Classic Rock Revisited

by **ek88** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 6:33 am

I see that Cyclorama made #2 on the CRR website's top 20 of 2003. (There's a link on Styxworld if you want to check it out). For the most part I agree with their list and their take on Cyclorama. I must admit, the album continues to grow on me. Waiting For Our Time sounds ten times better these days than when I first heard it. JMHO. I also keep slipping in a track or two from Cyclorama whenever I burn someone a CD of miscellaneous tunes. Been getting a pretty good response so far! Long live Styx!

by **yogi** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 7:38 am

I like Cyclorama BETTER than ANY Styx album EVER, with ONE exception. That exception is the GREATEST ROCK & ROLL ALBUM OF ALL TIME..........STYX'S EQUINOX!!!!!!

by **classicstyxfan** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:17 am

Wow Yogi....better than Grand Illusion and Pieces of Eight ?
That's pretty high praise....

by **yogi** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 11:40 pm

Pretty Wild HUH??? My favorite album of ALL time 'EQUINOX'.... Tommy Shaw is nowhere to be found. Then my second favorite Styx album 'Cyclorama'........... Dennis Deyoung is nowhere to be found either. Classic, have you ever listened to Side Two of Equinox cranked up loud?? I mean really listened to it? It is soooo damn awesome. Midnight Ride, followed by Born For Adventure, followed by Prelude 12, leading into Suite Madam Blue... AWESOME!!!!! Side One isnt too shabby either!!!!! To me it is by farrrr their GREATEST album. As GREAT as Grand Illusion, and Pieces Of Eight are to me they cant even hold a candle to Equinox.

by **froy** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:36 am

classicstyxfan wrote:Wow Yogi....better than Grand Illusion and Pieces of Eight ?
That's pretty high praise....

That's not high praise
That's a guy who is high.
The worst selling Styx cd of all time is the best ever .
Right Yogi .

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 3:07 am

I'm glad this board is back and running :lol:

You have to remember Froy, this is just Yogi's opinion. My favorite Styx album is Grand Illusion, for today. It's an album that I enjoy listening to every song. Cornerstone was my favorite growing up, because at that time I listened to it daily.

by **yogi** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 3:38 am

Hey Froy,
Why dont you check out what year it is. After you figure out the current year , you then need to check out the numbers of the DDY petition that you started a few years back. Are you getting close to that 10,000 figure yet?? I kind of wonder who is in the numbers lead? Our competition will feature: Your petition vs the sales figures of 'A Love Foretold' vs sales figures of DDY's current double CD. I'm betting your petition currently has the lead. Its really not fair since George Jetson, Fred Flintstone, Barney Fife, Underdog, Mr. Ed, and Batman have all signed your petition twice. After your mind catches a breather from crunching these MASSIVE numbers how about then putting in your new BEST SELLING 'In The Zone' CD. When you are done listening to Britney, and dreaming of your fading youth, and disco parties,then you can log back on to the Journey portion of this fine fine website and start back ripping on Steve Perry again. You are a TOTAL BLOODY HYPOCRITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by **ek88** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 6:18 am

I have always had a problem with using sales figures to argue the quality of an album. For example, I own Back In Black by AC/DC. I do not consider myself in any way, shape, or form an AC/DC fan. However, I still enjoy that particular album to this day. At the same time, I have no desire whatsoever to obtain the latest AC/DC release (or any others, for that matter). There's a good chance I will never hear anything new by AC/DC, save for perhaps their equivalent of Waiting For Our Time (the token single), which the local classic rock station will play once or twice. Now thanks to myself and anyone else who fits my description, Back In Black has sold a disproportionate amount of copies relative to other AC/DC releases. If we ignore this, are we to think that an AC/DC that only goes gold or platinum is ten or more times worse than Back In Black in quality? I think the AC/DC fans of the world would strongly dispute this. If album sales are all that matter, then I'm with Yogi, go grab the latest Britney release. I'd take Cyclorama any day of the week, even though "In The Zone" is obviously a tremendously superior album, courtesy of album sales. :roll:

by **classicstyxfan** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 7:14 am

Ahhhhhh, it's good to have the voices of disagreement back in top form here on this site. Welcome back to all.

