Back To Chicago

by **froy** » Mon Feb 09, 2004 12:34 am

What a wonderful evening it was Saturday night at the Rosemont Theater.
Dennis put on a fantastic show.
And there was a huge surprise,

For years I could not understand how Dennis left this song out of the show especially in his home town.
On Saturday night he added it as the show opener.

After the Overture Dennis walked on stage suitcase in hand singing,

I was waiting all alone last night as the cancelled all remaining flights.
Yes he opened the show with BACK TO CHICAGO
I was stunned .

Did Dennis read my posts asking him to sing this great Styx tune?
Who cares it was a dream come true to hear that one live.

The other great thing about the show was the guy who filled in for Mike Eldred
This guy has a voice just like Dennis and when he sang
Ave Maria , Esmerelda and With Every Heartbeat I had the chills.
The guy was sterling better than Eldred.

A strange thing happened before the show,
My wife and I went to dinner at a place called Walters in Park Ridge
As I walked into the bathroom I noticed a hand written sign above the paper towls it had the words Kilroy Was Here on it.
How wierd is that?

That's 2 unbelivable things that happened last night.

Dennis was struggling all night with a cold but he still pulled off the show .
The only downer was Madame Blue was cut.

Here's the setlist

Overture
Back To Chicago
Grand Illusion
Lady
Desert Moon
( Mozart Intro) Lorelie
Ave Maria
Castle Walls
Who Will Love This Child
Rockin The Paradise
(Debussy Intro Claire D Lune) Don't Let It End

Light Up
Mr Roboto
Black Wall
Hello God ( Orchestra Tacet)
Esmerelda
Heartbeat
Suite Madame Blue CUT
Babe
Best of Times

Come Sail Away

One more thing in the early part of the show Dennis mentioned the where Styx began story and someone yelled out
YOU ARE STYX DENNIS and the place went nuts .
Very moving I must say.

Maybe next Dennis could try
Pieces of 8
Why Me
Father
This Old Man.
Born For Adventure

The 2 stupids are missing out on having a real Styx band that's all Im going to say.

by **ek88** » Mon Feb 09, 2004 7:16 am

The 2 stupids are missing out on having a real Styx band that's all Im going to say.

Well, you know, I was thinking the other day after the Super Bowl halftime fiasco, that a terrific opportunity has presented itself, both for the NFL and the real Styx. Wouldn't it be a great idea if the NFL approached DDY and pseudo-Styx about reuniting and playing next year's halftime show? Think about it. It's far enough in the future for both parties to complete their scheduled performances, and to get to work on reconciliation! The national exposure would be great for the real Styx and could serve to kick off a reunion tour. The NFL stands to gain, as well. They certainly wouldn't have to worry about any childish stunts from our beloved fifty-somethings. And in my own personal opinion, Styx (the classic lineup) would appeal to a wider range of NFL fans than some of the younger musicians. What does everyone think? Before you laugh, remember, dreams do come true!

by **kiddo** » Mon Feb 09, 2004 10:08 am

>>>Wouldn't it be a great idea if the NFL approached DDY and pseudo-Styx about reuniting and playing next year's halftime show? Think about it. It's far enough in the future for both parties to complete their scheduled performances, and to get to work on reconciliation!<<<

Dennis and Styx are history. We can't change it nor should we.
Besides, Dennis is not relying on his former band to get his music out to the people.
They on the other hand, can't do a set without including the songs he wrote that made them successful.

kiddo

by **LordofDaRing** » Mon Feb 09, 2004 1:56 pm

Actually I have been checking out that new show on VH1 that reunites bands from the 80s....of course there is a STYX band now, but of course the new twist on the show would be a Dennis/STYX reunion....judging by some of the bands that they have tried to reunite like Flock of Seagulls, I don't think VH1 would be hurting. Ha, can you believe the Extreme gutarist was the one who stopped their reunion on the show?

by **froy** » Mon Feb 09, 2004 11:57 pm

ek88 wrote:
The 2 stupids are missing out on having a real Styx band that's all Im going to say.

What does everyone think? Before you laugh, remember, dreams do come true!

