Schon Cain Drama Increasing?

[Memorex]

Like I said, first-world problems. One millionaire is irritated with other millionaires. I think if I walked across the country and talked to the people, not one person would give a shit.

[tater1977]

NEAL SCHON MUSIC‏Verified account @NealSchonMusic ·
NEAL SCHON MUSIC‏Verified account @NealSchonMusic
And now about that audit fellas ... it's coming soon

Trying to figure out what he's accusing the others of, especially
by doing an audit

[Eric]

I don't see how anyone could agree with Neal at this point. I do agree with his premise, Journey is about inclusion. Not about one religion or about politics. .

I agree with him on just about everything - except the ultra aggressive social media ranting. HOWEVER, if he had tried for 2 years to discuss this stuff and it didn't work then maybe this was the only way?

- I disagree Cain doesn't bring religion into interviews about Journey.
- It seems Cain's wife has a terrible rep and that is no good for the brand. Being accused of what she is is much different than being a silly reality TV persona IMO.
- I am bored to death and uninspired by the GH jukebox tour they have been doing
- I'm with Schon that the band needs new music and think Cain's attitude about not creating is disgusting
- I'm floored that Rolie wasn't allowed to jam with the band. It's beyond appalling and anyone who voted against that should be gonzo.

The political stuff is dicier for me. It does appear someone arranged press, but I doubt Arnel had anything to do with it. I would have done a VIP tour as well - no matter wo is in office. Whomever set up the press and made it sound like Journey was there was wrong, though.

I also agree with the assertion that Schon might be bringing more attention to some of these things. But I definitely saw the White House stuff from something other than Schon's social media. One of my buddies sent an email razzing me.

If we want a new Journey, Schon is the only way. That's what I want. So while I hope he takes a long vacation from social media - I'm on his side.

[Greg]

I subscribed to Neal Schon's Twitter and enabled notifications yesterday. Holy Cow! I thought my phone was going to blow up! My first observation is, I remember Neal Schon ragging on Steve Perry in the Behind The Music episode about not staying for the M&Gs like the rest the band would. Now, he's done a complete 180 about that. When Steve Perry would cut out and go hang out with Sherrie, it was a problem with the rest of the band. "Elvis has left the building!" But, Neal is doing exactly that. Claims that he got really sick (and also said Perry got sick as well) meeting fans afterwards, so that's why he stopped doing it. Hypocritical!

Cain has never, from my experience, pushed his religious beliefs on the fans in concert. He has talked about his faith in interviews, which is perfectly OK to do. I don't see a problem with that. Obviously he's married to a high profile minister, so it's going to get asked.

Schon posted a snippet of an article where Cain was talking about his faith and how if it influences him to do another record, whether if it's Journey or something else, he's going to do it. That can be taken in so many different ways. Just because his Christian faith might inspire him to write more Journey music doesn't mean that it's necessarily going to be of a religious nature. Maybe it's going to be more inspiring? Instead of writing about divorce, deceit, and something dark, maybe it's more inviting, encouraging, and more positive? What's wrong with that message? It doesn't even have to relate to anything of faith to deliver that message.

I just think Schon was looking for reasons. The only thing that stands out to me that I would call wrong on the other guys' behalf is if it was true about Cain wanting to block Rolie from performing with the band at the RRHoF ceremony. That would have been wrong. But with Neal, what can you actually believe and what is simply not true? The White House thing? Please! That is no reason to break a band up. Schon is throwing Pineda, Cain, and Valory under the bus for that? I can get the desire to be politically agnostic. It gets on my freakin' nerves when these musical acts get all political. Just shut up and play your music.

Having said all of that, I feel bad for Arnel. He'll probably go back to the Philippines and live a life of luxury as he's earned that right. If Cain wants to go and do worship music, then why not? Let him do so. I don't really see a problem with that. If Neal wants a totally new band, well, let him do it. It's either going to be the death nail that permanently puts Journey to rest, or it will stir up more interest in the band. You can only ride the feel good story of Arnel Pineda's rags to riches for so long until that story is done. Maybe a whole new band will spark new interest, new sound, and ideas to the band?

[Archetype]

Neal is meeting with lawyers today. Wonder what will become of it. I think he has wanted Jon gone for a long time- but it seems like he's trying to throw the whole band out with Jon. I still think he'll end up being the one on the outside looking in if he pushes it too far.

[Greg]

Neal is meeting with lawyers today. Wonder what will become of it. I think he has wanted Jon gone for a long time- but it seems like he's trying to throw the whole band out with Jon. I still think he'll end up being the one on the outside looking in if he pushes it too far.

I will be curious to know what the legal aspects are regarding Journey's name, usage of the catalog and so forth. Is it as cut and dry as the name resides with Schon and that is that? Or, can it get more complicated than that? What if for some reason, Schon does lose the legal battle in keeping the name, and then he's the one thrown out of the band? Could that happen?

