Styx in Milwaukee Feb 14th 2005

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Postby Monker » Wed Feb 16, 2005 7:04 am

Oh, I keep forgetting, you never see a big deal with a few people getting excited about a show they enjoyed!!


Not any more then any other show Dennis has performed. Froy acted like it was the second coming or something. It isn't. It is Dennis performing to 500 people in a casino. No big changes in anything. No big deal.

You're always so darn negative about everything. The biggest change was adding "Pieces of Eight", that was a big deal to me.


Good for you. But, in the overall picture of things, it doesn't change much. It's like when I saw Styx perform "These Are the Times". I really wanted to see that song, but in the big picture of Styx, it didn't mean much.

If you think it is such a big deal that Tommy and JY should be all jealous and want to join Dennis on stage, as Froy repeatedly said, please explain why this show was any different then the dozens of shows that were performed before it.

I didn't think I posted ALL casino shows are limited to 90 minutes.


No, but IMO, Sadie seemed to imply it. I just thought I'd clarify it a bit. She clarified herself a bit. No big deal.

I thought I posted MOST casino shows were. I guess each casino varies from one another.


I think each show varies from one to another. As Sadie said, it depends on what the casino and the act want out of each other. Dennis wanted an 'intimate' show...The casino said, "Fine, but you only get an hour and a half". Styx wanted the crowd. The casino said, "Fine, you can play outside as long as you want."

Again, no big deal. Unless you want it to be.
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Postby kansas666 » Wed Feb 16, 2005 7:44 am

This was a great way to spend Valentines Day. I went with my wife and sister and brother in-law. We bought the complete package. Dinner at the Dream Dance was a very fine experience and the show in an intimate theater with Champaign was superb. And the women were even given long stem roses at dinner and before the show. Walking out into the drone of the slot machines afterward was a jolt however. We gambled a little. But I had the most fun throwing 35 cents directly into a trash can and watching the look on everyone’s face. That was much better than putting it into a slot machine.

Now, on to the show. I must admit it was better than I expected. It wasn’t perfect, but pretty good.

The show didn’t get off to a very good start. Dennis began with a couple of rockers; Rocking the Paradise and The Grand Illusion. These two openers made it painfully obvious that Dennis isn’t a rocker. From there we were treated to a couple of essential but not great songs with Lady and Lorelei, although the bolero in Lady was a nice touch. We also got Desert Moon. I have two problems with this song. This concert was billed as “The Music of STYX”. I don’t recall Desert Moon being on any STYX album. And why didn’t he play this song about two thirds of the way through the show when I reeeeaaallllyyy had to use the men’s room.

After that, the show took off. I was really impressed with Pieces of Eight. Hall of the Mountain King in the middle of it was a real treat. Show Me The Way was done acapella and brought chills down my spine. Clair de Lune/Don’t Let it End really showed off the orchestra. Mr. Roboto was much better than I expected it to be. His bass player wore some really interesting headgear during this song. Castle Walls was the best song of the evening. Light Up was a surprise. And Sweet Madam Blue is a classic.

Finally he played Babe and I was able to step out for a moment.

Best of Times and Come Sail Away were the perfect ending to a great evening.

Notes:

How did they get all those people on that stage?
I thought the orchestra was under-utilized.
Dennis’ backup band isn’t nearly as talented as the musicians in STYX
Why was his wife on stage trying to sing and dance?
I wish he had played I’m Okay.
The sound system was only average.
Was that chick looking at me? ;-)


I left the show with the feeling that Dennis is a great performer. He has a spectacular voice and has written some wonderful songs that I have enjoyed listening to over the past 30 years or so. But it became painfully obvious that Dennis is doing very well where he is and STYX is doing very well where they are. And the two are diametrically opposed.

I knew that Dennis would crack a few jokes on stage. But he was a regular comedian. And it wasn’t just canned material. He was topical and interacted well with the audience. When he mentioned that the drive from Chicago to Milwaukee was really nice if you like cheese, porno and guns, not to mention the Bong Recreational Area “wink wink nudge nudge” I about fell out of my seat. I have driven that stretch of highway a number of times and knew exactly what he was talking about.

