Facts Respectfully Submited to Froy

[bugsymalone]

Good heavens! Stop the presses! I am agreeing with Monker and DarrenUK!

And I would add to each his own. I have no interest in the touring group called Styx now. But I certainly respect those who do and want to see them live and buy their music. And I am happy for those in Europe etc. who will get a chance to see them when they tour overseas.

They are a band who inspired great fan loyalty and, as seen with all the posting on this board, great passion as well. Whichever side you take.

Bugsy

[DeeJaySTYX]

Monker, On your list I like #2 and #5 the best...If Dennis, Tommy, and JY move on to make new music that is in high Quality,then anything that happen 6 years ago or whatever is water under the bridge at this point in time....

If I were to grade Cyclorama and Dennis's Live CD, I would give them both a B because I enjoy the majority of the music on both, but I have a tendency to use the skip button on some tracks that I don't care for on each CD....I just hope that both parties can make more albums just as good as Cyclo. and Dennis Live or even better....But I'm still undecided about a CD of covers....I guess I will stick to the old saying ; Don't Knock It Before You Try It....



DeeJay.....

P.S.... Darren, Great post...That Pretty much sums it up for me as well... ....(The Chuckles are endless)...... Hope you have a great time....

[DarrenUK]

I have all Glen,s solo albums...

In my opinion he has yet to make a CD of ten killer songs there is always 1 or 2 to skip.

My fave Glen solo song has to be River Of Fire closely followed by Spinning My Wheels and Perfect world.
I spoke to Glen backstage in Munich on Styx,s German dates in 2000 and was pleased to hear that at the time River Of Fire was in his fave 5 songs he has ever done. So I said play it live tomorrow in Furth Germany as i will be there for that show too he replied...
YEAH RIGHT...sure the Styx fans will sing along with me...lol

Every show I went backstage on Todd always relaxed with a glass of red wine....enjoys his clarets..lol.
I have been lucky to of interviewed Glen and Tommy(twice) and am fortunate to have Tommy,s home number but i dont call him(I respect his privacy) My last Tommy interview was as BNW was being released for Hard Roxx online magazine but its closed down now but it was a great 50 minute telephone interview, my best interview was interviewing Jack Blades by cellphone, he was in a parking lot on the Rock Never Stops tour and I was home and during the interview you hear Ted Nugent shout in the background "Hey Jack tell the Brit if he wants an arrow putting between the Queens eyes Ime his man"...lol
After my interview with Glen he sent me a signed copy of Heroes and Zeroes, a very approachable and friendly guy.

[ek88]

Darren: Well said.

Yogi: Though I don't believe you've recommended it to me directly, you'll be happy to hear that I'm going to order a copy of Welcome To Hollywood!

Deejay: My feelings exactly on the covers album.

Bugs: Also well said!

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Yogi are you into sales? LOL

Since we ended up with a snow day, I had time to order Glen's new cd. I ordered from cdbaby.com.

I'll let you know when I receive it.

Darren, I've met and talked to Glen too. I thought he was very nice and funny. I interviewed JY for a documentary in 2003 and after talking to him for a while I saw another side of him (in a good way). I also met and talked to Dennis a few times, he was always very positive and very funny.

(I had to add that I enjoy bragging on my tagline, so I can brag on here) - LOL

[froy]

I interviewed JY for a documentary in 2003 and after talking to him for a while I saw another side of him (in a good way).

I had breakfast with JY in Vegas he was a nice guy no doubt about it but even then there was a spite towards Dennis . Iasked him why they did not do the opening sythn part on Miss America and he said 2 words Dennis DeYoung , Why would Dennis not want to play the opening makes no sense.

[Adam]

Froy, methinks thou assumeth that everything you love about music, Dennis DeYoung would agree with. I bet you'd be surprised. In fact, I'd bet Dennis would drive YOU nuts, as he seems to have done with EVERYONE ELSE who's ever worked with him. (I don't think it's a coincidence that everyone from Styx has walked away from the guy.)

Now, I really don't mean to be so one sided. I'm aware there are no simple reasons for most problems with relationships (Styx vs DeYoung being the one we're constantly rehashing here). It's just that the pompous "Froyistic" approach makes me nuts and feel the irresistable urge to retaliate. When someone goes on & on about how bad Styx is without DeYoung - musically, ethically, etc. - I start typing.

