Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame

[Ash]

Hey - I just read about the petition to get the guys into the R&R Hall Of Fame..... I think it needs to be specified that we do not want this CURRENT lineup of Sty(n)x in the hall of fame, but the classic lineup of DeYoung,Shaw,Young, Panozzo and Panozzo. Given the band's recent attitude toward Dennis - it would NOT surprise me to see them try to get in on Dennis merrits and then he not be a part of the exhibit.

Could you imagine the induction ceremony? Wouldn't they all likely be there even if they weren't performing?

I think I would pay good money to be there to see Dennis sock JY right in his big fat piehole

All jokes aside.... that would be one of the weirdest things... being inducted into the R&R Hall Of Fame while on stage with DDY - and then the current bastardization playing the Last Stand Saloon down the street.

[DeeJaySTYX]

but the classic lineup of DeYoung,Shaw,Young, Panozzo and Panozzo.

John Curulewski should be included as well...




DeeJay....

[froy]

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quote="Ash"]Hey - I just read about the petition to get the guys into the R&R Hall Of Fame..... I think it needs to be specified that we do not want this CURRENT lineup of Sty(n)x in the hall of fame, but the classic lineup of DeYoung,Shaw,Young, Panozzo and Panozzo. Given the band's recent attitude toward Dennis - it would NOT surprise me to see them try to get in on Dennis merrits and then he not be a part of the exhibit.

Could you imagine the induction ceremony? Wouldn't they all likely be there even if they weren't performing?

I think I would pay good money to be there to see Dennis sock JY right in his big fat piehole

All jokes aside.... that would be one of the weirdest things... being inducted into the R&R Hall Of Fame while on stage with DDY - and then the current bastardization playing the Last Stand Saloon down the street.

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Not a chance in hell Styx is going into the RR hall
There Greed and Stupidity cost them a chance at that
No band that has replacements in them will be in the hall of fame
Journey included .

[ChicagoSTYX]

No band that has replacements in them will be in the hall of fame
Journey included .[/quote]

[b]Wrong again Froy[/b]
The Beach Boys
The Rolling Stones
The Who
Creedence Clearwater Revival
The Allman Brothers Band
Jefferson Airplane
Pink Floyd
The Eagles
Earth Wind & Fire
AC/DC

[froy]

No band that has replacements in them will be in the hall of fame
Journey included .

Wrong again Froy

The Beach Boys


Yea right


The Rolling Stones

Were In Before Wyman left


The Who

Yea what about them Moon Died he was not replaced .



Creedence Clearwater Revival

Again who was replaced?



The Allman Brothers Band

Not a big fan



Jefferson Airplane

Should not even be there.


Pink Floyd

Nobody repalced Waters he walked .



AC/DC

Bon died he was not replaced /

[Ash]

Yea what about them Moon Died he was not replaced .

Keith Moon was replaced by Faces drummer Kenny Jones for the Who's follow up to "Who Are You"... specifically "Face Dances" and the hit "You Better You Bet" and the seemingly awful by comparison "It's Hard".

Creedence Clearwater Revival

Again who was replaced?

Are you serious? Please tell me you're not serious! You cannot be serious! They replaced John Fogherty with some noname and continued to tour as Creedence Clearwater Revisited. Fogherty even refused to perform with them at the induction ceremony. It was a HUGE story. I mean... wow.

http://members.tripod.com/riverising/jo ... dence.html

[yogi]

Ash,
First off lets just get Styx in. OK????? As for the DDY joining them in Ohio. Hell yes if Styx is inducted Dennis would be there. Maybe JY and Dennis are at TOTAL odds RIGHT NOW. Still JY knows the value of Dennis to the legacy of Styx. He said it himself in the Behind the Music. Its a non issue.

As for how the band handles the DDY issues. I have said this numerous times before they are in a no win situation. If they plug DDY led songs, according to you 'Yokoites' they are milking Dennis. If they ignore his songs they are forgetting his legacy to the band. Its a no win situation. Since the fact remains he is no longer in Styx they do a pretty damn good job with this juggling act.

Lets just hope they get in. As for Dennis, if Styx makes it, he will be front and center and speaking at the induction ceremony.

[Ash]

I'm with you on getting Styx in.... I just want to be sure that the right people get in... and I find it hard to believe that JY's very appreciative of Dennis' efforts after all of his comments.

[froy]

Yea what about them Moon Died he was not replaced .

Keith Moon was replaced by Faces drummer Kenny Jones for the Who's follow up to "Who Are You"... specifically "Face Dances" and the hit "You Better You Bet" and the seemingly awful by comparison "It's Hard".