I have to admit, and this is not a put down, that I think his show would go over very well in Las Vegas.

I only saw the classic lineup of STYX a couple of times, once in 1978 and again in 1996. And each time there seemed to be a dichotomy on stage. The rest of the band rocked and Dennis didn’t. Don’t get me wrong. Dennis tried to rock and the rest of the band tried to smile when he treated them like children. But they couldn’t quite pull it off.

I have come to the conclusion that the split was a good thing. Each faction has gone further in the direction they wanted to go. And they each have done very well in their pursuits. STYX is a well oiled concert machine and has become classic rock all-stars, and Dennis is a great entertainer and lounge singer. I don’t see the two acts getting back together. And I don’t think they should.

I have been a fan of this band since I first heard Equinox. And I have to admit that it is somewhat of a guilty pleasure. STYX/Dennis has never been hip or cool and the critics have never liked them. But I will continue to go see both acts and buy all their albums, even after STYX becomes the next Spinal Tap and Dennis DeYoung becomes the next Engelbert Humperdinck.
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Postby kansas666 » Wed Feb 16, 2005 7:47 am

Oops! I forgot to mention that I met Froy and Suite Madam Blue after the show. They both seemed like nice people and Froy and I even shook hands and agreed to take our corners and come out swinging. :wink:
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Postby froy » Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:09 am

kansas666 wrote:Oops! I forgot to mention that I met Froy and Suite Madam Blue after the show. They both seemed like nice people and Froy and I even shook hands and agreed to take our corners and come out swinging. :wink:



Man I can't even comment on your review
It was great meeting you and SMB glad we met.


I will say this Dennis is now playing the role of Front man he's not
Freddie Mercury he's Dennis who most always stood behind his kit and played. Now he's asked to be front and center all the time.
If you saw Styx you saw Dennis 50 percent less and heard him on many different roles Harmonies Synth ect , Now he's up front all the time
If he dressed more Rock and Roll I think he would look less Lounge act
I thought the same thing
Take the jacket off and put on a tight shirt it would look better.
To say he does not belong with Styx is just not fair he's playing a different role now,
He was great in 96 with his band he would be great again IMO
I can't see what was wrong with the first 4 songs they were great.
I do agree his wife (nice and all) off the stage please thats not a Rock Band
BUT you cant tell him that,

I did have dinner also The steak and champagian were great all for 100 bucks
I will take that anyday.

Great Review

Now all I have to do is meet ADAM
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Postby kansas666 » Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:25 am

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:The Green Bay show should be around 2 1/2 hours, Amick will be at this show so Dennis' Hunchback music will be included.


What additional STYX songs do you think they will play in Green Bay?
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Postby kansas666 » Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:33 am

I just checked on the Green Bay show. I wonder if it is going to happen. The show is this week and they haven't even sold the first 5 rows.
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Postby froy » Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:35 am

kansas666 wrote:I just checked on the Green Bay show. I wonder if it is going to happen. The show is this week and they haven't even sold the first 5 rows.


I think the first 5 are 175 each
I piped in 2 for 75 got 10th row center
Its a benefit for the theater
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Postby sadie65 » Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:13 am

kansas666 wrote:
SuiteMadameBlue wrote:The Green Bay show should be around 2 1/2 hours, Amick will be at this show so Dennis' Hunchback music will be included.


What additional STYX songs do you think they will play in Green Bay?


I don't think the additional songs will be Styx material. He'll add Hunchback material and possibly some solo work.

It sounds like you had a nice time.

I've long said Dennis and Styx shouldn't get back together, though it has little to do with whether he rocks anymore. To me he does, to you he doesn't. Cool.

As for Green Bay, Dennis is donating the proceeds to help renovate the theater. Froy is right, the first 5 rows are being held for meet and greet passes at a higher price.

Dennis loves to joke around with the audience. And living near the Wisconsin border as I do, those jokes are funny because they are dead on.

I'm looking forward to Green Bay. Thanks for the review.

