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Postby SuiteMadameBlue » Sat Mar 19, 2005 2:19 pm

Obviously we all have our view points on this board on the band Styx. It's nice to get a view point from one of the members of the band. This is an email answering questions and even adding his own opinions from Todd. He was answering questions from an interview from our very own Darren from this famous board.

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Hi Darren,

This "covers" issue is quite ridiculous. It takes less than 10 minutes time in a 2 hour and 15 minute show. That's really nothing when you think about it. Some venues want nothing more than a 90 minute show. When that happens, Manic Depression is out of the set and sometimes Ray is gone too. The Ray song is about 1:45.......One bloody minute and forty five seconds. People are bitching about that? Well, too bad. If we can't take a MINUTE and do something that is FUN for us.......and by the way, from my perspective, people are dancing and smiling and grooving to it. Seems to me that the audience is digging it too. If there are people in the back that have their arms folded and pissed that DDY is not there---and they are looking for ANY reason to piss and moan---well, they are gonna find it. People will find a way to bitch about anything. If there's one thing I've learned in my almost 30 years of being a professional musician.....it's that you can't please everybody. It'll make you nuts and you'll die tryin'. From club bands to wedding bands to jazz combos to big name rock bands....there are always sour pusses shitting on what you do. I've done it all, man. It's art and it's sjective and it's subjected to tastes and criticism. That's life. This covers record absolutely friggin' smokes. It gonna rip faces off. BUT, we are gonna get slammed for doing it. Hey man, I Am The Walrus has gotten the most radio play here in the states for the band since '91. It was NUMBER 2 on the Media Base Classic Rock Radio Chat behind the almighty U2 at #1. It cracked the Contemporary Hit Radio (modern top 40) at # 50 300 radio stations added Walrus to their playlists. Feel free to share this info on your chat rooms. Though not "Brittany Spears" radio success, it's pretty impressive---and NO BAND from our ilk (Journey, REO, etc) has had that kind of success at radio in friggin' years. The industry has been knocked on it's ass by this....and we are back on a major label because of it. The first time since DDY pissed off the folks at A&M and he blew their deal. That being said, I think it's a good idea to take 4 minutes and play that song.

I know you're a die hard. That's cool....I'm a die hard with many bands I love. But you'd be surprised at how many people would have blank faces back when we did Lights, Sing For The Day, Half Penny, and any of the back catalogue that wasn't a "hit." You have to play the hits, man. There are more "part time fans that come for a good time" than die hards that want to hear the deep album cuts. It's a sad fact, but a fact it is. You don't think I'd like to change the set up a bit? But if we did, there would be more customers NOT returning because they "didn't know any of the songs."

At the same time, it's always a balancing act and as I said---you can't please everyone. All the songs that you listed will be touched on in the medley. Inow you and some of the die hards would like to hear them in their entirety, but along with playing the hits and taking 9 minutes for us to have fun and do something NEW for US (god forbid) it would be a 3 hour and 15 minute show. We can't do that 5 or 6 times a week. The guys would have no voices left.

You'll see. The shows are gonna kill and you'll have a great time. It's just music, man. It's fun and enjoyable----life enhancing. If you get caught up in the muck and the politics, it really becomes less fun. Then it's a job and a total drag. Again, like anything, it's a tightrope to walk.

I appreciate your enthusiastic support and I hope I've made some things clearer. I am looking forward to playing the UK so much---you wouldn't believe it. I really can't wait.

It's gonna be great!

Take care, Darren. See you over there.

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Postby SuiteMadameBlue » Sat Mar 19, 2005 2:41 pm

I do have to agree with Todd's statement "you can't please everyone".

I hope we can get more interviews or questions answered from the members of Styx, past and present.
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Re: Todd's Viewpoint

Postby froy » Sat Mar 19, 2005 3:37 pm

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:Obviously we all have our view points on this board on the band Styx. It's nice to get a view point from one of the members of the band. This is an email answering questions and even adding his own opinions from Todd. He was answering questions from an interview from our very own Darren from this famous board.

Enjoy :)

[b]Hi Darren,


This "covers" issue is quite ridiculous.