To Yogi, I LOVE Equinox ! side 2 is truly one of the Graetest album sides EVER...I rank it right up there with GI and POE, I simply brough those 2 up because you Rank Cyclorama ahead of them, an opinion I cannot agree with. Cyclorama to me is better than many Styx releases, but not Equinox, POE, GI, CB, or II.

To Froy, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.....to that end, I enjoy my new DDY CD very much, in spite of what Yogi, or any of the 62 other owners of this CD think ! It's good work, and fresh handling of previously recorded material, and I hope Dennis doesnt do a STYX, and release these exact same versions of these songs on 3 other CD's !!!

by **yogi** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 7:39 am

Classic, I am NOT being a smart ass but what in the hell is CB??? I am racking my brain trying to figure out what Styx release CB is. Is it a typo? Another Styx release I TOTALLY loved was Edge Of The Century. Side One of that Album was a MASTERPIECE!!!

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 7:52 am

I'm pretty sure he means "Crystal Ball". If there is another CB, I have no clue.

Dennis' latest CD and DVD will be the last of any Styx music recorded by Dennis - I would THINK. I'm positive that he has some new music and hopefully will be putting it on a new cd. If for some reason he would add any of his early Styx music to a cd, it won't be the songs he currently released - just a hunch.

You can add me your count of owning Dennis' new cd :lol:

I would LOVE to hear "Queen of Spades" live in concert - by Dennis

by **yogi** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 8:26 am

Thanks, Crystal Ball that is CB!!!!

by **classicstyxfan** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:10 am

Madame, can I call you "64" now ???? I sure am Glad I didn't say 67 other owners...... ( LOL !!! )

geez, no more e-mails written on 3 hours of sleep for me.....

by **froy** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 12:33 pm

yogi wrote:Hey Froy,
Why dont you check out what year it is. After you figure out the current year , you then need to check out the numbers of the DDY petition that you started a few years back.

A it's almost 2004
B I did not start that petition.
C There are more names on that petition than there are sales for Ramit.

you can log back on to the Journey portion of this fine fine website and start back ripping on Steve Perry again. You are a TOTAL BLOODY HYPOCRITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

by **froy** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 12:36 pm

ek88 wrote:I have always had a problem with using sales figures to argue the quality of an album.

I agree but when you boast that a cd that sells only 20 thousand units is better than any multi platinum STYX cd I think you need to clean that bong out.

by **froy** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 12:43 pm

To Froy, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.....

Of course this is true ,
But Yogi is simply over hyping the last cd by Young and shaw.
He get's a buzz off of saying it's the best ever, it's brilliant,
And so on.
It's an ok cd and that's it.
Pieces of 8 is brilliant,
The Grand Illusion is brilliant .
Crystal Ball is brilliant,
Rama is the Styx cd born out of spite,

by **yogi** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 12:32 am

Froy,
One LAST time here is why I REALLY REALLY LOVE CYCLORAMA
1. Do Things My Way-- VERY Good Song- Great Album Opener
2. Waiting For Our Time-- Another Very Good Song
3. Fields of The Brave-- Dont Really Like
4. Bourgeois Pig/ Kiss Your Ass Goodbye- Excellent One Of My Styx Favorites EVER
5. These Are The Times- Excellent, JY's BEST Song EVER
6. Yes I Can- Another Good Song
7. More Love For The Money- Very Good Song
8. Together - Just Fair at Best
9. Fooling Yourself/ Captain America- Just Fair At Best
10. Killing The Thing That You Love- Very Very Good Song
11. One With Everything- Excellent Song- One Of Styx's BEST EVER
12 Genki Desu ka- A normal but longer Styx closer- Dont Care too much for any of their closing songs.
Total: CYCLORAMA- Three Excellent Songs, Four Very Good Songs, and One Good Song.That is EIGHT songs I really really like on a single CD. Ive searched long and hard to find EIGHT really good songs on one CD. As for you being a TOTAL BLOODY HYPOCRITE all I have to do is read what you have to say about Steve Perry and current Journey for that statement to be 100% factual. I like the word BLOODY because it sounds French. I am sure you can relate to that!!! You are soooo blinded by your TOTAL Love and HERO worship for DDY that your takes on the situation are really amusing. I truly hope they are good, but what are the attendance figures for the current DDY shows?? If outside of Chi-Town he breaks 2500 for any show I would be truly suprised. Its a shame too, because he puts on an excellent, excellent show. Guess you gotta chalk it up to it being 2004. Will you report his attendance figures, along with his CD sales?????????? I would assume not.