[sadie65]

Froy, methinks thou assumeth that everything you love about music, Dennis DeYoung would agree with. I bet you'd be surprised. In fact, I'd bet Dennis would drive YOU nuts, as he seems to have done with EVERYONE ELSE who's ever worked with him. (I don't think it's a coincidence that everyone from Styx has walked away from the guy.)



Now, I really don't mean to be so one sided. I'm aware there are no simple reasons for most problems with relationships (Styx vs DeYoung being the one we're constantly rehashing here). It's just that the pompous "Froyistic" approach makes me nuts and feel the irresistable urge to retaliate. When someone goes on & on about how bad Styx is without DeYoung - musically, ethically, etc. - I start typing.

And yet there are others he's worked with for years who no problem with him. I'm not taking sides in the never ending Froy vs. the board here, but I get a little tired of reading that he was so impossible. It's a little over the top to say EVERYONE ELSE. I think most of us here have a greed he's a perfectionist. Making sweeping statements doesn't help.

And I can understand that, but no one is changing their minds in their views with this thread. And retaliation doesn't appear to be working...just prolonging this....but hey, have at it.

Sadie

[yogi]

I heard Mila Vanilia had a GREAT time working with him, or was that Liza Minilli???????? I'm talking about the lip synching supergroup, and the drunk actress. Have no clue how to spell their names. At any rate one of em loved working with Dennis!!!!

[ek88]

Milli Vanilli? Now there's a musical act I haven't considered for a long, long time . . . . . .

[froy]

#1. Styx is Styx whether people like it or not. Certain people may not like it, but they are not going to change their name.

And Dennis DeYoung is Styx whether people like it or not.
He's seen on TV they say he's the voice of Styx
On the radio he's called the voice of Styx
On commercials they use his songs
He is more of Styx than anyone on this earth, If Chuck joined him he could use the name Styx then what?

#2. Styx will continue to record and release music as long as they have a label willing to release it.

So what

Even if they don't have a label, they could release it on their own, as Journey does....if enough people buy it to make it profitable.

Wrong cyclorama was not profitable
Arch Allies and Rockers were all losers and no profits
Thats why they were dumped by sanctuary.
They lost big money and the next release won't make them any money either only the tour will make them some money and thats if its a triple bill. we shall see if anymore lables want anything to do with a Dennis less Styx.
And that is my whole point the cds make them nothing they use them to have an excuse to tour, I wonder whos on this years triple bill.

#3. Styx will continue to tour as long as people continue to go to their shows and venues book them. I don't care if they do three shows a day playing at day care centers to five year olds.

You don't care if they play day care centers?
Shows how smart you are.

If those kids are paying customers, and the day care wants to book them, and Styx agrees to it, they can tour.....and no amount of complaining will stop it.

Nobody will be complaining because they will be laughing to hard,

#4. Styx will record whatever music they want to record and perform whatever music they want to perform.

Sure sounds like a fan friendly band.
Why would anyone want to be a fan of a band like this?

If they want to rerecord BCM reagae style, nothing is stopping them.

Nothing may be stopping them but the botom line is nobody will be buying it , That will ultimately stop them bet on that.

If they want to go on stage and parody Babe, and have JY bust Tommy's guitar because he hates the song so much, nothing is stopping them....

Nothing but a promise from Shaw that he would not do it again so sorry mate wrong again..

no amount of complaining will cause them to change it - because labels still release their albums and people still go to their concerts.

I see so if 5 people go see a styx concert that justifies it.
Its a matter of if there are a few dumbies that feed the band then the band will take full advantage of it , I see.

#5. The 'breakup' was years ago. Why it happened, and who it happened to is basicaly irrelevant.

Only to followers not leaders.

No amount of complaining about it is going to change the fact that Dennis was kicked out of the band, that he sued the band to stop them moving forward -

Man you have no balls
The world according to Monker is well we just got screwed but lets not voice our opinion because it will only be a waste of time
Trump would fire your ass in 1 second that's for sure.
No guts no glory Monker.

#6. The reality is that we are talking about Styx...

The reality is Styx broke up when Dennis DeYoung the founder was rudely dumped. Only a dirty shell of Styx egsists.

[styxfanNH]

Let's see. Sanctuary dumped Styx from there label because Rockers didn't sell.

Please explain why Sanctuary cares how well a Universal Release sold?

CHuck and Dennis don't speak but Froy expects him to go running to Dennis to use the Styx name Dennis gave up and sold to Tommy and JY and Chuck.

You still have yet to provide any sales numbers from any of the albums.