This is probably why Steve Perry has stayed as far away from Journey as he possibly could. He probably knew at some point, down the line, this was going to happen. It was just a matter of time. It's not going to be a good look, however, kicking Arnel Pineda out of the band.

[George_g888]

Apologies if somebody already posted this, but from neal's official twitter:


@NealSchonMusic
How would you feel if u found out that the rest of the band wanted to tour without me? I've always been 100%JRNY and made the right choices

[Greg]

Apologies if somebody already posted this, but from neal's official twitter:


@NealSchonMusic
How would you feel if u found out that the rest of the band wanted to tour without me? I've always been 100%JRNY and made the right choices

The rest of the band must have their reasons for wanting to go on without Schon, and they haven't told their side of the story yet. They wouldn't simply wake up after all of these years and say, "You know Neal, we don't want you in the band anymore!" There's reasons that we need to hear from the other side of this, and that side hasn't offered those details yet, if they are even allowed to.

[Eric]

The only thing that stands out to me that I would call wrong on the other guys' behalf is if it was true about Cain wanting to block Rolie from performing with the band at the RRHoF ceremony.

I believe this was related to the shows Journey did with Santana last year. Not 100% sure, though.

[Greg]

The only thing that stands out to me that I would call wrong on the other guys' behalf is if it was true about Cain wanting to block Rolie from performing with the band at the RRHoF ceremony.

I believe this was related to the shows Journey did with Santana last year. Not 100% sure, though.

Yeah, I'm unclear on it too. Neal is back on Twitter, twatting away again this morning!

Said something about not having share everything that has been going on. I say, since he's laid out the stuff on Twitter he's laid out, why keep the rest of the stuff held back? Say it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

It seems the tipping point was when they were in Vegas and Cain said they would write and they didn't. Also, remember when Neal took issue with Cain saying he was the guy that wrote Don't Stop Believing. Cain has since changed his Twitter to now say he co-wrote the song.
I still think something else is going on behind the scenes. Neal's behavior is abnormal. It's like somebody on meth.

[brywool]

Yeah, I don't agree that Neal should keep spilling (as voyeuristically fascinating as it is)

The band stuff is what it is but if there's ANY lesson to be learned from Steve Perry, it's 'Take the High Road'. Seriously - Perry was always a private guy and that has served him extremely well. Neal should take a lesson from that. If Neal ends up burning Journey to the ground (as right as he may or may not be) he will have an absolute uphill battle getting anyone to follow whatever new Journey there is to be because he will be seen as the bad guy. He already is if you believe many of the FB/Twitter posts.

[Archetype]

It seems the tipping point was when they were in Vegas and Cain said they would write and they didn't. Also, remember when Neal took issue with Cain saying he was the guy that wrote Don't Stop Believing. Cain has since changed his Twitter to now say he co-wrote the song.
I still think something else is going on behind the scenes. Neal's behavior is abnormal. It's like somebody on meth.

Given Deen's use of meth in the past, it's not totally out of the question that Neal might have gotten into it as well. The "hackers" and "Paula White plant" ramblings are really bizarre.

[Greg]

Yeah, I don't agree that Neal should keep spilling (as voyeuristically fascinating as it is)

The band stuff is what it is but if there's ANY lesson to be learned from Steve Perry, it's 'Take the High Road'. Seriously - Perry was always a private guy and that has served him extremely well. Neal should take a lesson from that. If Neal ends up burning Journey to the ground (as right as he may or may not be) he will have an absolute uphill battle getting anyone to follow whatever new Journey there is to be because he will be seen as the bad guy. He already is if you believe many of the FB/Twitter posts.

Nail on the head there! It's going to be awfully hard to rebuild the Journey brand after kicking Arnel Pineda to the curb. It's not a good look for Journey no matter how you slice it.

[Eric]

Yeah, I don't agree that Neal should keep spilling (as voyeuristically fascinating as it is)

The band stuff is what it is but if there's ANY lesson to be learned from Steve Perry, it's 'Take the High Road'. Seriously - Perry was always a private guy and that has served him extremely well. Neal should take a lesson from that. If Neal ends up burning Journey to the ground (as right as he may or may not be) he will have an absolute uphill battle getting anyone to follow whatever new Journey there is to be because he will be seen as the bad guy. He already is if you believe many of the FB/Twitter posts.

Nail on the head there! It's going to be awfully hard to rebuild the Journey brand after kicking Arnel Pineda to the curb. It's not a good look for Journey no matter how you slice it.

He may have been hurt and lashed out at Arnel, but I doubt he wouldn't want him to be his singer. I don't recommend replacing him either.

