They're Eating The Dogs Presidential Thread

[Monker]

And the village liberals resort once again to "Global Warming". The subject is "Man Made Global Warming". Not much one can do about nature and the Earth wobbling. North side melts, south side grows.

http://www.globalclimatescam.com/

Well, since you seem to have lost your link to whatever article you wanted to show, according to TNC's history on the subject of missing links, you must be lying. The link you give does not have any info on wobbling poles.

And, BTW, "Not much one can do about nature and the Earth wobbling. North side melts, south side grows." is an ignorant thing to say. The Earth's rotation depends on the distribution of the mass of the Earth. When land locked ice melts, it redistributes the mass of the Earth from the polar region to be spread throughout the ocean. Since we (man, from man-made global warming) are causing the land-locked ice to melt in the arctic, we are causing a massive redistribution of the mass of the Earth...and causing the poles to shift in an unpredicted way:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/nas ... te-change/

I have said for years that their is no predictable pattern for the current climate change. IE: sunspots, the change of distance to the sun via Earth's orbit, etc. If there were, science would have figured that out years ago, including the natural wobbles of rotation caused by the changing seasons. You are very naive for believing such obvious crap.

Just clicked on it, works fine, STOP LYING. It was an attempt to change the subject from you and TNC's pissing contest. I figured you'd like to dry off. That's what I get for trying to help you.

I did not say the link did not work. I said you lost the what link to the article. I go to your link and it is a climate change skeptic site with a dozen articles, and I do not know which article you are specifically talking about.

[Boomchild]

Ah yes, Obamacare at it's best. Make sure to contact your representatives to urge them to save it. How does a yearly premium payment of over 11,000.00 grab you?

[Monker]

I judge it as bullshit. If you look up the plan number, this is actually an HSA plan and should be on the lower cost per month...that is why the deductible is so high. So, it is either bullshit or this is from somebody who makes over the maximum to get any type of benefit from Obamacare.

And,BTW, there is nothing on this paper to prove it came from an Obamacare plan.

Ah yes, Obamacare at it's best. Make sure to contact your representatives to urge them to save it. How does a yearly premium payment of over 11,000.00 grab you?

[Monker]

That person is someone who believes the electoral college is an example of a representative democracy.

So did the Founders. I'll side with their wisdom over your lying ass any day. You still can't point to an example when an election result was overturned.

This is simply not true. You gave one quote which was in reference to the creation of the nation as a whole, not specifically to the electoral college. The electoral college was created primarily for two reasons....to give small states a more equal voice in the presidential election. And, because some founders wanted a safe guard from the mass stupidity that their experience has shown is possible. In other words - they wanted the electors to be independent to AVOID a situation like we have right now with Donald Duck Trump. Just because they have never over turned the public vote does NOT mean they are not there to do exactly that.

"It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations.

It was also peculiarly desirable to afford as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder. This evil was not least to be dreaded in the election of a magistrate, who was to have so important an agency in the administration of the government as the President of the United States. But the precautions which have been so happily concerted in the system under consideration, promise an effectual security against this mischief. The choice of SEVERAL, to form an intermediate body of electors, will be much less apt to convulse the community with any extraordinary or violent movements, than the choice of ONE who was himself to be the final object of the public wishes. And as the electors, chosen in each State, are to assemble and vote in the State in which they are chosen, this detached and divided situation will expose them much less to heats and ferments, which might be communicated from them to the people, than if they were all to be convened at one time, in one place. " Alexander Hamilton - the Federalist Paper, #68.

The bottom line is as I stated. The electoral college was DESIGNED to move the election out of the people's hands and into the electors hands. The founders did this BECAUSE THEY DID NOT TRUST THE MASSES to always elect a President without "mischief", as he says. The electoral college was designed to AVOID a Donald Duck Trump, not elect him via a hysterical public.

That person is someone who believes the city council does not represent the people who ELECTED them.

African Americans cited in the council’s committee report were against removing the statue. Polls also do not show majority support for it.

Well, good for them. Tell them to vote in the next election for City Council. You are so afraid of Democracy.

Local decisions have national ramifications and are allowed to be discussed here.

I didn't say you couldn't discuss them here. What I am saying is it is Charlottesville's problem to solve...not yours. You do not have a vote and your voice in the matter really means nothing.

h, “the fuhrer”…of course, here comes the Hitler references.

They have always been there.

When it comes to offending African American sensibilities, all statues must be removed.

So what? It's just a statue. And, if the people don't want it there, it should be removed.

But making light of 6 million Jewish deaths to score cheap political points is just fine apparently.

Yeah, sure. A man who believes "fine people" march with Nazi's is going to earn sympathy from the Jews.

