They're Eating The Dogs Presidential Thread

[Archetype]

..and I'd hate for them to get killed in another military-industrial complex bolstering war of aggression against a country whose only crime was to want to choose their own path instead of submitting to imperialism.

What a joke. Who in N. Korea is "choosing their own path"? Citizens are not even allowed to leave the country, information is restricted, people are starving...etc.

The famine started and ended in the 1990s and was a result of a multitude of things. Some preventable, others not. Citizens are allowed to leave the country (many work in Russia). If the North Korean citizens are unhappy about any sort of information restriction or anything else, it's up to them to do something about it or die trying. Nothing on that peninsula is worth a single drop of American blood.

[Boomchild]

Nothing on that peninsula is worth a single drop of American blood.

Except for the the fact that you have a leader on that peninsula that has threatened to launch a nuclear weapon on the U.S. and\or one of it's allies. I would be willing to bet that if Trump didn't say something, people would be screaming that he is letting one of our allies down.

[Boomchild]

How many people are imprisoned in the USA for lesser crimes than breaking and entering into a secure government office and stealing things from said office (what Otto Warmbier did)? How many of them are raped and beaten in prison every day? How often is anything done about it? My point isn't to excuse Otto's death, but to show that being confined by the state generally isn't healthy in any nation, and a lot of people are locked up for a lot of bullshit reasons even in the good old land of the free, and some of them die as a result of various incidents or health complications while confined. You're only upset about Warmbier because the media told you to be. If you were genuinely upset about it, you would be angry 24/7 about what happens to prisoners all around the world every single day.

No justice system is perfect. That's not to say that we don't need to question some of the incarceration penalties in our system. But the fact remains that the majority of people incarcerated are so for good valid reasons. There are some human beings that for one reason or another cannot be rehabilitated and therefore society has no choice but to keep them removed from it.

[Boomchild]

The famine started and ended in the 1990s and was a result of a multitude of things. Some preventable, others not. Citizens are allowed to leave the country (many work in Russia). If the North Korean citizens are unhappy about any sort of information restriction or anything else, it's up to them to do something about it or die trying. Nothing on that peninsula is worth a single drop of American blood.

I don't think that you could argue that N. Korea doesn't have a society that has been and still is severely oppressed. I would agree that it's up to their citizens to want to bring about change. But it seems like you are inferring that we are attempting to do "nation building" in N. Korea and that is not the case. We are merely responding to it's leader which is looking to provoke the U.S..

[Archetype]

Nothing on that peninsula is worth a single drop of American blood.

Except for the the fact that you have a leader on that peninsula that has threatened to launch a nuclear weapon on the U.S. and\or one of it's allies. I would be willing to bet that if Trump didn't say something, people would be screaming that he is letting one of our allies down.

If you actually read/watch Kim Jong Un's speeches in their entirety instead of relying on the sound bytes the media here likes to spoon feed to people, he makes it very clear that their nuclear weapons program is a deterrent designed to prevent his country from going the way of Iraq and Libya. Pyongyang regularly cites the attack on Iraq and the intervention and attempted nation building in Libya as their justification for having nuclear weapons. The guy isn't "unhinged" or "rogue." He grew up in Switzerland and attended an international school there for most of his childhood. He understands the world. The current situation was provoked by Trump moving naval groups into the Sea of Japan in an offensive posturing stunt.

[Monker]

So, stating an opinion contrary to yours or "whatever" the "accepted American opinion' is now considered hating the country.

How very Orwellian of you.

It's no different than the thought manipulation that W did after 9/11. That's bullshit....in fact THAT is 'unAmerican'.

You should know. Here are a few examples of you engaging in the very behavior you now rage against....

"How unpatriotic of you. So much for put America first!

"It is pretty pathetic that people exist in this country that has a symbol that says that we welcome them. I feel it is unAmerican, unpatriotic, and wrong."

"It is not "decent". It is unAmerican for EITHER party to protest in such ways. They should be put in jail to keep their President company."

"Frankly, those who disagree I find cowardly and unpatriotic. They represent the lowest of moral standards in this country."

Nowhere did I say that these people "hate America". That is where KC stepped over the line. Disagreeing with the government and speaking your mind IS patriotic.

But, since you all are the ones who are all friendly towards Russia, I guess you may as well adopt their thought police type policies, too.

Let's face it. The only reason you criticized Iraq is because it came from a Republican. As proven by the quote above, you are all-in on interventionist BS when it comes from a Democrat. The Russia hacking narrative is 10x flimsier than Iraq WMD ever was.

Did you even read what I said I would do if I were Trump? If N. Korea attacks the US, as far as I'm concerned is the end of the cease fire of the Korean war...a war which never officially ended. But, I do NOT believe in a preemptive strike against North Korea. And, I think Donald Trump is a flat out liar by even implying that is an option.