[Eric]

It seems the tipping point was when they were in Vegas and Cain said they would write and they didn't. Also, remember when Neal took issue with Cain saying he was the guy that wrote Don't Stop Believing. Cain has since changed his Twitter to now say he co-wrote the song.
I still think something else is going on behind the scenes. Neal's behavior is abnormal. It's like somebody on meth.

Given Deen's use of meth in the past, it's not totally out of the question that Neal might have gotten into it as well. The "hackers" and "Paula White plant" ramblings are really bizarre.

That accusation seems bizarre to me. He looks pretty healthy in those Classic East Vids.

[Hollywood]

I don't see how anyone could agree with Neal at this point. I do agree with his premise, Journey is about inclusion. Not about one religion or about politics. .

I agree with him on just about everything - except the ultra aggressive social media ranting. HOWEVER, if he had tried for 2 years to discuss this stuff and it didn't work then maybe this was the only way?

- I disagree Cain doesn't bring religion into interviews about Journey.
- It seems Cain's wife has a terrible rep and that is no good for the brand. Being accused of what she is is much different than being a silly reality TV persona IMO.
- I am bored to death and uninspired by the GH jukebox tour they have been doing
- I'm with Schon that the band needs new music and think Cain's attitude about not creating is disgusting
- I'm floored that Rolie wasn't allowed to jam with the band. It's beyond appalling and anyone who voted against that should be gonzo.

The political stuff is dicier for me. It does appear someone arranged press, but I doubt Arnel had anything to do with it. I would have done a VIP tour as well - no matter wo is in office. Whomever set up the press and made it sound like Journey was there was wrong, though.

I also agree with the assertion that Schon might be bringing more attention to some of these things. But I definitely saw the White House stuff from something other than Schon's social media. One of my buddies sent an email razzing me.

If we want a new Journey, Schon is the only way. That's what I want. So while I hope he takes a long vacation from social media - I'm on his side.

-I think it is unfair to blame Jonathan for answering questions about faith in an interview.
-Jonathan's new wife does have a bad public reputation. Neal's wife's rep is not much better and she was thrust in the middle of all kinds of band stuff.
-I too am bored with the GH sets. I would prefer more varied setlists. I doubt this will change regardless of any changes. It helps them cash checks.
-I understand both of their positions about new music. They are both correct. New music will keep them vital and creative. It will also cost a lot and not return much. As a
fan I want more new music.
-I agree that Rolie should be allowed to come up anytime he is available and I can't think of a reason not to allow it.

The press goes with anything that's a story. Most of what TMZ reports is celebrities at the airport and restaurants and they make money doing it. Press is always at the White House and if they saw the guys they are going to run with it. And press was most likely there to cover Trump and Paula White-Cain. Not the Journey guys.

Jon and Neal are very different people and when you throw in wives that can cause the divide to grow bigger. I feel their differences have worked in their favor for 30+ years, but clearly is not working any longer. Could be temporary or permanent. Based on history of these two guys the wives will probably be temporary.

Put Journey away for a few years and try to work it out later.

[The_Noble_Cause]

That accusation seems bizarre to me. He looks pretty healthy in those Classic East Vids.

Accusing people every 5 minutes of hacking or sending trolls to your accounts seems normal to you? It's classic paranoid behavior. It's like Ray Liotta at the end of Goodfellas scanning the sky for black helicopters. Dude needs to check into rehab.

[Eric]

That accusation seems bizarre to me. He looks pretty healthy in those Classic East Vids.

Accusing people every 5 minutes of hacking or sending trolls to your accounts seems normal to you? It's classic paranoid behavior. It's like Ray Liotta at the end of Goodfellas scanning the sky for black helicopters. Dude needs to check into rehab.

No. But accusing him of being on meth?

Plus...I haven't read him complaining someone wasn't stirring the sauce with everything going on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf8twMPk3Ps&t=1m43s

[perryfan61]

The funny thing is that I wouldn't have even known that those 3 visited the White House if Neal hadn't been throwing a days long twitter tantrum about it, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Same here.

Probably none of us would know about it if Neal hadn't gone ballistic over the whole thing.... I think he enjoys stirring things up, it makes him feel good.

[HydraRed]

The funny thing is that I wouldn't have even known that those 3 visited the White House if Neal hadn't been throwing a days long twitter tantrum about it, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Same here.

Probably none of us would know about it if Neal hadn't gone ballistic over the whole thing.... I think he enjoys stirring things up, it makes him feel good.

And it doesn't help that people just overflow him with agreement, so it immediately goes to his head and just keeps going on and on and on. I love Neal's playing, but good lord, take a step back and use some sanity or logic. Just because they're part of your favorite band doesn't mean you have to fawn over every word he says and pretend he's some higher being.

[tj]

Sorry, not good with the quotes thing in this forum. From below:

-Jonathan's new wife does have a bad public reputation. Neal's wife's rep is not much better and she was thrust in the middle of all kinds of band stuff.