I think if everyone just keeps staying away from Shaw and Young -Styx version 3 than they will get the hint .
As you can see they need the triple bill to sell tickets.
They are hiding behind every big name act to sell tickets ,
No matter how great the bill sounds just don't buy into it.
Or if you must go leave when part 3 comes on,
They will get the hint .

by **yogi** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 1:34 am

But make sure you fly clear across the country to see Journey type??. Yo hypocrite, your logic makes ABSOLUTELY NO sense. Your a TYPE 1 Dennis Deyoung lover. You were NEVER truly a Styx fan just a DDY fan, and DDY happened to be the co founder , and LEAD voice of MANY MANY Styx classics. If you had the same BLIND devotion to Steve Perry we would be reading the same crap from you from over on their board. What are some of the names over there Perryfaithful, Pro Perry, Oh Sherrie. You could change your to name over here to Dennisfaithful, Oh Yoko, whatever your blind love for Dennis tells you to do. Your argument stinks, and it stinks even mooore since you are such a big supporter of Journey#5 or whatever the hell they are now!!!!

by **sadie65** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 2:08 am

I think it would be a safe bet that a reunion would not happen between these men. And I think that's probably for the best. Dennis is doing quite well on his own, and the band is free to pursue whatever endeavors they wish to.

I was fortunate to see Dennis this weekend in Chicago and he was great. Loved hearing Back to Chicago in my hometown, and judging by the reaction of the crowd, they loved it as well.

You know, life is too short to keep reading posts from someone who thinks they are being funny all the time when making taking shots at people. It gets old really quick.

Sadie

by **froy** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 2:13 am

[quote="yogi"]But make sure you fly clear across the country to see Journey

I flew across the country to see Styx in 96
And then drove 8 hours in 1 day to see them in SanDiego .
I also flew to SanDiego to see Neil Diamond in 91
You see when I like a quality act I support them and go see there shows.
I saw Styx in 96- 10 times and Neil Diamond in 91 -12 times .

Yo hypocrite,

What's up ignoramous

your logic makes ABSOLUTELY NO sense.

That's because your senseless.

Your a TYPE 1 Dennis Deyoung lover.

Fact is I have seen Dennis with and without Styx 50 times .
He's the man
Your not.

You were NEVER truly a Styx fan just a DDY fan,

Im not a Styx fan now because there is no Styx band they sold out.
If Dennis comes back to Styx Im a Styx fan again.

If you had the same BLIND devotion to Steve Perry we would be reading the same crap from you from over on their board.

Not the same situation is it .

You could change your to name over here to Dennisfaithful,

And you can change over here to idiot .

Your argument stinks,

What argument ?

by **yogi** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:09 am

To Quote A GREAT GREAT singer(Gowa oops I mean Dennis Deyoung), Carry On... Type 1's!!! You GOT to life is too short!.. He's The Man, Your Not, What the hell does that mean???? I am glad you have seen Dennis and Dennis with Styx 50 times. Your TOTAL devotion toward him TOTALLY proves MY point!! How you can say the situations between Journey and Styx ( Dennis & Steve), are different is laughable. Read their post EXACT same arguments only the names are different. The funny thing is Mr. Froy is on the OPPOSITE side of the argument over there. HYPOCRITE!!!! Rock On Type 1's. I know Dennis put on a GREAT GREAT show in Chi Town as he ALWAYS does. I am hoping to see him AGAIN soon.... but I know it wont be with him and Styx. Neil Diamond??? whooo?? To quote another GREAT singer Life is GOOD!!!!!!

by **Monker** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 5:28 am

Overture
Back To Chicago
Grand Illusion
Lady
Desert Moon
( Mozart Intro) Lorelie
Ave Maria
Castle Walls
Who Will Love This Child
Rockin The Paradise
(Debussy Intro Claire D Lune) Don't Let It End

Light Up
Mr Roboto
Black Wall
Hello God ( Orchestra Tacet)
Esmerelda
Heartbeat
Suite Madame Blue CUT
Babe
Best of Times

Come Sail Away

Interesting set. Wonder how much it will change before he gets to Des Moines in a few weeks? I guess I can deal with the new'ish songs if he spreads them out a bit. I'm looking forward to seeing this.

