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[Monker]

You didn't argue "radio play"...You asked when was the last time Tommy wrote a song 'like' those others...in an attempt to prove his songwriting has changed as much as Dennis'.


And you gave your opinion .
Those songs did not have the same impact as Fooling Yourself or Crystal
Ball
The band did not even play OWE Live but they sure always did Fooling and Crystal .

Please, stick to one story. First you say Tommy has changed his writing just as much as Dennis. Then you start talking about radio play. Now you are on 'impact'.

How much 'impact' has "10 On Broadway" or any of the Hunchback songs had?

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Back when Tommy was promoting 7DZ, I even told Tommy in a chat that "Down On the Ground" reminded me a lot of "Fooling Yourself".

So it reminds you of it but it did not remind anyone else.

How do you know? Did you take a poll?

Even YOU admint that 7DZ is 'great'.

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7DZ is full of AWESOME songwriting...It blows away any of Dennis' solo work.


Yes it is a great cd but it does not blow away anything .

Compared to 7DZ, "Boomchild" SUCKS. So does "Girls With Guns". The bottom line is, out of all the solo releases from ALL of the various Styx members, 7DZ is my favorite...and probably always will be.

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Even though you won't admit it, Cyclorama is also full of awesome songwriting.

Who really cares?

Well, YOU do, of course...Since you were comparing Tommy's songwriting to Dennis.

When was the last time DENNIS wrote a songs like "One With Everything" or "These Are the Times"?

Dennis doesn't write music that fits into Styx any longer. That is the sad truth. The sad truth is that he didn't even see the potential of "These Are the Times". He took a different path. You may enjoy the Hunchback/broadway Dennis, but that isn't everything that Styx was about.

You don't need to take a poll you just need to see fans are still comming to JRNY shows many years after Perry quit.
And they still headline they don't hide behind 2 other bands .

And, fans are still going to Styx shows many years after Dennis was canned. So, what is your point? That Styx runs triple bills to fill 15,000 seat auditoriums while Journey goes to rodeos to perform to 15,000 cowboys? You really think one is better off then the other right now? I don't see it. I think they are about equal...Except Styx has defined plans to release a new CD, and Journey only implies it.

I have friends who have attended the STYX fiasco and by the time STYX hit the stage he told me many people were so wasted they had no clue what was going on.
Even Gowan sounded good after a 12er.

Froy, that is called 'hearsay'...


No that is called fact from a long time friend .

And, you saying "My best and most trusted friend in the world said..." is the very definition of hearsay. You don't have the personal experience. I do. So do others. And, I did not see a bunch of 'drunk losers'. That is very lame accusation.

[froy]

First you say Tommy has changed his writing just as much as Dennis.

No I did not say that
I said Shaw does not write songs like Fooling Yourself anymore
Manic Whatever is a perfect example.
Little Girl World is another.


Then you start talking about radio play. Now you are on 'impact'.
It's all part of the equasion.

How much 'impact' has "10 On Broadway" or any of the Hunchback songs had?

How much impact did Seven Zens have
They were not meant to have impact .

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Back when Tommy was promoting 7DZ, I even told Tommy in a chat that "Down On the Ground" reminded me a lot of "Fooling Yourself".

So it reminds you of it but it did not remind anyone else.

How do you know? Did you take a poll?

Your the only one who ever brought it up .
That's the poll.


Even YOU admint that 7DZ is 'great'.
Yep.

Compared to 7DZ, "Boomchild" SUCKS. So does "Girls With Guns". The bottom line is, out of all the solo releases from ALL of the various Styx members, 7DZ is my favorite...and probably always will be.

Well, YOU do, of course...Since you were comparing Tommy's songwriting to Dennis.

Once again read what I said
Im not comparing them I saying they have both changed therewritting styles.

When was the last time DENNIS wrote a songs like "One With Everything" or "These Are the Times"?

When was The Last Time Elton John wrote a song like Funeral For Friend ?
Or Rod Stewart with Maggie Mae?

Dennis doesn't write music that fits into Styx any longer.

And he's the one who sells out without a triple bill.

That is the sad truth. The sad truth is that he didn't even see the potential of "These Are the Times".

These are the Times WOOO
Big Deal
The song is budget .

He took a different path. You may enjoy the Hunchback/broadway Dennis, but that isn't everything that Styx was about.

Really what is Styx about Monk tells us please.

And, fans are still going to Styx shows many years after Dennis was canned.

You have no proof of that.
There's 3 bands on the bill how do you know who's showing up for who .
Did you take a poll?

