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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:41 pm

[quote="slucero"]The same people who couldn't stop talking about Russia 24/7 are the ones now yelling about Nazis non-stop.....[/quoet]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/opin ... ml?mcubz=0

I Voted for Trump. And I Sorely Regret It.
By JULIUS KREINAUG. 17, 2017

When Donald Trump first announced his presidential campaign, I, like most people, thought it would be a short-lived publicity stunt. A month later, though, I happened to catch one of his political rallies on C-Span. I was riveted.

I supported the Republican in dozens of articles, radio and TV appearances, even as conservative friends and colleagues said I had to be kidding. As early as September 2015, I wrote that Mr. Trump was “the most serious candidate in the race.” Critics of the pro-Trump blog and then the nonprofit journal that I founded accused us of attempting to “understand Trump better than he understands himself.” I hoped that was the case. I saw the decline in this country — its weak economy and frayed social fabric — and I thought Mr. Trump’s willingness to move past partisan stalemates could begin a process of renewal.

It is now clear that my optimism was unfounded. I can’t stand by this disgraceful administration any longer, and I would urge anyone who once supported him as I did to stop defending the 45th president.

Far from making America great again, Mr. Trump has betrayed the foundations of our common citizenship. And his actions are jeopardizing any prospect of enacting an agenda that might restore the promise of American life.

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What, you may wonder, especially in the wake of Charlottesville, Va., did I possibly see in this candidate?

Although crude and meandering for almost all of the primary campaign, Mr. Trump eschewed strict ideologies and directly addressed themes that the more conventional candidates of both parties preferred to ignore. Rather than recite paeans to American enterprise, he acknowledged that our “information economy” has delivered little wage or productivity growth. He was willing to criticize the bipartisan consensus on trade and pointed out the devastating effects of deindustrialization felt in many communities. He forthrightly addressed the foreign policy failures of both parties, such as the debacles in Iraq and Libya, and rejected the utopian rhetoric of “democracy promotion.” He talked about the issue of widening income inequality — almost unheard of for a Republican candidate — and didn’t pretend that simply cutting taxes or shrinking government would solve the problem.

He criticized corporations for offshoring jobs, attacked financial-industry executives for avoiding taxes and bemoaned America’s reliance on economic bubbles over the last few decades. He blasted the Jeb Bush and Ted Cruz campaigns for insincerely mouthing focus-grouped platitudes while catering to their largest donors — and he was right. Voters loved that he was willing to buck conventional wisdom and the establishment.

He flouted GOP orthodoxy on entitlements, infrastructure spending and, at times, even health care and “culture war” issues like funding Planned Parenthood. His statements on immigration were often needlessly inflammatory, but he correctly diagnosed that our current system makes little sense for most Americans, as well as many immigrants, and seems designed to benefit the wealthy at the expense of working people.

Yes, Mr. Trump’s policy positions were poorly defined, but these days, most candidates’ positions are. And yes, he had little support from the Republican Party leadership. But many of us thought even this might be a positive if it forced him to focus on “making deals” rather than on Washington’s usual ideological posturing. He was never going to fulfill all of his over-the-top promises, but we believed that his administration might achieve some meaningful successes.

In my writing, I tried to steer this administration in the right direction. During the presidential primaries, the blog I helped organize, called the Journal of American Greatness, was one of the leading voices supporting certain themes of Trump’s campaign. (Michael Anton, now a National Security Council adviser, was our most prolific writer.) Then, after the election, I founded a quarterly journal, American Affairs, largely to question elements of what is often called the neoliberal policy consensus — totally open borders for capital and labor; transferring power from national governments to transnational technocracies; unfettered markets; and democracy promotion as the sole premise of foreign policy. In other words, the disappointing legacy we inherited from the Bushes and the Clintons that helped pave the way to Mr. Trump’s election.

In this role, as one of the few people in the media who has been somewhat sympathetic to Mr. Trump, I am often asked to comment on his surprise victory, or more recently on his statements, policies and the gusher of news pouring out of this White House. For months, despite increasing chaos and incoherence, I have given Mr. Trump the benefit of the doubt: “No, I don’t really think he is a racist,” I have told skeptical audiences. “Yes, he says some stupid things, but none of it really matters; he’s not really that incompetent.” Or: “They’ve made some mistakes, but it’s still early.”

It’s no longer early. Not only has the president failed to make the course corrections necessary to save his administration, but his increasingly appalling conduct will continue to repel anyone who might once have been inclined to work with him.