You explained nothing, you said “Russia did not get Trump elected...but it has led to investigations that may (should, IMO) see Trump impeached.”
Well, countries cannot lead to investigations. You are at the point now where you are attributing evil human characteristic to land masses. Time to turn off the Transformer movies, dude.

"Russia" as in the entire controversy with Russia...Whatever, change it to "The Russia controversy..." then. Whatever.

Well, there you go lying again.
The Russia investigation had begun in mid-2016 due to the NSA telling the FBI that it had intercepted Trump people talking to Russians. The intel consensus came out MUCH later.

Must be another one of those classified top-secret investigations you're so fond of, because I have no idea what you are referring to. The earliest announced investigation was by the FBI into the DNC hacks during the summer of 2016.

Comey testified that the FBI started investigating Trump/Russia/election in July of 2016. IMO, July is definitely the "middle of 2016".

Well, that is another lie. I sad IF people turn he PROBABLY will go to jail, unless he is pardoned. That is not even close to what you said above. Here is the quote, "You KNOW that if people start turning (Flynn/Mannafort/etc) that Trump is probably going to jail, unless pardoned by Pence." Can you make ANY point WITHOUT lying about SOMETHING?

You left out the preceding sentence: “IMO, you KNOW Trump is in the shit. You KNOW that when these investigations conclude that the Trump administration is going to go through HELL.”

In other words, you think he’s doomed. Be it prison or the third circle of hell. Bottom line is, you’re about as objective as the jurors in the O.J. case.
You openly want your political opponents jailed, evidence be damned.

Oh, please. You do know the difference between President Trump and the "Trump administration", correct?
I said the TRUMP ADMINISTRATION is going to go through HELL, and it is - right now. I said Trump is in the shit...and he is because so many people can turn on him and testify against him.

Except there isn't anybody looking for consent for war...that is that your conspiracy theory.

Well, the pro-war propaganda clearly worked on you...

Here’s a quote from you using the 17 intel consensus lie: “This has nothing to do with Democrats but the entirety of our intelligence community saying that it happened. If you want to argue against it, you are arguing against the: FBI, CIA, NSA, Homeland Security...and on and on.”

Now it turns out that the “entirety of our intelligence community” was actual just a handful of selected intel analysts. Just like Iraq (and most wars), the facts were being fit around the policy. And you fell for it. Sucker.

I don't think so. You don't know the facts yet. The facts in the Iraq build up traced back to one very unreliable source I don't think this situation is even comparable to that.

Unfortunately, it sounds like you have paid very little attention to Russia-American relations up until this past election. US regime change towards Russia has been obvious for some time (placing anti-missile installations and NATO troops right on Russia’s borders, for example).

Nobody has been promoting war with Russia. that is a ridiculous conspiracy theory.

But, besides that, my point is you are so focused in on irrelevant points like these you fail to see the big picture of what Mueller is looking at. Your zombie brain has bought into Trump's "it's all made up by the fake media..."

The 17 intel consensus was not “an irrelevant point.” It was the springboard for the entire Russia inquiry.

You are just wrong. The FBI was already investigating prior to what you stated above. CONGRESS may have jumped in later, but the FBI was already there.

Not the point. Mueller is just the latest in a string of fake Galahads that liberals hope will save them. Whatever Mueller announces, only the die-hard left and the media will care. Mueller will probably be fired anyway.

If Trump fires Mueller, I think you'll see impeachment proceding start within a week....by Republicans.

That is what a special prosecutor does...he looks for crimes and impeachable acts. That is how you go from Whitewater to lying about a blow job.

That was bullshit too. Your desire to see Trump removed has overrun your judgement.

Mueller is charged with looking into the Russia/election/Trump ties....AND ANY OTHER CRIMES THAT ARE UNCOVERED DURING THE INVESTIGATION. That is how it works.

The Clinton thing went so far because Republicans had more power in congress than Democrats do right now...But, if Trump keeps shitting on the Republican party, that may become irrelevant.

[slucero]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... sia-probe/

FBI director: No sign of White House interference in Russia probe


FBI Director Christopher Wray, making his first public appearance since taking the helm of the bureau, said Thursday he’s seen no evidence of efforts by the White House to interfere in agents’ work on the probe into Russian meddling in the presidential election.

“I can say very confidently I have not detected any whiff of interference in that investigation,” Mr. Wray said, speaking alongside intelligence community leaders at a security conference in D.C.

Special Counsel Robert Mueller is overseeing the investigation into Moscow’s interference in the election and any coordination with member of the Trump campaign, but the FBI is providing agents to assist the work.

Mr. Wray told an audience at the Intelligence and National Security Alliance conference that he has confidence in those working the probe as well as “enormous respect” for Mr. Mueller.

