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Postby Guest » Fri May 06, 2005 6:28 am

Monker wrote:If the above were true, then many Styx songs prior to Cyclorama are NOT Styx songs simply because Dennis is not the lead singer and they were not bulit around his voice.


Dennis' voice was always prominent in the background vocals of the songs he didn't sing. Maybe that rubbed the other guys the wrong way, but it was a big part of the Styx sound for me.

Something that I felt was sorely missed on BNW.
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Postby bugsymalone » Fri May 06, 2005 7:05 am

If the above were true, then many Styx songs prior to Cyclorama are NOT Styx songs simply because Dennis is not the lead singer and they were not bulit around his voice.


So sorry I always have to spell things out v-e-r-y carefully when I post. I meant his voice within the entire mix that was Styx, lead, harmonies, background, what have you. The band simply is not the same with that voice gone from its entire sound.

Dennis' voice was always prominent in the background vocals of the songs he didn't sing. Maybe that rubbed the other guys the wrong way, but it was a big part of the Styx sound for me.



What IML said.

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Postby evileyes » Fri May 06, 2005 11:57 pm

Hippie wrote:...JY has a good ROCK voice...A big part of what I like about Wooden Nickel Styx is that he seemed to be more a the Frontman....it gave them more of an edge...JY has always been the rowdier, ballsy ROCK side! I'm not knockin' the ballads, they're great. But I think JY provides the much needed contrast to them....


Everything you've said is true; Young's style has always balanced out and complemented DeYoung's (and Shaw's, for that matter). I much prefer his songs on the earlier albums; on the later albums he doesn't sing so much as scream the lyrics (JMO). That's what I don't like about his "singing" now. Go back & listen to the early stuff and compare it to the more recent songs; is he really singing any more? I don't think so. Again JMO.

Hippie wrote:Without JY, Styx likley would have wound up being Air Supply!


Point taken, but then you've obviously never seen Air Supply in concert. Their music live is nothing like the studio recordings. It really rocks! (something I would not have discovered if it weren't for them opening for DeYoung at a show last year!)
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Postby Monker » Sat May 07, 2005 3:29 am

Dennis' voice was always prominent in the background vocals of the songs he didn't sing. Maybe that rubbed the other guys the wrong way, but it was a big part of the Styx sound for me.

What IML said.


And, I would mostly agree with that...it was a PART of the Styx sound. It was not built around his voice...like, for example, Journey was built around Neal's guitar sound.

Then, when you start going down that road, it means Dennis's contribution could be replace just as Tommy's was, since Tommy was/is ALSO an important piece of the Styx sound.

Then it is just a matter of personal opinion if that is acceptable...there is no right or wrong answer, as some people constantly say there is.

If a person doesn't like it, fine, but arguing against someone elses opinion just because they disagree is futile...It's a battle that can't be won. It's a strange game. The only 'winning move' is not to play.
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Postby bugsymalone » Sat May 07, 2005 3:44 am

Then it is just a matter of personal opinion if that is acceptable...there is no right or wrong answer, as some people constantly say there is.


I agree. And I think the majority of people on here are quick to claim that what they think and say is THEIR opinion.

Dennis being the key ingredient to the Styx sound is MY opinion only. This is why I am not a fan of the group out there touring and recording as Styx. Plenty of folks disagree. No problem. It is my opinion and I am not changing it. I have heard enough of the Current Styx to know I will not ever be changing my mind about this.

And here we go 'round again. Back where we started, to paraphrase the Kinks.

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Postby Ash » Sat May 07, 2005 3:51 am

Monker wrote:If a person doesn't like it, fine, but arguing against someone elses opinion just because they disagree is futile...It's a battle that can't be won. It's a strange game. The only 'winning move' is not to play.



Thats the life blood of this or any other forum tho... so it really is a bit "expected" even if it does get "old".

The Styx sound is the three main guys writing, playing and performing. Styx was defined by the sound produced by those men. To some people, the individual parts can be replaced and yet retain the same "sound" while to others, the sound is exclusive to the original parts (so to speak).

What you end up doing is talking in circles and it never ends. At some point though, the discussion has to be over simply because we get tired of reusing the same analogies and such to try and make the same points.

To me, and me alone: Styx was the original line up. Styx has not existed since 1984 in it's "pure" form. It wasn't "classic" Styx when Glen replaced tommy, and it's not "classic" styx now that Larry has supplanted Dennis. And you can reformulate the ingredients all you like - but some people will simply prefer the original formula. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I hated Coke II.... so I kept drinking Coke Classic. I am not a huge fan of the nuStyx (although I am slowly warming to the band save for Larry's singing), so I spend more time enjoying the classic stuff as opposed to the nuStuff.

I know this is going to sound screwed up, but if Larry wouldn't sing - I might actually be able to swallow this. IMO Glen was a far better vocalist - and song writer. I didn't think I'd miss Glen's presence in Styx as much as I do.



P.S. Monker, I like the "War Games" reference. Do you live in some kind of weird parallel universe to me or something?
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Postby SuiteMadameBlue » Sat May 07, 2005 6:05 am

It'sMyLife says:

Dennis' voice was always prominent in the background vocals of the songs he didn't sing. Maybe that rubbed the other guys the wrong way, but it was a big part of the Styx sound for me.


I totally agree IML regarding the vocals and sound :)
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Postby Guest » Sat May 07, 2005 6:12 am

The difference to me is that Dennis has such a unique and wonderful voice that removing him from the mix really effects the end result A TON.

Add to that fact that Dennis' songwriting style was always what I liked the most.

I also think Dennis' impact on the songs he didn't write and sing was fairly significant.

And by the way... I've heard a high quality copy of "Big Bang Theory". I think the band really sounds good on there... it's well produced... and the band really plays well on the tracks.

But it just doesn't sound like Styx to me and it will never be Styx to me.
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Postby ChicagoSTYX » Sat May 07, 2005 6:27 am

[quote="ItsMyLife"]The difference to me is that Dennis has such a unique and wonderful voice that removing him from the mix really effects the end result A TON.

Add to that fact that Dennis' songwriting style was always what I liked the most.

I also think Dennis' impact on the songs he didn't write and sing was fairly significant.

And by the way... I've heard a high quality copy of "Big Bang Theory". I think the band really sounds good on there... it's well produced... and the band really plays well on the tracks.

But it just doesn't sound like Styx to me and it will never be Styx to me.[/quote]


It’s nice to see you write something positive about Big Bang. I’ll agree that the sound is different without Dennis. But to me it still sounds like Styx just a little different. Anytime you replace a voice in a band there will be a difference.
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Postby Hippie » Sat May 07, 2005 8:04 am

Evil Eyes:
you've obviously never seen Air Supply in concert. Their music live is nothing like the studio recordings.


I completely forgot about that! I remember seeing a concert on HBO once and they opened with a rocker!

Oh no! I used a hype argument! The same thinking that sites Styx and Journey as soft rock band!

Shame on me! :oops:
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