I think they are about equal...Except Styx has defined plans to release a new CD, and Journey only implies it.

A new cd nobody is intrested in .
What a great band you are following.

[yogi]

Yo Man Hands, You stated you just joined the fourm in July and who cares about the numbers anyway, yet you just quoted us Amazon.com #'s of greatest hits, ultimate collection, cyclorama, rockers etc... so where do you stand on #'s do they matter or not?? You did a little research on numbers huh? What in the hell are you going to do with 100 copies of DDY's Ultimate Collection?Also,I found a 2002 article in the 'Daily Worker' its a Russian newspaper where Dennis is all over the rest of the band for being 'capitalists'. How dare they try to make an honest buck? Then again it's a communist paper... If you didnt get the Man Hands joke, you wont get this! Finally, Lee Harvey Chapman has stated and called Styx a 'warmup band' for a couple of years now. Now he states by the time 'Styx hit the stage everyone was so wasted'. By the time they hit the stage implies to me they were NOT the warm up band. Here is a fact for you there Lee Harvey, Double and Triple bills are a fact of the concert scene now. Very few bands can pack the larger venues by themselves. Especially bands of Styx's era. In 2000-2001 Styx and REO swapped headlining and packed huge venues, In 2002 Styx headlined the majority of the shows with Bad Company and packed HUGE venues again. The Main Event was VERY successful tour, with the bands being alloted the same amount of time to perform. Double and Triple Bills are the NORM in todays concert scene. This would be the same with or without DDY!

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Yogi - whatever.....

You babble so much.

[Monker]

Froy, you are so hypocritical. You are CONSTANTLY contradicting yourself...and then trying to change your words to not contradict yourself, then try to change your meaning so you don't contradict yourself. Why not just admit you are wrong.

I said Shaw does not write songs like Fooling Yourself anymore
Manic Whatever is a perfect example.
Little Girl World is another.

You said, "Sure he does not write Born For Adventure type songs but Either does Tommy Shaw . When was the last time he wrote a Fooling Yourself or Crystal Ball type song?" Which is a DIRECT COMPARISON TO DDY'S SONGWRITING.

Please, get over it. Dennis has concentrated almost EXCLUSIVELY on broadway music even since EotC ended. Yeah, there are a few exception...but the bulk of his music is Hunchback, "10 On Broadway", and JCS. Tommy has been all over the map with DY, Shaw/Blades, and 7DZ. If you are going to go all the way back to "Little Girl World", well, I'm sorry but NO OTHER STYX member has written a song outside of Styx that had as much 'impact' as "Come Again".

Then you start talking about radio play. Now you are on 'impact'.
It's all part of the equasion.

Perhaps you should state the 'equasion' (maybe after yogi give you a spelling lesson) BEFORE you start typing things that only emphasize one part of it.

The bottom line is that Tommy has always been all over the musical spectrum, from "Crystal Ball" to "Shooz" to "Boat On the River" to "Man In the Wilderness" to "Fooling Yourself" to "Sing For the Day"...and he continued that outside of Styx, and in Styx again with Cyclorama.

Dennis once wrote rock music with a sort of flamboyant flair...Now he write broadway type music and ballads and NOT rock music.

How much 'impact' has "10 On Broadway" or any of the Hunchback songs had?

How much impact did Seven Zens have
They were not meant to have impact .

Well, make up your mind and quit changing your 'equasion'. Either 'impact' matters, or it doesn't. NOTHING that Dennis has done outside of Styx has had any 'impact' since "Desert Moon".

Back when Tommy was promoting 7DZ, I even told Tommy in a chat that "Down On the Ground" reminded me a lot of "Fooling Yourself".

So it reminds you of it but it did not remind anyone else.

How do you know? Can you read everybody's mind?

My point was, and is, that this isn't a new opinion for me. I felt this way from the moment I heard 7DZ...It's an awesome album that everybody should own.

Dennis doesn't write music that fits into Styx any longer.

And he's the one who sells out without a triple bill.

Oh, come on...he's sells 2500 seats. That's probably fewer then Perry was doing on FTLOSM.

That is the sad truth. The sad truth is that he didn't even see the potential of "These Are the Times".

These are the Times WOOO
Big Deal
The song is budget .

That song is CLASSIC Styx. If it had been released back then, it could have beena HUGE hit. Dennis blew it on that one.

Really what is Styx about Monk tells us please.

Styx is about combining the hard rock of JY, the melodic style of Tommy, and the classical/theater mix of Dennis/Gowan.