Mr. Wray was sworn into office in August. His predecessor James Comey was fired by President Trump in May.

When Mr. Comey was fired, the White House pointed to a recommendation written by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and signed off on by Attorney General Jeff Sessions. But Mr. Trump later said he was planning to fire Mr. Comey regardless of the recommendation and that he was thinking of the Russia controversy when he fired Mr. Comey.

Critics contend Mr. Comey’s dismissal was an effort by the president to undermine the Russia probe. Mr. Mueller was appointed to lead the investigation a week after Mr. Comey’s firing.

[Boomchild]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/7/fbi-director-no-sign-wh-interference-russia-probe/

FBI director: No sign of White House interference in Russia probe


FBI Director Christopher Wray, making his first public appearance since taking the helm of the bureau, said Thursday he’s seen no evidence of efforts by the White House to interfere in agents’ work on the probe into Russian meddling in the presidential election.

“I can say very confidently I have not detected any whiff of interference in that investigation,” Mr. Wray said, speaking alongside intelligence community leaders at a security conference in D.C.

Special Counsel Robert Mueller is overseeing the investigation into Moscow’s interference in the election and any coordination with member of the Trump campaign, but the FBI is providing agents to assist the work.

Mr. Wray told an audience at the Intelligence and National Security Alliance conference that he has confidence in those working the probe as well as “enormous respect” for Mr. Mueller.

Mr. Wray was sworn into office in August. His predecessor James Comey was fired by President Trump in May.

When Mr. Comey was fired, the White House pointed to a recommendation written by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and signed off on by Attorney General Jeff Sessions. But Mr. Trump later said he was planning to fire Mr. Comey regardless of the recommendation and that he was thinking of the Russia controversy when he fired Mr. Comey.

Critics contend Mr. Comey’s dismissal was an effort by the president to undermine the Russia probe. Mr. Mueller was appointed to lead the investigation a week after Mr. Comey’s firing.

So when is the DNC going to release the Russian "hacked" servers to the FBI to examine? Surely if Mr. Mueller is looking to do a complete and thorough "investigation" this would certainly be at the top of his list.

[Monker]

The word Bronze would be a good clue, but then again, it's you.

Well, smart-ass, you're wrong. If you go to Wellmark's site you will see they divide up their own plan....not the exchanges.

[Boomchild]

Interesting read.

Bookmark This: Over 400 Links Google Doesn’t Want You To Visit

The war on truth has reached a fever pitch as Google has made it their mission to annihilate the independent media. The ‘New Media’ lead by the likes of Infowars, Breitbart, Natural News and many other great independent sites will have an uphill battle when it comes to getting their content in front of readers. Google has announced they will be doubling down on their ‘Orwellian’ practice of making stories disappear from their monopolistic search engine. Outlined in their Gestapo like 160-page handbook, Google describes exactly how they plan to suppress any information they deem unfit for readers. Highlighted at the bottom of page 108 Google states:

● Pages that directly contradict well established
scientific or medical consensus for queries seeking scientific or
medical information, unless the query indicates the user is seeking an alternative viewpoint.

● Pages that directly contradict well-established
historical facts (e.g., unsubstantiated conspiracy theories), unless
the query clearly indicates the user is seeking an alternative viewpoint.

These two guidelines provided by Google should set off alarm bells to anyone who has a thirst for knowledge or anyone that has the audacity to examine both sides of a topic. Imagine only being able to see and hear the corporate narrative on such important issues like vaccines, 9/11, holistic health, the Kennedy assassination, climate change, banking alternatives, and many other important matters. And that is only scratching the surface.

http://govtslaves.com/2017-08-29-bookma ... visit.html

[Boomchild]

From Wikileaks...

Hillary Clinton in private Goldman Sachs speech: US will "Ring China With Missile Defense." wikileaks.org/podesta-emails//fileid/927/180 #China #DPRK

[Monker]

Interesting read.

Bookmark This: Over 400 Links Google Doesn’t Want You To Visit

The war on truth has reached a fever pitch as Google has made it their mission to annihilate the independent media. The ‘New Media’ lead by the likes of Infowars, Breitbart, Natural News and many other great independent sites will have an uphill battle when it comes to getting their content in front of readers. Google has announced they will be doubling down on their ‘Orwellian’ practice of making stories disappear from their monopolistic search engine. Outlined in their Gestapo like 160-page handbook, Google describes exactly how they plan to suppress any information they deem unfit for readers. Highlighted at the bottom of page 108 Google states:

● Pages that directly contradict well established
scientific or medical consensus for queries seeking scientific or
medical information, unless the query indicates the user is seeking an alternative viewpoint.

● Pages that directly contradict well-established
historical facts (e.g., unsubstantiated conspiracy theories), unless
the query clearly indicates the user is seeking an alternative viewpoint.