Many bands do not make money on there cd's and instead make their money through the tour. So why is that a problem for Styx?

Please stop confusing Froy with the facts...

[froy]

Let's see. Sanctuary dumped Styx from there label because Rockers didn't sell.

Please explain why Sanctuary cares how well a Universal Release sold?

Why do you take half of what I say not all of it?
Use quotes or don't reply to my posts

CHuck and Dennis don't speak but Froy expects him to go running to Dennis to use the Styx name Dennis gave up

Again thats not what I said .

You still have yet to provide any sales numbers from any of the albums.

Rama was under 30 thousand thats been posted many times
You do the math on the others

Many bands do not make money on there cd's and instead make their money through the tour. So why is that a problem for Styx?

Many washed up bands that is ,
Wonder how JRNY is going to do next time around ,

[Monker]

And Dennis DeYoung is Styx whether people like it or not.

No he's not. He settled that lawsuit and let the band move on with the name. He is NOT Styx.

He's seen on TV they say he's the voice of Styx
On the radio he's called the voice of Styx

So what? People still say Perry is the voice of Journey...it doesn't mean that he IS Journey.

Dennis is NOT Styx. Dennis alone was NEVER Styx. Like I say to Perry/Journey fans, if you truly believe that all Styx was is "Dennis", then I don't think you really know what makes Styx "Styx".

On commercials they use his songs

No, they use Styx songs. I don't remember hearing "Desert Moon" on TV commercials.

He is more of Styx than anyone on this earth, If Chuck joined him he could use the name Styx then what?

Absolutely not true. As I said, he settled that issue with a court settlement. He can not go on tour as Styx...ask LRB fans how that works.

Wrong cyclorama was not profitable
Arch Allies and Rockers were all losers and no profits

And, this is where we enter the realm of you believe your opinions are reality.

Prove any of the above...especialy that it lost money for the label, which your is your next statement.

Thats why they were dumped by sanctuary.

How do you know this? Universal likes retro bands...Styx could have got a better offer and dumped Sanctuary. I don't think anybody knows, or at least has posted with anything credible, WHY they switched labels.

They lost big money and the next release won't make them any money either only the tour will make them some money and thats if its a triple bill.

Froy, you've been saying this for years now. If they couldn't pay the bills with the tour, they couldn't tour. It's as simple as that.

And that is my whole point the cds make them nothing they use them to have an excuse to tour, I wonder whos on this years triple bill.

They would tour if a CD was released or not...just like Journey. What is stopping them? It's not like they are not finding venues.

You don't care if they play day care centers?
Shows how smart you are.

The point is that if a bunch of day care centers want to book Styx, and a bunch of five year olds can afford tickets - Styx can tour. Again, what is stopping them? You?

#4. Styx will record whatever music they want to record and perform whatever music they want to perform.

Sure sounds like a fan friendly band.
Why would anyone want to be a fan of a band like this?

ME. I would much rather be the fan of a band that records the music THEY want to record then a fan of a band that bends to the will of the fans and label. That is what Styx and Journey both are.

Quote:
If they want to rerecord BCM reagae style, nothing is stopping them.

Nothing may be stopping them but the botom line is nobody will be buying it , That will ultimately stop them bet on that.

Sure, 'ultimately' that is all you can do - not buy it. But, you can't control the thousands of others that do buy it.

Quote:
If they want to go on stage and parody Babe, and have JY bust Tommy's guitar because he hates the song so much, nothing is stopping them....

Nothing but a promise from Shaw that he would not do it again so sorry mate wrong again..

The point is, you can't change their setlist, their show, who they tour with, where they tour, or anything else by posting to a message forum about how much you hate it.

I see so if 5 people go see a styx concert that justifies it.
Its a matter of if there are a few dumbies that feed the band then the band will take full advantage of it , I see.

The fact is that there are more then five people who go to Styx shows. The fact is that there ARE enough Styx fans to feed the machine and keep it moving. You can not change that.

Quote:
#5. The 'breakup' was years ago. Why it happened, and who it happened to is basicaly irrelevant.

Only to followers not leaders.

No, only to those who hold to a belief that they can control something FAR beyond their control.

Man you have no balls
The world according to Monker is well we just got screwed but lets not voice our opinion because it will only be a waste of time

Oh, voice your opinion. But, it is foolish of you to have ANY thought that doing so will change the reality of the situation. If the only reason you are voicing that opinion is to change something you have no control over, then yes, it IS a waste of time.

