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Pieces,

Personally I am really glad that Nu Styx got the licensing to have Alvin, Simon AND Theodore to cover a couple of Dennis' songs.

Does anybody know where I can get them covering some of Tommy and JY's stuff?

Scott

[froy]

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="piecesofeight"]All this talk about Dennis not being missed. It's so easy NOW to take shots and both Perry and Deyoung, yet those bands were SO sucessful when both were in the bands. I still go back to wondering this. IF people like Lawrence so much better in the band than Dennis and so many are going to the concerts, how come Cyclorams isn't selling that well. With Dennis, Styx sold millions of records. It's Dennis's Styx songs that are being used in so many commercial type things today. So many.....When you bring up Styx, I bet it's a Dennis Styx song that someone else will mention. IF, which won't happen ever, Dennis returned to Styx, I believe there would be a high in the air by many. What surprises me is how many think that Lawrence handles Dennis' songs just fine. If people are SO happy with Lawrence in the group over Dennis, then how come it's the Styx cd's with Dennis that are selling so well and not the one's that Lawrence is on? We can all debate about how cd's are not selling that well today, but the Styx cd's with Dennis are selling more units than the one's with Lawrence.......

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Sunday Morning I will answer all of your questions
Im working now so can't do it .
But I will tommorow .
Look out

[ek88]

Three words for the argument that Dennis has any effect on Styx album sales in modern times: Brave New World. Besides, poor album sales by older groups isn't exactly unique. I follow Night Ranger a bit, and the sales of their last two albums (Neverland and Seven) haven't even come close to Midnight Madness, Seven Wishes, etc., despite having the same band members. Don't follow Aerosmith too closely, but I'm quite sure that Nine Lives and Just Push Play aren't selling nearly as well as Pump, Permanent Vacation, etc. Keep in mind they have all five original members. It'd be a lot easier to buy the poor album sales argument if other bands (without the membership issues) weren't experiencing the exact same thing.

Some other random thoughts:

The Cyclo-medley was Todd's idea. It would be more logical to point the finger at him for song-milking.

Styx in 1990 plays Tommy's songs. Styx in 2003 plays Dennis' songs. To accept one and not the other is a double standard.

The expectations of the fans is irrelavant.

Then why are you bothering to argue any of this? By your own logic, what you expect is not relevant. Please explain.

Saw the Damn Yankees in 1990, extended set. They did the Babe thing. At the time, I wasn't even aware which member of Styx wrote the song or that it was about Dennis' wife. I didn't get the joke. None of my friends did either. Incidentally, they played Crystal Ball and Nugent made fun of it as well. Also caught a couple of DY interviews during which Ted took a few shots at Tommy and Styx. Actually, Tommy was the butt of quite a few of Ted's jokes. I think the whole Babe thing was more a matter of DY dynamics than a deliberate, low-down shot at DeYoung. Also keep in mind that Tommy did not make fun of the song AFTER Dennis asked him not to. Can any one of us claim not to have unintentionally hurt someone's feelings? If you answer yes, please tell me your secret.

Anyway, this is getting way too long, and I'm really starting to ramble. Cheers, everyone!

[froy]

Styx in 1990 plays Tommy's songs. Styx in 2003 plays Dennis' songs. To accept one and not the other is a double standard.

In 1990 Tommy gave his blessing on playing his songs and even picked the guy to sing them ,
They only did it for 1 tour a few shows.
In 1999-2004 they play Dennis's songs without his blessing and it's been
500 shows.
Not a double standard at all.

The expectations of the fans is irrelavant.

Then why are you bothering to argue any of this? By your own logic, what you expect is not relevant. Please explain.

The expectations of what the fans want to hear at shows is irrelevant,
The lineup that is playing them certainly is relevant.
At this point the current Styx lineup caresless what the fans want
they just want there money period .

[froy]

All this talk about Dennis not being missed.

