Augeri......Right choice? Wrong choice?-Debate.

[The_Noble_Cause]

If I close my eyes and listen to Seperate Ways or other famous harder rocking Journey songs I cant tell the voice difference between the Steve's. Remember Me eaisly could of been Steve Perry. They went for the clone, and they got him!

Yeah, "Remember Me" is one of the tracks that Augeri does sound damn near like Perry. One of Augeri's finest vocal performances. Interestingly, if you go pick up Augeri's early work like Tall Stories, or Tyketto-he sounds nothing like Steve Perry. This is why I don't really consider him a clone. And anyone who labels him as such clearly hasn't heard the other Perry-sounding vocalists out there.
I hate to always revert back to this, but Kevin Chalfant sounds waaaaaaaaaaay more like Perry than Augeri. I mean, damn near identical.

Neal was faced with the task of finding someone who could cover the old material while still being different enough to be capable of moving the band forward. With that taken into account, Augeri is about as different as they were apt to find within that very, very narrow margin.
His voice is different enough to set himself apart, but not so different as to not be able to cover the classics.

But he is no clone.
He'll be the first to tell you, that, for better or worse, he is no Steve Perry.

[yak]

They should have waited for Perry for as long as it took.

Then they would still be waiting, and there would be no Journey, which is exactly what you mean spirited girlies want. So glad they DIDN'T "wait" for Perry.

Perry had his second chance and he blew it....Journey should have never let him come back.

Agreed. They should have learned their lesson with (or should I say "without") him.

I don't believe he wanted to come back anyway, especially since his mother had to basically talk him into it. That proves right there he wanted to go on solo. He said so in an interview. Said something like "I didn't know if I wanted to do another Journey record. I had a successful solo album. My mom said 'Do another Journey record." He should have followed his original instincts.


Steve Augeri is a nice fit to Journey. He needs to come into his own, and write and sing some new stuff. That's apparently what is happening right now. This will be a new direction for Journey. I think Journey can pick up new fans with some new music. With so much crap out there, kids are likely looking for some good music.

[RubyTequila]

Augeri is definately the best choice IMO

[perryfaithful]

Hey! Maybe any of these "other" possibilities would have felt the same as Robert Fleischman did when asked how he felt about not being called to rejoin Journey before Augeri was hired.

But people go “Well, they lost Steve Perry, don’t you feel bad that they didn’t call you?” I go, “What for? Why would I wanna’ do that? Why would I wanna’ go out with them and sing?” It would be like a giant karaoke band to me."

[perryfaithful]

....and speaking of Kevin Chalfant, here are a few of his own words

yes, I do miss Steve Perry. Many people have compared me to Steve Perry, but I will say that if you go to Streator, Illinois and ask people “Does Kevin Chalfant sound like Steve Perry?” Well, they will probably say that Steve Perry sounds like Kevin Chalfant! He —Perry—definitely got out of the blocks a lot earlier than me, and I admire him a great deal. I didn’t have the intention of joining HIS band. I moved out and joined another band, and things happen, you meet people and one thing leads to another—they saw an opportunity and I saw an opportunity and we both just took advantage of that. But there’s a lot of people that miss that guy, and I’m one of them.

In fact, I’ll go as far as to say that in all due respect, I am not going to say anything negative, but when I go to the Journey shows—I miss Steve Perry up there. I mean, I know these guys and I love ‘em like brothers. I just saw them in Chicago and I thought they sounded the best I’d heard them with Steve A. to date. I mean they seemed to really be gelling as a band again, and Steve Augeri is finally finding a place for himself in the sound. He’s a sweetheart and I love the guy, but I have to be honest—there’s times when I’m listening and I go, “hmm?” I mean, come on, Steve [Perry] wrote it, Steve Perry sang it, and he just does “himself” better. Maybe I am just too close to the fire and maybe no one else sees it or hears it like I do. I probably couldn’t do it any better than Steve A, so why be so critical. Well, Journey is not just one of those fly-by-night rock bands. They are probably America’s version of the Beatles. Try touring the Beatles without Lennon or McCartney. It just isn’t the same. I know it and the band knows it too.



You can take those last two lines TO THE BANK!!

[heardonthestreet]

Right from the horses mouth.

Great post PF!

[Eric]

They should have waited for Perry for as long as it took.

What sense does it make to wait for a guy who is retired?

[Marabelle]

They would still be waiting for him if they had waited. Someone had to make the decision and I'm glad someone did. I love Steve and I'm a woman. It would have been utterly selfish and foolish to expect the band to wait a moment longer than they did.

