New STYX line up

by **LordofDaRing** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 7:16 am

Here is an idea for a new line up: Tommy, RP, Todd (still think he is awesome), Gowan and DDY...yup I said it, two keyboard players. If you want to hit those classic STYX songs, how bout those wonderul layered keyboards live on stage, plus the added dimenison of better harmonies. You can hire an unnamed guitarist with twice the talent and half the ego to fill in for the so called "godfather" of STYX. Dreaming you say, maybe not. You get the feeling that JY and Dennis will never play together again. I don't seem to get the same vibe with Tommy and Dennis the two true songwriting masters (yes I said it) in this band. Why necessarily give LG the boot. Nothing is written that two keyboard players/singers cannot exist in the same band. Hell boston toured a few years back with three lead singers on stage. Yes has toured with all components of their long great historical partnerships. Well what are you waiting for ....start the debate!

by **thebook** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 10:31 am

LordofDaRing wrote:Here is an idea for a new line up: Tommy, RP, Todd (still think he is awesome), Gowan and DDY...yup I said it, two keyboard players. If you want to hit those classic STYX songs, how bout those wonderul layered keyboards live on stage, plus the added dimenison of better harmonies. You can hire an unnamed guitarist with twice the talent and half the ego to fill in for the so called "godfather" of STYX. Dreaming you say, maybe not. You get the feeling that JY and Dennis will never play together again. I don't seem to get the same vibe with Tommy and Dennis the two true songwriting masters (yes I said it) in this band. Why necessarily give LG the boot. Nothing is written that two keyboard players/singers cannot exist in the same band. Hell boston toured a few years back with three lead singers on stage. Yes has toured with all components of their long great historical partnerships. Well what are you waiting for ....start the debate!

interesting perspective... yes JY must go (reluctantly of course).

by **classicstyxfan** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 10:34 am

Only if the unnamed Guitarist can sing...so Gowan doesn't have to!
His voice just doesnt blend with the others up to my standards for Styx.
I do like the Dual Keyboards idea though. You still have the problem of Tommy wanting to tour non stop, and Dennis being ( at best ) a weekend warrior to get past.....so I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.....

Tommy and JY appear to see eye-to-eye on this issue.

by **yogi** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 12:09 pm

I'll bite on this. Ive got a solution for the Dennis (I will only play the weekend shows) Deyoung. For the midweek shows Dawn (Braless) Marie could take Dennis's place. She can do 'Paradise', and the other Broadway tunes Dennis likes to do in his shows. Hell, I bet Tommy would go for that one, since his current wife cant be out past nine on school nights. As for JY hes GOT to stay. He's been through it ALL. His legendness cant die now!! Is legendness a word??? If its not it should be Mr. Webster!! Heres a JY solution for all you Type 1's. Listen up. Like Fonzie(the King of Cool??), put JY on the bongos and muzzle him. Are you happy now???? I think I've solved all the Styx problems. To think I'm not even'like family'!!!

by **LordofDaRing** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 1:24 am

Yogi after your braless Dawn comment you completely lost me........for good reason. Classic, I am not sure that Tommy is the biggest supporter of the endless touring, I still maintain that is a JY issue. Of course if he did not commit, you would think that they would have to pull the plug on actually calling this STYX, but logic doesn't seem to always prevail. Cudos to Tommy for gutting it out, but I would think that he must be in better shape financially with the song writing royalties then the reluctant one....

by **froy** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 1:27 am

LordofDaRing wrote:Yogi after your braless Dawn comment you completely lost me........for good reason. Classic, I am not sure that Tommy is the biggest supporter of the endless touring, I still maintain that is a JY issue. Of course if he did not commit, you would think that they would have to pull the plug on actually calling this STYX, but logic doesn't seem to always prevail. Cudos to Tommy for gutting it out, but I would think that he must be in better shape financially with the song writing royalties then the reluctant one....

That's just it
He sold his stake off Styx royalties to Dennis .
Not sure if he got it back

by **LordofDaRing** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 1:32 am

Ahhhhhhhhhh, you are right my friend ....forgot about that one, good catch.

by **yogi** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 2:14 am

Acting like you know the finances of the members of Styx has to be one of the( funniest insights???) I have read hear. You make it come off as fact, damn thats funny. I have heard JY is sooooo poor they cut off the electricity in his trailer, he damn near froze to death this winter. If it wasnt for the warm hotel rooms, and the catered food he would be dead by now. Do you know after the shows are over JY sneaks the left overs back to his hotel room. Then at the end of each tour he smuggles it back home and puts it in his trailer's ice chest. Sometimes, when Styx is not touring and if he has gas money JY will pull his van down by the river, snort coke, and curse the day he sold off all his roalities to Dennis. Next tell us the one about Chuck, the Navy, and all of their financial portfoilos.Pleassse tell us mooore stories Mr & Mr Merrill Lynch.