There is very little talk about Dennis being missed because the only people that are missing him are current Styx followers.
Dennis's solo show is stellar.
It blows Styx shows away ,
We don't miss Shaw and the Legend
We have the real Styx man
We see the real Styx show everytime we see Dennis live.

I still go back to wondering this. IF people like Lawrence so much better in the band than Dennis and so many are going to the concerts, how come Cyclorams isn't selling that well.

The answer is simple they don't like Lawerence better in fact i have never seen anyone say they like Gowan better
Only a kindergarden math teacher would be stupid enough to say such a thing.
The current lineup will fail again and again and they don't care .
They just want your money ,
'New CDs with rehash material no problem they just want your money.
Triple bills to sell tickets no problem they just want your money .

With Dennis, Styx sold millions of records. It's Dennis's Styx songs that are being used in so many commercial type things today.

Which is exactly why he's out of the band ,
Dennis get's paid Shaw and the Legend don't .

So many.....When you bring up Styx, I bet it's a Dennis Styx song that someone else will mention.

Yep and not Gowans that's for sure.

IF, which won't happen ever, Dennis returned to Styx, I believe there would be a high in the air by many.

Da Me Ja Mey Ja Mey.
It will happen bet on it .

What surprises me is how many think that Lawrence handles Dennis' songs just fine.

After a 12 pack anyone would sound just fine.

If people are SO happy with Lawrence in the group over Dennis, then how come it's the Styx cd's with Dennis that are selling so well and not the one's that Lawrence is on?

Answer Gowan is a pawn fillin and the ones that are happy are Shaw followers who are just happey to see the guy on stage no matter what .

We can all debate about how cd's are not selling that well today, but the Styx cd's with Dennis are selling more units than the one's with Lawrence.......

Speaks volumes doesn't it .

[piecesofeight]

I knew that the Brave New World argument would get brought up as soon as I hit the submit button All I was trying to say is that IF Lawrence is liked better, than it should be Cyclorama that they are going out and buying, not classic Styx greatest hits or Styx cd's with Dennis, but since it's always being brought up, does anyone have sales figures for Cyclorama and Brave New World. I agree, Brave New World sucks, but so does Cyclorama. I'm not saying that every Styx cd with Dennis sold great, not at all. It just blows me away that if this new lineup is so good and Lawrence is better than Dennis, why the new cd isn't selling more. That's all I am saying, not that a cd with Dennis will sell better, but right now, a Styx cd with Dennis on it is selling better than a Styx cd with Lawrence on it. Not that every cd with Dennis EVER sold better. I never said that. I'm just saying right now, it's make you scratch your head that if Styx is so much better right now, why are certain Styx cd's selling like they are.

[sadie65]

We could continue to debate who is better at singing and which lineup is better, but it will get us nowhere.

As for cd sales and why Cyclorama isn't doing better than some of the albums Dennis was a part of, well to me it's more about radio play. Whether we agree or not, truthfully, radio play does dictate the amount of sales a cd generates. While Styx did some minor radio play with both BNW and Cyclorama, let's face it...they didn't get a lot. The market today is not dictated by those who love classic rock.

The cd's that Dennis appears on are being bought by fans who remember liking them from before and are replacing old albums and cassettes. Like it or not, when most people think of Styx, they think of the classic lineup. Certainly there are fans out there who embrace and enjoy this lineup...good for them. Seriously. Those are the ones going to the concerts and buying Cyclorama. All the more power to them. The majority of the fans though, are buying a piece of their youth. Pretty simple.

Not gonna debate the merits of either BNW or Cyclorama. Enjoy what you will. Life is too short to keep rehashing something that is nearly 5 years old and is subject to personal taste.

Sadie

[piecesofeight]

We could continue to debate who is better at singing and which lineup is better, but it will get us nowhere.
Not gonna debate the merits of either BNW or Cyclorama. Enjoy what you will. Life is too short to keep rehashing something that is nearly 5 years old and is subject to personal taste.
Sadie

And yet we continue to come here and do it, including yourself. I'm not debated the merits of Cyclorama or BNW, I was just asking if anyone knew current sales figures for each.
All I'm saying is that people are buying old Styx cd's more than Cyclorama. That's it!