These two guidelines provided by Google should set off alarm bells to anyone who has a thirst for knowledge or anyone that has the audacity to examine both sides of a topic. Imagine only being able to see and hear the corporate narrative on such important issues like vaccines, 9/11, holistic health, the Kennedy assassination, climate change, banking alternatives, and many other important matters. And that is only scratching the surface.

http://govtslaves.com/2017-08-29-bookma ... visit.html

Sorry, but Google has the right to change the algorithm that THEIR search engine uses. It also specifically says that if a user wants alternative viewpoints, they can get them. IMO, nothing to worry about for me.

Instead of being whiny babies, come up with an alt-right version of Google that suppresses well substantiated fact with the alt-right version of reality and "alternative facts".

If I knew how, even I would do that...if someone does, they will be an instant millionaire.

[Memorex]

I don't think the country needs a right leaning and left leaning search provider. They need one that just returns the results of what's asked for. And you know, not soy so much. And maybe pay the proper taxes.

I hear duck duck go is like this. Haven't tried it.

[Monker]

When advertised a "Search Engine", it should be just that. Google should advertise "A left Leaning search engine for liberal propaganda". Of course, as long as it's globalist, you're all for it.

No, I'm just more conservative than you and believe that a business has a right to create their own product free from government regulation.

And, I believe in the free market Capitalism where if Google oversteps their changes and offends the public then the public will stop using their product in favor of something else....perhaps Bing.

And, as I said, I believe in competition in business where if there truly is a need to have "alternative facts" be high in Googles results, than someone will come along and invent a tool to compete with Google that does just that.

You seem to be a liberal who likes regulation, a communist who believes the state should either own or dictate what business does, and you do not believe in Capitalism and that competition will emerge to replace inferior products (do remember the Excite search engine? How about Lycos? ...didn't think so...maybe you remember Bing.) Case closed...move back to Russia, North Korea, China, or Cuba where the country is run more to your liking.

[Monker]

I don't think the country needs a right leaning and left leaning search provider. They need one that just returns the results of what's asked for. And you know, not soy so much. And maybe pay the proper taxes.

I hear duck duck go is like this. Haven't tried it.

"the country"? Ummm, the US doesn't own the internet. We just THINK we do.

If Google doesn't give the results people need, something will replace it. And, if enough people want to have the intelligence of Sarah Palin, an alt-right search engine will happen - I guarantee it. Steve Bannon is probably investing in one right now.

[Boomchild]

I don't think the country needs a right leaning and left leaning search provider. They need one that just returns the results of what's asked for. And you know, not soy so much. And maybe pay the proper taxes.

I hear duck duck go is like this. Haven't tried it.

I would say the world doesn't need either. Your right search engine companies should give results unfiltered and not screened with a scientific, political or opinion bias. Now this is not to say that I would advocate for government regulation to "solve" the issue. Certainly Google can run their company the way they want to. But, that doesn't mean that because they can do a thing, they should do said thing. The internet is one of the greatest inventions ever. It allows people to share their thoughts and opinions and conduct commerce. It has given people the ability to do so better then any other system created. It should be free from censorship or making it difficult for people to find the wealth of information on it. In my opinion, what Google is doing is counter productive to what the internet is about. In time it may be something that hurts them. Duck Duck Go has reported that since Google has taken these actions, Duck Duck Go has seen an up tick in the use of their search engine.

[Monker]

Monker sure is clinging to his nonsense post subjects. Like saying there was no proof of a ACA plan when I pointed out it said it was a Bronze plan.

You do realize that you can go to Wellmark and buy a plan yourself without going through the exchanges, correct? That is what I looked at and they STILL divide up their plans bronze/silver/gold/platinum. The "Bronze" describes the Wellmark plan, not how the ACA categorizes it.

Of course, he still can't admit he's wrong, as usual.

Because I am not wrong. Go look it up yourself.

[qutoe] But lets not talk about Trump/Russia, falling apart. [/quote]

Six WH staffers were just named to be questioned by Mueller. It's not "falling apart", or going anywhere...that is just wishfull thinking..

[Boomchild]

Cool

http://ijr.com/the-declaration/2017/09/ ... ightmares/

I think it is wise to take a step back before rushing to support any action like this or military engagement with North Korea. After all the Neo-Cons as well as others love to make war. It's good for business with the military industrial complex. I am not so sure that our military is in shape for another military engagement. President Trump says they are but I am not so sure I believe it. I'm sure Kim does not want to piss off China. I think Trump needs to work hard to get China to have Kim fall in line.