Actually the covers cd is quite ridiculous
Im not going to blast Todd becuase I easily could
But he of all people should realize that without Dennis he would not even be in this band right now. He should just do what he's doing and not worry about the millions of pissed off Styx fans .
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Re: Todd's Viewpoint

Postby Zan » Sat Mar 19, 2005 4:46 pm

froy wrote:Im not going to blast Todd becuase I easily could



You're quite the high-roader, Froy. I just bet Todd's shaking in his shooz right now. LOL
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Postby Abitaman » Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:54 pm

Good article, and speaks volumes of truth! Thanks-ERIC
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Postby Adam » Sun Mar 20, 2005 2:02 am

FROY: Actually the covers cd is quite ridiculous

ADAM:
A) No it isn't
B) Who asked you and how many times have you performed or recorded music that you know so much more about it than Todd?
C) 10 On Broadway was a covers cd
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Postby ek88 » Sun Mar 20, 2005 3:58 am

Great post, and some very intelligent thoughts from Todd, who would certainly have more expertise than most concerning setlists, covers, etc. Thanks for sharing, Suite.
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Postby froy » Sun Mar 20, 2005 4:04 am

[FROY: Actually the covers cd is quite ridiculous

ADAM:
A) No it isn't


Froy
Yes it is

Adam
Who asked you


I asked me


and how many times have you performed or recorded music that you know so much more about it than Todd?


Oh I see you need to perform music to be able to say if a cover cd is a good idea or not
The local band here in the area just did a cover cd they sell them at there shows , Im glad Todd with all his experience feels STYX can be on the same level as a bar band .


C) 10 On Broadway was a covers cd


And it did not have the name Styx on it
If Todd wants to do a cover cd more power to him.
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Postby froy » Sun Mar 20, 2005 4:10 am

ek88 wrote:Great post, and some very intelligent thoughts from Todd, who would certainly have more expertise than most concerning setlists, covers, etc. Thanks for sharing, Suite.


Why would he have more expertise on a setlist ?
All he knows is the same old lame story of you have to play the hits
That is stale and the easy way out
The fans of most bands know more about the setlist than the actual band
Dennis is proving it adding Pieces of 8 Castle Walls Borrowed Time
Queen of Spades
Almost Styx should do the same
Screw the covers play an entire concert with songs like
Midnight Ride You Need Love Lights Havent We Been Here Before Half Penny ect It was a foolish statement on his part to say there was blank stares on the faces of the fans , How about they thought your band sucked did ya ever think of that ?
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Postby froy » Sun Mar 20, 2005 4:17 am

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:I do have to agree with Todd's statement "you can't please everyone".



Thats just it there not pleasing anyone
This band is obviously on the run the covers cd proves it
They just cant get it together without Dennis
He brings up the thing about the A&M deal
Excuse me is A&M a big company are they not out of buisness
Styx thought they would just cruise along without Dennis and that is far from what has happened , They just don't get it only a few Shaw followers are following this band thats 900 per show the rest see the name Styx and have no clue about the band. Enjoy that smokin cover cd Todd this one should all but finish this off.
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Postby SuiteMadameBlue » Sun Mar 20, 2005 4:27 am

Froy says:

Dennis is proving it adding Pieces of 8 Castle Walls Borrowed Time


OMG - how could you forget to mention "Unfinished Song"???? :cry:

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but Todd wasn't associated with the band anytime during the A&M time period. I'm sure he "heard" about something that "may" have happened during that period. Don't want to start a flame war, just an observation.
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Postby swwskj » Sun Mar 20, 2005 4:59 am

So it now appears that Todd is adding to the pile-on. Maybe Dennis is a jerk, I don't know him personally so I can't really argue it. But he does mention a couple of things I find a bit interesting.

(1) The Walrus song (which I like BTW) gave them their first radio play since 1991. Hmmmm, what song might that be referring to? The only current band member even associated with that project is JY and I don't think I ever heard 'Homewrecker' on the FM dial.

(2) The covers album gives them a major label release "which Dennis ruined with A & M" for the first time since the aforementioned early 90's release. Hmmmm, whose tune was it that originally got them that original deal? Once again only one current band member was involved with the original A & M contract and I don't think 'I'm Gonna Make You Feel It' was what got them that one.

Whatever control issues Dennis may have or whatever differences I may have with his musical direction of the last decade does not refute this fact: Styx as is known by MOST people began 'Lady' and ended 'Show Me the Way' with Dennis.

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Postby styxfanNH » Sun Mar 20, 2005 6:41 am

And I remember years ago that when the band broke up in 83/84 that they were under contract for 1 more new material album. I also remember reading that A&M was ready to sue them for not completing their contract. Then the band reformed and made EOC.

Todd has been a part of the band since 96 when RTP came to be. He is more than knowledgable on the issues that happened with the band, especially at that time. He was also there when he was a member of the band during the creating of BNW.

I have talked to Todd and Glen before and both have skirted the issue of DDY, but both eluded to friction between DDY and the rest of the band.

This is only the second time I have seen Todd lash out. And if you believe what he says is true, then the fact he gave as Dennis pissing off A&M is actually new information.

