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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:17 am

Monker wrote:So, I didn't say "elected" office. Even so, the people still have a say via the approval process in congress.


Regular people don't pay attention to the hundred of judges appointed by the president to court of appeals, court of international trade etc.

Monker wrote:I see. So, you can go from YOUR statement of how the people elected Trump, which I *PROVE* is false, to this.


Electors vote for the candidate that wins the most votes in their respective states. There wasn't any sort of defection that put Trump in the White House. Voting booths weren't hacked. Trump voters weren't brainwashed by Wikileaks. He won the most states fair and square.

Monker wrote:I was explaining to an ignorant person (YOU) that the people do not elect the President.


In order to win the electoral college, you have to win the votes of the people in the states. As mentioned, these votes were not cast by Russian bots. Also, I wouldn't be calling people "ignorant" when you have openly said that you fell for an email claiming "Hillary had permission to use a private server." For that alone, you are the undisputed MR champion of slack-jawed ignoramuses. Do you fall for Nigerian prince emails too?

Monker wrote:Which is changing the subject from what I was having with Sluc. You are playing bullshit games.


Let Slucero speak for himself. The larger topic is the erasure of American history. I don't care if the city council voted for it.

Monker wrote:End of discussion.


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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:13 am

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Electors vote for the candidate that wins the most votes in their respective states. There wasn't any sort of defection that put Trump in the White House. Voting booths weren't hacked. Trump voters weren't brainwashed by Wikileaks. He won the most states fair and square.


I think this brings up the question: When in our history have the electors voted differently then the determined outcome of the general election?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:22 am

Boomchild wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Monker wrote:
Electors vote for the candidate that wins the most votes in their respective states. There wasn't any sort of defection that put Trump in the White House. Voting booths weren't hacked. Trump voters weren't brainwashed by Wikileaks. He won the most states fair and square.


I think this brings up the question: When in our history have the electors voted differently then the determined outcome of the general election?


Last election Faith Spotted Eagle got an electoral vote. when HW Bush ran against Dukakis, one electorate flipped the Democrat ticket and voted for Benson/Dukakis.

Those are the two I know about...not sure about others.

However, the very fact that Faith Spotted Eagle got a vote means that the electoral college does not represent the people in any way. That is just a simple FACT.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:24 am

Monker wrote:
I see. So, you can go from YOUR statement of how the people elected Trump, which I *PROVE* is false, to this.


Electors vote for the candidate that wins the most votes in their respective states. There wasn't any sort of defection that put Trump in the White House. Voting booths weren't hacked. Trump voters weren't brainwashed by Wikileaks. He won the most states fair and square.

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I was explaining to an ignorant person (YOU) that the people do not elect the President.


In order to win the electoral college, you have to win the votes of the people in the states. As mentioned, these votes were not cast by Russian bots.


Oh, please. Now you are trying to argue that the electoral college system equates to a representative REPUBLIC (happy Sluc?). It doesn't. You are still ignorant. And, you are wrong that the electoral college votes for how the people vote. They are not bound by the will of the people AT ALL...that is a myth.

If the President were elected by the PEOPLE, Hillary Clinton would have won the election by 3 million votes. THAT is a simple FACT that you can not argue your way out of. You said that if I believe in a representative Democracy/Republic, that I would accept Trump. You are WRONG...in fact, if YOU believed in a representative republic, you would see that Clinton represents the will of the people much more strongly than Trump, and Trump - who won with a minority support of the people, entered the office as a weak President who needed to gain more support to effectively govern.

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Which is changing the subject from what I was having with Sluc. You are playing bullshit games.


Let Slucero speak for himself. The larger topic is the erasure of American history. I don't care if the city council voted for it.

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End of discussion.


Run away little bitch, run away.


I am not speaking for Sluc. I am speaking for me.

I am not going to play games with somebody who enters a conversation and tries to twist it to be something completely out of context to what was being talked about.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:38 am

Monker wrote:
Last election Faith Spotted Eagle got an electoral vote. when HW Bush ran against Dukakis, one electorate flipped the Democrat ticket and voted for Benson/Dukakis.

Those are the two I know about...not sure about others.

However, the very fact that Faith Spotted Eagle got a vote means that the electoral college does not represent the people in any way. That is just a simple FACT.


I am talking about where the electors actually changed the end result. Meaning that they awarded the presidency to a candidate that WAS NOT the determined winner of the general election.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:20 am

Speaking of food for thought.....

Reject the #DeepState Lies of #NorthKorea, #CNN #Trump Fables and #Soros Funded #Antifa Terrorists

Did you see POTUS speak to the Texas Harvey victims? He was magnificent. Trump has proved efficient in his ability to speak with connectivity to his constituents and he can never stop that. Those saying he has to stay on task and message are simply trying to derail his message and what has been the key to his communicative efficacy. And as to the NoK prevarications, nothing’s changed. It’s about energy, coal and the Iron Silk Road inter alia.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:48 am

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:38 am

Monker wrote:Oh, please. Now you are trying to argue that the electoral college system equates to a representative REPUBLIC (happy Sluc?).


