Classic Journey

by **heardonthestreet** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 2:59 am

Oh Please!
You people read back through your posts and check out the personal attacks and name calling, not to mention your hang ups on what you know or think you know, about the history of Journey.
If you discussed issues like adults instead of like school yard bullies, uou'd accomplish a lot more.

I feel that what angers some of you the most are issues, that are pointed out to you by us, that are issues that you yourself have issues with where the band is concerned, so you lash out.

Analyze that!

Sink to our level indeed, Eric. I repeat! Reread your posts.

by **jrnyman28** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 4:52 am

heardonthestreet wrote:Oh Please!
You people read back through your posts and check out the personal attacks and name calling,

"You people"? The name calling and 'attacks' have been pretty darn equal. And you cannot say 'who' started it because it has been going on for years.

heardonthestreet wrote:not to mention your hang ups on what you know or think you know, about the history of Journey.

What hang-ups? I think, for the most part, both sides have stated their points well. But it seems (to me) like Perry-only fans base their arguments/opinions on their emotions. Where as Journey fans base them on events/facts. However, we all know that how we feel skews our perspective on the events.

heardonthestreet wrote:If you discussed issues like adults instead of like school yard bullies, uou'd accomplish a lot more.

That street goes both ways. But you know as well as I do that nothing will be accomplished. Perry-only fans have their opinions and nothing Journey fans say will change them. It's been 7 years and the same arguments keep coming up. The only thing that changes are the number of people participating. Most just get tired of it...

heardonthestreet wrote:I feel that what angers some of you the most are issues, that are pointed out to you by us, that are issues that you yourself have issues with where the band is concerned, so you lash out.

Analyze that!

I could barely even understand that. But once I figured it out, I feel I must disagree. What 'angers' most people is the unwillingness to even attempt to understand where the other side is coming from. There are practically NO concessions made in these arguments. If you can't even accept my views than how will you ever see 'my side'. And vice-versa. Not to pat myself on the back, but when a Perry-only fan (I still wish there was a better term) says something that I can understand, I say so. I have even agreed with a few criticisms from 'your side'. However, I cannot think of a single time that a Perry-only fan has agreed with anything a Journey fan has posted. OhSherrie has come close to atleast accepting some points but then turns right around a disagrees anyway. It is a start. But in general, there are NO concessions from 'your side'.

heardonthestreet wrote:Sink to our level indeed, Eric. I repeat! Reread your posts.

As I said...it's a two-way street. And there is no way to point to who started it.

by **yak** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 5:21 am

RocknDeano wrote:
"HOTS, what the Hell is YOUR problem? You start this stupid-assed thread, stay silent for about 150 straight replies, then "come to the aid of little Lori." "

AMEN brother! She started this thread to start a fight. Be on the lookout for more from her when Journey goes on tour. Her only motive in life is disruption. Since she has returned I notice certain other posters have departed. Coincidence?

Lori needs to learn how to copy and paste only what's necessary, thus saving precious bandwith. :idea:

Besides, she usually reprints the whole post, then says something foolish like "I agree with you, (fill in the blank with somebody's name)."

heardonthestreet wrote:
"I feel that what angers some of you the most are issues, that are pointed out to you by us, that are issues that you yourself have issues with where the band is concerned, so you lash out."

You're KIDDING right? :roll:

I can see why Deano is angry, but I agree with Eric that the cussing puts you on the DH's level. You have interesting things to say, even if Perryites don't want to hear it, and the cussing makes it less valuable, even though it's not. I too, have heard that Perry is called a prick by some in the business. I also agree that he is toying with the very fans that made him rich, and is STILL doing it when he says "Maybe." He knows how to keep the chicks gasping for breath, yet still keep them at arm's length. A pretty cool cookie, that one. He obviously has major issues with commitment. And consider this...the Perryites are posting simply to get a rise out of you. They get their kicks this way.

by **heardonthestreet** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 5:29 am

Peace be with you all. Lora said once that all of this wasn't necessary. I'm going to take her word for it.
Like I said before, may all our wishes come true.

:arrow:

by **PROPERRY** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 5:58 am

Rock'ndeano wrote:Screw all of you. HOTS, what the Hell is YOUR problem? You start this stupid-assed thread, stay silent for about 150 straight replies, then "come to the aid of little Lori." I don't give a shit anymore. I LOVE what Steve Perry did for Journey and what he did for me. I loved and still do love, his voice. How I am different from the "Pro Perry" people is I can look at all the complete shit he caused, the number of people who cannot stand the bastard, and the way he cowardly left the scene. He had no intention of going on a TBF tour, and that makes me sick. Fuck him, because IMO, he fucked the very fans that both adore him and the fans that made him rich......