[Archetype]

Both Archetype and Monker have just stated CLEARLY that they back North Korea. No surprise here. That's why they want to continue Clinton, Bush and Obama's policies which have failed and helped to make North Korea a Nuclear power. Disgusting!

You're one of those black and white "with us or against us" kind of mental midgets, aren't you? Just kills you folks to see someone say to leave another alone to no detriment of the US, doesn't it? Since you're so pro-war, I am curious about which branch you served in.

Just calling out an idiot traitor. If Trumps words to north Korea offend you, but North Koreas wanting to blow you up doesn't, You're some kind of special stupid.

"Idiot"
"Traitor"
"If.....offends you"
"Special stupid"

Is there some alt-right hypernationalist discussion handbook out there that I don't know about? You all seem to use the same lines. Good job dodging my question about which branch you served in, though. Just another lame keyboard warrior wanting to cheerlead for more death and destruction around the world.

And dude, what are you even doing on this website? Literally 99 fucking percent of your 3,000 + posts are in the Donald Trump or Barack Obama threads. Aren't there dedicated political forums out there?

[AR]

Nothing on that peninsula is worth a single drop of American blood.

Except for the the fact that you have a leader on that peninsula that has threatened to launch a nuclear weapon on the U.S. and\or one of it's allies. I would be willing to bet that if Trump didn't say something, people would be screaming that he is letting one of our allies down.

If you actually read/watch Kim Jong Un's speeches in their entirety instead of relying on the sound bytes the media here likes to spoon feed to people, he makes it very clear that their nuclear weapons program is a deterrent designed to prevent his country from going the way of Iraq and Libya. Pyongyang regularly cites the attack on Iraq and the intervention and attempted nation building in Libya as their justification for having nuclear weapons. The guy isn't "unhinged" or "rogue." He grew up in Switzerland and attended an international school there for most of his childhood. He understands the world. The current situation was provoked by Trump moving naval groups into the Sea of Japan in an offensive posturing stunt.

Can I fucking purchase a ticket for you to visit North Korea you fucking idiot?

You deserve a punch in the fucking face.

[AR]

Remember this?

[Archetype]

AR, are you under 10 years old or what? I've literally had smarter conversations with 10 year olds. Sorry you're not very good at contributing to a conversation. I'm inferring that you're very pro-war by your response. How many years did you serve and in what branch? Why do you feel your comrades in arms deserve to die over a barren rock on the other side of the world?

[Archetype]

Remember this?

Yep, he broke into a secure government office and stole something. If you don't want to do the time, don't do the crime. Break into your local IRS office and let me know if you don't get jail time.

[AR]

AR, are you under 10 years old or what? I've literally had smarter conversations with 10 year olds. Sorry you're not very good at contributing to a conversation. I'm inferring that you're very pro-war by your response. How many years did you serve and in what branch? Why do you feel your comrades in arms deserve to die over a barren rock on the other side of the world?

You are piece of shit. Period.

[AR]

Stating this very clear. I am not pro war at all. This entire situation is not good. Can got kicked down the road way too long. I used to work for the Department of Defense in the 1990's. We were discussing this THEN!

[Archetype]

AR, are you under 10 years old or what? I've literally had smarter conversations with 10 year olds. Sorry you're not very good at contributing to a conversation. I'm inferring that you're very pro-war by your response. How many years did you serve and in what branch? Why do you feel your comrades in arms deserve to die over a barren rock on the other side of the world?

You are piece of shit. Period.

Why am I not surprised that you weren't able to answer a single one of my questions?

[AR]

AR, are you under 10 years old or what? I've literally had smarter conversations with 10 year olds. Sorry you're not very good at contributing to a conversation. I'm inferring that you're very pro-war by your response. How many years did you serve and in what branch? Why do you feel your comrades in arms deserve to die over a barren rock on the other side of the world?

You are piece of shit. Period.

Why am I not surprised that you weren't able to answer a single one of my questions?

Fuck off. Someone is threatening to nuke U.S. territories and YOU ARE MAKING EXCUSES FOR IT!

[Archetype]

Fuck off. Someone is threatening to nuke U.S. territories and YOU ARE MAKING EXCUSES FOR IT!

Caps lock isn't going to change the fact that you're completely in the wrong. You're going to have to do better.

[AR]

Why am I not surprised that you weren't able to answer a single one of my questions?

Fuck off. Someone is threatening to nuke U.S. territories and YOU ARE MAKING EXCUSES FOR IT!

Caps lock isn't going to change the fact that you're completely in the wrong. You're going to have to do better.

You and Monker should suck each other off.

[Archetype]

You and Monker should suck each other off.