Not arguing anything. Simply stating facts. Historically, the electors represent the majority/popular vote of each state. If this wasn't the case, liberals like Martin Sheen, Moby etc. wouldn't have been desperately pleading for electors to go against the will of the people at their state capitols. You act as if the electoral college is an independent entity undoing the peoples' vote. Yet in 2016, the majority of electors cast their vote in accordance with their state’s popular vote (as has always been the case). In other words, you are just full of shit.

Monker wrote:It doesn't. You are still ignorant.


Just a reminder - you admitted to reading an email claiming "Hillary had permission to use a private server" and then posted that lie, without attribution, on here as FACT. That is all. Not further commentary required.

Monker wrote:And, you are wrong that the electoral college votes for how the people vote. They are not bound by the will of the people AT ALL...that is a myth.


Wrong again. Statues exist in over half the country binding electors to their states popular vote (under penalty of fine). Furthermore, to date, faithless electors have never changed the outcome of an election. EVER. The idea that electors somehow swung the election for Trump from Hillary has as much credence as voting booths hacked by Russian sleeper agents. You are seriously unhinged.

Monker wrote:If the President were elected by the PEOPLE, Hillary Clinton would have won the election by 3 million votes. THAT is a simple FACT that you can not argue your way out of.


I don't deal with parallel universes or alternate histories. In 2017 America, Trump is your president. Enjoy!

I am not going to play games with somebody who enters a conversation and tries to twist it to be something completely out of context to what was being talked about.


Let's cut the shit. You are not genuinely concerned with the actions of the Charlottesville city council. You are just hiding behind that to brainlessly cheerlead the liberal destruction of American history. That's the real issue here. You have shit-talked our President, Christopher Columbus, and openly buddied up to a North Korean puppet (Archetype). If Bill Ayers had the internet in the 70s, he would sound alot like you.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:49 am

Boomchild wrote:I am talking about where the electors actually changed the end result. Meaning that they awarded the presidency to a candidate that WAS NOT the determined winner of the general election.


It's never happened. We've had elections where neither candidate won an electoral majority and it went to the House. That's it. Monker is relying on fantasy scenarios again to rationalize Hillary's loss - just like his ramblings about the centrifuge stuxnet worm potentially changing 2016 voter outcomes. The guy is in really bad shape.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:12 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
It's never happened. We've had elections where neither candidate won an electoral majority and it went to the House. That's it.


That's exactly what I thought.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:21 am

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:09 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote: Monker is relying on fantasy scenarios again to rationalize Hillary's loss - just like his ramblings about the centrifuge stuxnet worm potentially changing 2016 voter outcomes. The guy is in really bad shape.


You fucking lying piece of shit. I have never made EITHER of those arguments. You are the fucking asshole who fantasizes about arguments with me that don't exist. You are the delusional sick mind who says I say things I never said - repeatedly.

YOU said that if I believed in a Representative democracy (republic) that I would accept Trump's win.

I said I do not deny Trump won.
I said that the electoral college is NOT bound by the people's vote.
I said the President is the only (elected) official that is not directly elected by the people

I said that if YOU believed in a representative democracy/republic you would admit Clinton better represents the will of the people because she won the popular vote by 3 million votes and you would admit that Trump entered office as a weak President that needed to gain more support in order to effectively govern.

But, instead of arguing the above, YOU turn it into bullshit about Clinton, which has NOTHING to do with what I said.

You are a liar. You invent and post about conversations that never happened. You simply are playing games now instead of conversing in good faith. You are a waste of time.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:48 pm

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:I'm all for equal rights. Browns don't seem to need security, so next time one of them needs help, the cleveland Cops should take a knee.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/cleveland- ... 46504.html


It's a form of freedom of speech. I may not like or agree with with it. You may not like or agree with it. But I don't think it warrants them not being offered help by law enforcement if they were in danger.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:38 am

Monker wrote:You fucking lying piece of shit. I have never made EITHER of those arguments.


The lying piece of shit is your reflection in the monitor screen. All you do is constantly blame Trump's win on Russia, the evil electoral college, or computer worms that potentially target votes. You sound crazy.

Monker wrote:You are the fucking asshole who fantasizes about arguments with me that don't exist. You are the delusional sick mind who says I say things I never said - repeatedly.


How can someone both be an "piece of shit" and an "asshole" at the same time? We are getting into chicken-or-the-egg territory here now.

Monker wrote:YOU said that if I believed in a Representative democracy (republic) that I would accept Trump's win.


Correct. You are defending the actions of the Charlottesville council which were NOT put up for a vote. At the same time, you are pretending that Trump electors were not representing votes cast by a majority in their states. What you are doing is cafeteria republicanism. You pick a little of this when it suits one argument, you disregard a little of that when it doesn't fit your pro-Hillary agenda. Everybody sees right through your dopey clown ass.

Monker wrote:I said that if YOU believed in a representative democracy/republic you would admit Clinton better represents the will of the people because she won the popular vote by 3 million votes and you would admit that Trump entered office as a weak President that needed to gain more support in order to effectively govern.


The popular vote is MOOT. It has as much relevancy to a presidential race as a White House soothsayer divining the winner by reading chicken entrails.

Monker wrote:You are a liar. You invent and post about conversations that never happened. You simply are playing games now instead of conversing in good faith. You are a waste of time.


Just a reminder - you admitted to reading an email claiming "Hillary had permission to use a private server" and then posted that lie, without attribution, on here as FACT. That is all. Not further commentary required.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:54 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:They don't like cops, then they don't use them. Simple.