From the very start of his run, one of the most serious charges against Mr. Trump was that he panders to racists. Many of his supporters, myself included, managed to convince ourselves that his more outrageous comments — such as the Judge Gonzalo Curiel controversy or his initial hesitance to disavow David Duke’s endorsement — were merely Bidenesque gaffes committed during the heat of a campaign.

It is now clear that we were deluding ourselves. Either Mr. Trump is genuinely sympathetic to the David Duke types, or he is so obtuse as to be utterly incapable of learning from his worst mistakes. Either way, he continues to prove his harshest critics right.

Mr. Trump once boasted that he could shoot someone in the street and not lose voters. Well, someone was just killed in the street by a white supremacist in Charlottesville. His refusal this weekend to specifically and immediately denounce the groups responsible for this intolerable violence was both morally disgusting and monumentally stupid. In this, Mr. Trump failed perhaps the easiest imaginable test of presidential leadership. Rather than advance a vision of national unity that he claims to represent, his indefensible equivocation can only inflame the most vicious forces of division within our country.

If Mr. Trump had been speaking about the overall political climate, he might have been right to say that “many sides” are responsible for exacerbating social tensions. Yet during the events in Charlottesville this past weekend, only one side — a deranged white nationalist — was responsible for killing anyone. To equivocate about this fact is the height of irresponsibility. Even those concerned about the overzealous enforcement of political correctness can hardly think that apologizing for neo-Nazis is a sensible alternative.

Those of us who supported Mr. Trump were never so naïve as to expect that he would transform himself into a model of presidential decorum upon taking office. But our calculation was that a few cringe-inducing tweets were an acceptable trade-off for a successful governing agenda.

Yet after more than 200 days in office, Mr. Trump’s behavior grows only more reprehensible. Meanwhile, his administration has no significant legislative accomplishments — and no apparent plan to deliver any. Wilbur Ross’s Commerce Department has advanced some sensible and appropriately incremental changes to trade policy, but no long-term agenda has been articulated. Senators Tom Cotton and David Perdue’s recently proposed legislation offers a sound basis for reforming immigration policy, but seems to have no prospects and has received comparatively little attention. The administration inexplicably downgraded infrastructure and corporate tax reform — issues with potentially broad-based support — to pursue a warmed-over version of Paul Ryan’s Obamacare repeal, which ended, predictably, in a humiliating failure.

Nothing disastrous has occurred on the foreign policy front — yet — but the never-ending chaos within the administration hardly inspires confidence. Many senior-level appointees are still not in place, including the assistant secretaries of state, for example. And too many of those who are in office appear to be petty, clueless, and rather repulsive ideologues, like Steve Bannon, who seem to spend most of their time accusing one another of being “swamp creatures.” It’s pathetic. No wonder an increasing number of officials are simply ignoring the president, an alarming but understandable development.

Effectively a third-party president without a party, Mr. Trump has faced extraordinary resistance from the media, the bureaucracy and even within the Republican Party. But the administration has committed too many unforced errors and deserves most of the blame for its failures. Far from making the transformative “deals” he promised voters, his only talent appears to be creating grotesque media frenzies — just as all his critics said.

Those who found some admirable things in the hazy outlines of Mr. Trump’s campaign — a trade policy focused on national industrial development; a less quixotic foreign policy; less ideological approaches to infrastructure, health care and entitlements — will have to salvage that agenda from the wreckage of his presidency. On that, I’m not ready to give up.

Julius Krein (@JuliusKrein) is the founder and editor of American Affairs.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:46 pm

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:Monker, this Russia bullshit you hang on has produced ZERO, NADA, Nothing in 11 months. Produce or shut up.

Speaking of producing,

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavl ... ign=buffer


Yawn...

If you want to know day by day what is going on, demand a public investigation. Otherwise, stop being whiny Trump bitch and wait for Mueller and the committees to finish their CLASSIFIED investigations.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:11 pm

Fact Finder wrote:So now you C&P.

Tell us how you feel, or does the NYT speak for you?

If you believe that shit you are screwed.


Uh, huh, sure.

My point is that is a REPUBLICAN critiquing Trump.

How about Corker's latest words? Essentially saying Trump is unfit for office.

It isn't JUST people like me who are advancing the idea that Trump is WAY OFF BASE with this string of crap dealing with Charlottesville. Republicans and his general support is also starting to turn against him.

