Augeri......Right choice? Wrong choice?-Debate.

[Eric]

Actually troll...Journey has been putting on a greatest hits show since 1998....ironically with the exception IMO of 2001, when they played a good deal of Arrival...

[The_Noble_Cause]

I could careless what you refuse to discuss here.

The phrase is "I couldn't care less". Get some education.

This is a message board that EVERYONE can reply to with their OWN opinions, whether YOU like the answers given or not here.

Problem is, see, you gave me answers to questions never asked, & opinions that have zilch to do with my topic. Stop being so blasted pertinacious and give up already. I know your wrong, and you know your wrong. Saying Perry simply should not have been replaced does not answer my question, it merely subverts it.

Stop making every thread on this board about your lord and savior! I don't want to talk about him here, he has nothing to do with my thread. I am talking about possible replacement singers other than Augeri and you are recedivistically going back to talking about Steve Perry and how you disagree with him being gone.- I DONT CARE. Got it? I DONT CARE!
Talk about that elsewheres as it only leads to inevitable cyber flame wars. Your opinions have nothing to do with my topic and you are adulterating it. Hell, you are practically spamming.

rather than posting it on a public message board & getting all upset because not everyone agrees with you!

Agrees with what? I didn't ask anyone to agree with me. I already said, whether you are vehemently for "perry being replaced" or against it, I am not interested in talking about that here - period. I would say the same to anyone who was praising the decision to give Perry the boot. We are not talking about that decision here in any way, shape, or form. Fortunately, the Journey fans have managed to adhere to my topic. Something you and your ilk apparently are incapable of doing. I wonder why that is...
Maybe (as many have repeatedly speculated) starting trouble with current lineup fans is your cardinal incentive for hanging around here. Your actions seem to lend credence to that claim. I don't know. Prove me wrong.
Stop diluting my post with you OT Perry-hogwash.

Why can't you spare me the grief and abide by that? Is it too much to ask for people to to stay on topic and not finangle their own personal agenda into my thread each chance they get? If the fans of Journey are capable of doing just that, then why is this so hard for you little girlies to understand?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Actually troll...Journey has been putting on a greatest hits show since 1998....ironically with the exception IMO of 2001, when they played a good deal of Arrival...

You sure about that?
1998's "The Party's Over" tour had a good deal of TBF (for the beggining of the tour at least), it even had a few instrumentals like the "Of a lifetime" medley. Good setlist.

[Eric]

You sure about that?
1998's "The Party's Over" tour had a good deal of TBF (for the beggining of the tour at least), it even had a few instrumentals like the "Of a lifetime" medley. Good setlist.[/quote]

The 1998 leg of the "Vacation's Over" tour did feature 2-3 TBF songs and was a long show (2.5 hours) so I guess I should exclude that from GH labeling in some respects. The 1999 leg featured much shorter shows (although they did play World Gone Wild and Good Time Tonite at the start) and could easily be considered as a GH show....

[yak]

Hi there. My opinion is Michael Jackson should become the new lead singer of Journey if he wins his case. Haven't you heard that allegations are only allegations, and a person is innocent until proven guilty? Michael Jackson is a better singer and performer than Steve Augeri. If Michael Jackson became the lead singer of Journey, then they would be able to sell out any venue throughout the world and reach mega-star status.
Journeytroll

Eh, Troll, your opinion can sway any which way it wants to. The website I gave has evidence galore of his sick persuasions. The mere fact that he is even considered to be what he is accused of would be enough for people to stay away from him. The people on the witness list have not been in touch with him in years. Quincy Jones told him years ago that hanging out with little boys didn't look good. His reply was 'nobody can tell me what to do.' He keeps calling Liz Taylor's home in the middle of the night and her staff keeps telling him to quit bugging her, because she is very ill. He was discovered registering both he and Emmanuel Lewis at a hotel as father and son. Those things don't even scratch the surface. Doesn't sound innocent to me. Unlikely that many people will back him up.

My point here is that YOU have the unmitigated gall to suggest that a creature of this nature should be standing in Steve Augeri's shoes. Maybe you need a shrink. Thank goodness Journey had the brains to choose another singer and move on.

Have you heard? Journey is recording an album, and has plans for what sounds like an awesome tour this summer! Can't wait!!

If you don't like Journey, why are you going to their shows

[The_Noble_Cause]

The 1998 leg of the "Vacation's Over" tour did feature 2-3 TBF songs and was a long show (2.5 hours) so I guess I should exclude that from GH labeling in some respects. The 1999 leg featured much shorter shows (although they did play World Gone Wild and Good Time Tonite at the start) and could easily be considered as a GH show....