Just because someone protests behavior by some law enforcement doesn't mean they don't like them as whole. It's just that they are using a poor way of showing their objections to it. Besides, the more people focus on what they are doing the more it works to their advantage. If they didn't get the attention from it they most likely wouldn't continue it. If people wanted to really send a message, they would boycott the NFL all together. Meaning not watching, going to ALL NFL games. But the public in general is to weak to do something of that magnitude. Their own entertainment is more important.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:58 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:Anyone sick of liberal stupidity yet? Ya, this will work out well.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/01/sa ... peace.html


Not a big deal. These are the very same people that want CA to secede from the U.S.. If they get their way, this won't be an issue we will have to concern ourselves with.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:56 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:All you do is constantly blame Trump's win on Russia, the evil electoral college, or computer worms that potentially target votes. You sound crazy.


YOU are the fucking nutcase. I explicitly said that I accepted Trump's win. I have NEVER made any of these argument that you are attributing to me. You are simply LYING.

Russia did not get Trump elected...but it has led to investigations that may (should, IMO) see Trump impeached.
YOU made the assertion that if I believed in a representative Democracy/Republic that I would accept Trump's win. I did accept Trump's win....but the electoral college is NOT an example of an representative Democracy/Republic...a FACT that you wish to ignore and argue against.

I absolutely KNOW that a Stuxnet type virus can target voting machines...but I have NEVER claimed that it happened last election.

your fucked up brain is making shit up and you are lying about almost EVERYTHING you argue here.

Monker wrote:YOU said that if I believed in a Representative democracy (republic) that I would accept Trump's win.


Correct. You are defending the actions of the Charlottesville council which were NOT put up for a vote.[/quote]

The City Council are elected officials and therefore represent the people. THAT IS A REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC/DEMOCRACY. Do you not understand that? It is not my business, yours, David Dukes, nor Trump's how the city council of Charlottesville treats THEIR statues. It is CHARLOTTESVILLE's. If THEY want the statue of General Lee...then THEY can vote out the city council

THAT is how democracy works...something which you seem to not understand nor believe in any longer. A city or state disagrees with Trump, they should be FORCED to agree with the federal government. That is what YOU seem to want.

At the same time, you are pretending that Trump electors were not representing votes cast by a majority in their states.


The electors have NOTHING TO DO WITH THE VOTERS. They are appointed by their party, not by "voters". The electors DO NOT have to bend to the will of the people. Five of them did not last election. Last election there was a campaign for them not to. ALL OF THIS goes towards my argument that the electoral college undermines the thought of the presidential election being an example of a representative democracy. It has nothing to do with Donald Jackass Trump.

What you are doing is cafeteria republicanism. You pick a little of this when it suits one argument, you disregard a little of that when it doesn't fit your pro-Hillary agenda. Everybody sees right through your dopey clown ass.


And, you just act like a little Trump zombie making shit up as you, using his influence. I do not have a pro-Hillary agenda. Nothing I have said has ANYTHING to do with Hillary. This is paranoid dillusion on your part.

The popular vote is MOOT.


EXACTLY. So, we do not elect a President via a representative Democracy/Republic.

Just a reminder - you admitted to reading an email claiming "Hillary had permission to use a private server" and then posted that lie, without attribution, on here as FACT. That is all. Not further commentary required.


Which I admitted and moved on with my life.

What you do is make shit up and lie in almost every post you make. You lie about me having a Hillary agenda. You lie about me thinking Russia got Trump elected. You lie about me believing voting machines hacks tipped the vote to Trump. You lie CONSTANTLY.

IMO, you KNOW Trump is in the shit. You KNOW that when these investigations conclude that the Trump administration is going to go through HELL. You KNOW that if people start turning (Flynn/Mannafort/etc) that Trump is probably going to jail, unless pardoned by Pence. You KNOW that the Trump presidency has been the largest heaping pile of bullshit ever thrown on the American people....and you want to BLAME somebody, anybody, but Trump himself.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:22 am

Monker wrote:YOU are the fucking nutcase. I explicitly said that I accepted Trump's win. I have NEVER made any of these argument that you are attributing to me. You are simply LYING.


By your own admission, you lied about Hillary "having permission to use a private server." That is one of countless lies you have been caught in. Once you have been caught shoveling shit for a candidate, you have no credibility on anything. Blame yourself.

Monker wrote:Russia did not get Trump elected...but it has led to investigations that may (should, IMO) see Trump impeached.


So Russia - a mostly landlocked country - led to investigations? That makes no sense at all. The reason you have to generalize in idiotic childish terms like this is because the alleged 'smoking gun' details of the investigation - like the 17 intel agencies consensus - has completely crumbled. So you're left with nothing.

Monker wrote: I did accept Trump's win....but the electoral college is NOT an example of an representative Democracy/Republic...a FACT that you wish to ignore and argue against.


Sure it is. The very philosophy of republicanism is representation. The electors vote for who wins the popular votes in their states. Very simple.

Monker wrote:I absolutely KNOW that a Stuxnet type virus can target voting machines...but I have NEVER claimed that it happened last election.


Again, you are an admitted liar. No credibility. Sorry. You were on here saying "Trump only wins when Putin is on his side cheating for him" and "voting booths can be hacked into without them being connected to the internet". What's the implication here? The quotes speaks for themselves.