[yogi]

A couple of points I want to make here is #1. As far as I know NO ONE has EVER said Lawerence is BETTER than Dennis. I certainly dont think so. I also have NEVER heard ANYONE say Todd is BETTER than John P. Glen vs Chuck etc... What I will say is that Dennis Deyoung's material of 1975-1981 is a 1,000,000 times BETTER than his material of today. Finally and I TRULY believe this. When Styx plays the triple bills probably half of the rock fans at these shows have NO clue Dennis is no longer in the band. The exact same statement can be made as for Steve Perry. I saw the Main Event last summer, and I really believe many of the people in attendance were TOTALLY clueless about the lineup changes. Just last week I knew four people who went to see Journey at The Raised On Rodeo Tour in San Antonio. None of them knew Steve Perry was not in the band even after the show. They loved the show and had a chance to relive their youth. There are not just that many hardcore fans like us out there left. The fans going to the majority of these shows liked the music in their youth, purchased a few albums, but really couldnt tell you who is or isnt in the band. As for new albums, they basically have NO intrest in purchasing anything new. In the car they are probably listening to what their kids want to hear. Just like we made our parents listen to Styx etc....

[styxmike]

nothing more anyone can add to that yogi!! a sensible post. Now it's just us oldies who will buy their material , who cares how many they sell, who cares if they play 20,000 seaters or 2000 as long as the people who care ( us fans) go away happy. The one and only time I saw styx, after waiting 24 yrs, was a small theatre in Clearwater FL it was awsome!!! better than any stadium/arena. I couldn't a flying sh** what anyone else thought, that night they proved to ME that they are worth my hard earned £££, with or without DDY,

[piecesofeight]

A couple of points I want to make here is #1. As far as I know NO ONE has EVER said Lawerence is BETTER than Dennis. ..

I will have to remember that EVERY time that I hear that Styx is much better NOW, that they mean they just LIKE Lawrence better/more or like Styx as they are NOW, not that this means Lawrence is better, just liked better.....

[piecesofeight]

nothing more anyone can add to that yogi!! a sensible post. Now it's just us oldies who will buy their material , who cares how many they sell, who cares if they play 20,000 seaters or 2000 as long as the people who care ( us fans) go away happy. The one and only time I saw styx, after waiting 24 yrs, was a small theatre in Clearwater FL it was awsome!!! better than any stadium/arena. I couldn't a flying sh** what anyone else thought, that night they proved to ME that they are worth my hard earned £££, with or without DDY,

ALL, I was asking was if anyone had the sale figures for Cylorama and BNW. Great that you don't give a flying sh**. I love how people say that, then still reply to post.
I was just asking for a true answer to something. I was just hoping for an answer, not a typical 'around here' opinion or smack at someone that can take place , not that this post did.
You and Yogi seem a bit worked up.....?

[ek88]

All I'm saying is that people are buying old Styx cd's more than Cyclorama.

pieces,
I agree with you 100%. But don't you think this is true of the majority of older groups, not just Styx? For example, I heard a while back that Def Leppard's Greatest Hits and Hysteria were currently selling at a greater rate than X (their latest release).
Doesn't it also stand to reason that a lot of the newer fans (if they exist) would buy older albums, since that's where the majority of the new lineup's setlist is drawn from? A fan who is brand new to the band is most likely going to hear more songs from the Grand Illusion (or GH) than Cyclorama if they go to a show. Heck, the new lineup is as much to blame as anyone for those old albums currently outselling Cyclorama.