And, yes Froy, your attitude towards Dennis and Styx is EXACTLY like some Perry fans attitude towards Perry and Journey. Same words, different names.

by **Monker** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 5:35 am

froy wrote:I flew across the country to see Journeyin 86
And then drove 8 hours in 1 day to see them in San Francisco.
I also flew to New York to see Steve Perry in 94
You see when I like a quality act I support them and go see there shows.
I saw Journey in 86- 10 times and Steve Perry in 94 -12 times .

Fact is I have seen Perry with and without Journey 50 times .
He's the man
Your not.

Im not a Journey fan now because there is no Journey they sold out.
If Perry comes back to Journey Im a Journey fan again.

You Perryhead!

by **froy** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:40 am

yogi wrote:To Quote A GREAT GREAT singer(Gowa oops I mean Dennis Deyoung), Carry On... Type 1's!!! You GOT to life is too short!.. He's The Man, Your Not, What the hell does that mean???? I am glad you have seen Dennis and Dennis with Styx 50 times. Your TOTAL devotion toward him TOTALLY proves MY point!! How you can say the situations between Journey and Styx ( Dennis & Steve), are different is laughable. Read their post EXACT same arguments only the names are different. The funny thing is Mr. Froy is on the OPPOSITE side of the argument over there. HYPOCRITE!!!! Rock On Type 1's. I know Dennis put on a GREAT GREAT show in Chi Town as he ALWAYS does. I am hoping to see him AGAIN soon.... but I know it wont be with him and Styx. Neil Diamond??? whooo?? To quote another GREAT singer Life is GOOD!!!!!!

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by **froy** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:44 am

Interesting set. Wonder how much it will change before he gets to Des Moines in a few weeks?

I hope it doesn't
If anything Back To Chicago will be dropped and Show Me The way would replace it.
The best parts of the show were the new songs .
With Every Heartbeat is just stunning .
Wait and see .

I guess I can deal with the new'ish songs if he spreads them out a bit. I'm looking forward to seeing this.

It's a great classy show .

And, yes Froy, your attitude towards Dennis and Styx is EXACTLY like some Perry fans attitude towards Perry and Journey.

The only thing is the 2 situations are not even close to being the same.
How many shows has Perry done compared to Dennis ?
Answer 0

Same words, different names.[/quote]

Different situation.

by **froy** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:47 am

Monker wrote:
froy wrote:I flew across the country to see Journeyin 86
And then drove 8 hours in 1 day to see them in San Francisco.
I also flew to New York to see Steve Perry in 94
You see when I like a quality act I support them and go see there shows.
I saw Journey in 86- 10 times and Steve Perry in 94 -12 times .

Fact is I have seen Perry with and without Journey 50 times .
He's the man
Your not.

Im not a Journey fan now because there is no Journey they sold out.
If Perry comes back to Journey Im a Journey fan again.

You Perryhead!

You dickhead

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 9:58 am

Come on guys, enough with the name calling. Let's all be friendly and have a good time on here :lol:

A few years ago, I would give anything to have a Styx reunion. But it's never going to happen. Dennis is doing great on his own

I don't know if you all check, but he has been getting great reviews. I'm sure he'll be mixing up the set list for a couple of shows. You never know what might be added. When I first heard "Castle Walls" live, it was unbelieveable. I'm reading more bands and artists are now working with orchestras, how interesting.

The new line up will be working on a new cd later this year. What will happen if this cd does the same as the Carrot cd? Will they still continue touring all year round, playing the same songs? Will they still have a record contract? Do you think Todd will still be with the band? I'm sure he has his other projects he wants to work on. Didn't he recently get married? I'm sure they may want kids some day soon, do you think he's going to be gone all year touring??? Look at Larry, he's more respected as a solo artist back in Canada. Will he go solo again? I don't see anybody talking about Glen anymore on the boards. He has his new cd coming out next month, where did all his followers go?

I know there are some people making fun of venues (old posts/threads) that Dennis or even Styx play in. To ME, I prefer seeing a concert in a smaller venue, like a theatre compared to the huge arenas that they once played. The sound and the view is better. I don't mind seeing a band at a State Fair. I can get closer and even take pictures, I could never do that when they were selling out in arenas or stadiums.

A lot of people compare Dennis and Steve Perry. Both situations were TOTALLY different and still are.