Monker wrote:The City Council are elected officials and therefore represent the people. THAT IS A REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC/DEMOCRACY. Do you not understand that?


Then it should have been put up for a vote.

Monker wrote: It is not my business, yours, David Dukes, nor Trump's how the city council of Charlottesville treats THEIR statues. It is CHARLOTTESVILLE's. If THEY want the statue of General Lee...then THEY can vote out the city council.


The removal of historic statues is not limited to Charlottesville. Charlottesville is symptomatic of a larger disease spreading across the country.

Monker wrote:THAT is how democracy works...something which you seem to not understand nor believe in any longer.


Ben Franklin didn't believe it coming out of the convention either. He said "a republic if you can keep it." Go take a civics course, dumb fuck.

Monker wrote:The electors have NOTHING TO DO WITH THE VOTERS.


Again, they represent the popular vote in their states.

Monker wrote: The electors DO NOT have to bend to the will of the people. Five of them did not last election. Last election there was a campaign for them not to.


Wow. A whole five electors out of 530 or so? And did this change voting outcomes in their states or not? We both know the answer.

Monker wrote:ALL OF THIS goes towards my argument that the electoral college undermines the thought of the presidential election being an example of a representative democracy. It has nothing to do with Donald Jackass Trump.


And so if the electors in 2016 voted according to their state's popular vote what exactly was undermined?

Monker wrote:And, you just act like a little Trump zombie making shit up as you, using his influence. I do not have a pro-Hillary agenda. Nothing I have said has ANYTHING to do with Hillary. This is paranoid dillusion on your part.


Nobody believes this. Fellow posters in this thread will tell you I have supported liberal candidates in the past. Nobody on here can vouch for your political objectivity because you have none. By your own admission, you read a pro-Hillary email and then posted its contents here without question. If that's not the hallmark of a brainless zombie, I don't know what is.

Monker wrote:You lie about me having a Hillary agenda.


Why else would you post that "Hillary had permission to use a private server"?

Monker wrote: You lie about me thinking Russia got Trump elected.


Why else would you post "Trump only wins when Putin is on his side cheating for him"?

Monker wrote: IMO, you KNOW Trump is in the shit. You KNOW that when these investigations conclude that the Trump administration is going to go through HELL.


Couldn't care less. When it comes to these "damning" investigations, you can't even begin to explain the crime that allegedly took place.

Monker wrote:You KNOW that if people start turning (Flynn/Mannafort/etc) that Trump is probably going to jail, unless pardoned by Pence.


Imprisonment for a crime that you can't cite or even begin to articulate? Too funny.

Monker wrote:You KNOW that the Trump presidency has been the largest heaping pile of bullshit ever thrown on the American people....and you want to BLAME somebody, anybody, but Trump himself.


Unlike yourself, I am not beholden to any party or ideology. Afghanistan troop increase is a bad call, but otherwise I think Trump is great. America is back baby! 8)
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:33 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:By your own admission, you lied about Hillary "having permission to use a private server." That is one of countless lies you have been caught in. Once you have been caught shoveling shit for a candidate, you have no credibility on anything. Blame yourself.


And, there you go lying some more. What I "admitted" is I read a string of Emails regarding the hardware setup for Clinton. It in, it was mentioned that HIllary wanted a private Email server...and it was approved. But, when one of you all call me on it and wanted to see the Emails, I could not find them so I admitted that and let it go.

Monker wrote:Russia did not get Trump elected...but it has led to investigations that may (should, IMO) see Trump impeached.


So Russia - a mostly landlocked country - led to investigations? That makes no sense at all.


That is because half your brain doesn't work because you are a Trump zombie.

The Russia investigation by the FBI led to the congressional investigation and now the special counsel investigation into Trump in general.

The reason you have to generalize in idiotic childish terms like this is because the alleged 'smoking gun' details of the investigation - like the 17 intel agencies consensus - has completely crumbled. So you're left with nothing.


That's because you pay too much attention to the drama in the news and do not realize that things like the 17 agencies blah, blah, blah are not going move Mueller one way or another because it is political BS. But, since all of this is classified - you don't know what evidence has been gathered and who is being offered deals. Not even Trump's lawyers know these things yet. You are looking at it from the POV of Sean Hannity, not a federal prosecutor. Sean Hannity is entertainment and games, Mueller is not joking nor is he playing games.

Sure it is. The very philosophy of republicanism is representation. The electors vote for who wins the popular votes in their states. Very simple.


That is complete BULLSHIT. The people do not vote for the electors to represent them. THE PARTY PICKS THEM. Therefore, by the very definition of a REPRESENTATIVE Republic, the electoral college IS NOT. Also the FACT that FIVE electors voted against their states vote, PROVES they do not represent ANYBODY. What you are arguing is simply ignorant and not true.

Monker wrote:I absolutely KNOW that a Stuxnet type virus can target voting machines...but I have NEVER claimed that it happened last election.


Again, you are an admitted liar. No credibility. Sorry. You were on here saying "Trump only wins when Putin is on his side cheating for him" and "voting booths can be hacked into without them being connected to the internet". What's the implication here? The quotes speaks for themselves.


The implication is you are linking a generalized statement to an unrelated POSSIBILITY. And, you are inventing EXCUSES for your absolute LIE that I said voting booths were hacked to allow a Trump win.