It's not all about theatrics...which is what Dennis wanted to turn it into for Kilroy. It's also not all about ballads, which is all Dennis is able to contribute nowadays. And, despite what Dennis wanted, JY's absence on EotC kills the album. JY is missed as much on EotC as Tommy.

There's 3 bands on the bill how do you know who's showing up for who .
Did you take a poll?

If Styx couldn't attract fans, they wouldn't be ON THE BILL IN THE FIRST PLACE.

I think they are about equal...Except Styx has defined plans to release a new CD, and Journey only implies it.

A new cd nobody is intrested in .
What a great band you are following.

I think there are still a few people who are interested in a Journey CD...even if they are not on a label. Too bad they don't talk about it, or set aside time to write or record it.

[froy]

You said, "Sure he does not write Born For Adventure type songs but Either does Tommy Shaw . When was the last time he wrote a Fooling Yourself or Crystal Ball type song?" Which is a DIRECT COMPARISON TO DDY'S SONGWRITING.

Once again for the not so smart people like yourself .
Nobody writes songs like they did 20 years ago
From Dennis to Tommy to Elton To McCartney to Neil Diamond .
The only guy who get's grief for it is Dennis .

Dennis has concentrated almost EXCLUSIVELY on broadway music

Dennis has been doing this since the 70's
He did the intro Claire De Lune into Ballerina that was a classical piece back in 77 . You just did not care about it back then.
I loved it .
He always brought theatrics into Styx and it sold big time.

The bottom line is that Tommy has always been all over the musical spectrum, from "Crystal Ball" to "Shooz" to "Boat On the River" to "Man In the Wilderness" to "Fooling Yourself" to "Sing For the Day"...and he continued that outside of Styx, and in Styx again with Cyclorama.

Don't for get What If, Little Girl World, Girls With Guns, Manic Monday, She Cares, Cold War ect , Nobody gives him any flack for it like they do Dennis .

Dennis once wrote rock music with a sort of flamboyant flair...Now he write broadway type music and ballads and NOT rock music.

And he also wrote Babe Styx's only number 1 song.

Well, make up your mind and quit changing your 'equasion'. Either 'impact' matters, or it doesn't.

Comparing your suggestion that Shaw has written 3 Fooling Yourself's than I can say they did not have impact.
Dennis's Hunchback effort was a dream of his and it was not meant to get airplay or cause impact.
Cyclorama was a huge effort by Shaw to get impact
They sent letters to DJ's telling them to say that this current Styx cd is the best ever. He tried for impact and it was imploded.

NOTHING that Dennis has done outside of Styx has had any 'impact' since "Desert Moon".

Not all true but close.
This Is The Time off Karate Kid got exposure.

Really what is Styx about Monk tells us please.

Styx is about combining the hard rock of JY, the melodic style of Tommy, and the classical/theater mix of Dennis/Gowan.

Dennis/ Gowan what the hell is that?
You mean Styx is Jy Tommy and Gowan copying Dennis.

Styx is and always will be
Dennis DeYoung piano ballads and Oberhiem Synth riffs
Jy the legend on the hard rock side
And Shaw with a southern flare .
Chuck on Bass

That is Styx
Nothing More nothing less.

It's not all about theatrics...which is what Dennis wanted to turn it into for Kilroy.

Dennis has brought theatrics and concepts since the beginning of the band.
.

There's 3 bands on the bill how do you know who's showing up for who .
Did you take a poll?

If Styx couldn't attract fans, they wouldn't be ON THE BILL IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Opening Acts don't attract the majority of fans.
Styx was on the bill to collect a paycheck
Just like this summer .

I think there are still a few people who are interested in a Journey CD...even if they are not on a label. Too bad they don't talk about it, or set aside time to write or record it.

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Im sure they are hesitant from the Arrival experience.
Or they are hoping for a Steve Perry return.

Who knows.

[ek88]

Here's what little I know, regarding the live show, if it helps. I've seen the "new" lineup of Styx five times now. At three of those shows, they were the headliner, with either a little known or local band opening for them. Incidentally, I've also seen shows by the Goo Goo Dolls, Vertical Horizon, Ninedays, and SR-71 (newer, more popular bands) at the same venues. The attendance at the Styx shows appeared to be very close to the other shows, give or take a few. In this area, anyway, they seem to be keeping up with other bands in terms of attendance. The other two times I saw them with other acts. The first time, they came through with Billy Squier and BadCo. Styx played last and played a longer set. The second time was the Main Event, during which all three bands played an identical amount of time (give or take a few minutes). They came through two other times (I was unable to attend the shows). According to my friends, at one show they opened for REO (but played an equal amount of time) and at the next they were the final act behind John Waite and Kansas. In my objective opinion, I wouldn't consider this "hiding behind" other bands. However, everyone's entitled to their own opinions. Even as I type this, someone out there could possibly be telling a friend (who wasn't even there) about these very same shows and referring to me as one of the "drunk and clueless" masses . . . (Note: didn't have a drop at any of the shows!)

