had permission to use a private server". If you believed that whopper then you truly are a Clinton shill and wouldn't even consider the things I mentioned as a possibility.

That is called making a mistake and saying something he shouldn't have. It was the right decision at that point to not go after Assaad. And, if he had, you would have another Libya. I would rather have someone in office who is able to eat his words and make the correct decision, instead of a guy who randomly pukes up statements that everybody knows are BULLSHIT but stands by them regardless of how full of shit they are ...Trump does that on an almost DAILY basis.

I just love how you try to dismiss this as something minor or insignificant. The word blunder would be more appropriate. It gave the world an impression that Barry was weak and\or indecisive. You realize this was The President of The United States making a declaration upon a leader of another country. Someone who is being backed by another world power. A world power that has a nuclear arsenal most likely equal to our own. Again, if Trump had taken this action in the same way, you and others would have had field day criticizing him on it. No matter how it shook out.