Monker wrote:The City Council are elected officials and therefore represent the people. THAT IS A REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC/DEMOCRACY. Do you not understand that?


Then it should have been put up for a vote.


That is like saying every act congress makes should be put up for the people to vote. The City Councel, and congress, are elected officials to REPRESENT the people.

Monker wrote: It is not my business, yours, David Dukes, nor Trump's how the city council of Charlottesville treats THEIR statues. It is CHARLOTTESVILLE's. If THEY want the statue of General Lee...then THEY can vote out the city council.


The removal of historic statues is not limited to Charlottesville. Charlottesville is symptomatic of a larger disease spreading across the country.


Irrelevant - that is a completely different topic.

Monker wrote:THAT is how democracy works...something which you seem to not understand nor believe in any longer.


Ben Franklin didn't believe it coming out of the convention either. He said "a republic if you can keep it." Go take a civics course, dumb fuck.


Bullshit...what you just quoted was his skepticism of the people being able to keep it. YOU do not seem to believe in the very concept any longer. You seem to believe in Authoritarian federal government doing whatever it wants.

Monker wrote:The electors have NOTHING TO DO WITH THE VOTERS.


Again, they represent the popular vote in their states.


And, that is just not true. The are representatives of the PARTY of their state...NOT the voters. You are completely ignorant.

Monker wrote: The electors DO NOT have to bend to the will of the people. Five of them did not last election. Last election there was a campaign for them not to.


Wow. A whole five electors out of 530 or so? And did this change voting outcomes in their states or not? We both know the answer.


It doesn't need to change the election to PROVE that they electors do NOT represent the people. The very fact that they have the ability to vote how they want PROVES they do not represent the people.

Monker wrote:ALL OF THIS goes towards my argument that the electoral college undermines the thought of the presidential election being an example of a representative democracy. It has nothing to do with Donald Jackass Trump.


And so if the electors in 2016 voted according to their state's popular vote what exactly was undermined?


YOU are the one looking for something being "undermined" or "changed" or some scandal. All I am saying is they do NOT represent the people...they don't.

Nobody believes this. Fellow posters in this thread will tell you I have supported liberal candidates in the past.[/quoet]

So what. Now you come on this thread and make shit up and lie in almost every post you make.

Nobody on here can vouch for your political objectivity because you have none.


I have stated in the past where I stand. Do I care if anybody 'vouches for me? Not really...that just encourages clique'ish bullshit that I would rather be on the outside of anyway.

Monker wrote:You lie about me having a Hillary agenda.


Why else would you post that "Hillary had permission to use a private server"?


Because I read it in a string of Emails.

Monker wrote: You lie about me thinking Russia got Trump elected.


Why else would you post "Trump only wins when Putin is on his side cheating for him"?


Actually, I thought it was kinda funny :D And, if I remember the context, it was in the midst of a bunch of pro-Trump "winning" this and that bullshit.

Monker wrote: IMO, you KNOW Trump is in the shit. You KNOW that when these investigations conclude that the Trump administration is going to go through HELL.


Couldn't care less. When it comes to these "damning" investigations, you can't even begin to explain the crime that allegedly took place.


There does not need to be a crime to be impeached...and you know that, too. And, that is where the entire "collusion" argument comes into the picture. The memo essentially ADMITS collusion with Russia. Then there are several obstruction of justice cases, such as firing Comey.

Monker wrote:You KNOW that if people start turning (Flynn/Mannafort/etc) that Trump is probably going to jail, unless pardoned by Pence.


Imprisonment for a crime that you can't cite or even begin to articulate? Too funny.


Manafort was in the meeting with Junior which was all about collusion with Russia. Manafort himself may be in trouble for money laundering...and who knows where that can lead with Trump. I doubt anybody knows the full story Flynn wants to tell...but probably along those same lines.

Monker wrote:You KNOW that the Trump presidency has been the largest heaping pile of bullshit ever thrown on the American people....and you want to BLAME somebody, anybody, but Trump himself.


Unlike yourself, I am not beholden to any party or ideology. Afghanistan troop increase is a bad call, but otherwise I think Trump is great. America is back baby! 8)


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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:55 am

Monker wrote:And, there you go lying some more. What I "admitted" is I read a string of Emails regarding the hardware setup for Clinton. It in, it was mentioned that Hillary wanted a private Email server...and it was approved.

Let’s put this in grade school terms – a person who repeats obvious and provable falsehoods is a what?
Monker wrote:That is because half your brain doesn't work because you are a Trump zombie.
The Russia investigation by the FBI led to the congressional investigation and now the special counsel investigation into Trump in general.

Again, no details. Just “something something Russia something something.”
Monker wrote:That's because you pay too much attention to the drama in the news and do not realize that things like the 17 agencies blah, blah, blah are not going move Mueller one way or another because it is political BS.

The 17 intel consensus was the basis for the Russia hacking allegation. It is not political BS at all. Without it, there is no basis for an investigation.
Monker wrote:But, since all of this is classified - you don't know what evidence has been gathered and who is being offered deals. Not even Trump's lawyers know these things yet.

