WITH ALL DUE RESPECT I DON’T SEE HOW....

[gr8dane]

Monker..... Actually Tommy lied in that article you’re so proud of about deciding to quit after Dallas since he had already quit June 2 in Landover

This is 100% true. Landover was the day the proverbial poo hit the fan ... and it's on video Hence my earlier comment.

Did this happen on stage ? Or was someone filming backstage ?

[Monker]

Monker, Queen of denial, "He doesn't think" that's for sure Yogi you were there (the Texxas Jam) but that doesn’t count because the “queen” is too busy covering for JY and Tommy as always because if he doesn’t he exposes his dupedom to all of us. But it’s far too late for that BATHWATER drinker. Gulp Gulp Gulp.

All I am saying is that you are not looking at it from Tommy's POV. I don't think he lied. I think he said what he thought. He saw Ted and Sammy to this outrageous rock show, and while the crowd waited an hour for Styx set up their theatrics, the crowd left.

JY, Tommy and Cahill lied flat out, straight up about the Cotton Bowl to cover up the fact that they were replacing a sick colleague and preparing to grab power and money. Telling everyone on TV that Styx fans were stupid for buying the Kilroy was Here album or tickets to the concert, Mr. Roboto the song, Caught in the Act and Babe.

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They replace an over bearing, egotistical, control freak.

Tommy just wants to be happy and now he is, Styx is his plaything just check all the current vanity projects, he’s in charge now and JY disappears and does what he’s told. But Queenie dupe can’t see it or admit, foggy goggles.

Yes, Tommy's happy now, JY is happy now, Chuck is happy now. The only one who is NOT happy is Dennis. So what.

Monker..... Actually Tommy lied in that article you’re so proud of about deciding to quit after Dallas since he had already quit June 2 in Landover and Dallas was the 18th. Check your facts. Although considering Tommy’s condition who knows what he remembers.

Well, perhaps you should check YOUR facts. Tommy didn't lie in that article. Tommy wasn't interviewed in that article. It was Sammy and Ted who were talking.

[qute]Fact: Dennis put Styx on hold to wait for Tommy. Had he not, there would have been a new member and a new Styx in 1984 and a stadium tour as per the other members wishes.[/quote]

That's just not true. He went into a solo career. Then when Tommy was ready, he wasn't. He did not put Styx on hold for Tommy. That's just an exaggeration and lie on your part.

I have the Dennis interviews for Desert Moon where he repeatedly said that he didn’t want to be a solo artist and that he liked being in a band it’s public record. In addition, I have a lot of articles and interviews, in print and recorded.

He also said he had an option for a solo album in his contract so he took it. He did not sit on his lazy ass and wait for Tommy. He went right into a solo album, just as Tommy did.

After Tommy quit he asked A&M about doing a solo album. Then they offered Dennis a chance to make an album as well and he did. Why shouldn’t he?

If he was "waiting for Tommy" he wouldn't go make a solo album.

According to Monker the world should stop because his hero Tommy says so, grow up.

No, YOU are the one saying this...that Dennis was waiting for Tommy. He wasn't.

The Panozzo’s and JY got no such offer from A&M. Why? They had to wait or fund their own record.

Which I am sure is why they wanted to replace Tommy...and the promise of a big tour and live album...all making them money. Where if they wait for Tommy, they get nothing.

And, BTW, if Dennis was such a good guy and such good friends with the P brothers, why did he not make album with them to help them out?

Tommy waited till he was out of album deals before he called Dennis. Why? Jobless.

LOL...so what.

Except for the time when he called Dennis to apologize to him for all the wrong he had done to him as part of his 12 step recovery program for addiction. Dennis accepted.

And, that is part of forgiveness...taking responsibility for what you have done and asking forgiveness. When has Dennis sat down and talked to Tommy about the things HE has done wrong, admitted them, taking responsibility for them, and asked forgiveness? I doubt he ever fully has...not to the extent you describe above.

By the way Monker, capitalizing “THREE TIMES” he called Dennis, becomes justification in your mind for being an addict and ruining Styx and literally stopping the members from earning millions of dollars and staying away for years chasing the “tiger beat teens”. Tommy called THREE TIMES, everyone stop everything He called.

Wow, you like to make shit up. Capitalizing it emphasizes the fact that Dennis was NOT waiting for Tommy. It is a complete fabrication on your part. It's simply NOT TRUE.

