New Journey in 2021!

[Monker]

You do what you always do, take things completely out of context. Some of those are literally from YEARS ago. Others are taken out of context. All of them are about releasing a new album not just 'new music'. None of them were said after the new lineup was announced.

You do what you always do when caught red-handed lying your ass off, you play word games; pretending as if there is a substantive difference between discussing t"new music" vs. a "new album."

Yes, there is a different. An album implies a record contract of some type. Putting up new music just means sticking your song on your website, or maybe YouTube and iTunes...Anybody can do that.

You claimed "I never said anything like that." Now you are attempting to add all sorts of BS hair-splitting conditions on that denial.

Even ignoring the fact that one of the comments (which you said didn't exist) is as recent as April 2020, why are older quotes off-limits?
Are you trying to hide the fact that you have been full of shit since time immemorial?

Since this version of Journey existed, I have not said they would never release new music. That is simply NOT TRUE. I have even questioned people who DID say that. That is the context of this thread and what we were talking about. You are going about pulling posts out of threads arguing about Walmart and Eclipse, and whatever from 2yrs ago..

[JourneyHard]

I am optimistic about the new Journey music also known as the new Journey album because Neal seems to be really digging it. That means it should be something I enjoy.

[Monker]

I am optimistic about the new Journey music also known as the new Journey album because Neal seems to be really digging it. That means it should be something I enjoy.

He says that about every new project he is on. I have an interview where he was in Hardline. He didn't even want to talk about Journey because Hardline was going to break into the big time soon and he was more focused on that then the past. Then huge string of things: Abraxas Pool, Journey, Soul SirkUS, JSS in Journey, Eclipse was going to be huge and have 'legs'. Now he is saying the same propaganda again. It is nothing different then what he has always done....and most of the time it is complete BS.

[Andrew]

Even ignoring the fact that one of the comments (which you said didn't exist) is as recent as April 2020, why are older quotes off-limits?
Are you trying to hide the fact that you have been full of shit since time immemorial?

You are just a full time twat these days, eh?

[Eric]

I am optimistic about the new Journey music also known as the new Journey album because Neal seems to be really digging it. That means it should be something I enjoy.

He says that about every new project he is on. I have an interview where he was in Hardline. He didn't even want to talk about Journey because Hardline was going to break into the big time soon and he was more focused on that then the past. Then huge string of things: Abraxas Pool, Journey, Soul SirkUS, JSS in Journey, Eclipse was going to be huge and have 'legs'. Now he is saying the same propaganda again. It is nothing different then what he has always done....and most of the time it is complete BS.

I don’t see it as “BS” or “Propaganda” that Schon gets excited about and promotes something new he is working on. I find it refreshing he doesn’t just collect a paycheck as a statue playing greatest hits. You don’t have to like it and it doesn’t have to become big for others to enjoy it. That first Hardline album is tremendous and many of find Eclipse to sound fresh each listen now nearly a decade later.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You do what you always do, take things completely out of context. Some of those are literally from YEARS ago. Others are taken out of context. All of them are about releasing a new album not just 'new music'. None of them were said after the new lineup was announced.

You do what you always do when caught red-handed lying your ass off, you play word games; pretending as if there is a substantive difference between discussing t"new music" vs. a "new album."

Yes, there is a different. An album implies a record contract of some type. Putting up new music just means sticking your song on your website, or maybe YouTube and iTunes...Anybody can do that.

You claimed "I never said anything like that." Now you are attempting to add all sorts of BS hair-splitting conditions on that denial.

Even ignoring the fact that one of the comments (which you said didn't exist) is as recent as April 2020, why are older quotes off-limits?
Are you trying to hide the fact that you have been full of shit since time immemorial?

Since this version of Journey existed, I have not said they would never release new music. That is simply NOT TRUE. I have even questioned people who DID say that. That is the context of this thread and what we were talking about. You are going about pulling posts out of threads arguing about Walmart and Eclipse, and whatever from 2yrs ago..

Just take the L, bro.

Both new music, in the form of a single, and a full album are on the way.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Even ignoring the fact that one of the comments (which you said didn't exist) is as recent as April 2020, why are older quotes off-limits?
Are you trying to hide the fact that you have been full of shit since time immemorial?