I could go on and on and on about how LRB isn't REALLY LRB. That Birtles/Shorrock/Goble IS LRB. That if people want to hear the REAL LRB singing songs THEY wrong, they would listen to BSG...That LRB has absolutely NO 'original' member...and the founding members are BSG but can't use the name. Blah, blah, blah...I could do that on their mailing lists and argue and argue and argue. But, it's wasted energy...Because the courts settled the name thing. Stephen Housden isn't going to give up the name. BSG will never get it back. LRB can still tour because they have a group of fans in the US that still go to their shows...even if they know about BSG. It's a wasted effort over something very isignificant.

Trump would fire your ass in 1 second that's for sure.
No guts no glory Monker.

I have no desire to work for Trump. #1: he's in NY, and I really feel no desire to move. #2: He's in "realestate" and have no desire to be involved in that. #3: I have no desire to be far up enough in management for him to even notice me to fire me.

The reality is Styx broke up when Dennis DeYoung the founder was rudely dumped. Only a dirty shell of Styx egsists.

Sorry, but the above is another example of taking your opinion and mistaking it for reality. The reality is that Dennis himself signed the papers to allow Styx to exist without him. You don't have to like it but you do have to deal with it...the fact that Styx is Styx isn't going to change.

[froy]

And Dennis DeYoung is Styx whether people like it or not.

No he's not. He settled that lawsuit and let the band move on with the name. He is NOT Styx.

I see the courts tell us who Styx is
Thats not how it works
The fans tell us who Styx is and the fans say Dennis is Styx more than any other member.

He's seen on TV they say he's the voice of Styx
On the radio he's called the voice of Styx

So what? People still say Perry is the voice of Journey...it doesn't mean that he IS Journey.

Perry is in a cave
Dennis is all over the place big difference
Ask anyone in the world who is Styx they will say Dennis Deyoung first
And they will never even mention Gowan.

Dennis is NOT Styx. Dennis alone was NEVER Styx. Like I say to Perry/Journey fans, if you truly believe that all Styx was is "Dennis", then I don't think you really know what makes Styx "Styx".

I know what Styx is and its starts with Dennis if he's not there its not Styx , I care less what some goofy judge say's .
And BYW he dropped the lawsuit big difference from signing anything over.

On commercials they use his songs

No, they use Styx songs. I don't remember hearing "Desert Moon" on TV commercials.

Mr Roboto is a Dennis Deyoung Stxy song.
Shaw and JY had nothingto do with it .
Here we go again

Wrong cyclorama was not profitable
Arch Allies and Rockers were all losers and no profits

And, this is where we enter the realm of you believe your opinions are reality.

Selling 30 thousand cds is reality and a loss in revenue.

Prove any of the above...especialy that it lost money for the label, which your is your next statement.

Here 's proof sanctuary said your fired by by Styx .

[yogi]

According to Dennis and his wife Dennis also lives in a cave!! I guess that didnt sound too hip!!!!!

[Adam]

FROY: Why would anyone want to be a fan of a band like this?
ADAM: That’s exactly what critics have always asked about Styx.

FROY: Dennis DeYoung is Styx whether people like it or not.
ADAM: Hogwash. DeYoung paid an Attorney A LOT OF $ with the outcome that, at the end of the day, a contract was signed agreeing that he had no part, nor ownership in the band.

FROY: He is more of Styx than anyone on this earth,
ADAM: And John Kerry is President of the United States

FROY: BYW he dropped the lawsuit big difference from signing anything over.
ADAM: He signed papers, dude. He went after the band – his “friends” – with a lawsuit, which was going to ‘set everything straight once and for all’ which culminated in an agreement as to who owned the name. (And what does BYW mean?)

FROY: I see the courts tell us who Styx is Thats not how it works
ADAM: Actually, yes, that is exactly how it works. Otherwise, you’d be able open a restaurant named Burger King.

FROY: The fans tell us who Styx is and the fans say Dennis is Styx more than any other member.
ADAM: And for years now, the fans have been buying tickets to see Styx without DeYoung.

FROY: Selling 30 thousand cds is reality and a loss in revenue… I see so if 5 people go see a styx concert that justifies it…You don't care if they play day care centers? Shows how smart you are.
ADAM: What a world. If Jesus Christ himself walked the earth right now, he’d catch criticism for the size of the halls he was preaching at. Woody Guthrie probably never played to more than one hundred people at a time. Buddy Holly probably never played to more than one thousand. The Beatles’ entire road crew was comprised of two guys. VanGough died a pauper. So did Mozart. Does this mean they weren’t successful? I don’t think that crap matters. And by the way, 30,000 copies is reaching a helluva lot more people than you ever will.