In your previous post you said Trump was headed to prison. Now you are saying the facts are unknown. Claiming everything is classified is just a cheap way of not having to debate existing facts.
Monker wrote:You are looking at it from the POV of Sean Hannity, not a federal prosecutor. Sean Hannity is entertainment and games..

I didn’t need Hannity (or any talking head) to tell me that the 17 intel agencies talking point was BS. The Coast Guard and the DEA are not involved in cyber foreign intelligence gathering. I heard that same lie spoken by Colin Powell in the lead up to Iraq War – it was an obvious lie then. This lie is trotted out every time the country is trying to manufacture consent for war. Idiots, like you, fall for it.
Monker wrote:Mueller is not joking nor is he playing games.

Could your groveling man-crush on Mueller be any more sickening? I don’t remember Special Counsel, Fitzgerald, being fetishized in this way by Democrats during the Bush years. At various points, I have heard that Preet Bhara, Sally Yates, and James Comey were all going to serve the death knell to Trump. Hasn’t happened. Doubt Mueller will either.

Monker wrote:That is complete BULLSHIT. The people do not vote for the electors to represent them. THE PARTY PICKS THEM. Therefore, by the very definition of a REPRESENTATIVE Republic, the electoral college IS NOT. Also the FACT that FIVE electors voted against their states vote, PROVES they do not represent ANYBODY. What you are arguing is simply ignorant and not true.

If the electors did not represent the popular votes in their states, you would be able to point to a time when they overturned the election results. You can’t. In over 240 years it has never happened.
Monker wrote:Bullshit...what you just quoted was his skepticism of the people being able to keep it.

Skepticism of keeping a republic, not direct democracy where NY and California would tilt the results.
Monker wrote:YOU do not seem to believe in the very concept any longer. You seem to believe in Authoritarian federal government doing whatever it wants.

You’re the guy wanting political opponents thrown in jail without any evidence of a crime. Talk about authoritarianism.
Monker wrote:It doesn't need to change the election to PROVE that they electors do NOT represent the people. The very fact that they have the ability to vote how they want PROVES they do not represent the people.

As already mentioned, in over half the states, the electors are bound to vote for the popular vote winner. Cite an example where the electors changed the outcome of the election. You can’t. The system works. You just don’t agree with the result.

Monker wrote:Manafort was in the meeting with Junior which was all about collusion with Russia. Manafort himself may be in trouble for money laundering...and who knows where that can lead with Trump. I doubt anybody knows the full story Flynn wants to tell...but probably along those same lines.


This is very very weak innuendo. If the special counsel wasn't just a fishing expedition, the goal posts wouldn't keep moving (hacking - obstruction of justice - money laundering).

Monker wrote:Because I read it in a string of Emails.

So you read a lie in an email, fell for it, and posted it here. What does that say about you? A gullible email-reading moron repeating a lie is still a liar.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:26 am

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Monker wrote:Because I read it in a string of Emails.

So you read a lie in an email, fell for it, and posted it here. What does that say about you? A gullible email-reading moron repeating a lie is still a liar.


I think many would be interested in seeing said email. After all, someone that comments about others on this forum not doing their "research" or "fact checking" before repeating or posting something here would not be guilty of doing the very same thing.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:39 am

Found this story interesting.

NRA Condemns U.S. Virgin Island Firearm Confiscation Plan

FAIRFAX, Va. – The National Rifle Association on Tuesday announced its strong opposition to the order signed by U.S. Virgin Islands Governor Kenneth Mapp allowing the government to seize personal firearms and ammunition ahead of Hurricane Irma. The NRA is prepared to engage the legal system to halt the unconstitutional order.

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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:49 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Let’s put this in grade school terms – a person who repeats obvious and provable falsehoods is a what?


That person is someone who believes the electoral college is an example of a representative democracy.
That person is someone who believes the city council does not represent the people who ELECTED them.
That person is someone who takes conversations about the above and write out of context ad-hominem attacks and lies because like the Trump zombie he is refuses to admit he is wrong, as he fuhrer would do.

Monker wrote:That is because half your brain doesn't work because you are a Trump zombie.
The Russia investigation by the FBI led to the congressional investigation and now the special counsel investigation into Trump in general.

Again, no details. Just “something something Russia something something.”


And, again, you take a quote out of context so you can make shit up and LIE, as you do in EVERY POST YOU MAKE.
You said my words did not make sense so I explained them to you. There was NO mention of requesting "details" or any such thing. Your zombie brain is inventing conversation that actually happened later in your reply and causing you to make shit up and lie.

Monker wrote:That's because you pay too much attention to the drama in the news and do not realize that things like the 17 agencies blah, blah, blah are not going move Mueller one way or another because it is political BS.

The 17 intel consensus was the basis for the Russia hacking allegation. It is not political BS at all. Without it, there is no basis for an investigation.


Well, there you go lying again.

The Russia investigation had begun in mid-2016 due to the NSA telling the FBI that it had intercepted Trump people talking to Russians. The intel consensus came out MUCH later.

Monker wrote:But, since all of this is classified - you don't know what evidence has been gathered and who is being offered deals. Not even Trump's lawyers know these things yet.

In your previous post you said Trump was headed to prison.


Well, that is another lie. I sad IF people turn he PROBABLY will go to jail, unless he is pardoned. That is not even close to what you said above. Here is the quote, "You KNOW that if people start turning (Flynn/Mannafort/etc) that Trump is probably going to jail, unless pardoned by Pence."