Augeri is a great frontman. I wish people would stop putting him in Perry's shadow. Unfair to Augeri and definitely unfair to SPerry.

[The_Noble_Cause]

....and speaking of Kevin Chalfant, here are a few of his own words

Umm, yeah a few of his own words that have positively, absolutely NOTHING to do with this thread.
What purpose did posting those quotes of Flesihman and Chalfant serve?
That some people don't like the new Journey?
Does that vindicate you somehow?
None of us care if you don't like the new Journey.
Go start your own thread on it!
For the last time, leave your godamn anti-current lineup agenda the f*ck out of this!!!!

We are not talking about the devisive act of Perry being replaced and whether it was right or wrong.
This thread is simply to discuss the choice of possible replacemenets.

I will not let you erode this (like you do every thread) into an Augeri vs. Perry pissing contest. It's not about that.

[JourneyTroll]

If Michael Jackson beats his diddler case, then he should be the new lead singer of Journey. Think about it. Journey would be swamped with press converage at every gig. Journey would be in the news everyday. Michael Jackson is a great singer, dancer, and showman. He would bring life into Journey and attract so many new fans! Finally, Michael Jackson would regain his title as the King of Pop, so it's a win-win situation!

Journeytroll

[perryfaithful]

If Michael Jackson beats his diddler case, then he should be the new lead singer of Journey. Think about it. Journey would be swamped with press converage at every gig. Journey would be in the news everyday. Michael Jackson is a great singer, dancer, and showman. He would bring life into Journey and attract so many new fans! Finally, Michael Jackson would regain his title as the King of Pop, so it's a win-win situation!

Journeytroll

Oh Troll, ya got me LMAO!

But, a "diddler" case?? Not familiar with that EXACT word

[perryfaithful]

....and speaking of Kevin Chalfant, here are a few of his own words

Umm, yeah a few of his own words that have positively, absolutely NOTHING to do with this thread.
What purpose did posting those quotes of Flesihman and Chalfant serve?
That some people don't like the new Journey?
Does that vindicate you somehow?
None of us care if you don't like the new Journey.
Go start your own thread on it!
For the last time, leave your godamn anti-current lineup agenda the f*ck out of this!!!!

We are not talking about the devisive act of Perry being replaced and whether it was right or wrong.
This thread is simply to discuss the choice of possible replacemenets.

I will not let you erode this (like you do every thread) into an Augeri vs. Perry pissing contest. It's not about that.

Hey hothead potty mouth. Fleischman and Chalfant have both been mentioned as ALTERNATES for Steve Augeri which is what this thread is about. I have given you THEIR OWN words on the subject. Fits in just fine!

[PROPERRY]

I like the way Kevin Chalfant put it too.

It really wouldn't matter to me who Journey got to replace Perry, whether it be Augeri or Chalfant, or ANY other singer. Journey is just not the same for me without Steve Perry.

Lori


P.S. My opinion above is not meant to be negative towards either singer Chalfant or Augeri.

[yak]

If Michael Jackson beats his diddler case, then he should be the new lead singer of Journey. Think about it. Journey would be swamped with press converage at every gig. Journey would be in the news everyday. Michael Jackson is a great singer, dancer, and showman. He would bring life into Journey and attract so many new fans! Finally, Michael Jackson would regain his title as the King of Pop, so it's a win-win situation!

Journeytroll

Oh Troll, ya got me LMAO!

But, a "diddler" case?? Not familiar with that EXACT word

Troll, and perryfaithful, you both should be admonished from this board for saying a (soon-to-be-proven) pedophile should join Journey for publicity. Your desperation is showing BIG time.


That's the CHEAPEST SHOT I've ever seen on this board.

Not to mention morally outrageous, vindictive, and malevolent.

Now take your diddler and go have some fun.

[perryfaithful]

Nice try Yak! trying to spin this into something serious....LIGHTEN UP!!

[yak]

Nice try Yak! trying to spin this into something serious....LIGHTEN UP!!

UMMMM......Last time I looked PEDOPHILIA was a serious crime. Interesting to see you don't agree.

What's so light about putting Journey into this category?

It is morally outrageous, vindictive, and malevolent. It's also a description of a Desperate Perry Housewife.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Hey hothead potty mouth. Fleischman and Chalfant have both been mentioned as ALTERNATES for Steve Augeri which is what this thread is about. I have given you THEIR OWN words on the subject. Fits in just fine!

Actually, no it doesn't.
The quotes you posted weren't discussing what other singers could've been in Journey. It wasn't discussing the pros and cons of the other possible singers for the job (which is what this thread is about). Rather, what you posted was just two people (who happen to have been one-time potential Perry replacements) giving their opinion on the new lineup and the act of Perry being replaced.
THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT TO MAKE THIS ABOUT (like every thread).