FROY: Use quotes or don't reply to my posts
ADAM: What pomposity. Stomping one’s foot, demanding people follow a specific protocol in posting. That’s overestimating one’s place, I’d say. Delusional pomp.

FROY: Here 's proof sanctuary said your fired by Styx
ADAM: Juvenile.

ADAM: I agree with Monker. Froy’s been predicting “the end” of the group ever since his very first posts. Years and years. Well, business has been good for this band for 5 years+. And someday, whenever they DO retire, he’ll pronounce ‘See? I always told you so!’

And for the record, Donald Trump is no hero of MINE. But, with his ridiculous hair, I could imagine Dennis DeYoung admiring him too, Froy!

Oh, and another thing, I applaud Monker’s last post and styxfanNH rocks.

[froy]

Adam learn to use quotes its really simple Your
Bs he said he said is irritating won't ever respond again

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Dennis filed lawsuit after the airing of "Behind The Music". There are 74 pages including past signed contracts. The public can open the file and read the lawsuit. But, no one can read the outcome, it's a closed file. It can not be discussed in public by Dennis, Tommy, JY, Chuck and their families. They are all very tight lipped about the outcome. After reading this (the lawsuit), IF Dennis took this for a full trial, he would've won - MY opinion based on all the facts!!!

You can't compare Dennis and Steve Perry. They are 2 different people and their situations are completely different from each other.

As for the VW - Mr. Roboto commercial. Dennis and JY are the ones that re-recorded it.

Dennis co-founded the band, he produced most of the records and it was his vision, like it or not.

What is LBR? Little River Band?

LOL - I do have to laugh if Carrot Styx did play a day-care.

As for the total number of cd's (units) sold, this will be tricky to find out. First we have to find out how many were printed and where they went and how many are left. There are so many outlets on the internet and stores that feature the cd's. I'm pretty sure I could find out the totals for Dennis' solo work, as for Carrot Styx's recent work, I'm not sure. We'd need both to compare. I do know Cyclowhatever and Rockers didn't do that great. I don't know how much money was put into each one so I don't know if they lost/gained money.

Um Adam, please read Sadie's post. I agree with her. There are quite a few other people that he worked with that didn't have problems with him.

Have a GREAT Day - Go Packers Go!!!!!!!!!!

[Adam]

I thought Sadie had good ideas also, especially the “no one is changing their minds in their views with this thread. And retaliation doesn't appear to be working...just prolonging this.” Truer words have rarely been spoken.

As far as whose STILL with DeYoung, I disagree. Not only ALL of the Styx musicians, but Management, Audio Engineering and road crew guys. Who took DeYoung’s side in this battle? Jim Peterik? Who the hell is HE and how much time has he really put in with DeYoung?

FROY: Adam learn to use quotes its really simple Your
Bs he said he said is irritating won't ever respond again

Dude, YOU prompted me to the format I use – your posts are by far the most confusing when it comes to quoting people. Besides, YOU certainly refuse to use quotations!

Let’s see a quick show of hands here: how many readers have been completely confused by a Froy post (or 3)?

For example - and I’ll use quotations (to placate the whining) – Froy writes:
“Adam learn to use quotes its really simple Your
Bs he said he said is irritating won't ever respond again”

What freaking language is THAT? I mean, I understand the point, but the lack of punctuation and nouns ALONE force the reader to go back and RE-READ to be sure what Froy was trying to say!

And I say this is only more of the pompous arrogance – which is my problem here.

As a point, I consider posting on a board to be a FORM OF COMMUNICATION – worthy of articulation and thought. Froy too often is about kicking & screaming pronouncements and insults.

It's Froybonics!!!

[Monker]

In reply to Froy:

I see the courts tell us who Styx is
Thats not how it works
The fans tell us who Styx is and the fans say Dennis is Styx more than any other member.

sorry, but that IS how it works. When Dennis settled, he allowed the band to continue on as Styx. That is the bottom line.

Perry is in a cave
Dennis is all over the place big difference

Perry may be in a cave...but, some people still consider him the voice of Journey.

Ask anyone in the world who is Styx they will say Dennis Deyoung first
And they will never even mention Gowan.