[Boomchild]

So with the new administration in the WH some of us thought we would see the right actions coming from our justice department. Especially in the DOJ and FBI. Well this news doesn't to make this thought look good. Seems we are going to just see more of the same old same old. The establishment is STILL being well sheilded and very much alive and well. I'm sure this gives them less to worry about. "Drain The Swamp" my ass.

DOJ Will Not Pursue Charges Against Lois Lerner

Earlier this year, House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Kevin Brady of Texas asked the DOJ to re-review the case, and he trusted that Attorney General Jeff Sessions’ department would properly investigate the issue and bring the perpetrators to justice.

However, the DOJ has stunningly decided not to re-open the investigation, Fox News is reporting.

In a letter to members of Congress, the Justice Department said that “reopening the criminal investigation would not be appropriate based on the available evidence.”

Republican leaders on the House Ways and Means Committee had hoped the Justice Department would reopen its case against ex-IRS official Lois Lerner now that Republican Donald Trump is in the White House and Attorney General Jeff Sessions runs the department.

They were disappointed in the department’s response. “This is a terrible decision,” said Rep. Kevin Brady, R-Texas, the Ways and Means Committee chairman. “It sends the message that the same legal, ethical, and constitutional standards we all live by do not apply to Washington political appointees.”

http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/doj-w ... ampaign=LC

[The_Noble_Cause]

Instead of being whiny babies, come up with an alt-right version of Google that suppresses well substantiated fact with the alt-right version of reality and "alternative facts".

The alt-right version of Twitter - GAB - has been banned by Google Play. Entirely Google's right. But why not allow alternative viewpoints?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Six WH staffers were just named to be questioned by Mueller. It's not "falling apart", or going anywhere...that is just wishfull thinking..

That is not unusual at all. Alert me when they plead the fifth or completely defy the subpoena, like Hillary's IT team that handled her server.

[The_Noble_Cause]

This is simply not true. You gave one quote which was in reference to the creation of the nation as a whole, not specifically to the electoral college.

The quote I provided was of Franklin saying the constitutional convention had birthed a republic. I wasn’t even talking about the electoral college. I was talking about Charlottesville, which you think is some sort of great example of direct democracy in action.

The electoral college was created primarily for two reasons....to give small states a more equal voice in the presidential election. And, because some founders wanted a safe guard from the mass stupidity that their experience has shown is possible. In other words - they wanted the electors to be independent to AVOID a situation like we have right now with Donald Duck Trump. Just because they have never over turned the public vote does NOT mean they are not there to do exactly that.

That’s arguable. The Founders did not see eye to eye on much of anything. And even if that was the case, things evolve. For example, senators used to be appointed not elected. Currently, the electoral college represents the majority will of their respective states. Electors are bound in half of the states to carry out the popular vote.

"It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations.

It was also peculiarly desirable to afford as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder. This evil was not least to be dreaded in the election of a magistrate, who was to have so important an agency in the administration of the government as the President of the United States. But the precautions which have been so happily concerted in the system under consideration, promise an effectual security against this mischief. The choice of SEVERAL, to form an intermediate body of electors, will be much less apt to convulse the community with any extraordinary or violent movements, than the choice of ONE who was himself to be the final object of the public wishes. And as the electors, chosen in each State, are to assemble and vote in the State in which they are chosen, this detached and divided situation will expose them much less to heats and ferments, which might be communicated from them to the people, than if they were all to be convened at one time, in one place. " Alexander Hamilton - the Federalist Paper, #68.

The bottom line is as I stated. The electoral college was DESIGNED to move the election out of the people's hands and into the electors hands. The founders did this BECAUSE THEY DID NOT TRUST THE MASSES to always elect a President without "mischief", as he says. The electoral college was designed to AVOID a Donald Duck Trump, not elect him via a hysterical public.

Blah blah And 100% of your antifa buddies say the electoral college is a racist relic that preserved slavery with the 3/5 compromise.

Yeah, sure. A man who believes "fine people" march with Nazi's is going to earn sympathy from the Jews.

His own daughter and son in law are Jewish. Trump is a New York City institution with Hollywood connections.Trying to typecast Trump as some sort of backwoods Deliverance racist just won’t fly.

"Russia" as in the entire controversy with Russia...Whatever, change it to "The Russia controversy..." then. Whatever.

You are still generalizing. And The Russia Controversy sounds like a rejected title of a Ludlum novel. The controversy stemmed from reports of Russia hacking the elections. The basis of that has largely been the declassified DNI report and the examined DNC servers. Both have amounted to flimsy cherry picked evidence.

Comey testified that the FBI started investigating Trump/Russia/election in July of 2016. IMO, July is definitely the "middle of 2016".