Also if someone wants to fly over the country to see a concert - good for them!! If someone wants to see the same person or band over and over 100 times a year - good for them. This is America, we can see who we want to see when we want to see them.

Just my views :wink:

by **froy** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 11:26 am

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:Come on guys, enough with the name calling. Let's all be friendly and have a good time on here

That's not name calling it's Froy and Monker ripping each other

A few years ago, I would give anything to have a Styx reunion. But it's never going to happen. Dennis is doing great on his own

That's exactly why it is going to happen .
Dennis 's shows are blowing away JY and Shaw's shows .
Heck there are 3 non members in Styx now which makes them a cover band .

I don't know if you all check, but he has been getting great reviews.

Where is yours for Chicago?

I'm sure he'll be mixing up the set list for a couple of shows. You never know what might be added. When I first heard "Castle Walls" live, it was unbelieveable. I'm reading more bands and artists are now working with orchestras, how interesting.

Castle Walls was mezmorizing
Back To Chicago was awesome
Esmerelda was chilling
Heartbeat was just beautifull.

The new line up will be working on a new cd later this year.

And it will be in the toilet by years end,
Only Yogi will keep it .

What will happen if this cd does the same as the Carrot cd?

It will do worse and that will be the end of JY's dream/

Just my views

by **Monker** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 1:56 pm

A few years ago, I would give anything to have a Styx reunion. But it's never going to happen. Dennis is doing great on his own

Well, do you think HE *wants* it to happen? I have my doubts. And, like a friend of mine who is a huge DDY fans once told me, once you head for the courts to resolve things, don't expect things to ever go back to the way they were.

I'm sure he'll be mixing up the set list for a couple of shows.

Well, I like the set the way it is. But, I do think the Hunchback/musical stuff will be a bit hard to swallow for people going there to see Styx songs. I know when I watched the Soundstage, I was pretty BORED with those songs. So, if things change, I hope it isn't in that direction.

The new line up will be working on a new cd later this year. What will happen if this cd does the same as the Carrot cd?

I think they will be on Sactuary as long as they want to be. How many hit albums and songs has that label had? Wasn't "Return to Paradise" their first platinum album? I doubt very much that they will drop them.

But, it also would not suprise me if Tommy takes a break from Styx to record a Damn Yankees CD. I think there would be a huge market for that, if Ted and Jack want to do it.

Will they still continue touring all year round, playing the same songs?

What do you mean? Each time I have seen them they have changed their songs. On the Main Event tour, they performed more new songs then Journey did. The Cyclo-medley was awesome. Their performances are incredible...blowing away REO, and showing they can compete with Journey.

I don't see anybody talking about Glen anymore on the boards. He has his new cd coming out next month, where did all his followers go?

Probably to Burtnikville.com, or palookaville.com or whatever it is.

IMO, Glen proved himself as a top notch performer with Styx. He definitely did more the past few years with Styx then he did with EotC. I have video of the Arsenio (I think) performance and Glen just stands there like a statue. It's like a completely different guy when you compare that to the guy running all over the audience performing. He EARNED fans repect, even some of the fans who were not fully supporting him back when Edge came out.

I know there are some people making fun of venues (old posts/threads) that Dennis or even Styx play in.

Well, I saw Styx/REO with 10,000 fans at the Iowa State Fair (one and a half times), 15,000+ fans in Council Bluffs for the Main Event tour, and probably 5,000+ fans outside the casino here. Dennis is performing in a 2500 seat theater. So, what is bad and what is good? Well, the Main Event show I saw from the 5th row was absolutely INCREDIBLE. I doubt Dennis (or Journey, or Styx) will ever come close to that.

But, I would rather see Styx, or Journey (if they turn down the sound a bit) at the Civic Center then at the fairgrounds...It's simply a nicer setting to see a concert.

A lot of people compare Dennis and Steve Perry. Both situations were TOTALLY different and still are.