So you claim that when Tommy, who’s now out of work calls Dennis after 4 and a half years out of the blue Dennis, JY and the Panozzo’s should snap to attention. Tommy does have you wound around his little finger Monker.

I claim that if Dennis was waiting for Tommy he would not put him off and eventually sent him to Jack and Ted...and then replaced him when he was in DY. He was NOT waiting for Tommy. He waited for nobody...he went off and did his own thing.

“Kilroy killed Styx”?????? NO JY and the Panozzo's wanted to go forward without Tommy. Again it was drug and alcohol abuse by one member on an ego trip.

JY and the P's wanted to work. You have your blinder on if you can not admit that Kilroy was the last straw for Tommy being in Styx.

On BTM Tommy he says he had to self medicate because of Robots it’s is another lie. He had been self medicating since 1977.

And, how do you know that the entire Kilroy situation made everything a LOT worse?

[StyxCollector]

The reality is quit or not, TS finished things out. He didn't just do Landover and walk away. I am not privy to what happened behind the scenes, but I'm sure they made it so they got through the tour. Styx is not the first nor last band where these types of things occur. Remember the whole Bon Jovi thing with Richie?

[StyxCollector]

Monker..... Actually Tommy lied in that article you’re so proud of about deciding to quit after Dallas since he had already quit June 2 in Landover

This is 100% true. Landover was the day the proverbial poo hit the fan ... and it's on video Hence my earlier comment.

Did this happen on stage ? Or was someone filming backstage ?

Pro shot show. He didn't say "I quit" on stage. All of that was behind the scenes but if you know the backstory of the show, hoo boy is it an interesting watch.

[yogi]

Tommy & Cahil both said on the Behind The Music that after the Dallas portion of the Texas Jamm Tommy quit. Houston was even sadder but Tommy agreed to honor the contract and finish the tour. Will if he actually quit 2-3 weeks earlier in Landover, did he quit again in Dallas? That makes zero sense.

What does make sense is Tommy was stoned out of his mind and mailed it in on the shows are he quit in Maryland. Also makes sense that he was intimated as hell by the guitar gods Emmett, Nugent & Hagar when they played in front of him in Dallas & Houston.

I would say he used Emmett, Nugent & Hagar as fuel to rock out on the blistering rock anthems Little Girl World & Lonely School from his debut solo album, but it wouldn’t be right to say that. That’s a cheap shot.

They lied their asses off on Behind The Music to make Dennis look like shit. Did Dennis bring this up at all in the lawsuit? If not why wouldn’t he?

Also if DDY has Chuck & John play and tour with him on Desert Moon that’s nothing more than a scaled back Styx project.

[StyxCollector]

Tommy & Cahil both said on the Behind The Music that after the Dallas portion of the Texas Jamm Tommy quit. Houston was even sadder but Tommy agreed to honor the contract and finish the tour. Will if he actually quit 2-3 weeks earlier in Landover, did he quit again in Dallas? That makes zero sense.

I've also been told directly by someone close to the band that there was going to be a non-Kilroy hits tour but TS kinda blew that up by quitting.

I would say he used Emmett, Nugent & Hagar as fuel to rock out on the blistering rock anthems Little Girl World & Lonely School from his debut solo album, but it wouldn’t be right to say that. That’s a cheap shot.

LGW was an older song that happened to get released on GWG. My recollection is it dates to the mid-70s.

They lied their asses off on Behind The Music to make Dennis look like shit. Did Dennis bring this up at all in the lawsuit? If not why wouldn’t he?

BTM told a narrative. It's easy to splice video clips and tell a story. I've said this before, but when I recorded True Spin for Roboto, they wanted me to say something which made me uncomfortable and I refused. They used other stuff I said but it is what it is. They all could have said nice stuff about each other but no conflict doesn't make for entertainment.

[Monker]

The reality is quit or not, TS finished things out. He didn't just do Landover and walk away. I am not privy to what happened behind the scenes, but I'm sure they made it so they got through the tour. Styx is not the first nor last band where these types of things occur. Remember the whole Bon Jovi thing with Richie?

One thing that was made clear in the current Journey fiasco is that the, now canceled, 2020 tour was contractually bound to a specific lineup of Journey. Part of Ross Valory's counter lawsuit shows this and that Journey was legally bound to that line up and had to pay him even though Neal fired him.