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 2:30 am

OMG YOGI!!!! Yes, it's Friday and that post just made my weekend!!! :lol:

I'm sure the band's contracts have been changed so much over the years, I don't think anyone could keep track. Who knows? And who knows what each of their lifestyles are anyway (except Yogi knows-LOL)

by **piecesofeight** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 4:24 am

yogi wrote:Acting like you know the finances of the members of Styx has to be one of the( funniest insights???) I have read hear. You make it come off as fact, damn thats funny. I have heard JY is sooooo poor they cut off the electricity in his trailer, he damn near froze to death this winter. If it wasnt for the warm hotel rooms, and the catered food he would be dead by now. Do you know after the shows are over JY sneaks the left overs back to his hotel room. Then at the end of each tour he smuggles it back home and puts it in his trailer's ice chest. Sometimes, when Styx is not touring and if he has gas money JY will pull his van down by the river, snort coke, and curse the day he sold off all his roalities to Dennis. Next tell us the one about Chuck, the Navy, and all of their financial portfoilos.Pleassse tell us mooore stories Mr & Mr Merrill Lynch.

ROTFLMAOBT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by **LordofDaRing** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 1:08 pm

Almost spotted the humor in that one. Admittingly knowing very little actually about the music business, I know that song writing royalties are the big pay off. And for the millionth time, James JY Young never wrote a hit. No, not even the overplayed in concert Miss America was or ever will be a hit. The bands obsessive touring, Mr Young's complaining about not getting a paycheck for a volkswagon commercial featuring a song that he has publicly ridiculed from an album/tour he claims brought the band down plus the most recent comments from Jack Blade about the screwed up Night Ranger/STYX billing that ended before it really got started over dollars (yeah I will go ahead and blame the reluctant one) all lead me to think that JY is worse off financially than Dennis. Does it mean he is headed for the double wides on the south side, no, just needs he needs to keep kicking out those monthly greatest hits and dreadful live CDs the band insists on "creating" to maintain his current standard of living.

by **Adam** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 4:27 am

I believe JY is in MUCH better shape financially than Tommy Shaw. JY is the better businessman. Here's my take on Tommy:

1. He was married.
2. His band (Styx) became very successful
3. Just after that band's peak he got a divorce at a time when he was worth most.
4. He lost at least half his money right there.
6. He got married again and had a kid.
7. His new band (Damn Yankees) became very succesful.
8. He got another divorce - at a time when he was worth most again - but he had more than alimony to xcontend with - he had CHILD SUPPORT
9. He probably lost his shirt and then the well began to dry up. Neither Styx nor Damn Yankees ever got back to making the kind of money they made in their glory days. Now he tours, like Lynrd Skynrd and Great White 365 days a year to pay for his 3rd wife's extravagant needs.

As far as DeYoung, he's probably doing fine. Same with Chuck. I contend Shaw is the reason they play non-stop. Well, him and his Col Tom Parker...

Adam
(P.S. Shaw's Col Parker managed Joe Stark, John Waite and Bad Company. Guess who he manages now? A pair of blonde twins who will also be going on the road with Styx this summer. Hmmmm...Do the math, people.)

by **Ash** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 5:44 am

then can someone explain why JY sounds so damn angry at the mention of Dennis' name? is it just me or is there some kind of defensive mechanism which kicks in. I mean... if he's so ashamed of Styx' past... I just don't get it.

IMHO Dennis is far better without these guys. I frankly no longer have any desire to see a Styx reunion with DDY and I hope it doesn't happen - because that means someone sold out.

by **ek88** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 11:44 am

I wonder sometimes if JY and Tommy are angry at themselves for going along with the whole Kilroy album. They were already unhappy with the way the Styx sound was going, and then Kilroy just demolished it. Also makes me wonder how the 80's would've gone with an album similar to Pieces Of Eight (or even Paradise Theater) in lieu of Kilroy Was Here. Not to mention, I think JY and Tommy would've preferred a regular stadium tour versus the theatrical one. (I've watched Caught In The Act, and personally I would've demanded my money back after seeing JY and the Panozzos dancing around the stage during Heavy Metal Poisoning

). Anyway, it's all water under the bridge, but I do think some of the regrets and anger come from the Kilroy decisions. Success is a double-edged sword. All the money and popularity probably made it more tempting to go along with Dennis' ideas, even if they didn't care for them artistically.

by **piecesofeight** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 12:03 pm

ek88 wrote:I wonder sometimes if JY and Tommy are angry at themselves for going along with the whole Kilroy album. They were already unhappy with the way the Styx sound was going, and then Kilroy just demolished it. Also makes me wonder how the 80's would've gone with an album similar to Pieces Of Eight (or even Paradise Theater) in lieu of Kilroy Was Here. Not to mention, I think JY and Tommy would've preferred a regular stadium tour versus the theatrical one. (I've watched Caught In The Act, and personally I would've demanded my money back after seeing JY and the Panozzos dancing around the stage during Heavy Metal Poisoning ). Anyway, it's all water under the bridge, but I do think some of the regrets and anger come from the Kilroy decisions. Success is a double-edged sword. All the money and popularity probably made it more tempting to go along with Dennis' ideas, even if they didn't care for them artistically.