I will have to remember that EVERY time that I hear that Styx is much better NOW,

Despite all my talk of album sales, I am NOT of the mindset that the current lineup is better than the classic one. I'm just not convinced that Cyclorama sales are affected by the lineup issues. I think this album may have sold a few more thousand copies, if it had been released by the classic lineup, but not much more than that. JMHO.

Wish I could help on the album sales statistics. They seem to be some of the best-guarded secrets in America

[classicstyxfan]

Sales for BNW and Cyclorama are as follows:

Brave New World - 462
Cyclorama - 387
Bonus information:

Dennis DeYoung Live has just pased the 100 mark in sales !
When asked for comment, a source at Billboard magazine said

"Dennis who ?" "Styx ? oh yeah, they do that wierd song about a robot, don't they ? My dad really got into that when I was a kid...."

the boys just need to sell a few dozen more of each to earn
"relevant record" status ! and a few hundred thousand more of each to reach Gold Record status.

Disclaimer:

while the numbers presented here are not factual, the editorial commentary is pretty dead on accurate. IMHO, we all take ourselves too seriously here ! there's still new music being pumped out by these really talented guys ( and Gowan too......) and if you live in the right area, you can still go see 'em play it live !

The rest is all irrelevent to nearly the entire rest of the civilized world ! Have fun, enjoy the music while theres still time, and the Geritol is still working ! In 10 years if were all still here, It wouldnt surprise me if at least one of the main 3 players is being referred to in the past tense......( though I hope not...)

[yogi]

Classic, You are forgetting a couple of VERY important points. The sale of DDY's new CD hitting the Century sale mark, actually means 100 credit cards have been billed, but only around 50 CD's have hit the homes of the people who purchased them. Yokodelivery is damn slooooooooooow!!. Finally, ten years from now when Tommy and the boys have a minor bowling alley hit entitled Crystal Bowl, Froy, and the rest of his Yokoites will still be bitching, and checking the PBS listings daily for any sightings of their hero. Good news though for DDY fans, you will though be able to hear some brand new DDY music. All you will have to do is purchase the play 'Barneys My Pal' that Dennis and Yoko filmed of their granddaughter. She's in first grade, and played the lead. His new single is included if you order for the play for $29.99. Shipping is 5 dollars unless you want rush delivery for 20 dollars. Please allow 5-9 months overseas.

[froy]

What I will say is that Dennis Deyoung's material of 1975-1981 is a 1,000,000 times BETTER than his material of today.

And what I will say is you are way off once again.
Dennis has grown in his writing
Sure he does not write Born For Adventure type songs but Either does Tommy Shaw . When was the last time he wrote a Fooling Yourself or Crystal Ball type song?
Dennis is writing ballads right now and his ballads are the best of his career, Take Paradise for example this is his best ballad ever.
With Every Heart Beat is simply beautifull,
Esmerelda is moving .
While There's Still Time is another great song .
Even Hello God Is Very Nice.
It's not fair to single Dennis out as a song writer who has lost it .

. When Styx plays the triple bills probably half of the rock fans at these shows have NO clue Dennis is no longer in the band.

Your right there all drunk losers.

The exact same statement can be made as for Steve Perry.

Everyone knows about Steve Perry not being in the band
Journey headlines shows
They don't rely on triple bills like Stynx.

I saw the Main Event last summer, and I really believe many of the people in attendance were TOTALLY clueless about the lineup changes.

I just love when people say they were at a show and they knew what all the fans expected and thought
That is simply laughable.

Just last week I knew four people who went to see Journey at The Raised On Radio Tour in San Antonio. None of them knew Steve Perry was not in the band even after the show.

Last week you knew these people ?
Do you still know them this week?
Funny though Steve Perry was on the ROR tour so I don't know what the hell your talking about
AGAIN.

[Monker]

Sure he does not write Born For Adventure type songs but Either does Tommy Shaw . When was the last time he wrote a Fooling Yourself or Crystal Ball type song?

"One With Everything", "Inspiration", "Down On the Ground"

While There's Still Time is another great song.