Not TOTALLY different...and the DeYoungians act JUST LIKE Perryheads at times. Their arguments are EXACTLY the same. Take one conversation and try this:

Styx = Journey
Dennis = Perry
Tommy = Neal
JY = Jonathan
Gowan = Augeri
Todd = Dean

Kilroy = ROR
Edge = TBF
Cyclorama = Arrival
Paradise Theatre = Escape
Babe = Open Arms
DeYoungians = Perryheads
Tommydroolers = Augeriheads

It's all the same, just different words. I never felt like part of the band because they wouldn't let me play ice hockey on the river STyx. After they were finished, the fans had to drink Tommy's bathwater while Steve Perry got a perm. Whatever!

by **froy** » Wed Feb 11, 2004 1:43 am

Will they still continue touring all year round, playing the same songs?

What do you mean? Each time I have seen them they have changed their songs. On the Main Event tour, they performed more new songs then Journey did. The Cyclo-medley was awesome.

Fact is you take Dennis out of the Styx show and they have very little material to play .
I wonder how Gowan feels being a copycat,
I would not like it .
Take Dennis out of the Styx show and all you have are 5 winner songs.

A lot of people compare Dennis and Steve Perry. Both situations were TOTALLY different and still are.

Not TOTALLY different...and the DeYoungians act JUST LIKE Perryheads at times.

What does how people act have to do with the situation?
It has nothing to do with it,

Perry spit on JRNY fans and the band by dropping in for a cd and running away from the tour , His hip story was the out he needed not to tour.
If it were anything else he would have done some shows .
Dennis did 2 tours with Styx they just needed so much money they did not want to ever stop touring as they have proven.
Then Dennis would not share his royalty money from the VW commercial so they threw him out of the band .
How are those situations anywhere near the same ?
There not .

Their arguments are EXACTLY the same. Take one conversation and try this:

Styx = Journey
Dennis = Perry
Tommy = Neal
JY = Jonathan
Gowan = Augeri
Todd = Dean

Kilroy = ROR
Edge = TBF
Cyclorama = Arrival
Paradise Theatre = Escape
Babe = Open Arms
DeYoungians = Perryheads
Tommydroolers = Augeriheads

It's all the same, just different words.

It's pyscobabble
And makes no sense at all .

I never felt like part of the band because they wouldn't let me play ice hockey on the river STyx. After they were finished, the fans had to drink Tommy's bathwater while Steve Perry got a perm.

And you need to change the bong water
Your stoned out of your mind .

by **Monker** » Wed Feb 11, 2004 2:06 am

It's pyscobabble
And makes no sense at all .

Hmmm, let's see...

froy wrote:Fact is you take Perry out of the Journey show and they have very little material to play .
I wonder how Augeri feels being a copycat,
I would not like it .
Take Perry out of the Journey show and all you have are 5 winner songs.

Dennis spit on Styx fans and the band by dropping in for a cd and running away from the tour , His vampire story was the out he needed not to tour.
If it were anything else he would have done some shows .
Journey just needed so much money they did not want to ever stop touring as they have proven.
Then Perry would not share his royalty money from the FTLOSM tour so they threw him out of the band .

Yeah, you're right, psychobabble...from the radicals of BOTH bands.

by **yogi** » Wed Feb 11, 2004 2:17 am

Monker, You beat me to the punch. You are 100% correct, your analogies are perfect! Same stories, ONLY the names are different. Froy wants to have it BOTH ways. Whats worse than a hypocrite?? A Hypocrite that gets bonus miles!!!!!!!

by **froy** » Wed Feb 11, 2004 2:45 am

Hmmm, let's see...

Fact is you take Perry out of the Journey show then they have very little material to play .

I knew this was comming .
Fact is try to put Perry in to sing these songs and you have no show at all.
He would not show up.
Put Dennis in a Styx show and you have a killer show just like they all were in the past .

I wonder how Augeri feels being a copycat,

Im sure he feels fine seeing that the guy he's coping has no intrest in doing it himself.

I would not like it .
Take Perry out of the Journey show and all you have are 5 winner songs.

No take Perry out of a JRNY show and you have no show at all .

Dennis spit on Styx fans and the band by dropping in for a cd and running away from the tour ,

No Tommy and JY spit on Dennis and Styx fans by demanding money from a commercial that they had nothing to do with ,
The same song they made fun of time after time .

His vampire story was the out he needed not to tour.

Funny he's touring now with no story in fact he was as sick as a dog on Saturday and he stiill showed up .