When your replaced you are still alive .
Moon had no choice
If he was alive he would not have been replaced.

Creedence Clearwater Revival

Again who was replaced?

Are you serious? Please tell me you're not serious! You cannot be serious! They replaced John Fogherty with some noname and continued to tour as Creedence Clearwater Revisited.

That's not the band that was inducted into the Hall.
And it's a different band name anyway .

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Here's some information about the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame. We'll talk about just Styx and not my opinions on how the hell did some of these other bands get in - LOL

What is the process for induction?
Leaders in the music industry joined together in 1983 to establish the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation. One of the Foundation's many functions is to recognize the contributions of those who have had a significant impact on the evolution, development and perpetuation of rock and roll by inducting them into the Hall of Fame.

What did Styx contribute? They were the first artist to have 4 multi-platinum albums in a row. Anything else?

Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artist's contribution to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll.

Styx had their first record released in 1972 so technically they were eligible in 1997. I would think if they are inducted, the members inducted would be Dennis, John P., Chuck, JY, John C. and Tommy. I personally wouldn't think Glen, Todd or Ricky would be included, seriously. If they were inducted, it would be the band 1983 and before. Sorry, but those are MY thoughts.

The Foundation's nominating committee, composed of rock and roll historians, selects nominees each year in the Performer category. Ballots are then sent to an international voting body of about 1,000 rock experts. Those performers who receive the highest number of votes, and more than 50 percent of the vote, are inducted. The Foundation generally inducts five to seven performers each year.

Good luck with Styx (& Journey & Rush) being inducted. Once there's a turnover in about 15 years of the 1,000 "rock experts", then they have a chance. Most of these "rock experts" are with the old school music and will over look the "arena" bands. Hopefully Van Halen will be inducted within 3 years, then there's a chance for Styx within 15 years or so.

To whom should I direct further questions about the induction process?
All aspects of the induction process are handled by the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation. It can be reached at 1290 Avenue of the Americas, New York, NY 10104. The Foundation does not have e-mail available.

I'm serious, I think we should all write a letter to see if Styx was ever considered. I'm curious if any of us would hear back.

The "on-line" petition going around is not going to work. Especially when a fan is adding their families and kids names. If there a real petition signed by fans at the Carrot Styx and Dennis' concerts with real names and addresses and mailed in - THIS would have a chance of working or having Styx noticed. If I had more time on my hands, I would love to actually get this started

[DeeJaySTYX]

'Yokoites'

That's funny, Almost as funny as

Rabid Dennis Fans


How about


Tommians

Burtnikers

GowanManiacs

Or how about

Reluctant Followers

I'M Sure that there are many of those out there....

Nice post SMB, but why would bands like Aerosmith and AC/DC be inducted And not STYX..Dont get me wrong,I like Aerosmith and AC/DC and I believe that they should be inducted, but what do they contribute that Styx Doesn't..Styx was voted most popular Rock band in 1980 according to the Gallup poll..They were also nominated for a Grammy award and won a Peoples Choice award...

I also agree that it should be the first six members of Styx inducted into the RRHF...

DeeJay...

[swwskj]

Deejay,

AcDc was never considered a "pop" band and hence they get in. Aerosmith was massively popular when their 25 year window opened. Van Halen will get in if for Eddie's guitar work if nothing else. Rush will get in before either Journey or Styx, due to the fact that they are a "musicians" band.

I don't think that the 1980 Gallup most popular band or the 4 consecutive multiplatinum albums will be enough to be honest. If they did get in, believe me EVERYONE would make nice. Just think if you crap on Roboto for 16 years and then get pissed 'cause you didn't get a cut of the Volkswagon commercial, you'll kiss ass and make nice to get into the hall.

By the way, I liked the reluctant followers. And I hear that in China, there are a bunch of fans of Tommy and Mr. Phillips..They're known as Rick-Shaws.. Doh!

Scott

[bugsymalone]

Suite, that was a terrific, informative post. Thanks for all that info.

I agree with Scott on this one. I don't look to see Styx EVER get into the R & R HoF.
The platinum albums would help, but it would take much more than simply that, and they were never a "respected" band.

I would think that, like Eddie Van Halen's guitar work, which might get Van Halen in, the vocal work of Dennis DeYoung MIGHT be a factor, but I sort of doubt it.

I have no doubt if Styx DID make it in, it would be the classic lineup with perhaps John C. as well, but not so sure about that either.

Bugsy

[DeeJaySTYX]

Thanks for the perspective Scott..I pretty much agree with you, but what about Johnny Cash?? That's right Johnny Cash in the RRHF...


Rick-Shaws Now that's Good...

DeeJay....