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The exact same statement can be made as for Steve Perry.

Everyone knows about Steve Perry not being in the band
Journey headlines shows
They don't rely on triple bills like Stynx.

You can't be serious about that! There are still people who GO TO THE SHOWS and think Perry is still in the band. They perform the SAME VENUES that Styx play. But, when Styx hits a state, they perform ALL OVER, not just the big city.

I just love when people say they were at a show and they knew what all the fans expected and thought
That is simply laughable.

What is laughable is somebody who doesn't even go the show saying that those who were there were 'drunk losers'.

On the "Main Event" show that I went to, I asked the lady next to me, "When was the last time you saw any of these bands?" She said, "I saw Styx back in 1986." Which I had to laugh at. I guess what I was thinking, but didn't say, was, "Uh, do you mean Journey? Styx didn't exist in 1986." So, I told her, "Well, a lot of things have changed since then...." She had no idea what I was talking about...that things had changed. And, she LOVED the Styx show. It was awesome.

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Just last week I knew four people who went to see Journey at The Raised On Radio Tour in San Antonio. None of them knew Steve Perry was not in the band even after the show.

Last week you knew these people ?
Do you still know them this week?
Funny though Steve Perry was on the ROR tour so I don't know what the hell your talking about
AGAIN.

Froy, it would help if you didn't edit words you are supposed to be quoting...he said, "Raised on RODEO Tour". Sorry, but they didn't perform rodeos in 1986.

I think they should call it the Perilous tour. You know, Perilous, Perryless...Oh, nevermind. They should have done that five years ago. Could have been funny.

[yogi]

Reread Lee Harvey Chapman, Journey is currently on Their Raised On RODEO Tour. They were playing The San Antonio Stock Show and RODEO.Also, Lee Harvey that a way to call the over 300,000 fans that saw Styx last summer 'drunk losers'. You are a true psycho lunatic, and JY and Tommy do need extra security with total freaks like you out there.

[froy]

Sure he does not write Born For Adventure type songs but Either does Tommy Shaw . When was the last time he wrote a Fooling Yourself or Crystal Ball type song?

"One With Everything", "Inspiration", "Down On the Ground"

Yea so what
Not even close to Fooling Yourself , Blue Collar or Crystal Ball.
Never even saw a radio station .

The exact same statement can be made as for Steve Perry.

Everyone knows about Steve Perry not being in the band
Journey headlines shows
They don't rely on triple bills like Stynx.

You can't be serious about that! There are still people who GO TO THE SHOWS and think Perry is still in the band.

Funny every JRNY show I have ever been to with Augeri not a single word about Steve Perry.
And again do you take a survey at the JRNY shows you go to?
How can you possibly know what people think at a concert?

I just love when people say they were at a show and they knew what all the fans expected and thought
That is simply laughable.

What is laughable is somebody who doesn't even go the show saying that those who were there were 'drunk losers'.

I have friends who have attended the STYX fiasco and by the time STYX hit the stage he told me many people were so wasted they had no clue what was going on.
Even Gowan sounded good after a 12er.

On the "Main Event" show that I went to, I asked the lady next to me, "When was the last time you saw any of these bands?" She said, "I saw Styx back in 1986." Which I had to laugh at. I guess what I was thinking, but didn't say, was, "Uh, do you mean Journey? Styx didn't exist in 1986." So, I told her, "Well, a lot of things have changed since then...." She had no idea what I was talking about...that things had changed. And, she LOVED the Styx show. It was awesome.

Those are the people STYX is counting on .
People who have no clue about the real band.
These people are clueless and would have the same great time if they saw a cover band .

Froy, it would help if you didn't edit words you are supposed to be quoting...he said, "Raised on RODEO Tour". Sorry, but they didn't perform rodeos in 1986.

Thanks Monk for clearing that up.

[froy]

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quote="yogi"]Reread Lee Harvey Chapman, Journey is currently on Their Raised On Rodeo Tour. They were playing The San Antonio Stock Show and Rodeo.