Journey just needed so much money they did not want to ever stop touring as they have proven.

REALLY has JRNY done 500 shows in the last 6 years >
Nope

Then Perry would not share his royalty money from the FTLOSM tour

Your really losing it

so they threw him out of the band .

And have invited him back to sing anytime
Something Styx 3 has refused to do

Yeah, you're right, psychobabble...

Thanks

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Wed Feb 11, 2004 3:20 am

"Take Dennis out of the Styx show and all you have are 5 winner songs"

What are the 5 winner songs? I'm not being a smarta$$, but which ones do you consider are 5 winner songs being played on the recent tour?

by **yogi** » Wed Feb 11, 2004 3:41 am

Man Hands, by 'winner'I believe it is meant songs that have charted in the top 30 or 40. You have: Fooling Yourself, Blue Collar Man, Renegade, Too Much Time On My Hands. Those 4 songs all charted above #30. The other Styx staples sung by Tommy and JY include Miss America, Crystal Ball, and Snowblind. If Dennis was back in the group we could expect to hear all of those songs sung in concert maybe cutting out Snowblind if the show was a short one. What' soooo damn funny is that Styx has cut out all of Dennis's songs on their last two tours with the exception of Lady, Grand Illusion, and Come Sail Away. On The Edge Of The Century Tour Styx minus Tommy had Glen sing 4 or 5 Tommy led songs. Again, if Styx sings DDY's songs you scream they are living off of him, and if they dont sing his songs they are erasing him from Styx. You Perryheads are SUCH TOTAL HYPOCRITES!!!!!! They are GREAT live and Cyclorama was a FANTASTIC CD!!!! The material on Cyclorama was soooooo far superior to all of Dennis new songs its ridiculous. Go see one of their shows Man Hands. Then make your assessment. You will see first hand how tight, professional, and truly how fantastic they are now. Thats not slighting Dennis in the least. He is GREAT too. There was more than just DDY to Styx. It's too damn bad some of you are to blind to see that.

by **sadie65** » Wed Feb 11, 2004 3:59 am

Yogi,

I've heard Cyclorama, and while some of the songs are good, they aren't the killers you make them out to be. But I can respect that we have different tastes. As for the quality of their live performances, yes they are talented and put on a decent show, however I also think they are less than they could be. I feel they are becoming caricatures of what they were. You can cite crowd levels on either side, and you can continue to call names and make fun of what you perceive Dennis' musical direction is, but truth be told, they are still using some of his material. And they will always do so...because those songs are so closely identified with Styx. He doesn't need to use their material, because he has enough of his own.

I can tell you, at every concert I've attended of his, it is in fact his Hunchback material that gets the largest audience response. and that's terrific. I would hate for anyone to limit what an entertainer can or should do. It's like saying Robin Williams should have always stayed as Mork.

Oh and for the record, this DeYoungian does not think it would ever be good to put these men together again. I am quite content to have them seperate. Oh yes, there is a world of difference between the Journey situation and the Styx one. Perhaps you could also learn to stop labeling people as being one category or another. And since the situations between the bands are trult not the same, perhaps you could stop comparing them to make whatever point you think you're making.

Sadie

by **froy** » Wed Feb 11, 2004 4:54 am

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:"Take Dennis out of the Styx show and all you have are 5 winner songs"

What are the 5 winner songs? I'm not being a smarta$$, but which ones do you consider are 5 winner songs being played on the recent tour?

Here are the 5 staples from the 2 sandbaggers

Fooling Themselves
Crystal Ball
Renegade
Miss America
Too Much Time

Now they have written songs equal to these but they are not recognizable by the casual fan ..

by **yogi** » Wed Feb 11, 2004 5:55 am

Sadie,
I have seen Tommy Shaw solo 3 times(twice Girls with Guns) and once Seven Deadly Zens tours. He NEVER sang a DDY or JY led Styx song in any of those shows. Again, on the Edge Tour 91(minus Tommy Shaw)' Styx performed 4 or 5 Tommy led songs depending on the show. So if your point is valid then you are saying Styx without Tommy didnt have enough of their own material to do an entire show. Thats bull, and your argument is wrong. Why Styx now plays a few DDY led songs is because the casual fan expects to hear Come Sail Away at a Styx show just the same as they expected to hear Renegade back in 91. Us, the die hards would rather hear the obscure Styx songs we never get to hear live. There just arent enough die hards like us left to dictate what they play. They pretty much have to play hits. My all time favorite Styx song 'Born For Adventure' I have NEVER heard live in concert, and I probably never will, whether thats at a Styx or DDY concert. How great was it for some of you to hear Back To Chicago??