Thanks for the clarification.
This year they played alot of old rareities like "Opened the Door", "Rubicon" "Mother Father" "Suzanne" "Happy to Give" "Party's Over" "Keep on Runnin" "Kiss Me Softly" "Chain Reaction".

Granted they are not "new material", but at the same time they are preferable to a strictly only-GH set list.

[Eric]

Thanks for the clarification.
This year they played alot of old rareities like "Opened the Door", "Rubicon" "Mother Father" "Suzanne" "Happy to Give" "Party's Over" "Keep on Runnin" "Kiss Me Softly" "Chain Reaction".

Granted they are not "new material", but at the same time they are preferable to a strictly only-GH set list.[/quote]

The only thing is..is that many of those rarities were only played at some shows....contrary to what is said in summary to the 2004 tour, the majority of shows were under 2 hours and did not include a lot of those. I did get to hear Keep on Runnin, Mother Father and Rubicon at Saratoga though. I understand their situation...don't get me wrong, but I would love them to take a shot at more new..whether is goes over or not. I think a lot of it is about presentation - look at Styx - they had the crowds loving Kiss Your Ass Goodbye because of the antics associated with it...

[SF-Dano]

I always thought that Geoff Tate of Queensryche would have been an interesting choice. He would have brought some "ryche" fans with him to the new Journey. Also as a fan of Journey's "harder rocking" tunes, I think Tate would have been a nice ally for Neal when it came to the writing process. Tate is an incredible vocalist, with incredible range to his voice. He would easily be able to sing all the classics, but would not sound like Perry.

I think from a marketing standpoint, Tate was the best choice to bring a larger and new audience to Journey.

All this being said, I do think Augeri is a great singer and a fine fit also.

As for waiting for Perry, I am not in the camp that thinks that no Journey is better than new Journey. Neal Schon's playing has always held just as much emotion to me as Steve Perry's vocals. Both are great talents. To have Neal not be able to continue the group that he founded just is not even a debatable issue in my opinion. Journey is alive and well. Unfortunately, the music business is not alive and well for classic rock music.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I always thought that Geoff Tate of Queensryche would have been an interesting choice. He would have brought some "ryche" fans with him to the new Journey. Also as a fan of Journey's "harder rocking" tunes, I think Tate would have been a nice ally for Neal when it came to the writing process. Tate is an incredible vocalist, with incredible range to his voice. He would easily be able to sing all the classics, but would not sound like Perry.

I think from a marketing standpoint, Tate was the best choice to bring a larger and new audience to Journey.

Thanks for contributing your thoughts and for most of all, for making the effort of staying on topic. It's appreciated. Although I knew Tate had auditioned for the guys, I had yet to hear anyone support Tate as their no 1 preference. Unique choice.

As for waiting for Perry, I am not in the camp that thinks that no Journey is better than new Journey. To have Neal not be able to continue the group that he founded just is not even a debatable issue in my opinion.

Eh, let's save that issue for another day, shall we? I don't want Perry-fanatics getting offended and going on the rampage ruining my thread again.

In case you're interested, here's what Neal had to say to on auditioning Tate....

Andrew: You guys auditioned, or thought about a couple of singers - you only auditioned a couple - one of which was a bigger name. I really couldn't see it working, but you must tell me, describe how it sounded, with Geoff Tate from Queensryche?

Neal:Yeah, he was a really great guy, a super nice guy, we got along really well. We ended up writing a song, but it sounded nothing like Journey.

[loveperry]

They should have waited for Perry for as long as it took.

Ditto!!!

The only other acceptable solution, so that Neal could keep "paying the bills", would have been the scenario that Perryfaithful presented.

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The answer to this question is......there is no replacement for Steve Perry and the other guys should have just started a new band and left the Journey name alone. They could have still played the music but just not called themselves Journey cause they are not Journey without their lead singer that gave them all their hits and their money.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The answer to this question is......there is no replacement for Steve Perry and the other guys should have just started a new band and left the Journey name alone. They could have still played the music but just not called themselves Journey cause they are not Journey without their lead singer that gave them all their hits and their money.

Please no. Please. That is not what this thread is about. I didn't ask should Perry have been replaced? That is not the issue. You are new here, but I have said this about a hundred times now.

"This thread is about the possible replacements Neal and Jon had to choose from. This is not about Steve Perry needing to come back or about debating if Neal & co. were right or wrong in deciding to replace Perry."