Ah I see so Styx is on there Casino Royale Tour .

Also, Lee Harvey that a way to call the over to 300,000 fans that saw Styx last summer drunk losers.

Only 50 thousand out of the 300 were there for STYNX
The rest of those fine people were there for JRNY .
Not many made it for the opening act.

You are a true psycho lunatic, and JY and Tommy do need extra security with total freaks like you out there.

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And your the typing teecher

[SuiteMadameBlue]

One With Everything", "Inspiration", "Down On the Ground"
Yea so what
Not even close to Fooling Yourself , Blue Collar or Crystal Ball.
Never even saw a radio station .

When the Carrot cd was released last year, none of the local stations in my area received the cd. I personally know a couple of the program managers from 2 of the top 40 radio stations here and they said that they did not receive anything, no promos, press, nothing.

Here are a few statistics, which probably won't mean much for a few of you, but whatever:

These are sales figures from last week at Amazon.

Styx GH is still going great at 654th in sales.

Dennis' Ultimate Collection which is still doing well for the length of time it has been out, its rank is 12,072. This is followed closely by Desert Moon at 12,159th in sales.

Carrot and 21st Century are both taking the same downhill spiral that Rockers took almost upon its release. Carrot is now 33,847 and 21 Cent is a little worse off at 35,709. Incidentally Dennis' 10 On Broadway clocked in at 34,684th.

Rockers is absolutely dead in the water at 99,397th.

I'll try to find more when I have time

[yogi]

Lee Harvey, here is how TOTALLY lame your argument has been for years. You have ripped into Styx because Cyclorama isnt even close to the success as the Grand Illusion, Paradise Theatre etc. You have argued about NO hits for the current Styx lineup. Now you write that 'Paradise' is the BEST ballad Dennis has EVER written. Where and when did it chart???? Was it a top 10 hit that I JUST HAPPENED TO MISS? Hell, it had the Styx name behind it. As did 'While Theres Still Time'. What number did it rise to???? It's peak week was??? As GREAT as those songs are in your mind, and I actually really like 'Paradise', how lame is it that a man of DDY's talent has to put Hunchback songs on Styx CD's. 'With Every Heartbeat', and 'Esmereldas Love Child' what was their peak chart positions?? I see 'Hello God' is currently racing up the charts, as is DDY's new CD. Now even Man Hands is checking Amazon. com numbers to compare. Where was that checking when Cyclorama was in the top 200 for two months after its release? I guess numbers ONLY matter when you can figure out a way to slant them toward your argument. How Type 1 of you!! You cant have it both ways Mr. Chapman. Then again the way you and the rest of your Yokoites slant the truth I guess you can!!

[froy]

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quote="yogi"]Lee Harvey, here is how TOTALLY lame your argument has been for years. You have ripped into Styx because Cyclorama isnt even close to the success as the Grand Illusion, Paradise Theatre etc.

Well is it ?


You have argued about NO hits for the current Styx lineup.

Never said that.

Now you write that 'Paradise' is the BEST ballad Dennis has EVER written.

Do you agree ?

Where and when did it chart???? Was it a top 10 hit that I JUST HAPPENED TO MISS?

I never brought up the charts .
Learn to read

[Monker]

Only 50 thousand out of the 300 were there for STYNX
The rest of those fine people were there for JRNY .
Not many made it for the opening act.

What did you do, take a poll?

Just prior to this tour, Journey alone was getting the same crowds as Styx/REO COMBINED. So, if you want to be realistic about it, if 300,000 showed up then 150,000 were there for Journey, 75,000 for REO, and 75,000 for Styx.

But, I think 'most' just thought seeing ALL THREE bands made this a bargain that was hard to pass up...and I doubt there was any loyalty to any one band.

You are a true psycho lunatic, and JY and Tommy do need extra security with total freaks like you out there.