by **Monker** » Wed Feb 11, 2004 5:57 am

I've heard Cyclorama, and while some of the songs are good, they aren't the killers you make them out to be. But I can respect that we have different tastes.

I would say that all of the songs are 'good' and most of the songs are excellent.

As for the quality of their live performances, yes they are talented and put on a decent show, however I also think they are less than they could be.

I don't think that's true. In the shows I have seen, Styx gives the crowd everything they can possibly give and leave the crowd begging for more. I doubt they could be better...and I don't think Dennis is missed as much as some people think, and wish, he was.

they are still using some of his material. And they will always do so...because those songs are so closely identified with Styx.

That is because they are STYX songs. What kind of argument is "Styx will always perform Styx songs because Styx songs are so closely identified with Styx"? Huh? If Dennis wanted those songs to be HIS, he should have recorded them as solo songs.

The fans should recognize that Styx has every right to perform those songs, and they SHOULD perform those songs despite what a few fans on the internet think.

He doesn't need to use their material, because he has enough of his own.

So what? The show Dennis performs is HIS show. He's not performing a Styx concert. If he were selling tickets and advertising himself and his band as Styx, you can bet that people would be disapointed to not hear Tommy's and JY's songs, and hear Hunchback and "10 on Broadway" type of stuff instead.

I can tell you, at every concert I've attended of his, it is in fact his Hunchback material that gets the largest audience response. and that's terrific.

Good for Dennis. I don't see what difference it makes though. I'm looking to hear Styx songs, that's the fact. Maybe everybody else is looking forward to hearing his broadway musical stuff, but I'm not.

I would hate for anyone to limit what an entertainer can or should do.

You mean like people saying that Styx shouldn't perform the Styx songs Dennis sang or wrote?

It's like saying Robin Williams should have always stayed as Mork.

No, it's like saying Journey should only perform post and pre Perry songs.

Oh yes, there is a world of difference between the Journey situation and the Styx one.

Not when it comes to what the fans say and how they act. It is VERY much the same. I could do the same to your post as what I have done to froy's and you would sound JUST like a Perryhead. Enjoy the music, or don't enjoy it...But, to argue that you shouldn't even listen because of the politics and characters within the band is just silly...that is what Froy is doing and Perryheads do EXACTLY the same thing.

Perhaps you could also learn to stop labeling people as being one category or another.

I didn't label you as a DeYoungian - YOU did that. I was being sarcastic with froy to make a point, which he tries his best to ignore...That he sounds just like a raving Perryhead. His arguments are EXACTLY the same but for a different singer and against a different band. Calling him a Perryhead is like calling some here Tommydroolers...it's so untrue it's laughable.

Besides, Perryhead is a morphed word that few seem to even remember what it originaly meant.

What is the history of "DeYoungian"? How did that term come about?

And since the situations between the bands are trult not the same, perhaps you could stop comparing them to make whatever point you think you're making.

Perhaps you shouldn't attempt to direct my conversation. You won't like the result.

by **sadie65** » Wed Feb 11, 2004 7:07 am

I think you totally missed my points. I said the reason that the current line is still using those songs is because people so closely identify them as Styx songs. It's ludicrous to state that Dennis should have recorded as solo songs given the time they were written and his relationship with the band at that time.

I said that people should stop labeling groups of people as one or the other. Yes I realize I called myself a DeYoungian...however, as one, I don't believe that everyone makes the same statements about each band/singer with only name changes. I don't believe that each bands situation is at all similar to the other.

Whether Styx or Dennis puts on a great show is subjective. Some may like the way Styx rocks out these days, others may not. I have enough comprehension to understand that, however my own opinion is that I feel they are diminished. Please notice I never said they were dminished because Dennis is no longer in the band. I said it because I truly do not feel they are all that great anymore. Period.