We fought a war to stop the Nazi agenda. Now Trump has difficulty in condemning them. And, he has had difficulty condemning white supremists..multiple times over since he was announced he war running.

Now, Trump is advocating dipping bullets in pigs blood and assassinating terrorists. Basically, supporting war crimes in today's world.

Trump is a NUT.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:15 pm

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:So now you C&P.

Tell us how you feel, or does the NYT speak for you?

If you believe that shit you are screwed.


Moveon speaks for him.


Nobody "speaks for me".

Sluc posted that the people critiquing Trump over Charlottesville are the same people who critiqued him for Russia. It's just not true. The article I posted is an example...and it is an example of why his core support may start leaving him.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:16 pm

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:Another peaceful liberal

/www.yahoo.com/news/anti-donald-trump-campaigner-apos-103802971.html..

This has nothing to do with Monkers 11 months on a soap box believing a lie. Can't wait for Wikileaks to blow him out of the water soon. Yet another Monker lie about to be exposed.


No, it has to do with you not knowing how to copy/paste a URL. LOL
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby AR » Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:03 pm

Here is a post for no reason whatsoever. But to my liberal friends please do not "fat shame" this lovely woman.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Aug 19, 2017 12:35 am

Monker wrote: I have never said there are 'fine people in the Antifa'...as Trump said about White Supremacists and Nazi's.


Trump never said this. He said there was good people caught up in the violence. Both sides. He's right.

Monker wrote: This has been an absolutely devastating blow to Trump...admit it or not.


LOL. Sure, sure. Just like all the other alleged career-enders (McCain captured, comments, pussy grabber comments).

Monker wrote:Their party leader can not even properly condemn white supremacists and Nazi's.


I heard him unequivocally disown them multiple times. He also stuck up for social traditionalists that don't want to see historic sculptures taken down. Removing sculptures of historic import is no different than book burning. Liberal fascists like you and the media are outraged because Trump cast you out on no-uncertain terms.

Monker wrote:No way. As YOU pointed out, the Klan's numbers are only in the thousands...THAT is the only group where he may gain support. Well, white supremacists and those who support them. Regardless, he's going to lose even more support in congress...which means impeachment and conviction are becoming more and more possible, soon it will be probable.


Trump's comments appealed to a whole segment of Americans that don't believe in re-writing history. You are totally misreading this. Nothing new there tho.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Aug 19, 2017 12:45 am

Monker wrote:Uh, huh, sure.

My point is that is a REPUBLICAN critiquing Trump.


Who the fuck cares? Trump didn't have the wholesale support of the GOP. The RNC chair thought Trump should resign for comments made during the race. The party standard bearer, Romney, was against Trump. The GOP never has and never will fully support Trump. Mitchell McConnell prolly voted Hillary.

Monker wrote:We fought a war to stop the Nazi agenda. Now Trump has difficulty in condemning them. And, he has had difficulty condemning white supremists..multiple times over since he was announced he war running.


Trump has condemned David Duke, Nazis etc repeatedly. In addition to removing statues, liberals, like you, are now engaging in the Big Lie theory.

Monker wrote:Now, Trump is advocating dipping bullets in pigs blood and assassinating terrorists. Basically, supporting war crimes in today's world.

Trump is a NUT.


Maybe you would like to provide them with tea and crumpets instead? Pussy.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Aug 19, 2017 12:46 am

Monker wrote:Yawn...

If you want to know day by day what is going on, demand a public investigation. Otherwise, stop being whiny Trump bitch and wait for Mueller and the committees to finish their CLASSIFIED investigations.


Investigation into what? I'll wait....
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Aug 19, 2017 12:49 am

Monker wrote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/opin ... ml?mcubz=0

I Voted for Trump. And I Sorely Regret It.
By JULIUS KREINAUG. 17, 2017



Written by the "founder and editor of American Affairs." Sounds like some globalist shit rag. Guess what? I regret voting for Obama. Do I get an above-the-fold op-ed?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Aug 19, 2017 12:52 am

Monker wrote:So, you are saying the White Nationalists and Nazi's stand on the same moral ground as those who oppose them.


Are you saying that the anarchist and violent anti-fa has morals? As Chomsky recently just said, anti-fa "is a major gift to the Right, including the militant Right, who are exuberant." Liberal titans like Martin Luther King jr and Ghandi preached non-violence and would be disgusted.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:07 am

Monker wrote:I want you to stand up AGAINST Russia influence over our government in ANY WAY. You, as a Republican, as Reagan as your party's spiritual leader, should be OUTRAGED at how Trump invited Putin into the Oval Office.