Can you make ANY point WITHOUT lying about SOMETHING?

Monker wrote:You are looking at it from the POV of Sean Hannity, not a federal prosecutor. Sean Hannity is entertainment and games..


I didn’t need Hannity


I didn't say you did....I said you are looking at the Russia investigations from his POV...IE: everything is a scandal, Trump is roses, and fake media this and that...all done to prick at your emotions and gain ratings, and invent stuff to play games.

(or any talking head) to tell me that the 17 intel agencies talking point was BS. The Coast Guard and the DEA are not involved in cyber foreign intelligence gathering. I heard that same lie spoken by Colin Powell in the lead up to Iraq War – it was an obvious lie then. This lie is trotted out every time the country is trying to manufacture consent for war. Idiots, like you, fall for it.


Except there isn't anybody looking for consent for war...that is that your conspiracy theory. But, besides that, my point is you are so focused in on irrelevant points like these you fail to see the big picture of what Mueller is looking at. Your zombie brain has bought into Trump's "it's all made up by the fake media..."

I have heard that Preet Bhara, Sally Yates, and James Comey were all going to serve the death knell to Trump. Hasn’t happened. Doubt Mueller will either.


Interesting how you compare witness testimony to a federal prosecutor.

If the electors did not represent the popular votes in their states, you would be able to point to a time when they overturned the election results. You can’t. In over 240 years it has never happened.


I find it incredible that you are this ignorant on how our elections work. The electors DO NOT REPRESENT THE VOTERS. They represent their party. Period. That is the way it is.

You’re the guy wanting political opponents thrown in jail without any evidence of a crime.


And, you are the guy who makes shit up and lies repeatedly IN ONE POST. See above, I never said this.

Monker wrote:It doesn't need to change the election to PROVE that they electors do NOT represent the people. The very fact that they have the ability to vote how they want PROVES they do not represent the people.

As already mentioned, in over half the states, the electors are bound to vote for the popular vote winner.


And, as I have mentioned, it is the federal constitution which established the electoral college and there is no mention of this. Therefore, the state laws could, and should, be challenged in court.

Cite an example where the electors changed the outcome of the election. You can’t. The system works. You just don’t agree with the result.


LOL...there you go, making shit up again.
I have NEVER said Trump did not win the election, or the result was "wrong" somehow.
What I have said is he entered the Presidency with a minority of the popular vote and was therefore a weak President. He needed to gain support to be able to effectively govern. THAT is where I stood in January.

Also, I have NEVER believed in the electoral college from the time I learned what it was and how the election truly works...decades ago, even before W. It has NOTHING to do with this election, but YOU not accepting the FACTS of what it is and how it works.

This is very very weak innuendo. If the special counsel wasn't just a fishing expedition, the goal posts wouldn't keep moving (hacking - obstruction of justice - money laundering).


That is what a special prosecutor does...he looks for crimes and impeachable acts. That is how you go from Whitewater to lying about a blow job.

Monker wrote:Because I read it in a string of Emails.

So you read a lie in an email, fell for it, and posted it here. What does that say about you? A gullible email-reading moron repeating a lie is still a liar.
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Even if your exaggerated bullshit were true. I would rather have that happen, admit it, and move on....Then write a note like this one, and some of your others, that are riddled with lies that you will ignore and not acknowledge. That says a lot about your lack of character and inability to have an "honest" conversation but instead jump off the rails with made up bullshit.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Seven Wishes » Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:07 am

Fox called out Gore? What's next, a negative story on McConnell on MSNBC?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:12 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:Calling out Gore.

http://insider.foxnews.com/amp/article/57782


Roy Spencer is a complete hack:
https://www.skepticalscience.com/skepti ... pencer.htm

He is NOT a climate expert but a trained meteorologist who gives himself the title "climatologist".

The very first claim says it all...that Greenland ice-sheet is not retreating because (he says) it is measured in the summer when it is melting. This is a completely misleading premise. Yes, ice melts in the summer...but it melting MORE in the summer and is recovering LESS in the winter:

http://time.com/4447252/greenland-ice-climate-change/

How blind is this guy?
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:45 am

Boomchild wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Monker wrote:Because I read it in a string of Emails.

So you read a lie in an email, fell for it, and posted it here. What does that say about you? A gullible email-reading moron repeating a lie is still a liar.


I think many would be interested in seeing said email. After all, someone that comments about others on this forum not doing their "research" or "fact checking" before repeating or posting something here would not be guilty of doing the very same thing.


It never existed. It is just another lie.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:53 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:And the village liberals resort once again to "Global Warming". The subject is "Man Made Global Warming". Not much one can do about nature and the Earth wobbling. North side melts, south side grows.

http://www.globalclimatescam.com/


Well, since you seem to have lost your link to whatever article you wanted to show, according to TNC's history on the subject of missing links, you must be lying. The link you give does not have any info on wobbling poles.