If you think there should have been NO replacement made, then go start your own thread on it and allow internet chaos to run rampant.
That is not what we are talking about in this thread.
We are talking about the options and talents of possible replacements.

This thread is not intended to talk about the divisive decision of Perry being replaced or if it was right or wrong.

While you are certainly entitled to hold your own opinion, I am not concerned with whether or not you (or anybody) agrees or disagrees with the decision to replace Steve Perry.
Knowing that an audition process did take place, I am curious to see if fans think Neal & Jon picked the right man for the job or were to brash in their decision and possibly overlooked what could've been some very promising vocal contenders (such as Tate or Chalfant).

I'm not interested in hearing anybody argue in favor for or against the act of Perry being replaced.
I know how you stand on that matter and that's fine, but this thread isn't the place for it.
I'm not discussing that here.

This is about assessing whether or not Augeri was the best possible pick out of the auditioned bunch? Ok?

[loveperry]

Okay and no there is no one. I hope it was okay to at least say that.

[Journeynut]

Okay and no there is no one. I hope it was okay to at least say that.

Say whatever you want...Noble is not a moderator here, nor is he the only poster to which you are replying to. I am interested in others opinions and I agree with your assessment.

The answer to this question is......there is no replacement for Steve Perry and the other guys should have just started a new band and left the Journey name alone. They could have still played the music but just not called themselves Journey cause they are not Journey without their lead singer that gave them all their hits and their money

.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Okay and no there is no one. I hope it was okay to at least say that.

Yeah, I guess that's cool.
I really just don't want an endless Augeri vs. Perry riot on my hands.
That's what always happens. Glad u understand.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Say whatever you want...Noble is not a moderator here, nor is he the only poster to which you are replying to.

No, I'm not a moderator, but this is my thread and I created it because I want specific responses that remain pertinent to a particular topic. Is that so hard to understand?

I am interested in others opinions

The opinions that you are interested in have NOTHING to do with the topic at hand. If you are so damned interested in hearing people debate the pros and cons of "Perry being replaced" for the gazillionth time then why don't you go start your own post on it? You know it only leads to unmitagable flame wars- I don't want that to happen here. I want to hear from people who have suggestions for singers besides Augeri (like the Geoff Tate mention).

I agree with your assessment.

Her assesment was that "Perry was irreplaceable". Well guess what? That is not what we are talking about here. I don't care if you think removing Perry was right or wrong. We are not discussing that issue as it only leads to arguments. We are talking about potential replacement singers. So if you like her assesment so much, go start your own thread on it

Why are you so hell bent on destroying the initial intent of my thread?

[Journeynut]

I was replying to loveperry. Message boards are like that. You can dialogue with eachother if you want to.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I was replying to loveperry.

I don't care. If you didn't mean to solicit a response from me then you could have PMed her. Moreover, you shouldn't have been speaking ill of me on an open forum.

I created this thread because I am interested in opinions regarding a certain issue. It is not a free-for-all on all things Journey or Steve Perry. If you are interested in hearing people scream at each other about Steve Perry being replaced, then please start your own post. This is about talking about the replacements who could've sang for Journey.

This is not too much to ask.

[Journeynut]

I was replying to loveperry.

I don't care. If you didn't mean to solicit a response from me or engage me in a dialogue then you could have PMed her. Moreover, you shouldn't have been speaking about me on an open forum.

I created this thread because I am interested in opinions regarding a certain issue. It is not a free-for-all on all things Journey or Steve Perry. If you are interested in hearing people scream at each other about Steve Perry being replaced, then please start your own post. This is about talking about the replacements who could've sang for Journey.

This is not too much to ask.

I suggest you start your own message board where you can moderate and control the replies.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I suggest you start your own message board where you can moderate and control the replies.

Here's an easier idea, what if everyone abides by message board decorum and stops inserting OT-issues (ala "Perry being replaced") into my non-Perry related thread.

"This thread is about the possible replacements Neal and Jon had to choose from. This is not about Steve Perry needing to come back or about debating if Neal & co. were right or wrong in deciding to replace Perry."

If you don't wanna talk about the topic, then move along.
It's that simple really.

[perryfaithful]

I suggest you start your own message board where you can moderate and control the replies.

YOU ARE RIGHT ON THE MONEY JOURNEYNUT!!

[PROPERRY]

I was replying to loveperry.

I don't care. If you didn't mean to solicit a response from me or engage me in a dialogue then you could have PMed her. Moreover, you shouldn't have been speaking about me on an open forum.