[ek88]

while the numbers presented here are not factual, the editorial commentary is pretty dead on accurate. IMHO, we all take ourselves too seriously here ! there's still new music being pumped out by these really talented guys ( and Gowan too......) and if you live in the right area, you can still go see 'em play it live !

The rest is all irrelevent to nearly the entire rest of the civilized world ! Have fun, enjoy the music while theres still time, and the Geritol is still working ! In 10 years if were all still here, It wouldnt surprise me if at least one of the main 3 players is being referred to in the past tense......( though I hope not...)

Great post, classic! Well said and much needed! Considering how some (or a few, or most, take your pick) of us here can't seem to resolve our differences, you'd think that we, of all people, could understand why the boys in Styx are no longer together. Quite a few of us can't seem to agree or get along on an internet forum (much less put an album together), yet we criticize DDY, JY and Tommy for similar behavior. Maybe we fans have more in common with them than we realize.

Anyway, you're right, classic. Enjoy it if you like it, stay away from it if you don't.

[swwskj]

Everyone,

This has turned out to be quite the popular thread. Valid points made on all sides, everyone offering answers to a question that has not even been asked....Does touring/media coverage/concert attendance legitimize the current "Styx" line-up as Real?

The answer is still a resounding-NO!

A great band? A great way to spend a summer Saturday night? A worthwhile purchase at the CD store? These questions are answered by the beholder. Neither side has a monopoly of the truth on their side for these questions.

But the answer to "is this band still REAL Styx question?" is still spelled N-O.

Once again this does not make going to the "Nu Styx" show an otherwise bad experience. It does not mean that Cyclorama isn't a well crafted complete album. It says nothing of sales of a DDY solo live PBS show double CD that take seemingly forever to arrive.

We keep banging our heads against the wall trying to be even more creative in our rationale for our differing stands, yet the rudimentary question remains answered the same way. As long as TS, JY and DDY are on different stages, Real Styx exists only via smoke and mirrors.

Ask yourself this question. If Paul McCartney and Ringo hired a Bass player and another guitarist and then called themselves the Beatles, would they actually be the Beatles-NO!

They could (and no doubt would) sell out any venue they chose to perform at. They would surely sell millions of records. The concerts would be incredible shows, but when the house lights come up, they still are not the Beatles.

This is where we stand with Styx. Your perception and hence your reality may indeed be that they are legitimate, or at the very least are Styxesque in spirit.

If you believe this, you are as TS once wrote-Fooling Yourself.

Scott

[classicstyxfan]

Well said Scott, I have to agree with you there, and I did enjoy Cyclorama, and am considering catching the boys in Lake Delton in August. There is a magic the "classic lineup" had that no matter how hard they try, TS and JY will never capture with anyone else. Will it be good with someone else ? sure....will it measure up to what they once were ? not for me.......even if they re-unite with DDY.

I compare it to a great athelete...a perfect example would be comparing Wizards era Jordan to Bulls era Jordan. Wizards era Jordan was good, but nothing compared to Jordan 7-10 years earlier.

We have our memories, we have a great DVD ( RTP ) and we can catch glimpses of what was by seeing either camp in concert in 2004.

to quote Tommy, "life......is good" and :"every tthing is cool in the land of the brave new world"

[froy]

Well said Scott, I have to agree with you there, and I did enjoy Cyclorama, and am considering catching the boys in Lake Delton in August.

You Mean The Wisconsin Dells ?
I have a summer home up there
Where are they playing the Crystal Palace ?
Just think years ago they sell out THE MGM GRAND in Vegas
Today they play the wisconsin dells .

There is a magic the "classic lineup" had that no matter how hard they try, TS and JY will never capture with anyone else.

Not even with Dennis / Gowan?

Will it be good with someone else ?

Nope

will it measure up to what they once were ?

Nope

not for me.......even if they re-unite with DDY.

So if they get back together and the setlist included.

You Need Love
Lords of The Rings /The Message
Pieces of 8
Paradise
Queen of Spades
Man In The Wilderness.
Im Okay
Born For Adventure
Sing For The Day
Lights
Why Me
Half Penny


You mean to tell me that would not blow you a freakin away.
After that tour they get back in the studio and Dennis brings out the Oberhiem , Shaw brings out the aucustic and JY is just the legend .
You mean to tell me your not happier than you are now?