Like I said, you would go off on tangents about why Styx is wrong, blah, blah, blah. You can't face the reality that Styx is still using the name without Dennis in the band - and there is NOTHING you can do to stop it.

I know what Styx is and its starts with Dennis if he's not there its not Styx , I care less what some goofy judge say's .

The goofy judge only did his job.

And BYW he dropped the lawsuit big difference from signing anything over.

I don't believe that's quite true. I don't remember what the motion was that Dennis filed. The bottom line is that Dennis allowed the band to continue on with the name.

Mr Roboto is a Dennis Deyoung Stxy song.
Shaw and JY had nothingto do with it .
Here we go again

Mr. Roboto is a STYX song. Dennis may have written the entire song and even performed all of the instruments...but it was released under the Styx name and is a Styx song. That is a simple fact.

Selling 30 thousand cds is reality and a loss in revenue.

I know the sales numbers. Prove that the label lost money. How much did they spend on the album and how much 'revenue' did it generate. Show me the numbers and where you got them from. I don't think you know...I think you are just stating your opinions as facts - again.

Here 's proof sanctuary said your fired by by Styx .

Again, I think that's wishful thinking on your part. Show me where Sactuary said the above. I don't think they did.

In reply to Suite:

Dennis filed lawsuit after the airing of "Behind The Music". There are 74 pages including past signed contracts. The public can open the file and read the lawsuit. But, no one can read the outcome, it's a closed file.

What was the motion that was filed to end the lawsuit and what did it mean? That IS in the public record because I read it. From what I remember, and this was long ago, it basicaly said both sides agreed to stop presenting evidence and to leave the outcome in the hands of the judge with the evidence that was before him. It was not 'dropped' as Froy said...just brought to an end quicker.

But, even with what you say above - Dennis STILL allowed the band to continue on with the name.

After reading this (the lawsuit), IF Dennis took this for a full trial, he would've won - MY opinion based on all the facts!!!

Won what? His portion of the tour profits? Probably. Stopped Styx from moving on without him? I highly doubt it.

You can't compare Dennis and Steve Perry. They are 2 different people and their situations are completely different from each other.

Sure I can. If saying so-and-so is the "voice" of a band MAKES him "the band" then Steve Perry IS Journey...a statement I KNOW Froy disagrees with. Perry is NOT Journey, and Dennis is NOT Styx.

As for the VW - Mr. Roboto commercial. Dennis and JY are the ones that re-recorded it.

That is not my point. It's still a Styx song. Are you going to tell me that Mr. Roboto is a Dennis song and NOT a Styx song?

Dennis co-founded the band, he produced most of the records and it was his vision, like it or not.

Like it or not, it was his "vision" that strangled the band during Kilroy. IMO, it was also his "vision" as a solo act that stalled the band in the early 90's.

And, according to you, he co-founded the band...Which is also more evidence that Styx is NOT only Dennis DeYoung.

What is LBR? Little River Band?

LRB, yes, Little River Band. Or, LHB, the Little Housden Band.

I don't know how much money was put into each one so I don't know if they lost/gained money.

Exactly my point. Nobody knows if Cyclorama, or any of the compilations/live albums, lost/earned money...not me, not you, and not Froy.

[sadie65]

I thought Sadie had good ideas also, especially the “no one is changing their minds in their views with this thread. And retaliation doesn't appear to be working...just prolonging this.” Truer words have rarely been spoken.

As far as whose STILL with DeYoung, I disagree. Not only ALL of the Styx musicians, but Management, Audio Engineering and road crew guys. Who took DeYoung’s side in this battle? Jim Peterik? Who the hell is HE and how much time has he really put in with DeYoung?

FROY: Adam learn to use quotes its really simple Your
Bs he said he said is irritating won't ever respond again

Dude, YOU prompted me to the format I use – your posts are by far the most confusing when it comes to quoting people. Besides, YOU certainly refuse to use quotations!

Let’s see a quick show of hands here: how many readers have been completely confused by a Froy post (or 3)?

For example - and I’ll use quotations (to placate the whining) – Froy writes:
“Adam learn to use quotes its really simple Your
Bs he said he said is irritating won't ever respond again”

What freaking language is THAT? I mean, I understand the point, but the lack of punctuation and nouns ALONE force the reader to go back and RE-READ to be sure what Froy was trying to say!

And I say this is only more of the pompous arrogance – which is my problem here.