I created this thread because I am interested in opinions regarding a certain issue. It is not a free-for-all on all things Journey or Steve Perry. If you are interested in hearing people scream at each other about Steve Perry being replaced, then please start your own post. This is about talking about the replacements who could've sang for Journey.

This is not too much to ask.

I suggest you start your own message board where you can moderate and control the replies.

I'm right with you on that Journeynut!!!

Lori

[The_Noble_Cause]

YOU ARE RIGHT ON THE MONEY JOURNEYNUT!!

Umm, how is he right on the money?
Inserting random OT-content into people's threads, veering them off-topic and adulterating them is your idea of right on the money?
Fine.
From now on, I wll be inserting advertisements for various Hormel brand smoked meat & cheese products in every thread you make.
I implore everyone to do the same.
And I don't wanna hear a peep from you about it.
You got that?
Since you are such a proponent of inserting random junk into people's threads we will now see how you you like it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I'm right with you on that Journeynut!!!

Lori

Unbelievable.

I'll I ask is for people to stop inserting OT-issues (ala "Perry being replaced") into my non-Perry related thread so as to avoid conflict and you can't even do that?

What is so hard about this?

If you don't wanna talk about my topic, then move along.
It's that simple really.

"This thread is about the possible replacements Neal and Jon had to choose from. This is not about Steve Perry needing to come back or about debating if Neal & co. were right or wrong in deciding to replace Perry."

[perryfaithful]

How about this Bo Bice on American Idol???

[The_Noble_Cause]

How about this Bo Bice on American Idol???

Fine by me.
Whoever your shriveled little black heart desires. Just stay on topic. I'm serious. Why must every post lead to a flame war around here?
I know you disagree with the decision of "replacing Perry", and you are entitled to feel that way, but this thread isn't about that. Some people agree with the decision and some don't-it doesn't matter. I am discussing if Augeri was the best choice out of all the possible singers auditoned. I am not critiquing the act of replacing Perry. Discussing that only leads to one outcome: a perpetual cyber pissing contest.

[Andrew]

Stop fucking arguing please.
You can always tell a doomed topic from the start....picked this one a week ago.

[perryfaithful]

How about this Bo Bice on American Idol???

Fine by me.
Whoever your shriveled black little heart desires. Just stay on topic. I'm serious. Why must every post be a flame war around here?
I know you disagree with the decision of "replacing Perry", and you are entitled to feel that way, but this thread isn't about that.
Eternal thanks.

Changed my mind...how about Constantine Maroulis?? Sang one of my favorite songs, "Kiss from a Rose" by one of my favorite singers "SEAL" Oh Oh OH, but according to the Cause....or was it YAK (the same) I do not know any singers besides Steve Perry!! YAWN.......

Shriveled black little heart?? You are a sicko! Journey should be doing anything and everything to DISTANCE themselves from a weirdo like you!!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Changed my mind...how about Constantine Maroulis?? Sang one of my favorite songs, "Kiss from a Rose" by one of my favorite singers "SEAL" Oh Oh OH, but according to the Cause....or was it YAK (the same) I do not know any singers besides Steve Perry!! YAWN.......

Suggest any singer you want. Fine by me. I never heard of Constatine Maroulis, hey, maybe she's a good fit for the band. I dunno.
Just don't try to turn this around and make this about "Should Journey have moved on without Steve Perry".

It's about, should Steve Augeri been Perry's replacement, or should someone else have been Perry's replacement?
We know that you want Perry. We know that think Journey should have ceased without Perry. But I wonder, if you take those two options away, who would you choose to replace Perry.

Shriveled black little heart?? You are a sicko! Journey should be doing anything and everything to DISTANCE themselves from a weirdo like you!! [/color]

Andrew said stop arguing. Why do you persist? Oh that's right, because you hate Journey in it's present form and want him to shut down this forum. How silly of me. Whoopsie. I forgot.

[The_Noble_Cause]

This may sound crazy, but did anyone else think Mr. Big's Eric Martin had the potential vocal chops to sing for Journey?

Discuss.

[Monker]

This may sound crazy, but did anyone else think Mr. Big's Eric Martin had the potential vocal chops to sing for Journey?

Discuss.

Actually, I felt that way years ago when Mr. Big first came out with "To Be With You". He has that soulful voice that matches Journey so well. He also toured with Journey and was managed by Herbie. There are also Neal/Jonathan writing credits on some of his solo stuff and early Mr. Big albums. So, I thought there were some close enough ties to Journey, especialy because of Herbie, that he may fit into the band.