Ek, I agree with you about where some of the anger may come from. I sometimes think about everything that we now know and everything that has been said and myself too have wondered about how they could have or why they did go along with Dennis if he was such a ahole and control freak.
I know a lot of this is who the hell really knows, but that's what's entertainng to me about these boards-sharing OUR thoughts.
It could be that at the time JY and Tommy went along with Dennis for a paycheck or they hoped he would get it out of his system and go back to a real rock record. It could be too now that it easier to just slam what didn't work, what gets made fun of or what killed the band.
I quit following Styx for a while even when Paradise Theatre came out, and when the whole Kilroy came thing out, I actually gave up on them for awhile. I thought everything about Kilroy sucked. I now have come to sort of appreciate Kilroy's pop culture revival.
What's even crazier is why JY would stay with a band and a control freak that he now says such horrible things about. Come on, one can only assume that he did because it was he had. Just after everything that we know now, and what JY keeps saying about Dennis, it does raise eyebrows about how he stayed on and did EOTC.

by **Ash** » Wed Mar 17, 2004 1:14 pm

likely because JY is a follower not a leader. I think Tommy Shaw provided the catalyst for him to express his disdain for Dennis. By this thinking a case could be made that he used Dennis during the EOTC era to make a buck - and he's doing the same with Tommy Shaw now. If Tommy quit and Dennis came back (which would *never* happen) I'm betting JY is just spineless enough to go with the flow in the name of the check.

by **GaryS** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 3:02 am

Here is the truth. I was backstage with Styx and I saw RP lend JY 20 bucks and later on in the night Tommy hit me up for ten for cab fare. So maybe this post is correct in that they are in financial trouble.

by **classicstyxfan** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 8:46 am

Wow, this sheds light on a few things.....perhaps Burtnik left the band because he got tired of getting hit up for all the little $10 and $20 loans ?

I wonder if Ricky had to disclose his personal balance sheet before joining ?

I can hear the meeting now.......

TS: Hey guys....it says here Ricky has $150,000 in highly liquidable Money market accounts and 12 and 24 month CD's, and overall he is worth over 400 K....

JY: Great, I'll be able to hit him up for expenses for the next 2 or 3 tours !

Todd: Yeah, but has he still got the chops ?

Gowan: and can he sing great like me ? ( muffled laughter heard here...)

JY: Who cares, he can BUY the chops at the hotel after each show !

TS: Boys, I think we've found our new bass player.

by **DeeJaySTYX** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 9:04 am

JY: Welcome to the band Ricky..Let's celebrate by having dinner, YOUR TREAT..

DeeJay...

by **bugsymalone** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 10:00 am

Is this why Current Styx is "limo-ing" to their shows in a Geo Metro?

Bugsy

by **GaryS** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 2:58 pm

"I've got thousands of friends and the fun never ends as long as JY is buying...." ! Who said that? :roll:

by **yogi** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 2:12 am

Yogi must apologize. I am a big enough man to admit when I have made a mistake. Well I have made some errors, and it's time for me to own up to them. I have ALWAYS underestimated most of you Yokoites in regards to your Styx knowledge. I have felt most of you slant the facts to benefit your lameass arguments on behalf of your blind diehard love for the literary genius'es husband. Ive been wrong!! OK? I admit it!! My biggest error has been in my ignoring how MUCH most of you know about the finances of the individual members of the band. BOOOOYYYY were ALLL of you right!!

I hate to ask you Yokoites do this but it will make most of you soooo very happy. You need to log on to the Styxworld web site. Then log onto the latest Tommy Shaw note. It's the one where he is on the beach( mouth wide open). If you look real hard on the far left lower corner of the picture you will see JY on the beach way off in the background. What he is doing there is picking up cans and putting them in a large trash bag. I know he is not having to do community service. So this must be to help him make ends meet. Poor guys got to eat I guess. After you see this photo, click on to Tommy's Palm Beach note, and picture. You will see Tommy relaxing in his hotel room. Things must be damn tough. If you look on the bed in Tommy's hotel room picture you will see a little card. Its right next to the White Castle wrappers, The card reads ' Welcome To The Motel 6', damn thats rough. Motel 6, thats a long way from 'Paradise' Also look waayy off in the back upper right of that same photo. In the last dumpster thats JY coming out of it. Poooor Styx, and dumbass me for not believing you about their financial situation.