Lori, I don't know who you are but you are obviously so biased that you cannot realize the truth. Perry is a bad guy, plain and simple. That's probably a real big reason why the Band will never see Cleveland. How do I know he is a bad guy? I listen and read what many, many people in the rock n roll scene say...they all can't be wrong can they? Hey Lori, where there's smoke, there's fire.

This "certain wing" of the Journey board makes me sick...sick to my stomach. You are all so Goddamned Pro Perry, that you cannot stand to see Journey moving forward. You slam their shows, slam their new singer, slam their cd sales(as if they could be any higher now that we have hip hop, and no one sells records anymore in the melodic rock world), and slam every other facet I forgot to mention. Screw you. This is a JOURNEY board. I don't mind dissension, in fact I can't stand all the rah rah shit at Backtalk..."Happy Birthday, Deen" or "Let's hear it for Steve A"..that sucks. This is a good board, except the negative Perry supporters who want nothing more than to rain on the current Journey because the precious portugese god isn't on board. Keep doing it, because he will never put anything out again.

Finally, I am NOT two faced. I was kind to Perry, took off work to just see and meet the man. I had heard horrible things about him, but up until the WOF, I gave Perry the benefit of the doubt. I researched in deep detail to find out some horrible shit he has done and caused to people and fans, and he can kiss my fat ass. I don't care about fighting with you anymore; I know I'm right, you all "hope" that you are defending a sweet lovable, wholesome guy.

I don't hate anyone here, but I hate what you are all doing(pro Perry people). It's not constructive, and it sure in the Hell isn't informative.

Your WHOLE post Rock'ndeano is SO full of contradictions! You talk out of both sides of your mouth!

And you saying, "I don't hate anyone here", that is the biggest laugh of all! :roll:

You CLEARLY have SHOWN, by the way you "lash out at Perry" that you hate HIM!!!

Lori

by **yak** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 6:05 am

I'd like to remind you that you are the person who created this thread. :roll:

So now you want people to move on when things don't go your way? Make up your cotton pickin mind.

Which Lora are you talking about :?:

Lori needs to learn how to copy and paste only what's necessary, thus saving precious bandwith. :idea:

Besides, she usually reprints the whole post, then says something foolish like "I agree with you, (fill in the blank with somebody's name)."

by **jrnyman28** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 6:50 am

PROPERRY wrote:And you saying, "I don't hate anyone here", that is the biggest laugh of all!

You CLEARLY have SHOWN, by the way you "lash out at Perry" that you hate HIM!!!

Lori

Well Lori, last time I checked, Perry is not here. So that one doesn't count. And anger does not equal hate...keep that in mind.

by **jrnyman28** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 6:53 am

yak wrote:Which Lora are you talking about

That would be Lora Beard, who has gone on record to say the bickering is useless and not necessary. This is certainly true, but it hasn't stopped anyone before. Lora made that post over two years ago and it didn't change anything. I think it is good for HOTS to back off, but she should not hide behind Lora's comments.

by **Abitaman** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:58 am

heardonthestreet wrote:Oh Please!
You people read back through your posts and check out the personal attacks and name calling, not to mention your hang ups on what you know or think you know, about the history of Journey.
If you discussed issues like adults instead of like school yard bullies, uou'd accomplish a lot more.

I feel that what angers some of you the most are issues, that are pointed out to you by us, that are issues that you yourself have issues with where the band is concerned, so you lash out.

Analyze that!

Sink to our level indeed, Eric. I repeat! Reread your posts.

I have analyzed what you said, and gone back and looked. I can not find one time I cussed. F*** and GD are not part of my everyday talking. So I have not lased out, at you or anyone, and if I did, I would be the first to apologize. What angers me is use of poddy mouths, in boards, movies, and music. That is one thing I have liked about Journey, I could take my kids to see what a good rock group is all about.
My comments about the cussing was not direted at any certain person, if it was it would have been qouted, like the comments above.
My comments about Journey was pointed at people who are Perry fans and refuse to look at Journey now, without Perry.-ERIC

by **Abitaman** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:59 am

heardonthestreet wrote:Oh Please!
You people read back through your posts and check out the personal attacks and name calling, not to mention your hang ups on what you know or think you know, about the history of Journey.
If you discussed issues like adults instead of like school yard bullies, uou'd accomplish a lot more.