I would be .

I compare it to a great athelete...a perfect example would be comparing Wizards era Jordan to Bulls era Jordan. Wizards era Jordan was good, but nothing compared to Jordan 7-10 years earlier.

You forget Mike Jordan can't take his past out of the closet to rework it.
A great band can .
Classic Styx has really not been touched live
All of the songs I just mentioned have really never been played live .
If they did a set like this It would blow everyone away ,

We have our memories, we have a great DVD ( RTP ) and we can catch glimpses of what was by seeing either camp in concert in 2004.

There's more to it than that.
We still have a band using the name of Styx which is simply a falsehood.

to quote Tommy,

Please don't

[Monker]

Once again for the not so smart people like yourself .
Nobody writes songs like they did 20 years ago
From Dennis to Tommy to Elton To McCartney to Neil Diamond .
The only guy who get's grief for it is Dennis .

And, once again, you were comparing Dennis to Tommy. Tommy did not go off and start writing 'country' or 'southern' music....which is what YOU think his influence in Styx is (LOL). He continued to do what he has always done...melodic rock. He DOES write the same type of music he did in Styx...the difference is no where close to what Dennis has done.

Dennis has concentrated almost EXCLUSIVELY on broadway music

Dennis has been doing this since the 70's
He did the intro Claire De Lune into Ballerina that was a classical piece back in 77 . You just did not care about it back then.
I loved it .
He always brought theatrics into Styx and it sold big time.

You do know there is a difference between broadway music and classical, right?

He brought 'theatrics' influence into Styx' rock music...But, he has turned the corner into writing musicals which are not influenced by rock AT ALL. He's not doing things like the Who's "Tommy", or Pink Floyd's "The Wall", or even "Kilroy Is Here"....He is doing Hunchback and "10 On Broadway"...the closest he has come to rock is performing in "Jesus Christ Superstar".

Don't for get What If, Little Girl World, Girls With Guns, Manic Monday, She Cares, Cold War ect , Nobody gives him any flack for it like they do Dennis .

Why should they? Like I said, he is all over the map, and always has been. That hasn't changed, and I doubt it ever will.

Dennis HAS changed the type of music he writes and performs.

And he also wrote Babe Styx's only number 1 song.

Yeah, so? When was the last time he wrote a top 40 hit? "Show Me the Way", from over 10yrs ago? It's not like writing a hit song 25yrs ago has any influence over his songwriting of today.

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Well, make up your mind and quit changing your 'equasion'. Either 'impact' matters, or it doesn't.

Comparing your suggestion that Shaw has written 3 Fooling Yourself's than I can say they did not have impact.

and, I can say that Dennis hasn't had 'impact' since 1991. So, again, what is your point? It only matters if the subject isn't Dennis DeYoung? That is what you seem to be implying.

Dennis's Hunchback effort was a dream of his and it was not meant to get airplay or cause impact.

LOL! Now THAT is wishful thinking on your part. He STILL pushes it. He wanted it to be a successful musical from the beginning. He even used it during his PBS appearence, "If enough people call and donate, maybe we will see a full Hunchback production for PBS..." It may have been a dream...but it was a dream meant to be heard on Broadway and be successful and have 'impact'.

Cyclorama was a huge effort by Shaw to get impact

So was BNW. So was EotC. So was Kilroy. So was/is Hunchback.

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NOTHING that Dennis has done outside of Styx has had any 'impact' since "Desert Moon".

Not all true but close.
This Is The Time off Karate Kid got exposure.

And, I heard "Ocean" on the radio a few times too. So what? How is being on a soundtrack 'impact'? Did Perry's "I Stand Alone" have impact? I don't think so.

Styx is and always will be
Dennis DeYoung piano ballads and Oberhiem Synth riffs
Jy the legend on the hard rock side
And Shaw with a southern flare .
Chuck on Bass

Anybody who thinks there is 'souther flare' in Styx obviously doesn't know what he is talking about. Where is this 'southern flare' in Styx?

It's not all about theatrics...which is what Dennis wanted to turn it into for Kilroy.

Dennis has brought theatrics and concepts since the beginning of the band.

Yeah, but it isn't ALL theatrics...as in Kilroy. Having that INFLUENCE in Styx was a good thing. It made the band unique. But, turning JY, Tommy, and the P brothers into stage actors was NOT a good thing.