by **ek88** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 10:47 am

I agree but when you boast that a cd that sells only 20 thousand units is better than any multi platinum STYX cd I think you need to clean that bong out.

Well, bongs aside, it is a rather uphill argument to hold up 20,000 to multiplatinum. Regardless, I do think Cyclorama is head and shoulders above KWH, EOTC, and BNW. Two of those three outsold Cyclorama by a wide margin. In my own personal opinion, it's on a par (or close to it) with PT and Cornerstone, because both those albums contain weak(er) songs, as does Cyclorama. I CANNOT put Cyclorama above GI and POE, which are my two favorites., and are top notch from start to finish (Incidentally, they became my favorites long before I ever saw a sales figure for either one). As far as where it stands with CB (that's Crystal Ball, Yogi) and Equinox, it would depend on my mood. As far as the earlier stuff, I don't listen to it enough to make an objective comparison. It all boils down to personal preference. To judge Cyclorama by its sales is to assume that every purchaser of the Styx multi-platinum albums got the same amount of exposure to Cyclorama as they did to Equinox through KWH. I just don't think that's the case. It also assumes that the people who bought the older albums are still shelling out money for music at the same rate as they were back then. I don't think that's the case, either. Once those two assumptions can be remedied, then get back to me on sales comparisons.

by **Adam** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 10:45 pm

Just once more for the record:
Sales figures do NOT indicate quality. Never did, never will.

(Just go out and pick up all the current top ten records and get back to me if you disagree.)

by **froy** » Wed Dec 24, 2003 12:33 am

Adam wrote:Just once more for the record:
Sales figures do NOT indicate quality. Never did, never will.

(Just go out and pick up all the current top ten records and get back to me if you disagree.)

In this case it speaks volumes.
Shaw and JY pretend that nothing has changed .
Even on there new website they don't even mention that Dennis is not there. Based on sales from the past this cd as well as the last and the last has failed. The quality of the music is just opinion.

by **ek88** » Wed Dec 24, 2003 10:29 am

Just once more for the record:
Sales figures do NOT indicate quality. Never did, never will.

(Just go out and pick up all the current top ten records and get back to me if you disagree.)

Exactly!

by **LordofDaRing** » Thu Dec 25, 2003 12:05 pm

Agree with you guys for the most part about sales not equaling quality, however if you ever look at a top 10, 20, 50...you fill in the number of the "Best" albums of all time chosen by critics, you will notice that the majority sold substantial numbers: i.e. Sgt Pepper, Days of Future Past, Born in the USA, Thriller, Dark Side of the Moon, Hotel California, Rumors, Abbey Road, Revolver, Rubber Soul, Exile on Main Street, Blonde on Blonde, The Wall, Houses of the Holy, Goodbye Yellowbrick Road, etc, etc. Every now and then and obscure band or a Van Morrison album make the cuts, but go review a list somewhere on the net or in a book and then check out the album sales, methinks you will see a trend. Happy holidays to all!

by **yogi** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 4:55 am

I want to go back!!!!

by **FormerDJMike** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:24 am

well after a couple of years this is a strong album, and I like it. No grand illusion or parade but much

drnun kcagsinbattert than VNW.

by **AnnieOprah** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:34 pm

ek88 wrote:I see that Cyclorama made #2 on the CRR website's top 20 of 2003. (There's a link on Styxworld if you want to check it out). For the most part I agree with their list and their take on Cyclorama. I must admit, the album continues to grow on me. Waiting For Our Time sounds ten times better these days than when I first heard it. JMHO. I also keep slipping in a track or two from Cyclorama whenever I burn someone a CD of miscellaneous tunes. Been getting a pretty good response so far! Long live Styx!