I feel that what angers some of you the most are issues, that are pointed out to you by us, that are issues that you yourself have issues with where the band is concerned, so you lash out.

Analyze that!

Sink to our level indeed, Eric. I repeat! Reread your posts.

I have analyzed what you said, and gone back and looked. I can not find one time I cussed. F*** and GD are not part of my everyday talking. So I have not lased out, at you or anyone, and if I did, I would be the first to apologize. What angers me is use of poddy mouths, in boards, movies, and music. That is one thing I have liked about Journey, I could take my kids to see what a good rock group is all about.
My comments about the cussing was not direted at any certain person, if it was it would have been qouted, like the comments above.
My comments about Journey was pointed at people who are Perry fans and refuse to look at Journey now, without Perry.-ERIC

by **RubyTequila** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:32 am

12 pages of the same bullshit...next topic please!

by **PROPERRY** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 4:03 pm

jrnyman28 wrote:
PROPERRY wrote:And you saying, "I don't hate anyone here", that is the biggest laugh of all!

You CLEARLY have SHOWN, by the way you "lash out at Perry" that you hate HIM!!!

Lori

Well Lori, last time I checked, Perry is not here. So that one doesn't count. And anger does not equal hate...keep that in mind.

Jrnyman,

I didn't say Perry was here on the board! However Rock'n deano is directing all "his anger" & "his OWN personal issues" AT Perry HERE.

Yes, I appreciate that people can get angry & spout off , but in this case, it seems odd for a fan to be "this angry" towards a singer that they don't even really know personally.

Whatever happened in the band, it happened between the band members! All Perry DID to rock'ndeano was just shake his hand at the WOF!

Lori

by **Rockindeano** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 4:33 am

PROPERRY wrote:
jrnyman28 wrote:
PROPERRY wrote:And you saying, "I don't hate anyone here", that is the biggest laugh of all!

You CLEARLY have SHOWN, by the way you "lash out at Perry" that you hate HIM!!!

Lori

Well Lori, last time I checked, Perry is not here. So that one doesn't count. And anger does not equal hate...keep that in mind.

Jrnyman,

I didn't say Perry was here on the board! However Rock'n deano is directing all "his anger" & "his OWN personal issues" AT Perry HERE.

Yes, I appreciate that people can get angry & spout off , but in this case, it seems odd for a fan to be "this angry" towards a singer that they don't even really know personally.

Whatever happened in the band, it happened between the band members! All Perry DID to rock'ndeano was just shake his hand at the WOF!

Lori

Uh Lori, this is my LAST post on this thread. I was the BIGGEST supporter of Steve Perry for 20 years or so. All I heard was, "he is a sissy" or " He sings without balls" or whatever. I ALWAYS defended him. Herbie said some prett harsh things of Perry and I still defended him. I have to say, that I sat down one weekend(I was injured in a train wreck, so I really had no choice), and did some exstensive research. I found out so much "bad" stuff about Perry, and in conjunction with this particular thread, have seen the light. He is a bad guy, plain and simple.
I later told myself that even though his voice and music had enlightened my life, that his character was more important to me. I believe that a person should accept adulation and praise for be a good guy and doing good things, and conversely, accept responsibility for being a shithead and doing dumb things. I stand with this statement. Yes, I literally can't stand the thought of him tarnishing the Band Journey anylonger, and want him out of anything Journey. I wish him well in his life, but hope to God he stays away from the Band...you know the band? Journey??

by **yak** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 6:05 am

Abitaman wrote:WYLAW charted on the a/c charts. The # 3 was album chart for TBF. Could be wrong, been years since I looked at it-ERIC

You are correct, Eric. TBF debuted at No. 3 on the album charts.

Unfortunately it didn't stay there too long since there was no tour to back it up. Who knows what could have been?

by **yak** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 6:23 am

jrnyman28 wrote:Really? Could you enlighten me a bit, because from whatI saw on BTM it is pretty clear. Smitty may be able to say that he really wasn't right for what Perry wanted...but that doesn't change the fact that Perry had Smitty fired because Smitty wasn't what Perry wanted. Ross' issues were different, but it was still Perry who had him "let go".

So if there is something else, I really would like to see it. (but let's remember that if they are interviews from the ROR promotion, OF COURSE Journey would paint a prettier/positive picture about it!!)