Actually, idiots like you were OUTRAGED when Reagan met with Gorbachev at Reykjavik to discuss disarmament. Reagan's legacy is detente with Russia. Now liberals want to send us back to the days of bomb shelters and hiding under desks.

Monker wrote:And, you should be OUTRAGED that he obviously LIED about knowing who David Duke was, and allowing weeks of debate to go by before he denounced him and refused his endorsement. You should be OUTRAGED that Charlottesville happened and Trump could not get himself to condemn white supremacists and Nazi's. Then he DOES condemn them, but David Duke throws out a bunch of Tweets, and Donald Judas Trump balks and goes back to his original statement.


Trump has been denouncing Duke since the 90s. Such bullshit.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... a512ae4652

Monker wrote:Republicans ran politically as being the morally superior party for DECADES. Now, with the election of Donald Judas Trump, you have no grounds to claim ANY more superiority over anybody.


Wow. You really don't get it. Trump won running as Trump. Not as some country club, Jeb Bush, evangelical Republican. Those days are over.

Monker wrote:If Hillary had won, and even 1/10 of this shit happened...


She lost. Get over it. We all told you she would lose. You didn't listen. You mocked Bernie and the liberal base. Reap what you sow.

Monker wrote:...you all would be burning down the White House. It's hypocritical bullshit and you know it.


Yea ok. :roll: When Obama was in power, there were Tea Party rallies where peaceful Americas congregated and cleaned up after themselves. With Trump in power, liberals are waging outright civil war.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby AR » Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:18 am

Since Charlottesville 11 people killed and 40 wounded in Chicago, 5 killed in Baltimore, but at least the left can argue over statues. :roll:
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:46 am

Archetype wrote:There's a huge difference between actively defending North Korea and being able to see their point of view and say "let's leave them alone and let certain annhilation for them be a deterrence" (it worked for the Soviet Union and appears to be working now).


That's not accurate. The Soviet Union fell after years of an aggressive arms race and waging US-Soviet proxy wars (Guatemala, El Salvador etc). We did not simply leave them alone.

Archetype wrote:Combined with the verifiable fact that North Korean senior leadership has repeatedly stated that their nuclear program is strictly a deterrence of their own and they harbor no sincere intent to use their weapons in an offensive capacity- strictly defensively.


State controlled media has continued to release videos showing the U.S. capitol being destroyed. If you know anything about the hermit kingdom, as you claim, you know their media is censored to control what their citizens know. It is the same tactics employed by high-control apocalyptic cult groups.

Archetype wrote: Their rhetoric about Guam after came after American warships showed up off of their coastline in the Sea of Japan. It's also possible to maintain the position that there's absolutely nothing on the Korean Peninsula that's worth a single drop of American blood (as I stated several pages back before you you had your meltdown)..


Who is calling for American blood? Think fast - when Israel took out Saddam's reactors, how many drops of Israeli blood were spilled? Now obviously, N. Korea's nuclear facilities are deep underground. But the point is, not every option requires mass American casualties.

Archetype wrote:Anyone who is able to absorb and digest all of this information and still demand war between these two countries needs to pack their bags and sign up for the military with the specific intention of being on the front lines of this battle. If you believe in this war that genuinely, you need to be prepared to fight it.


Again you are putting words in peoples's mouths. Who is demanding war? If I want more police in a dangerous section of the neighborhood, do I have to immediately became a cop?

Archetype wrote:...and also enjoy the entertainment and utilitarian nature of North Korean style rhetoric in purse swinging contests.


Whatever. Here's a link of an old post where you literally included a link to a North Korean propaganda video. Let me guess - more satire? HA ha ha? :roll:
You are one weird fucker.

viewtopic.php?f=93&t=60765&p=4720687&hilit=leader#p4720687

Archetype wrote:And no, I still don't give a single fuck about what happened to Otto Warmbier. He did the crime and he did the time for it.


15 years imprisonment for stealing a poster? Umm, ok. The time should be commensurate with the crime.

Archetype wrote: Being confined by the state isn't healthy in any country, and people die as a result of various factors of imprisonment every single day in many, many nations.


So if I steal a copy of "Art of the Deal" in the Trump tower gift shop, I will be locked up and come back braindead? You are defending evil again.

Archetype wrote:There has been absolutely no hard evidence presented that he was deliberately tortured, either, and unless you've failed every history lesson taught by the Iraq war, you do not beat the war drums until there is concrete and irrefutable evidence supporting doing so.