Nice try. You said the investigation began “due to the NSA telling the FBI that it had intercepted Trump people talking to Russians.” Comey didn’t say that at all. In fact, Comey shot down widely circulated reporting on intercepted Trump-Russia calls as “not true.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/er ... 8aa7bce7aa

I don't think so. You don't know the facts yet. The facts in the Iraq build up traced back to one very unreliable source I don't think this situation is even comparable to that.

That is a disingenuous simplification of Iraq. Yes, there was Curveball, the Iraqi defector, who made up tall tales. But Rumsfeld had an entire intel department – Office of Special Plans - which was dedicated to manufacturing BS intel to justify the invasion. It was set up to circumvent intel vetting procedures.

Nobody has been promoting war with Russia. that is a ridiculous conspiracy theory.

The endless torrent of fake anti-Russian stories (Wash Post – Putin hacked Vermont power grid etc), and politically motivated sanctions suggest otherwise. But keep your eyes closed, little sheep. The propaganda blitz had you trained on here to say that if you defy Pentagon-Media groupthink then “you are arguing against the: FBI, CIA, NSA, Homeland Security...and on and on.” - THIS right there pretty much proves you are utterly incapable of thinking for yourself. This same inability to think critically has caused you to repeat other obvious lies, not the least of which is “Hillary had permission to use a private server.”

Mueller is charged with looking into the Russia/election/Trump ties....AND ANY OTHER CRIMES THAT ARE UNCOVERED DURING THE INVESTIGATION. That is how it works.

So in other words, a prosecution in search of a crime.

[Boomchild]

Cool

http://ijr.com/the-declaration/2017/09/ ... ightmares/

I think it is wise to take a step back before rushing to support any action like this or military engagement with North Korea. After all the Neo-Cons as well as others love to make war. It's good for business with the military industrial complex. I am not so sure that our military is in shape for another military engagement. President Trump says they are but I am not so sure I believe it. I'm sure Kim does not want to piss off China. I think Trump needs to work hard to get China to have Kim fall in line.

Ya, thats worked so well for the past 40 years.

You mean like the war in Iraq, Afghanistan and the "liberation" of Libya. Let's not forget the last time we got directly involved militarily in Korea.

[Boomchild]

Boomchild, I don't see the problem with American Seals teaching some one else how to take out the little bastard.

Oh you mean like Saddam in Iraq. Let's say we do that, then what? Kim knows that if he were to launch a nuke at the U.S. or one of our allies he and his country are complete toast. Have you forgotten or never read past reports that N. Korea really doesn't do anything that would piss off China? That basically China has N. Korea under it's thumb.

[Boomchild]

Before we get all worried about what N. Korea's next move will be perhaps this is something to be more concerned about.

ISIS in possession of 11,100 blank Syrian passports

Islamic State terrorists are now in possession of 11,100 blank passports that could be used to hide their identity and help them seek asylum in Europe, it has emerged.

Records from the German Federal Criminal Police Office, reportedly seen by Bild newspaper, show ISIS fighters have these documents, meaning sleeper cells of terrorists could already be embedded in mainland Europe.

It comes after Der Spiegel newspaper reported that several dozen Syrian extremists linked to the al-Nusra Front and IS terrorist groups who committed “numerous massacres” of civilians and captives, have sought asylum in Germany.

http://www.westmonster.com/isis-in-poss ... passports/

[Monker]

Monker wrote:
"It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations.

It was also peculiarly desirable to afford as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder. This evil was not least to be dreaded in the election of a magistrate, who was to have so important an agency in the administration of the government as the President of the United States. But the precautions which have been so happily concerted in the system under consideration, promise an effectual security against this mischief. The choice of SEVERAL, to form an intermediate body of electors, will be much less apt to convulse the community with any extraordinary or violent movements, than the choice of ONE who was himself to be the final object of the public wishes. And as the electors, chosen in each State, are to assemble and vote in the State in which they are chosen, this detached and divided situation will expose them much less to heats and ferments, which might be communicated from them to the people, than if they were all to be convened at one time, in one place. " Alexander Hamilton - the Federalist Paper, #68.

The bottom line is as I stated. The electoral college was DESIGNED to move the election out of the people's hands and into the electors hands. The founders did this BECAUSE THEY DID NOT TRUST THE MASSES to always elect a President without "mischief", as he says. The electoral college was designed to AVOID a Donald Duck Trump, not elect him via a hysterical public.


Blah blah And 100% of your antifa buddies say the electoral college is a racist relic that preserved slavery with the 3/5 compromise.

And, that is what it sounds like when TNC knows he's wrong but can't admit it.

I don't care about the racist argument.

Monker wrote:
Yeah, sure. A man who believes "fine people" march with Nazi's is going to earn sympathy from the Jews.