Opening Acts don't attract the majority of fans.
Styx was on the bill to collect a paycheck
Just like this summer .

I have never seen Styx OPEN for anybody. I think you are allowing your angst to show thru.

[Monker]

Does touring/media coverage/concert attendance legitimize the current "Styx" line-up as Real?

The answer is still a resounding-NO!

What makes the current Styx 'real' is the settlement between Dennis and the rest of the band. Styx is 'real'. Each fan has a choice on whether to accept it or not...just as they did when JC quit. Just as they did when Glen replaced Tommy. Just as they did when Tommy came back. Just as they did for BNW.

We keep banging our heads against the wall trying to be even more creative in our rationale for our differing stands, yet the rudimentary question remains answered the same way. As long as TS, JY and DDY are on different stages, Real Styx exists only via smoke and mirrors.

No, the Styx that was in existence 20yrs ago will never be again. But, that does not make the current band less legitiment to the fans that have followed them. Change DOES leave some behind...but that does not mean those who remain must believe they are following something that is not 'real'.

Ask yourself this question. If Paul McCartney and Ringo hired a Bass player and another guitarist and then called themselves the Beatles, would they actually be the Beatles-NO!

To maybe 100 people, maybe the answer is YES. Who are you to tell those 100 people they are wrong and the feelings and attraction they have for the Beatles that exists today is unjustified?
You could ask this same question about the Doors that exist today without Jim Morrison, or the Little River Band which exists without ANY of the original members. There is no need to invent scenerios - because these situations exist TODAY.

This is where we stand with Styx. Your perception and hence your reality may indeed be that they are legitimate, or at the very least are Styxesque in spirit.

If you believe this, you are as TS once wrote-Fooling Yourself.

Why? Because you say so? Were the people who said the same exact thing during EotC also correct?

Again, if there are not enough people to support the band, they will fail. But, right now there ARE...so they are as 'real' as can be expected...You do NOT HAVE to accept them, but you shouldn't deny those who do accept them their right to do so, or demean them by saying they are 'fooling themselves.'.

[froy]

Nobody writes songs like they did 20 years ago
From Dennis to Tommy to Elton To McCartney to Neil Diamond .
The only guy who get's grief for it is Dennis .


And, once again, you were comparing Dennis to Tommy. Tommy did not go off and start writing 'country' or 'southern' music....which is what YOU think his influence in Styx is (LOL). He continued to do what he has always done...melodic rock. He DOES write the same type of music he did in Styx...the difference is no where close to what Dennis has done

Right
She Cares is Melodic
Little Girl World that's melodic
Manic Monday that's melodic .
What if Melodic
Lonely School that's Melodic
Your way off again.

You do know there is a difference between broadway music and classical, right

Oh so when they take The Rock Opera Tommy and put that on broadway
We should all dump on The Who
Or Abba on Broadway
You can take any song and put it on broadway.
Dennis's songs in Hunchback fit perfectly within Styx
Paradise , While There's still time both great ballads

He brought 'theatrics' influence into Styx' rock music...But, he has turned the corner into writing musicals which are not influenced by rock AT ALL.

So what
You want 3 rock singers in the same band ?
Gowans crap on rama is not rock music so now what?

He's not doing things like the Who's "Tommy", or Pink Floyd's "The Wall", or even "Kilroy Is Here"....He is doing Hunchback and "10 On Broadway".

Nobody is doing cd's like that right now
And Rod Stewart did the same thing with his standards cd.
And BTW Hunchback is amazing
You will see it for yourself.
He did nothing from 10 on Broadway.

Don't for get
What If, Little Girl World, Girls With Guns, Manic Monday, She Cares, Cold War ect , Nobody gives him any flack for it like they do Dennis .

Why should they?

Why did they with Dennis ?

Dennis HAS changed the type of music he writes and performs.

When was the last time you saw Dennis ?
Look at his setlist is perfect right now .

And he also wrote Babe Styx's only number 1 song.


Yeah, so? When was the last time he wrote a top 40 hit?

Not an isssue.
When was the last time any 70's act had a top 40 hit?

Well, make up your mind and quit changing your 'equasion'. Either 'impact' matters, or it doesn't.

Comparing your suggestion that Shaw has written 3 Fooling Yourself's than I can say they did not have impact.

and, I can say that Dennis hasn't had 'impact' since 1991.

JY has never made an impact so out he goes by your logic.
And Gowan has never had an impact either .

Dennis's Hunchback effort was a dream of his and it was not meant to get airplay or cause impact.


LOL! Now THAT is wishful thinking on your part. He STILL pushes it.