You are just a full time twat these days, eh?

Please keep your toxic hatred in the politics thread. This is a thread about a positive subject - new Journey music.

There's a very valid reason why Cain/Schon no longer take your calls.

[Andrew]

Please keep your toxic hatred in the politics thread. This is a thread about a positive subject - new Journey music.

There's a very valid reason why Cain/Schon no longer take your calls.

1. You are the only one espousing negativity here. You are one seriously dislikable person. And your hard-on for Monker is disturbing to say the least.

2. Why would anyone want to talk to/hear from Cain?

3. Neal sent me a nice message earlier this month. Fuck you.

[ebake02]

I am optimistic about the new Journey music also known as the new Journey album because Neal seems to be really digging it. That means it should be something I enjoy.

He says that about every new project he is on. I have an interview where he was in Hardline. He didn't even want to talk about Journey because Hardline was going to break into the big time soon and he was more focused on that then the past. Then huge string of things: Abraxas Pool, Journey, Soul SirkUS, JSS in Journey, Eclipse was going to be huge and have 'legs'. Now he is saying the same propaganda again. It is nothing different then what he has always done....and most of the time it is complete BS.

As happy as I am about new music, I agree with this 100%. Neal is like a bad infomercial, I like some of the music myself but he has zero sense of what people will buy and listen too and he always pushes it like it’s still 1981. There’s a reason the pre Perry stuff never did well, I can only imagine what Escape would been like if Neal would’ve been controlling things.

Hardline is a great example. Double Eclipse is one of my favorite albums but it was 5 years too late. It’s a great album but Neal was fucking high if he thought Hardline was going to hit it big at the same time grunge was taking over the world.

[Journey/Survivor]

I am optimistic about the new Journey music also known as the new Journey album because Neal seems to be really digging it. That means it should be something I enjoy.

He says that about every new project he is on. I have an interview where he was in Hardline. He didn't even want to talk about Journey because Hardline was going to break into the big time soon and he was more focused on that then the past. Then huge string of things: Abraxas Pool, Journey, Soul SirkUS, JSS in Journey, Eclipse was going to be huge and have 'legs'. Now he is saying the same propaganda again. It is nothing different then what he has always done....and most of the time it is complete BS.

As happy as I am about new music, I agree with this 100%. Neal is like a bad infomercial, I like some of the music myself but he has zero sense of what people will buy and listen too and he always pushes it like it’s still 1981. There’s a reason the pre Perry stuff never did well, I can only imagine what Escape would been like if Neal would’ve been controlling things.

Hardline is a great example. Double Eclipse is one of my favorite albums but it was 5 years too late. It’s a great album but Neal was fucking high if he thought Hardline was going to hit it big at the same time grunge was taking over the world.

Hardline's album came out about a year before Grunge totally took-over. Hardline had a couple of very minor hits, but by 93 Grunge completely took-over and a band like Hardline didn't have a chance of being hugely successful on the radio.

Like you said, they were 5 years too late. They may have been very successful had they debuted 4 or 5 years earlier.

[JourneyHard]

I am optimistic about the new Journey music also known as the new Journey album because Neal seems to be really digging it. That means it should be something I enjoy.

He says that about every new project he is on. I have an interview where he was in Hardline. He didn't even want to talk about Journey because Hardline was going to break into the big time soon and he was more focused on that then the past. Then huge string of things: Abraxas Pool, Journey, Soul SirkUS, JSS in Journey, Eclipse was going to be huge and have 'legs'. Now he is saying the same propaganda again. It is nothing different then what he has always done....and most of the time it is complete BS.

What do you want from Neal? Do you want him to say, "Oh man! This new Journey album is gonna really suck! WOW! It really blows!" ? Of course, Neal is excited about every new project he is in. He wouldn't get out of bed in the morning if he wasn't excited. You do have a point about Escape sucking if Neal was in charge, but it would have sucked if Perry was in charge or any of them. It was a team effort that make it the best Journey album ever. Neal wanted to shred at the end of Who's Cryin' Now, but Perry talked him out of it and the ending guitar solo is one of the best Journey has. Neal wanted no part of Open Arms, but that song reached number two for Journey. However, if Perry was in control, he would have cut the rockers that balanced out the album. So, the bottom line is Neal has every right to be excited. This is his life! When he stops being excited about new music, he needs to hang up the guitar.