Peace,

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Postby Zan » Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:13 am

Outstanding review, Kansas! I'll have to compare notes with you in April when I see him here in Ft. Lauderdale. How come no mention of Jim and Tom? ;-)
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Postby bugsymalone » Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:31 am

Dave! I didn't think you had it in you, LOL! Thanks for the review. It is nice to see that those who think Dennis has no idea how to "rock" (whatever THAT is), appreciate his talent and the dynamic vocals he brings to the performance.

I think the voice is what he is all about now and that is just fine with me.

It did sound like everyone had a great time on many different levels.

The show didn’t get off to a very good start. Dennis began with a couple of rockers; Rocking the Paradise and The Grand Illusion. These two openers made it painfully obvious that Dennis isn’t a rocker


I had a bit of trouble trying to see Grand Illusion as a "rocker." To me, Dennis owns this song. I have heard Current Styx do it and it was painful listening to such an inferior version of it.

Castle Walls was the best song of the evening. Light Up was a surprise. And Sweet Madam Blue is a classic.


Oh do I ever agree with you here!


I left the show with the feeling that Dennis is a great performer. He has a spectacular voice and has written some wonderful songs that I have enjoyed listening to over the past 30 years or so. But it became painfully obvious that Dennis is doing very well where he is and STYX is doing very well where they are. And the two are diametrically opposed.


Interesting difference on our perspectives on this. I feel that there is not anything "painful" about Dennis doing what he is doing and the band not reuniting with him. I never want that to happen. Let them do what they are doing right now.

Thanks once again for posting the detailed review. It is always interesting to read everyone's perspective here.

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Postby SuiteMadameBlue » Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:45 am

I don't understand about Dennis not being a "Rocker". What is a "Rocker"?When I think of "rock" music, I think of bands like Metalica, Motley Crue, Megadeth, Judas Priest, AC/DC, these bands play "rock" music. The current Styx, to me, does not play "rock" music.

Should he be out on stage wearing an Ozzy shirt screaming songs with heavy guitars playing?

I enjoy Dennis' shows just the way they are. His voice is awesome and the music's awesome to me. For those who didn't know that - LOL

What is everyone's opinion of "rock" music? :roll:
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Postby froy » Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:02 am

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:I don't understand about Dennis not being a "Rocker". What is a "Rocker"?When I think of "rock" music, I think of bands like Metalica, Motley Crue, Megadeth, Judas Priest, AC/DC, these bands play "rock" music. The current Styx, to me, does not play "rock" music.

Should he be out on stage wearing an Ozzy shirt screaming songs with heavy guitars playing?

I enjoy Dennis' shows just the way they are. His voice is awesome and the music's awesome to me. For those who didn't know that - LOL

What is everyone's opinion of "rock" music? :roll:


Very true
Its like saying nobody wants Peter Cetera back in Chicago because he's hit ballad street.
I would love to See him back in Chicago
I would love to see Dennis back in Styx just because he is Styx and its his band. For Styx to go out like this is a terrible misjustice
They need to go out on a high note not just being high.
I will tell ya what you can also put Hank Horton in Styx if Chuck cant do it
I say this its not what they look like that fits a persana
Its the quality of the music
Look at Shaw and Rickie do they look like they belong in Styx ?
I would say more of maybe in a Jesus Christ Superstar if you ask me
They look grunge looking and dirty .
Thats not Styx they were always a class act and that was Dennis's idea.,
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Postby classicstyxfan » Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:14 am

Someone should direct an anthropologist to this board......they could probably learn alot, and maybe they could explain all the tangents and detours taken away from the original topic(s) each thread starts with.

I'm sure we'd be a damn interesting study to someone in that line of work !

Anyway, I am glad that those of you who attended enjoyed the show.
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Postby bugsymalone » Wed Feb 16, 2005 12:45 pm

Someone should direct an anthropologist to this board......they could probably learn alot, and maybe they could explain all the tangents and detours taken away from the original topic(s) each thread starts with.

I'm sure we'd be a damn interesting study to someone in that line of work !


Classic, if anyone did that, he or she might recommend all of us for the nearest nuthouse.

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Postby styxfanNH » Wed Feb 16, 2005 12:50 pm

Glad you guys and gals that went had a great time. I don't care whether a show is 90 minutes or 3 hours. If your there, it is always too short.