Only at his concerts not to radio

"If enough people call and donate, maybe we will see a full Hunchback production for PBS..

He did not say that the guy who was interviewing him said that

Cyclorama was a huge effort by Shaw to get impact


So was BNW.

No it wasn't

So was EotC.

No it wasn't

So was Kilroy.

Yep and it was a great tour .

So was/is Hunchback.

Never saw any pub what's so ever .

And, I heard "Ocean" on the radio a few times too. So what? How is being on a soundtrack 'impact'? Did Perry's "I Stand Alone" have impact? I don't think so.

The video was on MTV all the time for TITT
That's how it got exposure
And again he puts Perry into this .

Anybody who thinks there is 'souther flare' in Styx obviously doesn't know what he is talking about. Where is this 'southern flare' in Styx?

Fooling Yourself
Shooz
Lights
they all have that southern flare.

I have never seen Styx OPEN for anybody. I think you are allowing your angst to show thru.

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So on the main event tour it was REO First
Styx second and then Journey /
Every night
Your not looking hard enough .

[swwskj]

Monker,

I attempted to write my post in such a way to not exclude anyone. But you are living proof that no matter what you say, someone will be offended.

I also mentioned that perception is reality and hence legitimacy. Just because you've got a court order saying you're Styx doesn't make it so.

If you think that what I was saying was demeaning, then you're just Fooling Yourself.

Your bestest buddy and fellow Red Dwarf fan,

Scott

[yogi]

A few posts back Froy talked about his song selection if the orginal band minus John P. got back together. My song selection for 'The Ultimate Styx Album Cut Concert Series would be:
1. Put Me On
2. I'm OK
3. Born For Adventure
4. Golden Lark
5. Midnight Ride
6. Love In The Midnight
7. Suite Madam Blue
8. Borrowed Time
9. Man In The Wilderness
10. Castle Walls
11. Lights
12. Queen Of Spades
13. These Are The Times
14. Lonely Child
15. Just Get Through This Night
16. One With Everything
17. Dear John ( Closing Song )
Now I am dreaming!! WHAT A SHOW !!!!!!!!!!!
I almost forgot the Encores: This Is Not A Test, Please, and Little Girl World( Just Kidding) The REAL ENCORES would be 'EVERYTHING IS COOL' 'GOODBYE ROSELAND', and 'On My Way'

[Monker]

I attempted to write my post in such a way to not exclude anyone. But you are living proof that no matter what you say, someone will be offended.

I am not 'offended'. I just think you are wrong in trying to define what the 'real' Styx is.

Just because you've got a court order saying you're Styx doesn't make it so.

Yes it does. Styx is Styx. There is nothing you can do about it. They were Styx when JC left. They were Styx when they moved on without Tommy. They are Styx now. A person does not have to like the change, but that doesn't mean it hasn't changed, or that they are not Styx.

If you think that what I was saying was demeaning, then you're just Fooling Yourself.

Well, unless you are joking, as you seem to be above, then yes it is demeaning. A statement such as that implies that your opinion is superior, that those who do hold that Styx is still 'real' without Dennis are somehow wrong, only because you believe your opinion holds more weight.

Your bestest buddy and fellow Red Dwarf fan,

Ah, yes, my Polymorph sig...It's more for the Journey forum then this one, where I am known for going about saying I'm God, and stuff. LOL. I just need a sausage and doughnut stand, and funky cardboard hats with humorous arrows through them...not sure what color, perhaps red or a nice hyper intelligent shade of blue.

[piecesofeight]

I also mentioned that perception is reality and hence legitimacy. Just because you've got a court order saying you're Styx doesn't make it so.
Scott

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[styxmike]

It will never happen, but here goes
1 QUEEN OF SPADES ( DRY ICE AND LAZER INTRO)
2 BLUE COLLAR MAN
3 MIDNIGHT RIDE
4 PIECES OF EIGHT
5 CRYSTAL BALL
6 LORDS OF THE RING
7 I'M OK
8 MAN IN THE WILDERNESS
9 CASTLE WALLS
10 THESE ARE THE TIMES
11 PARADISE / SHOW ME THE WAY / HAVENT WE BEEN HERE BEFORE (ACOUSTIC SECTION)
12 BORN FOR ADVENTURE
13 SUITE MADAME BLUE
14 ONE WITH EVERYTHING
15 BEST OF TIMES
ENCORES -1 GREAT WHITE HOPE 2 COME SAIL AWAY

as this is my fantasy it would have to be at the JJB STADIUM , WIGAN, ENGLAND LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[swwskj]

Monker,

O.K. we agree to disagree. You mentioned that over at the Journey Board you make God references, well I feel that if my opinion about "real" Styx were in the bible it would be in red print (ha ha!).