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A&M may be defunct, but that is only because Universal bought them. So once again Froy has no idea about what he is talking about. And if he looks closely at his STyx 20th century masters DVD, then he'll see the little A&M logo with the trumpet on the spine of the case.
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Postby sadie65 » Sun Mar 20, 2005 7:07 am

Not really. By that I mean, it's not new info he gave. And while Todd definitely would have more info than say, us, simply put, he wasn't involved in the incident he referred to. He bases his infor on what he has been told. By no means do I say it isn't true. I've seen 2 different reasons given over the years for the record company problem. Each story given by 2 different band members.

As for Todd lashing out, well, I would imagine it must be tiring to get asked about, reminded of, the fact that a very recognizable member of the band is no longer with that band. I found it interesting that he mentioned Dennis' fans , when it wasn't made clear that it was they who were complaining in the first place. Again, I am not saying it was wrong, just interesting. Leaves me with the impression that they get approached with this with greater frequency than they would like. I for one, don't blame him for that.

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Postby froy » Sun Mar 20, 2005 7:37 am

swwskj wrote:So it now appears that Todd is adding to the pile-on. Maybe Dennis is a jerk, I don't know him personally so I can't really argue it. But he does mention a couple of things I find a bit interesting.

(1) The Walrus song (which I like BTW) gave them their first radio play since 1991. Hmmmm, what song might that be referring to? The only current band member even associated with that project is JY and I don't think I ever heard 'Homewrecker' on the FM dial.


He is not even correct about that
I heard ON MY Way on the Radio
I also heard Paradise on the radio
Not a correct staement by todd.



(2) The covers album gives them a major label release "which Dennis ruined with A & M" for the first time since the aforementioned early 90's release. Hmmmm, whose tune was it that originally got them that original deal? Once again only one current band member was involved with the original A & M contract and I don't think 'I'm Gonna Make You Feel It' was what got them that one.



Dammed if you do kicked out if you don't
Bullshot if you ask me
No wonder he say' s people are dumping on him.
The band deserves it.






Whatever control issues Dennis may have or whatever differences I may have with his musical direction of the last decade does not refute this fact: Styx as is known by MOST people began 'Lady' and ended 'Show Me the Way' with Dennis.


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Postby froy » Sun Mar 20, 2005 7:42 am

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A&M may be defunct, but that is only because Universal bought them.



So there no longer in buisness as a&M
Just like I said
So once again Froy has no idea about what he is talking about.


So if Wendy's is bought out by Burger King is Wendy's still in buisness
Sounds like you dont know what your talking about .


And if he looks closely at his STyx 20th century masters DVD, then he'll see the little A&M logo with the trumpet on the spine of the case.
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The fact is ginga A&M is nobody anymore
So what the a&M deal did not work out there are many other big lables to sign with
It s another excuse for Almost Styx to bring up
Gee I thought he was out because he was sick
Now all these other stories come out
Sounds like these guys are liars
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Postby styxfanNH » Sun Mar 20, 2005 7:51 am

Burger King Holdings, Inc., the parent company, is private and independently owned by an equity sponsor group comprised of Texas Pacific Group, Bain Capital, and Goldman Sachs Capital Partners.

So Burger King isn't really Burger King.

I know a lot about what i am talking about. It's a DBA company. If you know what that means.

If Wendy's was bought out by the Owners of Burger King, it too would stay in business as Wendy's, continue to exhist as Wendy's, but would really be the company that bought them.

There are thousands of holding companies out there that own lots of other businesses, that you are not aware of. There is a certain advantage in keeping some compny names alive and retiring others.
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Postby sadie65 » Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:16 am

I know what you are talking about. Brand recognition plays a key role in determining if the company keeps it's name.
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Postby styxfanNH » Sun Mar 20, 2005 1:47 pm

The only reason Universal is bringing the A&M name back is that they feel there is some recognition with what they are trying to do.

A&M is recognized as THE label for late 70's and early 80's bands. At that time if you were anyone, you were on A&M or Columbia.
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Postby ek88 » Sun Mar 20, 2005 2:08 pm

froy:
Why would he have more expertise on a setlist ?
All he knows is the same old lame story of you have to play the hits
That is stale and the easy way out
The fans of most bands know more about the setlist than the actual band
Dennis is proving it adding Pieces of 8 Castle Walls Borrowed Time
Queen of Spades
Almost Styx should do the same
Screw the covers play an entire concert with songs like
Midnight Ride You Need Love Lights Havent We Been Here Before Half Penny ect It was a foolish statement on his part to say there was blank stares on the faces of the fans , How about they thought your band sucked did ya ever think of that ?


todd:
From club bands to wedding bands to jazz combos to big name rock bands....there are always sour pusses shitting on what you do.
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Postby gr8dane » Sun Mar 20, 2005 10:07 pm

Well spotted ek.
Suite,do you have more from those Q & A's.?
I must say, Todd spoke well for himself.
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Postby SuiteMadameBlue » Sun Mar 20, 2005 11:24 pm

Sorry I don't, that's all I was given with that interview.