The venues today are much more in control of the time. When Styx plays 90 minute sets, it's not because they want to, it's because that's what the venue allows them too. Styx does play 90 minute sets without opening acts. REO, Journey et al don't always tour with them.

The size of the venue or the size of the audience doesn't matter, especially if you're there. IF any of the bands I follow want to do a living room size show and it is close to me, I'll be there. Not worth trashing the size of the venue of either side, but some will choose to anyhow.

Each group of the band are doing what they want. As long as each group is happy. It is possible to support both side ya know.

Some are more upset about the split than the members of the band itself, go figure.

I am happy to say that I will finally get my chance to see Dennis at Foxwoods. Hope for more than 90 minutes but don't count on it. Although there will be no orchestra there so we will probably get more songs.

The end of these posts never are on topic of where they started.

You don't have to like how the band split, or what has been said about the others, but give the guys some respect.....its Tommy and JY...
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Postby froy » Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:03 pm

styxfanNH wrote:Glad you guys and gals that went had a great time. I don't care whether a show is 90 minutes or 3 hours. If your there, it is always too short.

The venues today are much more in control of the time. When Styx plays 90 minute sets, it's not because they want to, it's because that's what the venue allows them too. Styx does play 90 minute sets without opening acts. REO, Journey et al don't always tour with them.

The size of the venue or the size of the audience doesn't matter, especially if you're there. IF any of the bands I follow want to do a living room size show and it is close to me, I'll be there. Not worth trashing the size of the venue of either side, but some will choose to anyhow.

Each group of the band are doing what they want. As long as each group is happy. It is possible to support both side ya know.

Some are more upset about the split than the members of the band itself, go figure.

I am happy to say that I will finally get my chance to see Dennis at Foxwoods. Hope for more than 90 minutes but don't count on it. Although there will be no orchestra there so we will probably get more songs.

The end of these posts never are on topic of where they started.

You don't have to like how the band split, or what has been said about the others, but give the guys some respect.....its Tommy and JY...


When Tom and Jim give Dennis respect then I will give them respect
maybe.
They don't deserve any respect IMO
They destroyed STYX past and present.
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Postby gr8dane » Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:42 pm

froy wrote:
styxfanNH wrote:Glad you guys and gals that went had a great time. I don't care whether a show is 90 minutes or 3 hours. If your there, it is always too short.

The venues today are much more in control of the time. When Styx plays 90 minute sets, it's not because they want to, it's because that's what the venue allows them too. Styx does play 90 minute sets without opening acts. REO, Journey et al don't always tour with them.

The size of the venue or the size of the audience doesn't matter, especially if you're there. IF any of the bands I follow want to do a living room size show and it is close to me, I'll be there. Not worth trashing the size of the venue of either side, but some will choose to anyhow.

Each group of the band are doing what they want. As long as each group is happy. It is possible to support both side ya know.

Some are more upset about the split than the members of the band itself, go figure.

I am happy to say that I will finally get my chance to see Dennis at Foxwoods. Hope for more than 90 minutes but don't count on it. Although there will be no orchestra there so we will probably get more songs.

The end of these posts never are on topic of where they started.

You don't have to like how the band split, or what has been said about the others, but give the guys some respect.....its Tommy and JY...


When Tom and Jim give Dennis respect then I will give them respect
maybe.
They don't deserve any respect IMO
They destroyed STYX past and present.


Past and present!!!!
So they were never good for Styx ????
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Postby froy » Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:51 pm

When Tom and Jim give Dennis respect then I will give them respect
maybe.
They don't deserve any respect IMO
They destroyed STYX past and present.


Past and present!!!!
So they were never good for Styx ????[/quote][/quote]


Thats Not what I meant
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Postby kansas666 » Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:49 pm

Monker wrote:If you think it is such a big deal that Tommy and JY should be all jealous and want to join Dennis on stage, as Froy repeatedly said, please explain why this show was any different then the dozens of shows that were performed before it.



This one sold out? :roll:
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Postby kansas666 » Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:52 pm

froy wrote:When Tom and Jim give Dennis respect then I will give them respect
maybe.
They don't deserve any respect IMO
They destroyed STYX past and present.