As a point, I consider posting on a board to be a FORM OF COMMUNICATION – worthy of articulation and thought. Froy too often is about kicking & screaming pronouncements and insults.

It's Froybonics!!!

I can understand your frustration Adam, and it may be semantics, but what I took your post to be originally was that no one could work with Dennis, which just isn't the case. As for why the management, road crew, and audio engineers stayed, I have to say, that just doesn't work as an argument. They go where they can find work. The decision to earn income has nothing to do with loyalty or whether Dennis is difficult to work with. Since they are in essence the hired help, it would make sense for them to stick with the paycheck. The people in power were the ones requested to wait. That's like saying a waitress shouldn't go to work because a manager at the restaurant isn't being treated nicely. Nice morals, but not practical. In other words, the people used in your argument are too far down the line to use. And management is just that...management. I know. I am in management. If you don't own the company, you still have to toe the line.

Again, I'll say that yeah, Dennis can be a pain. And again, I know how annoying and frustrating this whole idiotic thread is. The use of the words hero and pompous are egregious and annoying, and often used incorrectly.

Other than that...fight on

Sadie

[froy]

In reply to Froy:

I see the courts tell us who Styx is
Thats not how it works
The fans tell us who Styx is and the fans say Dennis is Styx more than any other member.

sorry, but that IS how it works. When Dennis settled, he allowed the band to continue on as Styx. That is the bottom line.

Dennis did not settle he dropped the case.
If he would have gone on he would have won,
So it was not the courts who said Styx was Styx its not Monker who say's Styx is Styx it was Dennis who said Im not going to give you guys a hard time about it.

Like I said, you would go off on tangents about why Styx is wrong, blah, blah, blah. You can't face the reality that Styx is still using the name without Dennis in the band - and there is NOTHING you can do to stop it.

The point of nothing I can do to stop it is ridiculous.
It will stop when they play those day care centers that you talked about.

I know what Styx is and its starts with Dennis if he's not there its not Styx , I care less what some goofy judge say's .

The goofy judge only did his job.

No he didn;t Dennis dropped the case.

And BYW he dropped the lawsuit big difference from signing anything over.

I don't believe that's quite true.

You don't believe it because I said it
I was going to be a fan witness in the case if it went to trail
Did you know that?
Im sure you dont believe it but when I called to see the progress of the case his lawyer said Dennis dropped it.

Mr Roboto is a Dennis Deyoung Stxy song.
Shaw and JY had nothingto do with it .
Here we go again

Mr. Roboto is a STYX song. Dennis may have written the entire song and even performed all of the instruments...but it was released under the Styx name and is a Styx song. That is a simple fact.

The writing credits go to Dennis not anyone else thats another simple fact
Its only a Styx song because it was on an album under the Styx banner/

Selling 30 thousand cds is reality and a loss in revenue.

I know the sales numbers.

Really what are they ?

Prove that the label lost money.

they fired Styx thats proof enough for me,

How much did they spend on the album and how much 'revenue' did it generate. Show me the numbers and where you got them from. I don't think you know...I think you are just stating your opinions as facts - again.

You know the numbers lets have it

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Monker says:

Like it or not, it was his "vision" that strangled the band during Kilroy.

That statement is YOUR opinion. "Kilroy Was Here" as an album did pretty good on the charts.

Monker says:

What was the motion that was filed to end the lawsuit and what did it mean? That IS in the public record because I read it.

That's interesting. How did YOU get to read this?

[Monker]

Dennis did not settle he dropped the case.

That is simply not true. At least know what you are talking about when you write such things.

If he would have gone on he would have won,

Did it ever occur to you, or anybody else, that maybe he ended it sooner then later because he knew he was fighting a futile battle?

So it was not the courts who said Styx was Styx its not Monker who say's Styx is Styx it was Dennis who said Im not going to give you guys a hard time about it.

LOL! You are too funny.

It was Styx who said, "We are Styx." It was Dennis who said, "Me too!" It was Styx who said, "Not any more..." It was Dennis who said, "See you in court!" It was then Styx who said, "It's not like we have much choice!" It was then Dennis who said, "Well, OK, I'll you be Styx now...."

The point of nothing I can do to stop it is ridiculous.
It will stop when they play those day care centers that you talked about.

Not if day care centers are willing to book them and five year olds can buy the tickets!

No he didn;t Dennis dropped the case.

Froy, prove it...Look up the motion that was filed to end the case. You are wrong.