[classicstyxfan]

I think it's amazing the Prince ( the artist mistakenly refered to as talented......) is going to be in the R&R H.O.F. before Styx. Any credibility they had with me was gone on the day they announced that pick !

So, I no longer care, and I wont visit & give them any of my Rock and Roll dollars......that's the way to lash out at them, hit them on their bottom line, and encourage others to do so too.... no admission, no souvenirs, no positive word of mouth about my pilgrimage and no boost to the Cleveland economy.....until they put in a few of the bands from my era that belong there.

Perhaps if a few thousand of us sign a boycott pledge, maybe they will pay some attention to that !

[GaryS]

Prince did WAY more to change music than Styx. WAAAYYYYYYY more. First of all he wrote some amazing songs but unlike Styx he crossed over the racial barrier. How many blacks did you see at Styx shows in the late 70s/early 80s. Not many. Prince concerts however were made up of audiences diverse enough to pass for a UN meeting. It wasn't just Prince's audience that crossed over but his music too. On his cds he would go from straight out rock to straight funk and all over. He sang risque lyrics. He sang about AIDs, he sang about sex, he sang about drugs, he sang about masterbation etc. He broke ground and CHANGED the scence.
Styx didn't do that. I love Styx and that is why I come to this board but being a Styx fan and loving them the way that I do does not mean that they were better than they were. I can hear the arguments now that Snowblind was about drugs (puh-leeez) but the fact is Styx always went WITH what was popular and played it safe. Despite what Tommy has said about what he and JY wanted to do with Styx (rock harder) and what Dennis wouldn't let them do etc. the fact is they did what they did and although very good you shouldn't go knockin' Prince because Styx wasn't as progressive.
p.s. I am so tired of hearng Tommy and JY and everybody go on about how Styx wanted to rock harder from Cornerstone on. Do any of these people remember the Girls with Guns lp? Little Girl World? Lonely School? The Race is On? whew. Those songs rocked. Rocked me to sleep that is.
Ya'll have a nice day!!

[sadie65]

I'm not going to get into who is more deserving between Prince and STyx, but I will disagree with pushing boundaries and barriers. Styx touched on several controversial themes in their histories...Miss America, Rockin'The Paradise, Snowblind (yes it was about drug addiction), Christopher, Mr. Christopher, the whole Kilroy concept, Suite Madame Blue. Seriously, do you expect me/us to believe that the themes touched in these songs were less progressive than Prince? I don't think so.

Sadie

[GaryS]

a) Classic called Prince talentless AND said Styx was more talented. No way.
b) I am not a HUGE Prince fan. I have a few of his cds BUT I was alive and aware in the late 70s and early 80s and Prince had a way way way bigger impact on music (and fashion) than Styx could ever have even dreamed to have had. That point CANNOT BE ARGUED. It is a FACT.
c) Styx' little themes were soooooo contrived. Suite Madam Blue? Tail end of 75... what was the next year? Oh yeah... it was 1976. The bicentennial. HUGE USA movement. Uncle Sam was everywhere. Flags everywhere. And wow... Styx wrote a song for the party. Big suprise. I am not knockin' it I am just pointing out the fact. STYX WERE FOLLOWERS!!! NOT LEADERS!!! NOT GROUNDBREAKERS!!!
Prince was a leader and a groundbreaker. Can't argue that.
As for Snowblind. I know it was about drug addiction but it was shallow. Almost lame.
Again I am a Styx fan but please let us keep up our credibility by not knocking other artists. Especially the BIGGIES. Like Prince. Classic made a ridiculous statement and to defend it makes you look like a brainwashed Styx zombie.
p.s. If you are going to respond to this and try to slam me OR what I wrote please take a minute to THINK about what you are going to say. If you do that you will find there is nothing to respond.

[sadie65]

Wow. That's some nice attitude you have working there. I am not a Styx Zombie, nor did I defend Classic's position. I took issue with your assertion that Styx didn't write or contribute any controversial songs or stretch boundaries. Let's discuss Suite Madame Blue. Yep, it's about America (not celebration of her, rather her stagnation and loss of glory), hardly celebrating her. OY.

To further argue that Prince is WAY more deserving because he tackled barriers is not FACT, it's your OPINION. Perhaps you might look up the words. I respect your right to your opinion, but it doesn't make it FACT.

Both artists wrote songs about controversial issues. Both did them before and during the controversies. The only FACT that can be stated is that Prince was honored before Styx. Nothing more. Everything else, is perception. Kindly remember that before labelling me a Styx zombie or telling me to think before I post. Works both ways.

Ya'll have a nice day too.