Hey dumb-ass, the disputed evidence in the Iraq War was over WMDs. Not the FACT that Uday and Qusay had torture chambers. You are all over the place. But I give you credit for not using the word "chickenhawk" for a change. You may now go back to your "purse swinging contests" whatever the fuck that is (more proof you are not from around these parts).
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:00 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Actually, idiots like you were OUTRAGED when Reagan met with Gorbachev at Reykjavik to discuss disarmament. Reagan's legacy is detente with Russia. Now liberals want to send us back to the days of bomb shelters and hiding under desks.


When it comes to Trump on Putin he is in a "no win" situation with some. If he were hard lined with Putin or was to draw a"red line", they would accuse him of "war mongering". If he lakes a diplomatic approach they would say he is "kissing up" or "colluding".
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:06 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Yea ok. :roll: When Obama was in power, there were Tea Party rallies where peaceful Americas congregated and cleaned up after themselves. With Trump in power, liberals are waging outright civil war.


With the benefit of scumbags like George Soros to help arrange and bank roll it.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:01 am

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby JBlake » Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:08 am

I say Chuck C. Johnson better really watch out. He's #1 on the endangered species hit list. If he's not careful he'll end up with his head cut off and two rounds of 1911 through the torso. Of course it will be deemed a suicide by democrats.

Fact Finder wrote:Far-right blogger and provocateur Chuck C. Johnson said on Thursday that he helped arrange a highly unusual meeting between Orange County GOP Rep. Dana Rohrabacher and WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange this week.

Rohrabacher said in a statement that he plans to bring information to President Trump from the three-hour meeting, which took place Wednesday in London at the Ecuadorian Embassy, where Assange has been living in asylum since 2012.

He would not detail that information to The Times, but in an interview Thursday morning with the Daily Caller, Rohrabacher was more explicit, saying he and Assange talked about “what might be necessary to get him out” and suggested they discussed a presidential pardon in exchange for information on the theft of emails from the Democratic National Committee, which were published by WikiLeaks before the 2016 presidential election.

“He has information that will be of dramatic importance to the United States and the people of our country as well as to our government,” Rohrabacher told the Daily Caller. “Thus if he comes up with that, you know he’s going to expect something in return. He can’t even leave the embassy to get out to Washington to talk to anybody if he doesn’t have a pardon.”

Rohrabacher’s office said that during the meeting, Assange repeated his claims that the Russian government was not involved with the hacking of the DNC's computers.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby JBlake » Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:11 am

Damn, that's a whole lotta Rosie.


AR wrote:Here is a post for no reason whatsoever. But to my liberal friends please do not "fat shame" this lovely woman.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby JBlake » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:01 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:
JBlake wrote:Damn, that's a whole lotta Rosie.


AR wrote:Here is a post for no reason whatsoever. But to my liberal friends please do not "fat shame" this lovely woman.

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Can't be Rosie. No dick.


How can one be so sure about that? You never really can tell these days.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby slucero » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:02 am

for sure she'll get a Secret Service visit....

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby steveo777 » Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:48 pm

Has anyone read the ANTIFA manual? It has been leaked and is available here:

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-bloggers/3578291/posts

Advice - archive it asap!
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:57 pm

Fact Finder wrote:Before Monker creams his jeans..if he hasn't already? :wink:

Joshua Green‏Verified account @JoshuaGreen

Just got off the phone w/ Bannon: "If there’s any confusion out there, let me clear it up: I’m leaving the White House and going to war...for Trump against his opponents -- on Capitol Hill, in the media, and in corporate America.”


More people than Bannon left.

He was not the problem. It is Trump himself who is the problem. The hiring of a radical like BAnnon is just a symptom of the issues that Trump really has. General Kelly can't stop Trump from going on rampages like he did last weekend. He can fire Bannon and fire whoever else he believes is having alt-right influence over Trump but the TRUTH is Trump himself has these alt-right opinions. He says one thing, says another the next day, then goes back to the original on the third day. He has done this for YEARS.

There is no "presidential" side to Trump. There is only the whiny baby who pouts on Twitter. That is what was elected. That is how he acted during the campaign, and that is what was elected.

I expect more and more Republicans to start jumping ship and explicily critiquing Trump. IMO, if he doesn't resign or get impeached, he'll probably be defeated in the primaries. THAT is how weak he has become.