Jon's wife also has at least a million people who follow her and her teachings. Controversial theology yes, but then what theology isn't? On the other side, I doubt that there are very many people, certainly not nearly as many as Paula White, who support Neal's wife.

[jrnyman28]

The only thing that stands out to me that I would call wrong on the other guys' behalf is if it was true about Cain wanting to block Rolie from performing with the band at the RRHoF ceremony.

I believe this was related to the shows Journey did with Santana last year. Not 100% sure, though.

Neal has said he had to fight to have Gregg perform at the RNRHOF.
And he has said the Santana/Journey shows did not feature Gregg guesting with Journey because Jon and Ross said NO.

[Eric]

The only thing that stands out to me that I would call wrong on the other guys' behalf is if it was true about Cain wanting to block Rolie from performing with the band at the RRHoF ceremony.

I believe this was related to the shows Journey did with Santana last year. Not 100% sure, though.

Neal has said he had to fight to have Gregg perform at the RNRHOF.
And he has said the Santana/Journey shows did not feature Gregg guesting with Journey because Jon and Ross said NO.

Even at the RRHOF. Wow. If any Journey fans sees this and sides with Cain I just don't know what to say. Man-oh-man.

[Eric]

Sorry, not good with the quotes thing in this forum. From below:

-Jonathan's new wife does have a bad public reputation. Neal's wife's rep is not much better and she was thrust in the middle of all kinds of band stuff.

Jon's wife also has at least a million people who follow her and her teachings. Controversial theology yes, but then what theology isn't? On the other side, I doubt that there are very many people, certainly not nearly as many as Paula White, who support Neal's wife.

Jim and Tammy Faye had a lot of "supporters" too. For a while.

[Journey/Survivor]

Uh oh Neal. Crash and burn and kiss that 2018 Def Leopard tour goodbye.[/quote]

That's really no loss. Not unless there are drastic changes made to the set-list.

[Journey/Survivor]

I don't see how anyone could agree with Neal at this point. I do agree with his premise, Journey is about inclusion. Not about one religion or about politics. .

I agree with him on just about everything - except the ultra aggressive social media ranting. HOWEVER, if he had tried for 2 years to discuss this stuff and it didn't work then maybe this was the only way?

- I disagree Cain doesn't bring religion into interviews about Journey.
- It seems Cain's wife has a terrible rep and that is no good for the brand. Being accused of what she is is much different than being a silly reality TV persona IMO.
- I am bored to death and uninspired by the GH jukebox tour they have been doing
- I'm with Schon that the band needs new music and think Cain's attitude about not creating is disgusting
- I'm floored that Rolie wasn't allowed to jam with the band. It's beyond appalling and anyone who voted against that should be gonzo.

The political stuff is dicier for me. It does appear someone arranged press, but I doubt Arnel had anything to do with it. I would have done a VIP tour as well - no matter wo is in office. Whomever set up the press and made it sound like Journey was there was wrong, though.

I also agree with the assertion that Schon might be bringing more attention to some of these things. But I definitely saw the White House stuff from something other than Schon's social media. One of my buddies sent an email razzing me.

If we want a new Journey, Schon is the only way. That's what I want. So while I hope he takes a long vacation from social media - I'm on his side.

Excellent post! I agree with just about everything that you said!

[Journey/Survivor]

Like I said, first-world problems. One millionaire is irritated with other millionaires.

Very true!

[Journey/Survivor]

And it doesn't help that people just overflow him with agreement, so it immediately goes to his head and just keeps going on and on and on.

If everyone stopped responding in any way to Neal's posts, he would eventually stop making them. It's similar to the "Don't feed the trolls" rule.

I remember a few years ago the members of Journey, especially Schon and Cain saying that the plan was to tour through 2017, and to then take 2 or 3 years off from the band, and after that see if they wanted to resume with the band.

What we have here is a band that was going to take 2 or 3 years off. Unfortunately, they are surrounded by publicity whores like Cain's wife, Schon's wife and even Trump himself.

They are starting this controversy to help keep the name Journey in the headlines. Plus one or two other reasons.

[tj]

Sorry, not good with the quotes thing in this forum. From below:

-Jonathan's new wife does have a bad public reputation. Neal's wife's rep is not much better and she was thrust in the middle of all kinds of band stuff.

Jon's wife also has at least a million people who follow her and her teachings. Controversial theology yes, but then what theology isn't? On the other side, I doubt that there are very many people, certainly not nearly as many as Paula White, who support Neal's wife.

Jim and Tammy Faye had a lot of "supporters" too. For a while.

Tammy Faye died a few years ago, but I think Jim is still going at it and people support him. His list of supporters is probably longer than Neal's wife's as well.