Does anybody remember the ROR Rockumentary, originally shown on MTV? In it Perry stated that Smitty and Ross were not needed for ROR because the band was going in a new musical direction and they wouldn't be able to play the music for the album. Then something about how Smitty loved playing jazz fusion, and that's what his heart was calling him to do.

by **jrnyman28** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 8:36 am

yak wrote:Does anybody remember the ROR Rockumentary, originally shown on MTV? In it Perry stated that Smitty and Ross were not needed for ROR because the band was going in a new musical direction and they wouldn't be able to play the music for the album.

What a cop out. Not needed?? That makes them sound like they contributed NOTHING to Journey. That's terrible. And the funny thing is that, in my mind, Mike Baird and Larrie Londin contributed NOTHING to Journey. Randy did, by adding that r&b feel. I am sure that is why Perry liked him.

yak wrote:Then something about how Smitty loved playing jazz fusion, and that's what his heart was calling him to do.

Yeah, that is where is heart was calling him...AFTER he was dismissed!

by **jrnyjetster** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 1:03 am

RubyTequila wrote:12 pages of the same bullshit...next topic please!

Have the friggin' cows come home yet??!! Geesh...how many times do we have to go around the block on this subject? The Wheel in The Sky keeps on turnin' folks and change is what makes the world go round. The Journey IS what it IS. You're either on board with it or your not, plain and simple.

by **yak** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:46 am

You're right, jrnyman! Definitely a cop out. Mike Baird and Larrie Londin were studio musicians weren't they? Randy held his own, even in spandex! I recall in the fan newsletters at the time it appeared that everything was rosy and the album was coming along nicely, with Smitty and Ross, which wasn't the truth. The album never came along till much later, and and withOUT Steve and Ross. There was apparently trouble in paradise even back then.

Another cryptic tidbit from that rockumentary was when Perry said "You have to stop touring or you'll end up on the side of the road in the weeds somewhere." Not sure who he was talking about. All in all though, it was a good piece of film. I still have it tucked away with a lot of other Journey memorabilia.

by **jrnyman28** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:55 am

Sadly I never had the chance to see the ROR documentary.

I think it is strange that at the time, I was not even aware of the documentary. I was still a full-blown Journey fan and I had plans to road-trip from Albq to Tucson for the show. That was the closest Journey was coming to me and I just HAD to go. The day the tix went on sale they sold out in something like 20 minutes!! I was SO depressed. Then Journey announced another date in Tucson so here was my shot! After all, they couldn't possibly sell out a 2nd show that fast...everyone else already HAD their tickets, RIGHT? WAY WRONG! The 2nd show sold out in about 30 minutes. This was all happening when the only way to buy the tickets was over the phone or in person in the city. We never got through...
But since I was so involved with the band, I wonder how it is that I missed the CBS documentary??

BTW..how do you get rid of a "STICKY" post once the thread has become relatively innactive? Oh Andrew? I think it is time to let this thread and the Cain or Rolie thread go...

by **yak** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 7:05 am

jrnyman28 wrote:Sadly I never had the chance to see the ROR documentary.

But since I was so involved with the band, I wonder how it is that I missed the CBS documentary??

It was on MTV, NOT CBS. It was part of a concert series, I believe. It had footage of the ROR tour, and stuff about each band member. I don't know how you missed it; I happened to find out it was going to be telecast, so I taped it that night.

how do you get rid of a "STICKY" post once the thread has become relatively innactive?

Yeah, the Poll results speak for themselves.

by **Rockindeano** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 10:36 am

Folks, I have this tape. It shows interviews with all the guys. I specifically remember them introducing Perry. EVERYONE in the band had glorious stuff to say about him..when the camera panned to Steve, he just smiled and didn't say anything. He was very flattered...Nice moment. If I can find that thing, I will post it, and you all can give me about 7 bucks and i'll dub it and mail you one, ok?

-out

by **Journeynut** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 12:01 am

Rock'ndeano wrote:Folks, I have this tape. It shows interviews with all the guys. I specifically remember them introducing Perry. EVERYONE in the band had glorious stuff to say about him..when the camera panned to Steve, he just smiled and didn't say anything. He was very flattered...Nice moment. If I can find that thing, I will post it, and you all can give me about 7 bucks and i'll dub it and mail you one, ok?

-out

I have the ROR documentary. I remember when it was out during the promotion of ROR and that is the way I thought Journey is and was.Fast forward to the BTM, you find out they were about to kill eachother...Neal recorded his part of the record later....they did not want to fire Ross and Smitty.. They hated the style of the record. Everything on that documentary is not true.
....but why should it be. It was a promotion for the fans. Even today I think bands provide stuff like this to promote their tour or record (CD today) not to give the gospel truth to the fans about what is really going on.

by **jrnyman28** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 2:42 am

I agree Journeynut, I wouldn't expect anything else from it. How well would a cd sell if the fan base knew the band was falling apart?