Sadie

[GaryS]

Wrong, wrong and wrong.
I didn't say the ONLY reason Prince is deserving is because he tackled controv. issues. I said it was one of them.
It is a fact that he influenced music to the point of change. Again this is not an opinion it is a fact.
It is fact that Styx has not achieved this thus far.
Regardless of what Suite Madam Blue is about, it was a song with the word America repeated over and over and over which became popular during 1976. Wow. What a shocker.
I was not referring to you as a Zombie Sadie. It did read that way but it was not directed at you specifically.
The above are facts. Not opinions.
I would also like to compliment you Sadie on keeping your post to the topic. Most people are not able to do that.
Have a nice day.

[sadie65]

I don'trecall saying you said he (Prince) was ONLY inducted because he tackled controversial issues. And again, I would say your points are subjective, not necessarily fact. However, it's a moot point to continue to argue. Prince is in. Period. Nuff said there.

I don't tend to think Styx' lyrics were contrived, nor do I personally think that the use of the word America over and over again makes it being a follower (if you get my drift). The point is, the song was written prior to the Bicentennial, and it tried to deal with America's arrogance at resting on her laurels, again, hardly the celebratory theme of the time period.

Styx did what they did very well. I myself however, do not wish to debate whether or not they influenced the industry more than Prince or any other artist. What you may see as influential, I might see as benign. Such is life. And isn't it great that we have enough diversity amongst the world's artists to have these "discussions"?

Sadie

[Monker]

Do any of these people remember the Girls with Guns lp? Little Girl World? Lonely School? The Race is On? whew. Those songs rocked. Rocked me to sleep that is.

...and then came Damn Yankees.

[Monker]

Perhaps if a few thousand of us sign a boycott pledge, maybe they will pay some attention to that !

Yeah, right. I can already here somebody saying "let me know when there are 10,000 signitures and then we'll listen."

Sounds familiar, actually.

[Ash]

Damn Yankees also had something none of the solo records did..... Ted F**KING Nugent In fact, I think the third DY record was put on hold over Tommy's attempt to "styxify" or "shawify" the sound of it.

[kiddo]

[quote="SuiteMadameBlue"]Here's some information about the Rock n Roll
Ballots are then sent to an international voting body of about 1,000 rock experts. Those performers who receive the highest number of votes, and more than 50 percent of the vote, are inducted. The Foundation generally inducts five to seven performers each year.[/b]

Do we know how they define rock experts?

I claim to know little about the politics in rock music but I have to think each diluted version of Styx (Glen, Ricky,) reduces the band's chances of getting into the Hall even though it would be DeYoung, Panozzos x 2, Shaw and Young to garner the honor. Just a gut feeling.

For what it's worth, I can tell you Dennis has been considered for nomination into the Songwriters Hall of Fame on more than one occasion.

kiddo

[kiddo]

James Henke, chief curator at the Hall with input from others compiled a list of the 500 most influential songs on rock and roll and the artists who made them famous.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipea/A0150472.html

Maybe the politics is fairly easy to understand when you glance over the list. THE MONKEES???

kiddo

[classicstyxfan]

Prince did have a bigger influince on FASHION than Styx did....That's about
all I am willing to concede. except, Perhaps he had better publicists too.
Who gives a rats ass about the skin color of his concert attendees ? to me at least it's about the music, and ( again, my opinion ) Prince has to be the most overrated musician of my lifetime.

And if the Music of Prince has influinced the artists of today, I'd call that more of an indictment than a feather in his cap......I think it's interesting
that one of the current musical trends is kids raiding their Parents Music
collections, becuase it all sounds the same ( amnufactured ) today.

My 17 year old Niece had a sleepover a few years ago, and borrowed my Styx CD'S to listen to......didnt touch my Wife's Prince CD's....a small anecdote for sure, but to me it speaks volumes. Yet the critics fell all over crap like "Rasberry Beret" and " "When Doves Cry"

BTW, It would be interesting to compare overall sales between the 2....I honestly dont know who sold more.

[classicstyxfan]

xxxxxx

[classicstyxfan]

xxxxxx

[Ash]

I hear ya - my 14 year old nephew recently bought The Best of Styx.... I just don't think today's music is really giving kids anything to connect to. The last time kids connected with the music was Kurt Kobain. I never was one for Kurt's music, but thats the last time I remember kids really connecting with the music on a deeply personal level. I don't think it's really happened since - not even with all these new "metal/rock" style bands like Cold (which if you like Styx, you should give Cold a listen - Year of the Spider is a great record), Evanescense and Korn. Hell about the closest I can think of is Marilyn Manson - and I think that connection isn't strictly musically related (although I am a big, big fan of MM).