You all won't admit it, but it's the truth.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Sun Aug 20, 2017 2:47 pm

Fact Finder wrote:http://nypost.com/2017/08/19/it-staffers-may-have-compromised-sensitive-data-to-foreign-intelligence/


Keep up Monker..it's moving faster, that light at the end of your tunnel just might be a Freight Train that runs your ass over. :wink:


As far as I know, I have never commented on this story and it has nothing to do with what Mueller and the committees are doing.

You are spending too much time in alt-right alternate realities and not enough in seeing and believing what is really happening. You are the one who will eventually be hit by the reality freight train when Trump either resigns or is impeached. Every week of HIS stupidity brings it closer.

Here is another option for Trump, pardon Jr, Kushner, Ivanka, ..maybe others, but at least family. Resign. Then accept a pardon from Pence.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:27 am

Fact Finder wrote:These stories that you don't/can't/won't comment on are the stories that are being hidden from the public by the media and dems screaming Russia, Russia, Russia and Racists, Racists, Racists. It's a giant fake out but it won't work in the long run.


You are just wrong. How does the NSA intercepting Russia talks with Trump people relate to what you say above? THAT is where the Russia investigation started...not with Wasserman-Schultz problems. They are two totally different stories. I don't care if she ends up in jail...I'm not a Democrat.

Hey, there hasn't been a Russia story in over a week. Hmmmmm....

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As I have said, from the beginning, all of this is classified...you shouldn't EXPECT to hear anything unless there are leaks. If you want a play by play demand a public investigation. You are not hearing anything because Mueller's team doesn't leak, unlike the Trump White House. The last bit that was made public over the last couple days is Mueller is now focusing on Jr, and prior to that the news was that a separate team is looking at Trump's business connections to Russia. The investigation is happening...you just don't know the dirt.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby AR » Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:28 am

Monker wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:These stories that you don't/can't/won't comment on are the stories that are being hidden from the public by the media and dems screaming Russia, Russia, Russia and Racists, Racists, Racists. It's a giant fake out but it won't work in the long run.


You are just wrong. How does the NSA intercepting Russia talks with Trump people relate to what you say above? THAT is where the Russia investigation started...not with Wasserman-Schultz problems. They are two totally different stories. I don't care if she ends up in jail...I'm not a Democrat.

Hey, there hasn't been a Russia story in over a week. Hmmmmm....

:roll:


As I have said, from the beginning, all of this is classified...you shouldn't EXPECT to hear anything unless there are leaks. If you want a play by play demand a public investigation. You are not hearing anything because Mueller's team doesn't leak, unlike the Trump White House. The last bit that was made public over the last couple days is Mueller is now focusing on Jr, and prior to that the news was that a separate team is looking at Trump's business connections to Russia. The investigation is happening...you just don't know the dirt.


I doubt anything coming out of the Mueller investigation investigation on Trump. Others perhaps in both parties though maybe.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:56 am

Monker wrote:The hiring of a radical like BAnnon is just a symptom of the issues that Trump really has.


Can you quote any of Bannon's radical ideas? Bannon was the lone anti-war voice in the administration. He was also anti-NAFTA, pro-tax the rich, and pro-infrastructure. In other words, he was pretty much Bernie Sanders. Sounds about as "radical" as FDR. :roll:

Now Trump is surrounded by hawks. Democrats just lost an ally and the Trump admin just lost any semblance of a cohesive populist ideology. Devastating loss. It is not a coincidence that Bannon bailed right before Trump announced committing more troops to Afghanistan tonight.

Monker wrote:You are just wrong. How does the NSA intercepting Russia talks with Trump people relate to what you say above?


As much as you want it to be, talking with Russians is not illegal. And the NSA already indiscriminately spys on everyone in the US - capturing every keystroke and phone call. The next time you dial a 1-900 gay party line, keep that in mind.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:16 am

In case you missed it, this is the new version of tolerance and diversity:

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:04 am

Why are you spreading fake news and alt-right propaganda? This is a fake account...and it is pretty widely known it is a fake account.

Boomchild wrote:In case you missed it, this is the new version of tolerance and diversity:

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:12 am

Ooops, sorry Boomy.

http://nymag.com/selectall/2017/08/how- ... count.html

Add all of these and other factors up, and you should be left with a healthy dose of skepticism — unless you’re a child trapped in the body of an adult who slipped on a banana peel, and through a series of unfortunate coincidences, found yourself editing the Independent Journal-Review.
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