I repeat, we are not talking about the decision to carry on without Perry and assessing whether or not it was right or wrong- do that in your own thread.
(and good luck with that, as it always inevitably leads to unremitting flame wars and unmitigable chaos.)

Like always, you are purposefully attempting to veer this thread off subject by posting negative remarks about the new lineup.
I don't care who said them. Not here.
This is not about that.
This about discussing whether Steve Augeri should have been Perry's
replacement, or should someone else have been Perry's replacement?
Got it?

One more time.....

This thread is for people to discuss the other potential lead singer candidates who were up for Journey. It's NOT for people to comment on the idea of the new lineup or the action of Perry being replaced (even if you are a supporter of the idea). I don't care who's opinion it is. I don't care if they are singers (like Fleischman and KC) or plumbers, or teachers, or unemployed or whatever. That's not what is being discussed here. Just calmy and maturely appraising all the potential candiates who could've done the job.

[perryfaithful]

[quote="yak"]Last time I looked PEDOPHILIA was a serious crime.

sure is.......

Seems to me though that Jackson has not been tried and CONVICTED as yet, so what are you doing?? Perhaps his people should call your people and have a talk

[heardonthestreet]

Thats the point NC. Nobody could have or can do the job.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Thats the point NC. Nobody could have or can do the job.

Ok, and you are certainly entitled to hold that opinion. However, the fact remains that Neal and Jon DID replace Steve Perry and DID audition several singers for the job. You may not agree with their choice, but frankly, I am not concerned with whether or not you (or anybody) agrees or disagrees with that decision.
Knowing that an audition process did take place, I am curious to see if fans think Neal & Jon picked the right man for the job or were to brash in their decision making and possibly overlooked what could've been some very promising vocal contenders.

I'm not interested in hearing anybody argue in favor for or against the act of Perry being replaced.
I know how you stand on that matter and that's fine, but this thread isn't the place for it.
I'm not discussing that here.

[heardonthestreet]

Okay, thunbs down on Augeri. I would have asked Tom Jones.

[perryfaithful]

This about discussing whether Steve Augeri should have been Perry's
replacement, or should someone else have been Perry's replacement?

And nothing is more appropriate to this conversation than the ACTUAL feelings of those who have been mentioned as REPLACEMENTS for Steve Perry. (if such is even possible, but hey!.... your nickle)

This thread is such an insult to steve Augeri frankly. Your slip is showing

[jrnyman28]

....and speaking of Kevin Chalfant, here are a few of his own words

It just isn’t the same. I know it and the band knows it too.



You can take those last two lines TO THE BANK!!

Funny thing is...most of us KNOW THIS already. We do not consider Journey to BE the same as they were. We do not WANT Journey to be the same as they were. And Journey is not TRYING to be the same as they were. SONY tried to MAKE Journey the same as they were with Perry and that is part of the problem with Arrival! But Journey has moved forward. As have MANY of Journey's fans.

[jrnyman28]

And nothing is more appropriate to this conversation than the ACTUAL feelings of those who have been mentioned as REPLACEMENT choices for replacing Steve Perry.

Something else that amuses me is that...Kevin says how he feels about 'replacing' Perry, and yet he DID replace Perry prior to TBF. Kevin and Gregg Rolie were both a part of reuniting Journey before Perry "came back". And if you stretch it a little, Kevin being in The Storm was just like replacing Perry...since Gregg, Smitty AND Ross were ALSO in The Storm.

Maybe he actually just "learned his lesson" from TRYING to replace Perry and THAT colored his opinions when speaking above...

[JourneyTroll]

If Michael Jackson beats his diddler case, then he should be the new lead singer of Journey. Think about it. Journey would be swamped with press converage at every gig. Journey would be in the news everyday. Michael Jackson is a great singer, dancer, and showman. He would bring life into Journey and attract so many new fans! Finally, Michael Jackson would regain his title as the King of Pop, so it's a win-win situation!

Journeytroll

Oh Troll, ya got me LMAO!

But, a "diddler" case?? Not familiar with that EXACT word

Troll, and perryfaithful, you both should be admonished from this board for saying a (soon-to-be-proven) pedophile should join Journey for publicity. Your desperation is showing BIG time.


That's the CHEAPEST SHOT I've ever seen on this board.

Not to mention morally outrageous, vindictive, and malevolent.

Now take your diddler and go have some fun.