And your the typing teecher

I thought he was also an English teacher...maybe he can tell you what a contraction is.

[Monker]

When the Carrot cd was released last year, none of the local stations in my area received the cd.

Well, this is misdirection on froy's part. He was originaly arguing that Tommy's writing changed as much as DeYoung's...which I don't think is true...Now we are into talking about radio receiving the CD? How many radio stations received "10 On Broudway"?

I personally know a couple of the program managers from 2 of the top 40 radio stations here and they said that they did not receive anything, no promos, press, nothing.

Why would Styx send a rock CD to top 40? Did these radio stations receive BNW? It doesn't seem logical that a classic rock band would send their rock CD to top 40. 25yrs ago, maybe they should, but not today. Would Britney Spears send her CD to a classic rock station?

Here are a few statistics, which probably won't mean much for a few of you, but whatever:

Amazon isn't a very good indicator of how a CD is doing...especialy when you get out of the top 10 or so. When you start talking 10,000th place, it's pretty meaningliess.

Please, tell us how they come up with their chart?

[Monker]

"One With Everything", "Inspiration", "Down On the Ground"

Yea so what
Not even close to Fooling Yourself , Blue Collar or Crystal Ball.
Never even saw a radio station .

You didn't argue "radio play"...You asked when was the last time Tommy wrote a song 'like' those others...in an attempt to prove his songwriting has changed as much as Dennis'.

Back when Tommy was promoting 7DZ, I even told Tommy in a chat that "Down On the Ground" reminded me a lot of "Fooling Yourself". It still does. 7DZ is full of AWESOME songwriting...It blows away any of Dennis' solo work. Even though you won't admit it, Cyclorama is also full of awesome songwriting.

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The exact same statement can be made as for Steve Perry.

Everyone knows about Steve Perry not being in the band
Journey headlines shows
They don't rely on triple bills like Stynx.

You are just simply wrong. I also find it ironic that you critique what I have said about people not knowing, but you allow yourself to do exactly the same thing. What did you do, take a poll?

What is laughable is somebody who doesn't even go the show saying that those who were there were 'drunk losers'.

I have friends who have attended the STYX fiasco and by the time STYX hit the stage he told me many people were so wasted they had no clue what was going on.
Even Gowan sounded good after a 12er.

Froy, that is called 'hearsay'...The Styx shows I have seen were not full of 'drunk losers'. That's just your fantasy....what you WANT to be true.

Those are the people STYX is counting on .
People who have no clue about the real band.
These people are clueless and would have the same great time if they saw a cover band .

Sorry, but it's not. The people they are counting on are those who were entertained enough to be convinced to come back the next time they are in town. So far, they come back...despite Dennis not being there. If the loss of Dennis had such an impact, people would be staying home by now and Styx would not be able to tour...that is the simple truth.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Hey Einstein (Yogi) I joined this message board in July. I wasn't on here when the Carrot cd was released. Those were just Amazon figures, I don't feel like searching for more cd sales, it doesn't matter, who really cares. I'm still going to go out and buy the music I like, not what's on the "hot 100 charts", which is mostly crap anyway.

Does cd sales really matter to you personally? Do you really need to know how many carrot cd's were sold in stores, on-line, from concerts, etc? Do you really need to know how many of Dennis' cd's sold on-line and from his concerts? Do you really need to compare them? Do you need to know the number of cd's that were made?

Do you need each article from 2003 & 2004 about the members of Styx? I'm not going to quote each article for you. Find a copy of the Classic Rock magazine, I have the one from England. Pick up a copy of the July 2003 Blender magazine, this is the article in which Tommy claims to be the one who started writing "Come Sail Away", it was his idea. If I have time, I'll go through all of 2003 articles and find which cities they came from. Don't you ever go on-line and look for articles? Is this the only Styx group you belong to? There are quite a few others. This is the only one that's really tense and has name calling.