I'm glad to see you have a sense of humor, because I was about to accuse you of being the double action centerfold in Big Boys in Boots.

Scott

[froy]

A few posts back Froy talked about his song selection if the orginal band minus John P. got back together. My song selection for 'The Ultimate Styx Album Cut Concert Series would be:
1. Put Me On
2. I'm OK
3. Born For Adventure
4. Golden Lark
5. Midnight Ride
6. Love In The Midnight
7. Suite Madam Blue
8. Borrowed Time
9. Man In The Wilderness
10. Castle Walls
11. Lights
12. Queen Of Spades
13. These Are The Times
14. Lonely Child
15. Just Get Through This Night
16. One With Everything
17. Dear John ( Closing Song )
Now I am dreaming!! WHAT A SHOW !!!!!!!!!!!
I almost forgot the Encores: This Is Not A Test, Please, and Little Girl World( Just Kidding) The REAL ENCORE would be 'On My Way'

Now if this show were to ever happen how much of a buzz would it be?
The key thing here is it would take Dennis back in the band to make it happen .
Unlike a athelete these guys have not lost there skills /

[maxell]

I have to say that I still like Cyclorama. But a show like that would convince everybody, maybe even Monker.

[classicstyxfan]

I think it's great to dream, and I would love to see any of the shows you guys have laid out for the 3rd coming of the Classic lineup. But on this of all days ( DDY's birthday ) it is time for all of you to wake up and smell the coffee !

I'm not sure if it's Dennis' 57th or 58th b-day today. but whichever one it is, he's coming up on age 60. Correct me if I'm wrong, but short of a deep freeze in hell, we are a few years away from any seroius attempt at reconciliation.....making Dennis 60 at the earliest when it would take place.

Now I cant tell you when it will happen, but at some point, these guys won't be able to rock and roll like they used to, even if they want to !
you might want to refute that argument by pointing to the Rolling Stones, but IMO, they are but a parody of what they once were. Folks, time is running out.....with no resolution to the deep rift between the boys anywhere in sight.

Do you think Dennis will be any more eager to tour "hard" ( more than 2 shows per week ) than he is today a few years down the road ? I'm betting when the grandkids start coming, and for all I know they already have.......Dennis will have more interest in spending quality time with them than with us diehard Styx fans......and frankly, if I am right, I dont blame him a bit !

I dont claim to know what motivates him more than any of you do, just my observations of most people in his age group lead me to these conclusions.

I sure hope I am wrong, but I wouldnt bet any real money of mine on the "3rd coming" reunion tour ever happening.....
Do you think Tommy will want to slow down to accomodate Dennis ? I'm thinking, not a chance.

[Monker]

I also mentioned that perception is reality and hence legitimacy. Just because you've got a court order saying you're Styx doesn't make it so.
Scott

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And, as someone famous once wrote, "Reality is frequently inaccurate."

[yogi]

I didnt want to start a new ASSEMBLY LINE, and this one is being shown alot of love by all of us. I have a question I hope someone out there can answer. I was listening to Styx ll yesterday. On the song Father O.S.A. What does O.S. A. stand for? This may be a stupid question, but I dont have a clue as to the answer.

[classicstyxfan]

Yogi, a good question....I dunno, but I expect Froy to hit this one out of the park !

Froy ? anyone else ? I will truly be impressed by the anyone who can answer this !

[Monker]

Yogi, a good question....I dunno, but I expect Froy to hit this one out of the park !

Froy ? anyone else ? I will truly be impressed by the anyone who can answer this !

I can't remember...

Order of Saint Augustine? Something like that, I think.

[yogi]

Classic, I just went on the Styxworld website and you can download the lyrics to all the songs off of Styx ll. I downloaded Father O.S.A. I read through the lyrics, and I STILL have ABSOLUTELY NO clue what O.S.A. stands for. could Dennis have meant U.S.A.? I doubt it but.............

[yogi]

Monker. if you are correct I will be TOTALLY impressed. If your answer is correct ,what does it mean in the text of the song. I hate to say this, but based on how well SOME of you think you know what lyrics are suppose to mean(Cyclorama) what does this mean?

[yogi]

I have one more vexing question. Log on to the Styxworld Web Site. Then log on to the studio albums section. The albums appear to be in chronological order, but are they? It has 'The Serpent Is Rising' as Styx's second album. Wasnt Styx ll their second album?