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by **GaryS** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:18 am

And Sadie continues to show that she doesn't have a clue as to what she is talking about.... How long can this go on?!!!

by **bugsymalone** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:20 am

I hesitated to rejoin this discussion, but did want to add that Dennis can own the intellectual rights to his work, but the video that was made is owned by the company who released it.

Same with the audio material. The music company owns the rights to the recordings.

Beyond that, there are all kinds of deals that are made for sharing in the profits of the sale of those recordings with the artists, the songwriters and the record company. I would assume that any unreleased material related to a specific project (in this case, Caught in the Act) would have been negotiated upon its original release.

Dennis (and Tommy and JY etc.) will make money from the eventual release of the Caught in the Act DVD, but likely have no control over when or whether it IS released.

If you are the resident "expert" on all of this, Gary, by all means, share the links or what you know. Tell us what Mr. DeYoung signed and what large contingent of lawyers etc. he has pulled together to file his "injunction." Please explain it to all of us so we can better understand the situtation.

I will check back here to see what you have posted .... puleeze.

Bugsy

by **sadie65** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:28 am

Bugsy,

Thanks for the info.

Gary, you continually shoot off your fingers and when challenged, present nothing as back up. You ask how long can this go on? Well, as far as I'm concerned, it's done. You've proven none of your allegations. And you did that very well.

I'll apologize to everyone else here for taking up their reading time with this nonsense.

Again, Bugsy, thanks.

Sadie

by **GaryS** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:36 am

1) Sadie called me "resident expert". I never said that.
2) Even IF Dennis signed releases for days he can STILL file for an injunction. Happens all of the time. It is up to the courts whether or not to grant one. Anything can gum up a release... Added material, change of format. ANYTHING. Whether it turns out to be a speed bump OR a brick wall is just a matter for time to decide BUT it will slow things down.
3) I never said Dennis did file one. I said I would bet he is behind the delay which WAS scheduled for the 4th of May I believe.
I am not trying to sound like a know it all but I do know a lot about this kind of thing. Also I didn't start an argument. I made a statement and Sadie attacked me on a personal level which is something that people just do to other people sometimes.

by **GaryS** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:42 am

...and Sadie, I backed up everything I said. You can say that I haven't but I have.

by **piecesofeight** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:47 am

Come on guys, take it to the PM before Andrew bans us too!

by **classicstyxfan** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 9:12 am

And Froy said "this board is dead" ..... :lol:

If the record companies and those who released the video's are in control, that would not surprise me in the least.....seems a common story that many artists sold off the rights to their music, publishing, etc.....in what turned out to be very bad business moves.

On the other hand, Dennis isnt exactly homeless these days is he ? perhaps he does have more control than many give him credit for ???
( he DOES seem to like / crave control, doesnt he ......) I think he's a bright individual, but I dont see what the downside is to a CITA release
for him ? I'm guessing beyond a few thousand die hards, it won't sell much anyways.

I think the one thing we can be sure of is that NONE OF US who post here really knows with certainty one way or the other.

If Gary wants to believe Dennis is really the ANTICHRIST masquerading as a middle aged musician, that's OK with me....Perhaps there are those here who think he is incapable of doing anything wrong too....thats fine as well. I enjoy the passion being displayed on all sides, but lets all keep personal attacks to a minimum, that's crossing the line.

As one donasour rocker once wrote......"It's only Rock and Roll" ( but I like it ! )

by **sadie65** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 9:15 am

No worries frome me folks. I don't intend to continue with this. It shoul;dn't have gotten this far. Again, I'll apologize.

I disagree with Gary on this topic, but I guess we already know that. :lol:

All is good.

Peace

Sadie

by **bugsymalone** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 11:10 am

And let me apologize as well. I was the one calling Gary the "resident expert." I simply wanted you to back up with proof positive that Dennis could or would be blocking the re-issue of the CITA DVD.

No proof has been offered. Lots of maybes and coulda's etc. and that is also coming from me because I honestly do not know either.

MOST artists sign deals with companies to release their recorded material and in doing so give up the distribution rights to the music. They retain the intellectual property rights to what they write. If they are only singing what someone else wrote, then they have even less control.

NO one knows what deals Dennis and the rest of the members of Styx made in the past or have made in the present. THEY are not going to tell us, that is for sure.

My GUESS is that the company who owns the rights to the CITA DVD are holding off while the anthology CD and the DVD video collection are released.

I simply find it difficult to believe Dennis would stop the release of something that was near and dear to his heart at the time and still remains so.

No hard feelings I hope. I certainly did not intend for this "discussion" to deteriorate into name calling or anything else.

Have a great Sunday everyone. Or is it Monday in Australia???