I'm stunned Glen even had 20 bucks to lend JY, and Thank you Gary for lending Tommy 20 bucks. Because you lent him that money Jeanne got to go on her class field trip to Cost Cutters Hair Studio. My bad for not recognizing the TRUTH when I had heard it earlier!!

by **Ash** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 2:32 am

is it just me or is Tommy Shaw *TRYING* to look like Kurt Kobain?

by **yogi** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 3:54 am

It's just you!!!

When you get a chance purchase Three Piece Suite. You can find it on E-bay from time to time. It was a major bargin back in the day. 3 WHOLE videos on one VHS tape all for the minimal asking price of $24.95. Watch the first video. It's Desert Moon. Tell me what you think of guitar playing Dennis Springsteen.

by **classicstyxfan** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:20 am

Dear Yogi,

I'm having Classic type this message in for me, because. as you know, times are a little tough right now, and AOL revoked my membership for a tiny little past due balance. Classic was kind enough to accept the chjarges when I called him using 1-800-COLLECT.

Thank You Yogi, for your undying support of Tommy, myself and the boys......it's good to know we still have true fans like you out there. Now , I was wondering.....since sales of our lastest compilation won't be hitting full stride for another month or 2, could you spare a brother a couple of Hundred ? ONLY until those
royalty checks start flowing, you understand....then I'll be able to pay you back....Heck, I'll probably net a few grand off of Miss America alone, that song has been there for me TIME AFTER TIME
when I need a few bucks.....by the way, I gave Dennis that line out of Suite Madame Blue, that's a little known fact.

If you can send the money, just reply here....Classic knows which cardboard box I'll be sleeping in.....he'll get back with you regarding where to wire the money.

Sincerely,

Your Reluctant Legend......J.Y.

by **bugsymalone** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:26 am

Everybody knows that guitar case was empty in the Desert Moon video. He filled it up with beer to take to the party the next day.

I liked the red Mustang convertible a lot --- wouldn't have minded a ride in that pony at all.

As to Three Piece Suite. What counted there was quality as opposed to quantity.
Those were three very nicely done videos with excellent production values and three really great songs with a very video friendly person as the central subject.
Whatever it cost then, and what it fetches on eBay now, are entirely worth it.

Bugsy

by **yogi** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 5:08 am

Dear JY,

I will send you the money but with strings attached. First off, since your wife has stuck by you through thick and thin( from caviar to dumpsters) I feel its only fitting that when I see you guys perform in San Antonio you bring her out on stage and perform Babe. You must sing the lead JY.

Secondly, I want Gowan to sing the title track from the Way-Outs first album., and I want Born for Adventure added to your San Antonio set.

Third, Styx has always been a sort of concept band even before Paradise Theatre, and Kilroy Was Here. I would like Dennis back in the current band. You seem to be the one who is really anti-Dennis. To prove you can forgive and forget I want you to go to the rest of the band, and make sure the concept for your next album is based on the literary masterpiece' A Love Foretold'. There somehow needs to be songs in this concept that include barbers, Easy Bake Ovens, playing with your wife in the sand box,then taking your wife to the prom, Motel 6's and dumpsters, and finally braless sister-in-laws that perform in public. The cover for this CD should be a bunch of salivating dogs looking up into trees that are full of Subway sandwiches. You do # 3 and it's in good faith, I am confident Dennis will come running back.

Finally, and this is for the fans, we need Blue Collar Man, Fooling Yourself, and Mrs America on a new CD with the lost verses. This will sell if you add these to Lady, Come Sail Away, The Best Of Times, The Grand Illusion, Babe, and Dont Let It End. Gowan must sing lead on the others. Its what the fans want!!!!!!

JY, you do the above, and I will lend you 100 bucks!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks Classic, and please give JY the message.
(Yogi)

by **bugsymalone** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 5:37 am

I know I am new here, but it looks like someone named...let me see here....Yogi has been sampling the beer out of Dennis' guitar case from the Desert Moon video.

Do you always drink like that before you post, Mr. Yogi??

Bugsy

by **DeeJaySTYX** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 5:50 am

bugsymalone wrote:I know I am new here, but it looks like someone named...let me see here....Yogi has been sampling the beer out of Dennis' guitar case from the Desert Moon video.

Do you always drink like that before you post, Mr. Yogi??

Bugsy

Of course he does..He sips it from the bra that Dawn Marie never wears...

DeeJay...

by **yogi** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 8:52 am

Thats FUNNY Dee Jay!!!!!

MR

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