His own daughter and son in law are Jewish. Trump is a New York City institution with Hollywood connections.Trying to typecast Trump as some sort of backwoods Deliverance racist just won’t fly.

So, his family married into Judiism. What his kids do does not equate to his own biases.

Monker wrote:
"Russia" as in the entire controversy with Russia...Whatever, change it to "The Russia controversy..." then. Whatever.


You are still generalizing.

Yes, in that instance, I did. The parts where I was more specific, you ignored.

The controversy stemmed from reports of Russia hacking the elections.

And, this is how it sounds when you are proven wrong and decide to change your mind. Not too long ago the Russia investigation stemmed from the 12 intel agencies in agreement. Funny how you change to this after I proved you wrong.

Monker wrote:
Comey testified that the FBI started investigating Trump/Russia/election in July of 2016. IMO, July is definitely the "middle of 2016".

Nice try. You said the investigation began “due to the NSA telling the FBI that it had intercepted Trump people talking to Russians.” Comey didn’t say that at all. In fact, Comey shot down widely circulated reporting on intercepted Trump-Russia calls as “not true.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/er ... 8aa7bce7aa

No, he did not. He carefully worded his comments to neither "shoot anything down" nor confirm anything. He simply rephrased the classic line, "those who know, don't talk. Those who don't know, gossip."

Regardless, what I was arguing here is that what I said about the FBI investigation starting in the middle of 2016 is true...and that is BEFORE the 12 intel agencies all agreeing talk came about. Talk which YOU WRONGLY SAID the instigation came from.

Monker wrote:
I don't think so. You don't know the facts yet. The facts in the Iraq build up traced back to one very unreliable source I don't think this situation is even comparable to that.

That is a disingenuous simplification of Iraq. Yes, there was Curveball, the Iraqi defector, who made up tall tales.

All goes to prove my point that they are not the same thing.

Monker wrote:
Nobody has been promoting war with Russia. that is a ridiculous conspiracy theory.


The endless torrent of fake anti-Russian stories (Wash Post – Putin hacked Vermont power grid etc), and politically motivated sanctions suggest otherwise.

No, it doesn't. None of that equates to war mongering.

Monker wrote:
Mueller is charged with looking into the Russia/election/Trump ties....AND ANY OTHER CRIMES THAT ARE UNCOVERED DURING THE INVESTIGATION. That is how it works.

So in other words, a prosecution in search of a crime.

No, a speciala prosecuter unleashed due to Trump's firing of Comey and a desire to keep the investigation out of Trump's control and influence. This is a grave Trump himself has been digging.

[Monker]

Boomchild, I don't see the problem with American Seals teaching some one else how to take out the little bastard.

You're an idiot.

Assassinating Kim would reignite the Korean war.

[Monker]

Boomchild, I don't see the problem with American Seals teaching some one else how to take out the little bastard.

You're an idiot.

Assassinating Kim would reignite the Korean war.

There is plenty of talk of taking him out to stop their nuke programs and have hope of reuniting Korea. While we're at it, You're a clueless moron.
Boomchild, you better rethink if you and Monker are on the same page.

The people don't want it. Taking out Kim, especially if South Korea does it, will do nothing but end the cease fire.

It's a crazy idea. This isn't a country in rebellion, like Libya. Or, a country divided via religious factions held together by a dictator, like Iraq. This is a country united with thousands of missiles aimed at South Korea...waiting for an excuse to be fired...killing Kim would be that excuse.

[Monker]

No doubt your scared of this too, monker.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-korea- ... l#comments

Why should I be "scared" of a little peon dictator? People like you and Trump who have crazy ideas about war and support regime change in countries that affect entire regions of the world are much more scarier than Kim.

Just a few weeks ago YOU were asking where North Korea was....because Trump threatened nuclear war and talked all big handed and dangerous. Guess you have your answer...they were planning how to make Trump look like an ass again.

[Boomchild]

There is plenty of talk of taking him out to stop their nuke programs and have hope of reuniting Korea. While we're at it, You're a clueless moron.
Boomchild, you better rethink if you and Monker are on the same page.

First of all, I cannot believe you think in such a sophomoric way. Just because we would agree on one point doesn't mean we are identical in all or most of our own opinions and positions. All an intelligent person would need to do is compare our posts on this site to understand that. I think it's safe to say we are nowhere near being lockstep.

Before you rush to support ANY military action against N. Korea, consider the following:

1. How much of a DIRECT imminent threat is N. Korea's nuclear weapons program to the U.S.?

2. China seems to understand our concerns about it based on them being on board with the additional sanctions the U.N. ratified.

3. China has publicly stated that they would not come to N. Korea's aid should they choose to make a first strike.

4. China has also made it clear that they would not be supportive of the U.S. taking a first strike military action. With how China has been ramping up their military capabilities, the last thing we need is to provoke them into a military engagement.