Bugsy

by **GaryS** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 1:11 pm

The truth is I never said Dennis WAS holding up the release, I said I bet he is which are two different things. I STILL bet he is...and I backed up how he could be doing it IF he is. For the record I don't think anybody is the ANTICHRIST except for my good buddy Suede or MAYBE my younger brother.
ps... Has anybody checked the sales of the new Prince cd? They are HUGE.

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 2:42 pm

Overall this is a pretty group of Styx fans, old and new Styx. I don't think we need any bad language on here, it's not necessary.

SpaceAce, I'm not sure if Dennis alone could've patented the rights to Kilroy since Styx as a group performed it, not sure, good question on Kilroy (it was not a stupid thought).

First of all regarding the CITA DVD release. It was shown only on one internet site (umusic) as a release date back in February. If anybody has seen the release date any where else, please let me know. It was not shown any where else (Amazon, Best Buy, Tower Records, etc). In May, the 6 videos DVD will be release and the following week the Come Sail Away Anthology will be released. I wouldn't be surprised if Universal or whoever is releasing the CITA DVD will have it released mid-summer. Sadie & Bugsy are right, I'm sure they didn't want to release a load of Styx items all at once. I know for a FACT that most bands don't have control on re-releasing their own music, if a company (Sony, Universal, etc) owns the rights. If an artist/group are self-published and have the money (for promoting) by their own company, then they have control.

As for the CITA, I personally would think Dennis would love to have this released on DVD. Why would he want to stop the release? It would benefit him the most - wouldn't you think?

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by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 2:54 pm

BTW Gary, are you in the band Maidenhead? Just curious.

by **bugsymalone** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 12:45 am

Ditto, Suite.

The truth is I never said Dennis WAS holding up the release, I said I bet he is which are two different things

Ah, see, you clarified yourself. You "bet" he was holding up the release. A very personal perspective. I "bet" he is NOT. Also a personal perspective.

Has anybody checked the sales of the new Prince cd? They are HUGE

I think it is great for Prince. I love his new song and the wonderful video that is with it.
I am quite a fan of SOME of his music. "1999" is one of my all-time favorite songs. As cool a synth driven song as there ever was.

I am with Suite about this group. Seems to be a good variety of music fans and a good group of people. I really liked the 20 CD's subject. We
were able to see what music most of us treasure.

Bugsy

by **classicstyxfan** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 1:12 am

RE: Prince.....Past and Present. I haven't heard the new stuff....
If anyone can tell me it is a signifciant departure from his past sound, I will open my mind and have a listen....if it's more of the same, or close to it, I'll pass.

by **GaryS** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:47 am

Bugsy... I wasn't clarifying it because it was in my original post. Maybe in the sense it was clearer to you but what I said is still there and you can go see for yourself.

by **sadie65** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:46 am

Gary,

I am sincerely asking here, not trying to start up an argument. Why do you feel Dennis DeYoung might have filed an injunction? And where did you get the impression that CITA might have unreleased material on it? I'm asking because I have heard nothing about this anywhere else.

Peace,

Sadie

by **bugsymalone** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:51 am

I BET Dennis is f***ing up the CITA DVD. I know it

This is what you said in your original post.

Maybe the word between "is" and "up", uh, distracted me.

And then maybe the "I know it" part was what I was responding to.

Whatever. This discussion has run its course and I am done with it as well.

Bugsy

by **GaryS** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:35 am

You are right. Not another werd from me about this.

by **DeeJaySTYX** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 2:47 pm

If the Caught In The Act DVD is the same as the VHS video, the Copyrights are owned by the music company, which in this case is A&M and is owned by Universal...We dont have any information about the DVD(any extras, confirmation of the original release date, or a delay and a reason for a delay)...I can't confirm the release of the DVD with Best Buy, Media Play, or with the three DVD sites I visit all the time( Digital Bits.Com, DVD File.Com, and DVD Review)....

Let's just wait and see if a new release date resurfaces.....

DeeJay....

by **styxfanNH** » Mon May 03, 2004 3:17 am

just my 2 cents as a newbie to this board.

I am guessing that when the guys settled the court case they addressed distribution rights/financial percentages as to the music that was created with them as a band and any future releases that was derived from the old music.

As to what is holding up the release of CITA.....God only knows, and we should aLL realize that God in the music industry is usually the music company.

by **froy** » Mon May 03, 2004 9:52 am

Boy Is this board alive and well

by **classicstyxfan** » Mon May 03, 2004 10:25 pm

A mighty interested thread you started Froy...... :lol:

by **froy** » Tue May 04, 2004 11:53 am

classicstyxfan wrote:A mighty interested thread you started Froy......

3 PAGES OF MISH MASH

by **Adam** » Tue May 04, 2004 10:46 pm

I think this thread condenses Froy's general state of contrariness and intelligence very well.

by **yogi** » Tue May 04, 2004 11:50 pm

Come on Froy, now that you are back MAKE UP some more 'facts' so we can discuss them. I for one have missed your Styx 'insights'.

MR

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