You mean Denny, right? :roll:
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Postby SuiteMadameBlue » Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:55 pm

Monker wrote:

If you think it is such a big deal that Tommy and JY should be all jealous and want to join Dennis on stage, as Froy repeatedly said, please explain why this show was any different then the dozens of shows that were performed before it.


Dave wrote:

This one sold out?



I'm writing (LOL):

I'm lost, which show are you talking about? The one in Milwaukee?
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Postby kansas666 » Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:07 am

Does anyone know if the DVD of Denny's PBS special is available anywhere?

I saw the CD on Amazon. But I can't find the DVD.
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Postby SuiteMadameBlue » Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:10 am

You can order it from his website:

http://www.dennisdeyoung.com/index.php? ... ore_detail

Sometimes it's listed on Ebay.
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Postby SuiteMadameBlue » Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:14 am

Nevermind Ebay, I keep forgetting that this one goes to high:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 82303&rd=1

This seller sells this one all the time.
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Postby sadie65 » Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:23 am

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:Monker wrote:

If you think it is such a big deal that Tommy and JY should be all jealous and want to join Dennis on stage, as Froy repeatedly said, please explain why this show was any different then the dozens of shows that were performed before it.


Dave wrote:

This one sold out?



I'm writing (LOL):

I'm lost, which show are you talking about? The one in Milwaukee?


Monker is pointing out that Dennis' show wasn't all that different than his other shows based on what you wrote. I gave him different reasons, however it's a moot point.

Dave...he's being cute. Dennis has had several shows sell out, as has Styx. And both have had shows where they didn't sell out. So to answer your questions Suite, yes they were talking about the Milwaukee show.

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Postby SuiteMadameBlue » Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:26 am

That's what I thought, but like usual, I was confused - LOL :roll:

I know, Monker likes to be cute, what a cutie :)

Anyhoo, the wonderful show in Milwaukee sold-out within 5 days with a Pre-sale. It was listed on threads and groups (LOL), the radio station The Brew started the promotion and then it was listed on his site. After the 7 days it was listed for the general public, but it was already sold out.

I'll have to start a separate thread for the tickets sales......................
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Postby kansas666 » Thu Feb 17, 2005 1:17 am

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:You can order it from his website:



Thanks for the info. I just ordered it.

By the way, I think the Milwaukee show had a presale before the presale. Or he gave a lot of the best seats away to friends.

I was on line with 2 computers with high speed connections and bought tickets the moment they went on sale. The best seats available were in the 3rd row. Which is really more like the 7th row since each row has tables or booths that hold 6 people each. This means about 90 seats were already taken before I got there.
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Postby yogi » Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:12 am

Dave,

Excellent review of the DDY concert. When I saw Dennis a few years ago in Houston if I would of reviewed his concert thats about what I would of said. He is soooo damn talented its unreal. Still there was something missing from the show. The Las Vegas comment is really true.

Froy might have nailed what is missing for me in regards to Dennis being front and center all the time as a solo artist. I did get a little Eldred & Dawn Marie at the Houston show, but it wasnt like a Styx show when you got lots of Tommy & a decent dose of JY. Thats what was missing for me, it was just too much Dennis.

Thinking about it maybe thats why I like Styx so much better than most bands. You always get the Styx sound(even now), but you dont get the same guy front and center all night.

I dont like the current rendition of Styx near as much as the band that toured for 1999 - 2003 because Glen is no longer there. I loved it when he took the mic.
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Postby kansas666 » Thu Feb 17, 2005 4:19 am

yogi wrote: I dont like the current rendition of Styx near as much as the band that toured for 1999 - 2003 because Glen is no longer there. I loved it when he took the mic.


You know, I have to agree with you there. Not to take anything away from Ricky Phillips. He is a great bass player. But when Glen was in the band, they had 5 entertainers on stage.
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Postby classicstyxfan » Thu Feb 17, 2005 6:27 am

Some would say Styx "sold out" for the 1st time by releasing Kilroy Was Here in 1983.........

going off on another tangent, I apologize, but when I read that Dennis (show) sold out, that's what popped into my mind !
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