Like Sadie said, it's been 5 years now, the Classic Line-up of Styx is gone and never will be. Most members of Styx (if not all) agreed the Grand Illusion was THE album they all enjoyed working on and really came together on. I have this statement on video and in print. Those times are gone, everyone has moved on.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Why would Styx send a rock CD to top 40? Did these radio stations receive BNW? It doesn't seem logical that a classic rock band would send their rock CD to top 40. 25yrs ago, maybe they should, but not today. Would Britney Spears send her CD to a classic rock station?

Why would Styx send their NEW music to a Classic Radio station? I thought the Classic Radio stations play music from the 60's, 70's and 80's, not today's music. Yes, when BNW came out, one of the top 40 stations did receive the press/promo pack. Where should this new Styx music be played? What type of radio station would you play it, the hard rock stations? Well, the 2 rock stations didn't receive their materials either. If they wanted radio play from the Carrot cd, what markets were they going to target? I thought the current line-up are "Rockers".

I heard Fleetwood Mac's new music on the top 40, the lite and a rock station in my area when it came out last year. Aren't they a "Classic Rock" group?

[Monker]

Why would Styx send their NEW music to a Classic Radio station? I thought the Classic Radio stations play music from the 60's, 70's and 80's, not today's music.

And, that's the problem that Styx, Journey, and every other classic rock band has to overcome. Pop radio won't play them because they are 'classic rock' bands. And, 'classic rock' stations won't play them because it's 'new' music.

Yes, when BNW came out, one of the top 40 stations did receive the press/promo pack.

Well, Sanctuary wasted their money, didn't they?

Where should this new Styx music be played? What type of radio station would you play it, the hard rock stations?

Good question. Classic rock stations should start playing 'new' music from these bands. But, they don't right now, do they?

I heard Fleetwood Mac's new music on the top 40, the lite and a rock station in my area when it came out last year. Aren't they a "Classic Rock" group?

They also had the benefit of a 'reunion' of sorts. When Journey released "Trial By Fire", they also had some radio time. But, now that the hoopla of 'reunion' is over, where will Mac be played? I bet radio hardly touches them - they were no more successful the Journey was, or Def Lep with "X", or Foreigner with "Mr. Moonlight", or...any other classic rock band with their last release.

[froy]

"One With Everything", "Inspiration", "Down On the Ground"

Yea so what
Not even close to Fooling Yourself , Blue Collar or Crystal Ball.
Never even saw a radio station .

You didn't argue "radio play"...You asked when was the last time Tommy wrote a song 'like' those others...in an attempt to prove his songwriting has changed as much as Dennis'.

And you gave your opinion .
Those songs did not have the same impact as Fooling Yourself or Crystal
Ball
The band did not even play OWE Live but they sure always did Fooling and Crystal .

Back when Tommy was promoting 7DZ, I even told Tommy in a chat that "Down On the Ground" reminded me a lot of "Fooling Yourself".

So it reminds you of it but it did not remind anyone else.

7DZ is full of AWESOME songwriting...It blows away any of Dennis' solo work.

Yes it is a great cd but it does not blow away anything .

Even though you won't admit it, Cyclorama is also full of awesome songwriting.

Who really cares?

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The exact same statement can be made as for Steve Perry.

Everyone knows about Steve Perry not being in the band
Journey headlines shows
They don't rely on triple bills like Stynx.

You are just simply wrong. I also find it ironic that you critique what I have said about people not knowing, but you allow yourself to do exactly the same thing. What did you do, take a poll?

You don't need to take a poll you just need to see fans are still comming to JRNY shows many years after Perry quit.
And they still headline they don't hide behind 2 other bands .

What is laughable is somebody who doesn't even go the show saying that those who were there were 'drunk losers'.

I have friends who have attended the STYX fiasco and by the time STYX hit the stage he told me many people were so wasted they had no clue what was going on.
Even Gowan sounded good after a 12er.

Froy, that is called 'hearsay'...

No that is called fact from a long time friend .