There will be a few more (interviews) coming, hopefully.

Our film crew has access to Summerfest, I'm hoping we can have another interview with the band. My boss is working on it this week. The hard part with Styx, is that they usually speed into town, perform, then speed out to the next venue. It depends if they have a performance the night before or after. It would be nice to talk to each of them alone and hear their viewpoints. I only got to talk to JY for 6 minutes for the cameras I had to keep it professional for the documentary we were shooting. I talked to him off-camera only for 15 minutes. Nothing really earth shattering to share, we had a nice conversation. I do know that he doesn't care for the internet and that he really is tall - LOL
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Postby DarrenUK » Mon Mar 21, 2005 6:12 am

It wasnt actually an interview it was a personal email I received from Todd and I thought I would share it with you.........I asked him a few questions and asked him to be frank and honest in his reply and I am glad he was...........Todd told it to me how it was...........when the band tour the UK in June I hope to do a full interview with Tommy for Melodicrock.com......
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Postby bugsymalone » Mon Mar 21, 2005 8:31 am

Thanks for sharing with us, Darren. It was quite interesting.

Look forward to any further interviews you may be sharing here as well.

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Postby sadie65 » Mon Mar 21, 2005 8:35 am

DarrenUK wrote:It wasnt actually an interview it was a personal email I received from Todd and I thought I would share it with you.........I asked him a few questions and asked him to be frank and honest in his reply and I am glad he was...........Todd told it to me how it was...........when the band tour the UK in June I hope to do a full interview with Tommy for Melodicrock.com......


While I wish you luck in securing the interview with Tommy, I cannot help but wonder why you asked Suite to post this as opposed to posting it yourself.
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Postby DarrenUK » Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:49 pm

The reason i did not post it myself is because i dont have a computer only web tv hence i cant copy and paste.......only way was to email it to someone but I DID ask suite if it was ok before i sent it......
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Postby sadie65 » Mon Mar 21, 2005 10:19 pm

Ah thanks. I was just curious. I wish you luck with getting your interview with Tommy in the future.
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Postby Adam » Tue Mar 22, 2005 4:22 am

Where do I begin?

FRAY: Gee I thought he was out because he was sick
Now all these other stories come out

ADAM: Not only can't you spell and are illogical, but you can't follow a train of thought for more than 15 seconds.

Todd mentions the A&M dropping, and Froy jumps 8 years fast forward directly to Dennis' getting booted.

And if Todd HADN'T HELD BACK all these years, everything he'd said would've been refutted as "lies" by that demigog of misinformation, Frooey.

Sting signed to A&M, so did Sheryl Crow, before Polygram bought it, Universal bought Polygram. Both Sting & Crow remain. Other acts which Frog apparently discounts include Vanessa Carlton, for one.

The amount of records A&M sells could eat Frig for breakfast.

So much for how much Froog knows abouty the music biz. What a genius.
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Postby froy » Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:38 am

Adam wrote:Where do I begin?

FRAY: Gee I thought he was out because he was sick
Now all these other stories come out

ADAM: Not only can't you spell and are illogical, but you can't follow a train of thought for more than 15 seconds.

Todd mentions the A&M dropping, and Froy jumps 8 years fast forward directly to Dennis' getting booted.

And if Todd HADN'T HELD BACK all these years, everything he'd said would've been refutted as "lies" by that demigog of misinformation, Frooey.

Sting signed to A&M, so did Sheryl Crow, before Polygram bought it, Universal bought Polygram. Both Sting & Crow remain. Other acts which Frog apparently discounts include Vanessa Carlton, for one.

The amount of records A&M sells could eat Frig for breakfast.

So much for how much Froog knows abouty the music biz. What a genius.



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Postby gr8dane » Tue Mar 22, 2005 8:17 am

Adam wrote:Where do I begin?

FRAY: Gee I thought he was out because he was sick
Now all these other stories come out

ADAM: Not only can't you spell and are illogical, but you can't follow a train of thought for more than 15 seconds.

Todd mentions the A&M dropping, and Froy jumps 8 years fast forward directly to Dennis' getting booted.

And if Todd HADN'T HELD BACK all these years, everything he'd said would've been refutted as "lies" by that demigog of misinformation, Frooey.

Sting signed to A&M, so did Sheryl Crow, before Polygram bought it, Universal bought Polygram. Both Sting & Crow remain. Other acts which Frog apparently discounts include Vanessa Carlton, for one.

The amount of records A&M sells could eat Frig for breakfast.

So much for how much Froog knows abouty the music biz. What a genius.


Adam,I admire your patience.I often look at fruits drivel and all i can do is shake my head in wonder.
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