The same may be true with Styx...Maybe Tommy was legally bound to be a part of Styx through the tour. So, if he left early, Styx would be breaking their contract and it would open up Tommy to be sued by the band.

[yogi]

I totally get that. Spin and controversy sells. If I’m not mistaken the Styx Behind The Music was by far their largest watched Behind The Music ever at the time and that lasted for a long time.

When that aired I loved the new ‘Styx’. I was a huge Glen fan and I always loved Tommy. I had seen them twice on the Brave New World tour with Gowan huge Todd fan and always liked JY. Hell I still go see them.

My brother was living in KY I was in TX. I made sure he watched it. He called me the minute that show ended and the first thing out of his mouth was boy is Dennis DeYoung an asshole. Then he asked me a question that he knew the answer to it was: “Didn’t you go see that show at the Texas Jam they were talking about”? I remember my exact answer I said ‘you know I did Art. You know I already told you how great that entire concert was. I begged you to go with me and you could of gone but you were too damn cheap to buy the fuc.... airline ticket”. He then said to me “you said it was so damn great, their manager and Shaw said it was awful and it was enough to make Deyoungs sidekick quit’ I then told my brother Art ‘I have no idea if Dennis DeYoung is the asshole they say he is but in no way did the events happen the way they said they did’. I told him how hot it was that day exactly like it was the year before for Journey how they announced on the PA that they were cutting off beer sales before Styx came on stage and how the thousands of people that left left long before Styx even took the stage. Not at all like the Behind The Music made it appear to happen with all the booing and people leaving as Styx was playing.

That part was totally made up. It was complete fiction. It made Dennis look like shit and if Tommy, JY or Chuck had an ounce of integrity they should come out tomorrow and say how that part of the Behind The Music episode was completely false.

[Monker]

Tommy & Cahil both said on the Behind The Music that after the Dallas portion of the Texas Jamm Tommy quit. Houston was even sadder but Tommy agreed to honor the contract and finish the tour. Will if he actually quit 2-3 weeks earlier in Landover, did he quit again in Dallas? That makes zero sense.

What does make sense is Tommy was stoned out of his mind and mailed it in on the shows are he quit in Maryland. Also makes sense that he was intimated as hell by the guitar gods Emmett, Nugent & Hagar when they played in front of him in Dallas & Houston.

If he was so intimidated by Sammy and Ted, he wouldn't have joined Damn Yankees. I think he was simply extremely jealous that they got to put on a real rock show and Styx was engaging more and more into theatrics...and he hated it.

I would say he used Emmett, Nugent & Hagar as fuel to rock out on the blistering rock anthems Little Girl World & Lonely School from his debut solo album, but it wouldn’t be right to say that. That’s a cheap shot.

That's called being passive aggressive.

But, whatever...you are either missing or ignoring my original point. Styx was no longer that type of band. They should have had bands like Kansas open for them.

They lied their asses off on Behind The Music to make Dennis look like shit. Did Dennis bring this up at all in the lawsuit? If not why wouldn’t he?

I doubt anybody knows what Dennis "brought up", and in this example, it would be a bit irrelevant.

Also if DDY has Chuck & John play and tour with him on Desert Moon that’s nothing more than a scaled back Styx project.

He wouldn't even have to do that. He could have them guest on some songs. Tommy did that for both Nugent and Jack Blades on 7DZ. I am thinking that Todd was on it, too. Dennis went totally off on his own. Then after he refused record deals, he went off on his own after EotC, doing 10 On Broadway and the Hunchback production. He wasn't looking out for everybody else, just himself. And, that's not a 'bad' thing.

[StyxCollector]

One thing that was made clear in the current Journey fiasco is that the, now canceled, 2020 tour was contractually bound to a specific lineup of Journey. Part of Ross Valory's counter lawsuit shows this and that Journey was legally bound to that line up and had to pay him even though Neal fired him.

The same may be true with Styx...Maybe Tommy was legally bound to be a part of Styx through the tour. So, if he left early, Styx would be breaking their contract and it would open up Tommy to be sued by the band.

Maybe. Not sure what was in any legal agreements with venues at the time. Is it possible? Sure. I think the answer may be simpler: they were coming up on lucrative dates (see said Cotton Bowl gig) that they may have lost a LOT of money of TS walked away and blew Styx up before the tour ended. Sometimes the answer may be simpler, maybe it isn't. None of us were there so we'll never know. TS, JY, DDY, CP, and management at the time know the real truth is and what went down behind the scenes.