But Yak, I am almost certain that the ROR Documentary aired on CBS. Maybe it was aired on both?

by **yak** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 3:33 am

Jrnyman, it could have aired on CBS also. I'm just not aware that it did. The original I am sure was on MTV. It ran for an hour, but minus commercials it might have been 40 minutes. I taped mine from MTV, back in the day when they actually aired music videos. I believe it was part of a summer concert series.

....they did not want to fire Ross and Smitty.. They hated the style of the record. Everything on that documentary is not true.

Of course they didn't want to fire Ross and Smitty. Of course they hated the style of the record. Perhaps some need to be reminded that these happenings were directly attributed to Perry, who should have been shut down at the time, thus eliminating all future problems that occurred.

On this film, Neal and all other band members had some great things to say about Perry's voice. As I said before, it was a great glimpse into the band at the time.

It was a promotion for the fans. Even today I think bands provide stuff like this to promote their tour or record (CD today) not to give the gospel truth to the fans about what is really going on.

Maybe like Perry is misleading fans today by consistently saying "Maybe" yet never backing it up? Or is that different?

by **heardonthestreet** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 3:01 pm

LONG LIVE CLASSIC JOURNEY! :lol:

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 6:51 pm

heardonthestreet wrote:LONG LIVE CLASSIC JOURNEY!

Why the need for such a superfluous demarcation?
LONG LIVE JOURNEY!

-Period.

by **LAWoman** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:58 am

heardonthestreet wrote:LONG LIVE CLASSIC JOURNEY!

And therein lies the silliest part of these perpetual arguments. CDs are pretty indestructible. Classic Journey does not go away just because Journey continues to make new music.

by **jrnyman28** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 3:50 am

heardonthestreet wrote:LONG LIVE CLASSIC JOURNEY!

I forget, which version is "classic Journey"?
Is it the one with Perry, Neal, Gregg, Ross and Aynsley?
Is the one after Perry drove out Aynsley and Smitty came in?
Is the one after Perry drove Gregg away and Cain came in?
Is it the one after Perry fired Ross and Smitty?

There have been over 15 band members in Journey. All of which have influenced the path Journey has made.

There have been 7 different line-ups of Journey.

There has been one line-up to stay together longer than any other. That is the current line-up.

There has only been one continuous member of Journey. Journey is his band but he treats the other members equally.

Journey made it's name on the road. That is where it started and the hard work on the road continues to pay off.

Journey is.

And the Journey continues...

by **heardonthestreet** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 4:20 am

Have it your way!

LONG LIVE CLASSIC JOURNEY!
THE STEVE PERRY YEARS!

IT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR.
THE RADIO PROVES THIS.

People look at the band like they have four heads when they play any new material.
People go get a brew or take a potty break when the band plays new material.

Maybe this new C.D. will change this. Only time will tell. How many years is it going to take to get it right? I can't wait to hear the new c.d.so that I can witness a miracle in the making.

THE STEVE PERRY YEARS! Does that answer your question Dave?

by **jrnyman28** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:07 am

heardonthestreet wrote:Have it your way!

LONG LIVE CLASSIC JOURNEY!
THE STEVE PERRY YEARS!

IT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR.
THE RADIO PROVES THIS.

True, it is all the radio knows. But radio does not mean much anymore. Radio is a dinosaur. Radio is detroying itself.

heardonthestreet wrote:People look at the band like they have four heads when they play any new material.
People go get a brew or take a potty break when the band plays new material.

This is nothing new. ALL bands go through that. But just because someone grabs a beer or goes to the bathroom does not mean that they are not hearing the new music. This was Journey's mistake...they needed to push the new material more. New material catches on.

heardonthestreet wrote:Maybe this new C.D. will change this. Only time will tell. How many years is it going to take to get it right? I can't wait to hear the new c.d.so that I can witness a miracle in the making.

It could happen. I doubt it, but it could. But most definately I feel that it SHOULD!

heardonthestreet wrote:THE STEVE PERRY YEARS! Does that answer your question Dave?

There were still a lot of changes in the band structure during Perry's years. So, unless you are again negating everyone else's contributions to Journey's history, NO it does not answer my question.

MR

Classic Journey

Journey should have waited for Perry come hell or high water?

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