Hey, I'm serious. Could you imagine how successful worldwide Journey would be if Michael Jackson became their lead singer. Journey would be the biggest concert draw anywhere they went and wouldn't have to rely on casinos to have their shows.

It's obvious to me that Michael Jackson should become the new lead singer of Journey!

Journeytroll

[The_Noble_Cause]

This thread is such an insult to steve Augeri frankly. Your slip is showing

Look who's talking?
You're very presence on this board is an affront to every current hard working member of the band.
Since when do you care about Mister Augeri's feelings?
If you care so much about his feelings, then why are you always detracting his and his band's musical efforts?


Besides, how is what i said an insult?
That I like Augeri and think he's fantastic, but at the same time believe there to be better singers out there in existence?


Do you think even Augeri truly holds himself in such high regard?
Do you think he would ever expect the fans to consider him to be the best and only singer currently out there?


-You're deranged.

[PROPERRY]

This thread is such an insult to steve Augeri frankly. Your slip is showing

Look who's talking?
You're very presence on this board is an affront to every current hard working member of the band.
Since when do you care about Mister Augeri's feelings?
If you care so much about his feelings, then why are you always detracting his and his band's musical efforts?


Besides, how is what i said an insult?
That I like Augeri and think he's fantastic, but at the same time believe there to be better singers out there in existence?


Do you think even Augeri truly holds himself in such high regard?
Do you think he would ever expect the fans to consider him to be the best and only singer currently out there?


-You're deranged.

You ask NC, "Besides how is what i said an insult?"
"That I like Augeri and think he's fantastic, but at the same time believe there are better singers out there in existence?"

It seems somewhat contradictive to say "Augeri is a fantastic singer", and then in the next statement say that there are "better singers out there".

If you truly feel "Augeri is fantastic singer", then why would you even consider having another singer or having this discussion? It just seems that you don't really don't BELIEVE Augeri is all that fantastic then?

The way I see it with Steve Perry is that I believe he is a fantastic , incredibly talented singer/song writer/ musician. Since I feel this way about his talents, I would not want to consider anyone else for the job.

Lori

[The_Noble_Cause]

It seems somewhat contradictive to say "Augeri is a fantastic singer", and then in the next statement say that there are "better singers out there".

Being that I am sane and my affinity for this band doesn't go any further than that, and in no ways reaches the blind-zealot, cult-like, idolatry levels of yourself, I am not suprised in the slightest that this is hard for you to grasp.

See, I am not obssessed with one singer (as you and PF are with Steve Perry). I own multiple cds from multiple bands and am fully capable of listening to & enjoying more than one singer. I know this concept might seem revolutionary to you, but I assure you, most music fans can & do listen to more than one singer. Most even acknowledge that some are better singers than the others, and find this to have no bearing on liking their respective music.
I like Augeri, but I do think there were better choices out there.
This by no means implies that he is currently doing a lackluster job, I think he is a great frontman! However, would I have preffered to have seen Chalfant get the job? Sure. Does this in any way hinder my enjoyment of new music or my concert-going experiences? Nope. The lack of Chalfant's presence deters from the show about as much as Rolie's absence does. In that, yeah, in a perfect world, I'd both rather see them up there on that stage, but truthfully, when the show actually starts neither of the two enter my mind. Most of all, I am thankfull for what I have.

Nobody is saying Augeri stinks and Chalfant is good.
It's not that clear cut or black and white.
Augeri is great and Chalfant may be just a tad slightly greater.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The way I see it with Steve Perry is that I believe he is a fantastic , incredibly talented singer/song writer/ musician. Since I feel this way about his talents, I would not want to consider anyone else for the job.

Sitting in a rocking chair gathering dust in a creepy Hollywood hills mansion (while petting a cat) is a job?
Get out!
Since when?
Where can I sign up?
Is the pay good?
What about benefits?

[perryfaithful]

[quote="The_Noble_Cause"]
See, I am not obssessed with one singer (as you and PF are with Steve Perry). I own multiple cds from multiple bands and am fully capable of listening to & enjoying more than one singer. I know this concept might seem revolutionary to you, but I assure you, most music fans can & do listen to more than one singer.


Where in the Hell do you get off saying I am possessed with one singer? Or that I don;t own multiple CD's from Multiple bands and am not capable blah, blah, blah????? You don't know jack about me! Or anyone else here!

Man, all of your prejudices are showing now! You are a FANATICAL PERRY HATER and your whole agenda here is to lie in wait for someone to profess their enjoyment of the man and you POUNCE...with such HATRED that you forget to make sense. Holes everywhere.....and they are getting larger every day!

Stop trying to disguise yourself as a lover of todays Journey in order to find and attack the fans of Steve Perry!