And, BTW, "Not much one can do about nature and the Earth wobbling. North side melts, south side grows." is an ignorant thing to say. The Earth's rotation depends on the distribution of the mass of the Earth. When land locked ice melts, it redistributes the mass of the Earth from the polar region to be spread throughout the ocean. Since we (man, from man-made global warming) are causing the land-locked ice to melt in the arctic, we are causing a massive redistribution of the mass of the Earth...and causing the poles to shift in an unpredicted way:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/nas ... te-change/

I have said for years that their is no predictable pattern for the current climate change. IE: sunspots, the change of distance to the sun via Earth's orbit, etc. If there were, science would have figured that out years ago, including the natural wobbles of rotation caused by the changing seasons. You are very naive for believing such obvious crap.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Monker » Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:10 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Boomchild wrote:
I think many would be interested in seeing said email. After all, someone that comments about others on this forum not doing their "research" or "fact checking" before repeating or posting something here would not be guilty of doing the very same thing.


It never existed. It is just another lie.


Well, you are wrong about it not existing, it did. That does not mean I was lying....as much as you want it to.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:56 am

Monker wrote:
Well, you are wrong about it not existing, it did. That does not mean I was lying....as much as you want it to.


The trouble is it appears you have nothing to support this statement. If it was something so important for you to "repeat" here, then it's hard to believe it no longer exists.
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Re: President Donald J. Trump - Term 1 Thread

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:01 pm

Monker wrote:That person is someone who believes the electoral college is an example of a representative democracy.


So did the Founders. I'll side with their wisdom over your lying ass any day. You still can't point to an example when an election result was overturned.

Monker wrote:That person is someone who believes the city council does not represent the people who ELECTED them.


African Americans cited in the council’s committee report were against removing the statue. Polls also do not show majority support for it. Local decisions have national
ramifications and are allowed to be discussed here. So what's the problem? As Trump predicted, the wave of historical vandalism has extended far far beyond Charlottesville. Nobody denies that the council was elected.

Monker wrote:That person is someone who takes conversations about the above and write out of context ad-hominem attacks and lies because like the Trump zombie he is refuses to admit he is wrong, as he fuhrer would do.


Ah, “the fuhrer”…of course, here comes the Hitler references. When it comes to offending African American sensibilities, all statues must be removed. But making light of 6 million Jewish deaths to score cheap political points is just fine apparently. :roll:

Monker wrote:And, again, you take a quote out of context so you can make shit up and LIE, as you do in EVERY POST YOU MAKE.
You said my words did not make sense so I explained them to you. There was NO mention of requesting "details" or any such thing. Your zombie brain is inventing conversation that actually happened later in your reply and causing you to make shit up and lie.


You explained nothing, you said “Russia did not get Trump elected...but it has led to investigations that may (should, IMO) see Trump impeached.”
Well, countries cannot lead to investigations. You are at the point now where you are attributing evil human characteristic to land masses. Time to turn off the Transformer movies, dude.

Monker wrote:Well, there you go lying again.
The Russia investigation had begun in mid-2016 due to the NSA telling the FBI that it had intercepted Trump people talking to Russians. The intel consensus came out MUCH later.


Must be another one of those classified top-secret investigations you're so fond of, because I have no idea what you are referring to. The earliest announced investigation was by the FBI into the DNC hacks during the summer of 2016. To date, there is no credible evidence that Russia was even behind it. The NSA picking up calls is not the same as an investigation.

Monker wrote:Well, that is another lie. I sad IF people turn he PROBABLY will go to jail, unless he is pardoned. That is not even close to what you said above. Here is the quote, "You KNOW that if people start turning (Flynn/Mannafort/etc) that Trump is probably going to jail, unless pardoned by Pence." Can you make ANY point WITHOUT lying about SOMETHING?


You left out the preceding sentence: “IMO, you KNOW Trump is in the shit. You KNOW that when these investigations conclude that the Trump administration is going to go through HELL.”

In other words, you think he’s doomed. Be it prison or the third circle of hell. Bottom line is, you’re about as objective as the jurors in the O.J. case.
You openly want your political opponents jailed, evidence be damned.

Monker wrote: Except there isn't anybody looking for consent for war...that is that your conspiracy theory.


Well, the pro-war propaganda clearly worked on you...

Here’s a quote from you using the 17 intel consensus lie: “This has nothing to do with Democrats but the entirety of our intelligence community saying that it happened. If you want to argue against it, you are arguing against the: FBI, CIA, NSA, Homeland Security...and on and on.”

Now it turns out that the “entirety of our intelligence community” was actual just a handful of selected intel analysts. Just like Iraq (and most wars), the facts were being fit around the policy. And you fell for it. Sucker.

Unfortunately, it sounds like you have paid very little attention to Russia-American relations up until this past election. US regime change towards Russia has been obvious for some time (placing anti-missile installations and NATO troops right on Russia’s borders, for example).

Monker wrote: But, besides that, my point is you are so focused in on irrelevant points like these you fail to see the big picture of what Mueller is looking at. Your zombie brain has bought into Trump's "it's all made up by the fake media..."


The 17 intel consensus was not “an irrelevant point.” It was the springboard for the entire Russia inquiry.

Monker wrote: Interesting how you compare witness testimony to a federal prosecutor.


Not the point. Mueller is just the latest in a string of fake Galahads that liberals hope will save them. Whatever Mueller announces, only the die-hard left and the media will care. Mueller will probably be fired anyway.

Monker wrote: That is what a special prosecutor does...he looks for crimes and impeachable acts. That is how you go from Whitewater to lying about a blow job.


That was bullshit too. Your desire to see Trump removed has overrun your judgement.
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