5. Historically N. Korea has been and I believe still is heavily influenced by China's positions on things. In some ways they are a puppet of China.

6. In my last reply I said if we were to take out Kim by a seal team operation then what? It could very well destabilize N. Korea and then we would be pressured to intervene. Meaning some sort of direct presence in the country and maybe helping to setup the replacement government. In basic terms, just another "nation building" operation. Something that President Trump said he would make sure we WOULD NOT get involved in.

7. Look into Trans-Asian Railway. Perhaps this may be something to do with how N. Korea is acting. But you won't hear the press or our government talk about it. Gee, I wonder why?

The point is this is an extremely complicated situation. A situation that calls for little or zero missteps. Since China seems to be agreeable to helping resolve the situation, I think it would be best to further that diplomatic solution then creating another military incursion or possibly something worse. What's being talked about now is what I feared Hillary or any of the other career politicians would suggest. Which is not what I voted for. Just think back to Libya and Obama's choice to support taking Gaddafi out. Gaddafi was by no means a "good guy" but was not an imminent threat either. But we aided in his killing and we ended up with a even bigger threat in it's place.

[Boomchild]

I'm begining to wonder if your brain isn't as small as monkers.

Your free to wonder all you want. No one is stopping you. However, it still doesn't make whatever you are wondering about any more true.

NOWHERE does it say ANYTHING about a AMERICAN strike. It says we are training South Korean Personal to do the job. It's on them.

I should have been clear. This is the action that I was referring to. Our government isn't fooling anyone. If S. Korea's military was to perform the hit, everyone and their brother would know the U.S. orchestrated it. This is the type of action China has stated they would not condone. Add to that Kim is itching for an excuse to invade S. Korea. This could be one. Which brings up another important point. How did the information about this plan come out of the Trump administration? Doesn't fit Trump's statements of "we are not going to telegraph to the world what our military action plans are".

China has talked about taking him out. They've had it with his people pouring over their border. They've had it with him upsetting the apple cart. It's costing them money and they don't like it. They don't like us beefing up Japans Armed Forces. We might very well make Japan Nuclear because of him.

Good then all the more reason to work with China to get them to do it. Which begs the question, IF they are so fed up with Kim then what are they waiting for? You are ignoring the main key question on this subject. Is N. Korea an IMMINENT THREAT to the U.S.? I am confident that if Kim would be so stupid as to launch a nuke at the U.S. our nuclear missile defense system would handle it easily. He also knows that in doing so the U.S. would make crater out of what is his country.

As far as your" sophmoric" remark, it's equally as childish. You've stated your side I , and I've stated mine. That's it.

You seem to have selective memory. You didn't just "state your side", You inferred that just because I and Monker MAY agree on certain aspects of the situation with N. Korea that means somehow I agree with All or most of his views and opinions. Which is complete bullshit.Especially when evidence to that fact is right in this very thread. It's the typical tactic some use when they cannot debate or argue their position.


And on a side note, I notice you haven't talked about the DOJ dropping any further investigations into the IRS abuse of power concerning the targeting of conservative groups. Just how does that fit in with "DRAINING THE SWAMP" that Trump talked so much about? I don't see how you can accomplish that when you are letting major swamp creates walk free. Cannot wait for the shoe to drop about investigations into Hillary and the current situation with Debbie Wasserman and her IT guy. Is Debbie's brother still leading up the investigative team on her former IT guy?

[Monker]

I'm begining to wonder if your brain isn't as small as monkers. NOWHERE does it say ANYTHING about a AMERICAN strike. It says we are training South Korean Personal to do the job. It's on them.

Yeah, right. Just like during "Bay of Pigs", it was all on the people of Cuba because we trained some Cuban rebels.

You do not understand that the Korean War is not "over", correct? There is only a cease fire (armistice) agreement. Are you telling me that you do not believe that South Korea killing the leader of North Korea effectively ends that cease fire? Come on.

And, you have some type of naive belief that North Koreans want to reunite the country under democracy? Please. They have been taught for generations that democracy and capitalism is evil. This would end up being worse than Iraq.

China has talked about taking him out. They've had it with his people pouring over their border. They've had it with him upsetting the apple cart. It's costing them money and they don't like it.

Ah, so explain why Trump has to BEG China to do something about the situation? If they had "had it", they would act.

They don't like us beefing up Japans Armed Forces.

Japan has not had any significant "armed forces" since the end of WW2. They have a small "self defense" force but it is so small that it hardly amounts to anything.

After WW2, nobody wanted a militarized Japan, or Germany.

We might very well make Japan Nuclear because of him.

No, we won't. That would be an incredibly dumb decision....on many levels.