[Monker]

I am optimistic about the new Journey music also known as the new Journey album because Neal seems to be really digging it. That means it should be something I enjoy.

He says that about every new project he is on. I have an interview where he was in Hardline. He didn't even want to talk about Journey because Hardline was going to break into the big time soon and he was more focused on that then the past. Then huge string of things: Abraxas Pool, Journey, Soul SirkUS, JSS in Journey, Eclipse was going to be huge and have 'legs'. Now he is saying the same propaganda again. It is nothing different then what he has always done....and most of the time it is complete BS.

What do you want from Neal? Do you want him to say, "Oh man! This new Journey album is gonna really suck! WOW! It really blows!" ? Of course, Neal is excited about every new project he is in. He wouldn't get out of bed in the morning if he wasn't excited. You do have a point about Escape sucking if Neal was in charge, but it would have sucked if Perry was in charge or any of them. It was a team effort that make it the best Journey album ever. Neal wanted to shred at the end of Who's Cryin' Now, but Perry talked him out of it and the ending guitar solo is one of the best Journey has. Neal wanted no part of Open Arms, but that song reached number two for Journey. However, if Perry was in control, he would have cut the rockers that balanced out the album. So, the bottom line is Neal has every right to be excited. This is his life! When he stops being excited about new music, he needs to hang up the guitar.

Sure, be excited. That's not what I'm saying. What I am "complaining" about is that EVERY new project his is on is the best thing ever, and is going to take over the world, and blah, blah, blah. It's not that way. You can be excited and looking forward to something being heard by the public without taking it so far. And, he's the only one really acting like this. It seems the other members of this band don't really talk much about it. In the end, there is something to be said for letting music speak for itself...because that is the voice that is really going to matter.

[Onestepper]

Sure, be excited. That's not what I'm saying. What I am "complaining" about is that EVERY new project his is on is the best thing ever, and is going to take over the world, and blah, blah, blah. It's not that way. You can be excited and looking forward to something being heard by the public without taking it so far. And, he's the only one really acting like this. It seems the other members of this band don't really talk much about it. In the end, there is something to be said for letting music speak for itself...because that is the voice that is really going to matter.

Of all the things to be upset over. He gets too excited, and talks his projects up too much. Yeah, like no artist has ever been accused of over hype. Half the time these guys are accused of just mailing it in year after year. Now, he's talking too much.

There's a saying for that. I'll leave it right here for you to figure out.

[Monker]

Sure, be excited. That's not what I'm saying. What I am "complaining" about is that EVERY new project his is on is the best thing ever, and is going to take over the world, and blah, blah, blah. It's not that way. You can be excited and looking forward to something being heard by the public without taking it so far. And, he's the only one really acting like this. It seems the other members of this band don't really talk much about it. In the end, there is something to be said for letting music speak for itself...because that is the voice that is really going to matter.

Of all the things to be upset over. He gets too excited, and talks his projects up too much. Yeah, like no artist has ever been accused of over hype. Half the time these guys are accused of just mailing it in year after year. Now, he's talking too much.

There's a saying for that. I'll leave it right here for you to figure out.

I'm not 'upset'. Neal simply repeats the same lines over and over again. I don't have an issue with anybody being 'excited' about their latest project. Neal just blows it out of proportion and it is hard for me to believe much of what he says any longer because of it.

[ebake02]

Sure, be excited. That's not what I'm saying. What I am "complaining" about is that EVERY new project his is on is the best thing ever, and is going to take over the world, and blah, blah, blah. It's not that way. You can be excited and looking forward to something being heard by the public without taking it so far. And, he's the only one really acting like this. It seems the other members of this band don't really talk much about it. In the end, there is something to be said for letting music speak for itself...because that is the voice that is really going to matter.

Of all the things to be upset over. He gets too excited, and talks his projects up too much. Yeah, like no artist has ever been accused of over hype. Half the time these guys are accused of just mailing it in year after year. Now, he's talking too much.