This displays a high level of perversion in your thinking. You should be ashamed of yourself. And since you've yet to answer any of my questions and only keep gnashing your teeth like a baby, I'll assume that you never had the balls to put the uniform on and you're just a lame internet keyboard warrior who loves war and the big picture be damned so long as other people are doing it. Carry on. Sorry I got your panties in such a tizzie.

[AR]

You and Monker should suck each other off.

This displays a high level of perversion on your thinking. You should be ashamed of yourself. And since you've yet to answer any of my questions and only keep gnashing your teeth like a baby, I'll assume that never had the balls to put the uniform on and you're just a lame internet keyboard warrior who loves war and the big picture be damned so long as other people are doing it. Carry on. Sorry I got your panties in such a tizzie.

You are piece of shit. And I am not a keyboard warrior. My name and address are very available.

[Archetype]

You and Monker should suck each other off.

This displays a high level of perversion on your thinking. You should be ashamed of yourself. And since you've yet to answer any of my questions and only keep gnashing your teeth like a baby, I'll assume that never had the balls to put the uniform on and you're just a lame internet keyboard warrior who loves war and the big picture be damned so long as other people are doing it. Carry on. Sorry I got your panties in such a tizzie.

You are piece of shit. And I am not a keyboard warrior. My name and address are very available.

You still can't answer any of my questions. Very telling. Must be tough to go through life when you're so adamant about being wrong.

[AR]

You still can't answer any of my questions. Very telling. Must be tough to go through life when you're so adamant about being wrong.

Obviously you are the one with his ass in a tizzy. I will pay for your trip to North Korea.

[Archetype]

You still can't answer any of my questions. Very telling. Must be tough to go through life when you're so adamant about being wrong.

Obviously you are the one with his ass in a tizzy. I will pay for your trip to North Korea.

Vulgarity, implied and explicit threats of violence (classic keyboard warrior in two ways now) and constant deflection are all I see from you. Classic symptoms that your panties are in a hell of a tizzie. Reality can be frustrating, I know.

[Monker]

Why am I not surprised that you weren't able to answer a single one of my questions?

Fuck off. Someone is threatening to nuke U.S. territories and YOU ARE MAKING EXCUSES FOR IT!

Caps lock isn't going to change the fact that you're completely in the wrong. You're going to have to do better.

You and Monker should suck each other off.

How do you equate the two of us? *I* said that we should be bolstering our military in the region, publicly say that any attack on Guam is an act of war towards the United States which would result in a full reply in our military strength, and end the cease-fire for the Korean War.

In addition what is coming out of the orange freak's face is not believable. Partly because every orange word that comes out of his face is a lie and partly because there has been virtually NO military movements to back him up. There is no 'plan'. He's lying.

How does that equate to what Archetype is saying? Just because I do not believe he "hates America" because he does not back up the orange, small handed, lying, freak's word's or opinion of North Korea does not mean he hates the country. It means he doesn't agree with the future ex-President.

[Monker]

Stating this very clear. I am not pro war at all. This entire situation is not good. Can got kicked down the road way too long. I used to work for the Department of Defense in the 1990's. We were discussing this THEN!

So you worked for the DoD. You were not wearing the uniform and deployed over seas. Big deal.

You are a Chicken-Hawk. As is Trump...he avoided the Vietnam War FIVE TIMES = Chicken Hawk.

[Monker]

Both Archetype and Monker have just stated CLEARLY that they back North Korea. No surprise here. That's why they want to continue Clinton, Bush and Obama's policies which have failed and helped to make North Korea a Nuclear power. Disgusting!

You're one of those black and white "with us or against us" kind of mental midgets, aren't you? Just kills you folks to see someone say to leave another alone to no detriment of the US, doesn't it? Since you're so pro-war, I am curious about which branch you served in.

Just calling out an idiot traitor. If Trumps words to north Korea offend you, but North Koreas wanting to blow you up doesn't, You're some kind of special stupid.

No, you are being the thought police and posting bullshit to attempt to squash and silence the opposing viewpoint. He is not a traitor for having an opposing POV. That is not being a traitor and he does not hate his country either.

You seem to not believe that he has the right to express himself, and the privilege to do so on this forum. YOU are the one acting counter to the principles from which this country is founded. YOU are the one acting as if you would rather live in an authoritative regime where views counter to those in power are considered being a traitor. YOU are the one who seems to rather be living under a regime like Russia where voices against the government are considered hateful and being a traitor. In the US, rights to speak against the government are protected...and in fact doing so keeps our government in check and avoids it being authoritative. If more people have spoken up, and the press had done their job earlier, MAYBE Iraq would not have become the mess that it became.

Perhaps AR should buy YOU a ticket to North Korea...they seem to have a government far more to your liking.

[Monker]

About time someone stood up to a nothing country and puts a stop to their nuclear power before they get it and do what they threaten to do, use it on us. But you'll understand.