I noted that Dennis' Hunchback material is the best received because it shows that people are more than willing to accept him to be more than just an aging rocker. Yes, it was great to hear something like Back to Chicago, and I can understand wanting to hear deeper cuts in concerts, but given the fact that Styx, like so many other aging rock bands these days, is not moving heaven and earth with new material, it only makes sense that they play songs that their core fan base is used to. Why get so upset about it. Geez, I think sometimes all anyone wants to do is prove their point, rather than read what someone writes. Whatever. I'm not arguing with anyone...perhaps that's what has you all so willing to respond in the first place.

:wink:

Sadie

by **froy** » Wed Feb 11, 2004 7:36 am

Monker wrote:
I've heard Cyclorama, and while some of the songs are good, they aren't the killers you make them out to be. But I can respect that we have different tastes.

I would say that all of the songs are 'good' and most of the songs are excellent.

15 thousand people agree with you .

As for the quality of their live performances, yes they are talented and put on a decent show, however I also think they are less than they could be.

I don't think that's true. In the shows I have seen, Styx gives the crowd everything they can possibly give and leave the crowd begging for more.

The only thing they are begging for is for Gowan to stop butchering Dennis's songs.

and I don't think Dennis is missed as much as some people think, and wish, he was.

Really then why not try a show without a triple bill
Answer the place would be empty night after night.

they are still using some of his material. And they will always do so...because those songs are so closely identified with Styx.

Yes the Styx with Dennis in it
Not the copycat.
Fact is they do not have enough material to put on a show without Dennis's music.

The fans should recognize that Styx has every right to perform those songs, and they SHOULD perform those songs despite what a few fans on the internet think.

So just because they use the name Styx no matter who is in the band they can play any song in there back catalog, is that what you are saying?
If Burtnick sues to use the Styx name and wins can he sing Lady and Come sail away also ?
How about Ricky if he sues and wins can he play Fooling Yourself ?
Dennis is touring with a huge banner that say's the music of Styx
Should he sing Miss America.
Answer no and the reason he does not have to
Styx with it's no original member lineup needs to or the show will be 45 min long.
Get off your soap box .

He doesn't need to use their material, because he has enough of his own.

So what? The show Dennis performs is HIS show. He's not performing a Styx concert. If he were selling tickets and advertising himself and his band as Styx, you can bet that people would be disapointed to not hear Tommy's and JY's songs, and hear Hunchback and "10 on Broadway" type of stuff instead.

Ahh but he is billing it as The Music of Styx wrong again eggbert.

I'm looking to hear Styx songs, that's the fact. Maybe everybody else is looking forward to hearing his broadway musical stuff, but I'm not.

Funny how you have never heard any of that stuff in a live setting and you down play it .
Shows how shallow you really are .

I would hate for anyone to limit what an entertainer can or should do.

You mean like people saying that Styx shouldn't perform the Styx songs Dennis sang or wrote?

Why don't they do Curlewski songs Monk?
He was in the band .
What's the problem?

Oh yes, there is a world of difference between the Journey situation and the Styx one.

Not when it comes to what the fans say

That has nothing to do with the facts of each case,
The opinions are the same because the 2 most popular members are not in the band . Gee how could it be any different.

Perhaps you shouldn't attempt to direct my conversation. You won't like the result.

Wooo your a real tough guy Monk .

by **froy** » Wed Feb 11, 2004 7:53 am

Again, on the Edge Tour 91(minus Tommy Shaw)' Styx performed 4 or 5 Tommy led songs depending on the show.

Wrong 2 or 3 not 4 or 5
Blue
Renegade
And Snowblind

So if your point is valid then you are saying Styx without Tommy didnt have enough of their own material to do an entire show. Thats bull,

Hey Ginga
They did how many Burtnick Edge songs in 91 ?
That kinda made up for Shaw not being there,
And for the record I wanted Shaw back in 91 just like I want Dennis back now.

and your argument is wrong. Why Styx now plays a few DDY led songs is because the casual fan expects to hear Come Sail Away at a Styx show just the same as they expected to hear Renegade back in 91

.

Your right but the casual fan wants to hear Dennis sing it not Larry.

MR

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