There's a saying for that. I'll leave it right here for you to figure out.

I'm not 'upset'. Neal simply repeats the same lines over and over again. I don't have an issue with anybody being 'excited' about their latest project. Neal just blows it out of proportion and it is hard for me to believe much of what he says any longer because of it.

I remember Neal saying the Generations was going to be a hit record too. There were three or four really good songs but it was one of their weakest efforts and it barely cracked the charts.

[Art Vandelay]

Sure, be excited. That's not what I'm saying. What I am "complaining" about is that EVERY new project his is on is the best thing ever, and is going to take over the world, and blah, blah, blah. It's not that way. You can be excited and looking forward to something being heard by the public without taking it so far. And, he's the only one really acting like this. It seems the other members of this band don't really talk much about it. In the end, there is something to be said for letting music speak for itself...because that is the voice that is really going to matter.

Of all the things to be upset over. He gets too excited, and talks his projects up too much. Yeah, like no artist has ever been accused of over hype. Half the time these guys are accused of just mailing it in year after year. Now, he's talking too much.

There's a saying for that. I'll leave it right here for you to figure out.

I'm not 'upset'. Neal simply repeats the same lines over and over again. I don't have an issue with anybody being 'excited' about their latest project. Neal just blows it out of proportion and it is hard for me to believe much of what he says any longer because of it.

My thoughts are that Neal deep down always wanted to be recognized in the music industry for being himself...Neal Schon, a guitar virtuoso. Not that he isn't that at all, but his name is always associated with Journey. I think he wanted to be known more than just Neal Schon of Journey. That's why every time a solo project, new band or collaboration would come up, he would talk the hell out of it. Always has. But Journey has been the safety net for him, and he would always end up back in that safety net. That's why he wanted to do more with Journey...but Journey dictates what Journey is. That's why the tours are filled with the dirty dozen. His life is music and wanting to evolve with it. Everything revolves around it. That's why I believe the 'cup of coffee' never happened. He immediately spun it into working with Steve. Hell, he even went that route after it was announced that Narada was the new drummer. He mentioned having Steve sit in on a session. Why go there?!?!? That's Neal. He lives and breathes music, so everything to him has the potential of being something amazing. I admire that of him...but yeah, it does lead to his severe case of diarrhea of the mouth.

[JourneyHard]

Remember when Steve Perry stopped being excited by music. He took twenty years off. Now, he is excited about music again.

Speaking about Hardline's Double Eclipse album coming out five years too late, Journey's Raised on Radio should have been a hard rock album instead. The original plan was for Journey to release Freedom which probably would have rocked just as much as Escape and Frontiers. But Steve Perry took control and put out an R&B album during the heyday of Hard Rock.

Then again, in the 1990's, during the Grunge era, hard rock was still alive. Metallica and Scorpions and Gun N Roses and Ozzy and more were still rocking and touring. Didn't they have the Monsters of Rock Tour in the 1990's? Hardline could have exploded. But they didn't put one of their harder rocking songs into the movie. Instead, they picked a more melodic song. What were these guys thinking?

[Pacfanweb]

Remember when Steve Perry stopped being excited by music. He took twenty years off. Now, he is excited about music again.

Speaking about Hardline's Double Eclipse album coming out five years too late, Journey's Raised on Radio should have been a hard rock album instead. The original plan was for Journey to release Freedom which probably would have rocked just as much as Escape and Frontiers. But Steve Perry took control and put out an R&B album during the heyday of Hard Rock.

Then again, in the 1990's, during the Grunge era, hard rock was still alive. Metallica and Scorpions and Gun N Roses and Ozzy and more were still rocking and touring. Didn't they have the Monsters of Rock Tour in the 1990's? Hardline could have exploded. But they didn't put one of their harder rocking songs into the movie. Instead, they picked a more melodic song. What were these guys thinking?

All those bands were already established by the time grunge hit. I think the point was, the record companies weren't really looking for more traditional hard rock acts at that point. But yeah, the ones that were already big, certainly continued being big.
Monsters of Rock was 88. Van Halen was big until Eddie kicked Sammy out in 96. Aerosmith has sold out and was killing it with their Desmond Child ballads. GnR was on what was really their first really big headlining tour after Appetite blew up in 88 and they took some time off to make the UYI records.