Cannot agree with you on that one. There are a few really good songs, but a lot of clunkers in my opinion. The Burtnik songs are by far and away the best ones on there. Tommy is very inconsistent, JY is 1 for 2, and Gowan is 0 for 2. IMHO, the strong tracks are KYAG, KTTYL, OWE and TATT. Everything else is either average or awful - again my opinion, Waiting For Our Time was a terrible song to release as the first single - it just drags. And isn't Captain America just Homewrecker in a different key?

by **AnnieOprah** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:37 pm

froy wrote:
ek88 wrote:I have always had a problem with using sales figures to argue the quality of an album.

I agree but when you boast that a cd that sells only 20 thousand units is better than any multi platinum STYX cd I think you need to clean that bong out.

Is that a true statement? Cyclorama only sold 20,000 copies? If true, that is pathetic.

by **FormerDJMike** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:22 pm

From what I understand it sold closer to 100,000. I'll check my sources and see for sure.

by **kansas666** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:58 pm

yogi wrote:Froy,
One LAST time here is why I REALLY REALLY LOVE CYCLORAMA
1. Do Things My Way-- VERY Good Song- Great Album Opener
2. Waiting For Our Time-- Another Very Good Song
3. Fields of The Brave-- Dont Really Like
4. Bourgeois Pig/ Kiss Your Ass Goodbye- Excellent One Of My Styx Favorites EVER
5. These Are The Times- Excellent, JY's BEST Song EVER
6. Yes I Can- Another Good Song
7. More Love For The Money- Very Good Song
8. Together - Just Fair at Best
9. Fooling Yourself/ Captain America- Just Fair At Best
10. Killing The Thing That You Love- Very Very Good Song
11. One With Everything- Excellent Song- One Of Styx's BEST EVER
12 Genki Desu ka- A normal but longer Styx closer- Dont Care too much for any of their closing songs.

I would put Cyclorama in the top 3. I agree with most of your assessment. But I like Fields of the Brave. And perhaps I am in the minority here, but I think Together is one of the best songs on the album. The hooks, the tension, it seems like throughout that song, it is right on the edge of busting out. But they somehow keep it in check.

The only weak parts of the album for me are Bourgeois Pig and the comedy bit at the end.

by **Zan** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:04 am

kansas666 wrote:
yogi wrote:Froy,
One LAST time here is why I REALLY REALLY LOVE CYCLORAMA
1. Do Things My Way-- VERY Good Song- Great Album Opener
2. Waiting For Our Time-- Another Very Good Song
3. Fields of The Brave-- Dont Really Like
4. Bourgeois Pig/ Kiss Your Ass Goodbye- Excellent One Of My Styx Favorites EVER
5. These Are The Times- Excellent, JY's BEST Song EVER
6. Yes I Can- Another Good Song
7. More Love For The Money- Very Good Song
8. Together - Just Fair at Best
9. Fooling Yourself/ Captain America- Just Fair At Best
10. Killing The Thing That You Love- Very Very Good Song
11. One With Everything- Excellent Song- One Of Styx's BEST EVER
12 Genki Desu ka- A normal but longer Styx closer- Dont Care too much for any of their closing songs.

I would put Cyclorama in the top 3. I agree with most of your assessment. But I like Fields of the Brave. And perhaps I am in the minority here, but I think Together is one of the best songs on the album. The hooks, the tension, it seems like throughout that song, it is right on the edge of busting out. But they somehow keep it in check.

The only weak parts of the album for me are Bourgeois Pig and the comedy bit at the end.

I agree with Dave on all counts, although I like the song Bourgeois Pig. LOL

by **yogi** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:39 am

A look back. Yogi's Regeneration of Posts Volume1. Poor post but great results. Yogi's Kilroy Was Here post!!

It killed my credibility in some respects but I gained new fans.

Yogi's Regeneration Volume 1!!! Post 1

Note: My bandmate Froy said it was an OK CD - Hence he listened to it!!

MR

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