Yeah, good job W. We are all so glad you stood up to Saddam and his threats of WMD. AWESOME JOB!

You are such an idiot! I mean, you are ridiculous.

Trump isn't standing up to ANYBODY because he is full of shit and everybody knows it. It will not surprise me in the least if Kim shoots off a test missile in the direction of Guam. TRUMP will shit his pants because HE promised starting a nuclear war over it.

We have an idiot in office.

BTW, I predicted a month or so ago that something like this would happen...to distract us from Mueller and the various investigations. Pretty good timing.

Except now Trump being so illiterate that he can't truly condemn white supremacist groups has over shadowed North Korea...it's almost funny if these events were not so dangerous and tragic.

[Archetype]

Archetype,

First off what,when, where and how I post is none of your fucking buisiness.Most of my posts and the reason I started posting was because of Monkers bullshit and how he treated people, which is how I treat people like him, which is still none of your fucking buisiness. When I served, how I served, and when I served is none of your fucking buisiness. I'm also on many of those websites dealing with liberal assholes that treat people like crap because they don't think like liberals, which also is none of your fucking buisiness. Where you post, how you live or lived I could give a rats ass about. Don't like me, then shut the fuck up and leave me alone. I give what I get. I don't post to TNC anymore like I do to Monker. He doesn't deserve it. He posts with respect and he gets it in return. He's still a liberal. He just isn't in goose step with his party and a sheep. He has his own mind. For that, you guys turned on him. You come on here like another flip liberal asshole and got treated like it. Now you try to make me out to be a Klan member? What a asshole. As far as war, it's time for you "cave in" assholes to get out of the way before we have one. If that idiot launches, may it land in your city and not mine. You can send him a card explaining how you understand and apologize, if your still around. One of the biggest problems of liberals is, they never see when they've failed and if they have too, it's " anybody but me is at fault". Trump is calling your hero's bullshit. He isn't going to launch, and he's learning Obama and Clinton aren't in power so he's not going to get billions anymore. GOOD FOR TRUMP. About time someone stood up to a nothing country and puts a stop to their nuclear power before they get it and do what they threaten to do, use it on us. But you'll understand.

Virtue signaling white knight-esque delusions here. Seek help.

[Archetype]

You and Monker should suck each other off.

This displays a high level of perversion in your thinking. You should be ashamed of yourself. And since you've yet to answer any of my questions and only keep gnashing your teeth like a baby, I'll assume that you never had the balls to put the uniform on and you're just a lame internet keyboard warrior who loves war and the big picture be damned so long as other people are doing it. Carry on. Sorry I got your panties in such a tizzie.

Just when and where did you serve since you seem to be interested in things that are none of your buisiness?

Looks like you're just another chicken-hawk. So pathetic.

[The_Noble_Cause]

How many people are imprisoned in the USA for lesser crimes than breaking and entering into a secure government office and stealing things from said office (what Otto Warmbier did)?

No. He attempted to steal a poster from a hotel. Are you saying that everyone that steals from a hotel (towels, soap etc) should be imprisoned and tortured? In America, a first-time theft usually won't even land you in jail.

How many of them are raped and beaten in prison every day? How often is anything done about it?

You are asking how many foreigners are detained by US and tortured as a matter of US policy? Not very many. Foreigners are routinely detained in North Korea and tortured.

My point isn't to excuse Otto's death, but to show that being confined by the state generally isn't healthy in any nation and a lot of people are locked up for a lot of bullshit reasons even in the good old land of the free, and some of them die as a result of various incidents or health complications while confined.

So torture = "various incidents or health complications"? You are simply making excuses for evil.

You're only upset about Warmbier because the media told you to be.

What, exactly, did the media tell me? Are you disputing the basic facts that they detained and tortured an American college student to death?

If you were genuinely upset about it, you would be angry 24/7 about what happens to prisoners all around the world every single day.

Otto's case is not the same as "prisoners all around the world." As already mentioned, if you steal a Snickers bar in America, you do not end up a drooling comatose vegetable.

If you were genuinely upset about it, you would be angry 24/7 about what happens to prisoners all around the world every single day.

And the only reason you’re not upset is because you were born braindead, much like the condition Otto was left in.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Disagreeing with the government and speaking your mind IS patriotic.

Sure it is. Except when you disagree with it. Then you start lashing out and calling everybody "unAmerican" or "unpatriotic." You are a hypocrite.

Did you even read what I said I would do if I were Trump? If N. Korea attacks the US, as far as I'm concerned is the end of the cease fire of the Korean war...a war which never officially ended. But, I do NOT believe in a preemptive strike against North Korea. And, I think Donald Trump is a flat out liar by even implying that is an option.

I don't really care what you say. You have been caught in some many lies at this point.