But I don't remember much excitement for any new bands like those at the time.

[The_Noble_Cause]

1. You are the only one espousing negativity here. You are one seriously dislikable person. And your hard-on for Monker is disturbing to say the least.

2. Why would anyone want to talk to/hear from Cain?

3. Neal sent me a nice message earlier this month. Fuck you.

Like I said before, I really hope you can find peace for whatever issues you are clearly wrestling with. This site used to be known for breaking Journey news. These days you are preoccupied with calling Cain's wife misogynistic names and pretending to be a MSNBC pundit. Its up to the fans to carry on in the old MR ways.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I remember Neal saying the Generations was going to be a hit record too. There were three or four really good songs but it was one of their weakest efforts and it barely cracked the charts.

Well, yes, concert CD giveaways originally counted on the Billboard chart. By the time Journey tried that with Generations, the rules had changed. When the album finally found a home on the now defunct Sanctuary records, I think most - including Neal - realized it was DOA.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Hell, he even went that route after it was announced that Narada was the new drummer. He mentioned having Steve sit in on a session. Why go there?!?!?

Not accurate.

Neal was specifically asked about Steve Perry by Eddie Trunk during an interview.

Neal reiterated that his door was always open and suggested coffee or checking out what him and Narada are up to in the studio.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpxlgeyLF0Y

[hgwy407]

1. You are the only one espousing negativity here. You are one seriously dislikable person. And your hard-on for Monker is disturbing to say the least.

2. Why would anyone want to talk to/hear from Cain?

3. Neal sent me a nice message earlier this month. Fuck you.

Like I said before, I really hope you can find peace for whatever issues you are clearly wrestling with. This site used to be known for breaking Journey news. These days you are preoccupied with calling Cain's wife misogynistic names and pretending to be a MSNBC pundit. Its up to the fans to carry on in the old MR ways.

If he is doing any of that, he is clearly clueless and you shouldn't mind him anyway....

[Andrew]

If he is doing any of that, he is clearly clueless and you shouldn't mind him anyway....

- There are no issues beyond TNC evolving into a troll who has nothing to add or say and just enjoys arguing for the sake of it.

- I'm perfectly happy, despite TNCs attempt to paint me otherwise. I just strongly disagree with his opinion that Trump is awesome and sunshine pours from his ass.
If you disagree with an overtly opinionated person, the stock standard response is to make it all about you rather than their own issues. Quite sad really.

[Journey/Survivor]

I'm just checking. Have there really not been any new posts in the Journey forum since last Sunday, or is there an issue because of the server change?

[Monker]

I'm just checking. Have there really not been any new posts in the Journey forum since last Sunday, or is there an issue because of the server change?

There were, I read some...they seem to be deleted due to the server change. But, honestly, they were pretty irrelevant.

[Andrew]

I'm just checking. Have there really not been any new posts in the Journey forum since last Sunday, or is there an issue because of the server change?

Things should be back to normal...I hope.

[jrnyman28]

Hate to say it, but looks like it might take a miracle to get new Journey music in the next 7 days....

[Monker]

Hate to say it, but looks like it might take a miracle to get new Journey music in the next 7 days....

A few days ago there was a message that floated by on Facebook where Neal said they were done recording it. But, I don't see how they will have any meaningful release for a 'single' at this point. Maybe an MP3 download from somewhere, or a YouTube video...at some point.

And, what's the real point of releasing a single when any full album is a long time coming? Doesn't seem to have any business sense at all.

[ebake02]

Hate to say it, but looks like it might take a miracle to get new Journey music in the next 7 days....

A few days ago there was a message that floated by on Facebook where Neal said they were done recording it. But, I don't see how they will have any meaningful release for a 'single' at this point. Maybe an MP3 download from somewhere, or a YouTube video...at some point.

And, what's the real point of releasing a single when any full album is a long time coming? Doesn't seem to have any business sense at all.

You would think that they would at least throw everybody a bone at this point and release a short preview of something. You can only just talk about it for so long until people lose interest and stop caring.

[SoonerThunder]

“Well...we’re waiting”

-Judge Smails