You don't believe it because I said it

Suite says she read all the facts...ask her what motion brought an ending to the case.

I was going to be a fan witness in the case if it went to trail
Did you know that?
Im sure you dont believe it but when I called to see the progress of the case his lawyer said Dennis dropped it.

Yeah, and I'm sure Perry's lawyers say he had hip problems and couldn't tour. Look up the motion.

The writing credits go to Dennis not anyone else thats another simple fact Its only a Styx song because it was on an album under the Styx banner/

Oh, wow! Froy actually provided some hard facts! AMAZING!

I know the sales numbers.

Really what are they ?

They were posted ON THIS VERY SITE.

they fired Styx thats proof enough for me,

You can't even show that as a fact...You don't know if Styx dropped Sanctuary in favor of Universal or if Sanctuary dropped them. It's YOU filling in the blanks the way you WANT it to be.

You know the numbers (revenue vs. expense) lets have it

NO I DON'T. What I have been saying is that NOBODY ON THIS FORUM DOES.

[Monker]

Monker says:

Like it or not, it was his "vision" that strangled the band during Kilroy.

That statement is YOUR opinion. "Kilroy Was Here" as an album did pretty good on the charts.

And, the vision of Kilroy tore the band apart. Are you actualy saying that Kilroy had nothing to do with why the band broke up?

What was the motion that was filed to end the lawsuit and what did it mean? That IS in the public record because I read it.

That's interesting. How did YOU get to read this?

It was very public knowledge back then.

But, you are the one who just said you read all of the facts in the case. Tell me what motion ended it.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Yes, I read the "motion" of the lawsuit. I just re-read it today. I'm saying the final "outcome" was not for the public to read. Yes, we know that the current line-up of Styx can go on and use the name.

[yogi]

This is one AWESOME website!!!! My two year old son goes to a day care here in Bay City, Texas. Last night they had an open house. They asked for suggestions at the end of the evening. Mine was to try and bring some Classic Rock acts in for the childrens enjoyment. The vote was unanimous. Our fees went up 75 bucks a month, but damn its worth it. Next month we have got ELO coming, and in March we have Air Supply at nap time. We are gunning for Styx some time in April. Maybe for a 200 dollar per month bump we could bring in a triple bill. Wheres Richard Marx at story time????????????

[Liz22562]

Awesome Yogi, Thanks! I needed the laugh today....

Rock on Day Care Centers!

Peace,

Liz

[Monker]

Yes, I read the "motion" of the lawsuit. I just re-read it today. I'm saying the final "outcome" was not for the public to read. Yes, we know that the current line-up of Styx can go on and use the name.

And, just to prove my point that Froy is wrong:

Almost exactly one year after being filed, the lawsuit of Dennis DeYoung v. Styx appears to be over! Through our friends at Styxnet.com, Dixie sent the following update from the PACER website for the US District Court for the Northern District of Illinois:


Minutes Order of 10/22/01 by Hon. David H. Coar; Pursuant to telephonic notice from the attorney for the plaintiff (Deyoung), the case is settled and the plaintiff's notion for leave to file corrected affidavit of Dennis DeYoung is withdrawn. Status hearing set for 9:30 a.m. on 10/31/01.


While the settlement is not yet set in stone, the Equal Time for Dennis Concern has independant confirmation that the lawsuit has indeed been settled out of court, opening the way for the current band to continue touring and recording under the Styx name. Details of the agreement will be hammered out this Wednesday...

Also, in an unconfirmed report, James Young was heard on a Phoenix radio station (93.3 KDKB) saying that the suit was settled a few days ago, that Styx retains the name forever, and they will be in the studio "very soon"!

Allan Hirt of StyxCollector.com reports that Dennis will be allowed to perform under the moniker "Formerly of Styx" or "Performing the Music of Styx". He speculates that James Young, et al., made a motion for summary judgement this summer, which facilitated a settlement.

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Styx forced the issue with the "summary judgement" motion (which is not 'speculation', it happened...I read it) and Dennis settled. In other words, Styx wanted to get it over with and the judge to make a ruling...and Dennis settled instead.

What was that you said about the facts being on Dennis' side? Obviously he didn't think so or he would have let the judge make his ruling.

As for the "unconfirmed" this and that in the above...that isn't adressing my point.

summary judgement: A judgment given on the basis of pleadings, affidavits, and exhibits presented for the record without any need for a trial. It is used when there is no dispute as to the facts of the case and one party is entitled to a judgment as a matter of law.