Isn't It Ironic

[bugsymalone]

I noticed in a few posts on different threads that Current Styx is dropping Cyclorama “hits” from their setlist, and the album is not listed as one of theirs on the new CD.

Does anyone else see the irony, and humor, in this? Here is a band trying to form a new legacy and the only thing they are “allowed” to perform, at least for the time being, is stuff from the old legacy and covers of music that influenced them, but they had no part in writing.

How gratifying could it possibly be to have an audience singing along with you … to a Beatles tune? Or a Jetro Tull tune? And nothing from the first album of original material from (some but not all of) this lineup?

And I KNOW I am stirring up trouble here. Couldn't help myself.

Bugsy

[ChicagoSTYX]

It is possible that part of there new record deal is for them to only promote what is owned by that company. On the other hand it may have nothing to do with it. I have been to concerts where the artist (Elton John) has done the same thing. They only have so much time and have to perform the standards that most people at the show came to hear. They also have to play several songs from the new CD. That doesn’t leave much room for anything else.

[yogi]

Bugsy,

You are 100% correct. But as long as the lables can dictate to the bands that is how it is going to be. The lables want their material to be the material that the public purchases.

I remember back in 1997 when Styx was doing the Grand Illusion ll tour. Dennis told the audience how Styx had lost it's recording contract. Dennis made reference to some flavor of the month type band having a record contract and how Styx didnt have one. Of course after we all got done booing the record industry, Dennis went on to say that Styx had a bunch of new material and as soon as they found a lable they would be in recording it for us.

All I can say to this new Assembly Line is that its not 1979 anymore! Music wise and only music wise I wish it were!!!!!!

[Monker]

I noticed in a few posts on different threads that Current Styx is dropping Cyclorama “hits” from their setlist, and the album is not listed as one of theirs on the new CD.

and, when cyclorama was released, they dropped BNW songs for a few Cyclorama songs. It's NOT unusual to perform songs from the latest album along with the older 'hits'.

Here is a band trying to form a new legacy

I don't think that is what they are doing at all.

They are not going to concentrate on the future at the expense of the past. That would be stoopid. That is sumthing Froy would sugjest...and then contradict himself by praising Dennis for performing Styx' "Lost Treasures". That isn't exactly building for the future - AT ALL.

How gratifying could it possibly be to have an audience singing along with you … to a Beatles tune? Or a Jetro Tull tune? And nothing from the first album of original material from (some but not all of) this lineup?

How much satisfaction would they get continuing to perform the same set list, over and over again? Why should they NOT change it to help promote their latest album?

The time to promote Cyclorama is over...they SHOULD be removed from the set. The time to promote BBT is HERE, and they should be added. Later this year, or early next year, it will be time to promote the next album...I'm sure they will remove the BBT songs then. It makes perfect sense.

They mix up the set between old 'classic' songs, and new'ish songs. They give something for everone. There is nothing wrong with that. In fact, the only people I see complaining, or critiquing, are those who would never go to a Styx concert anyway...I doubt Styx cares what they think.

[froy]

I noticed in a few posts on different threads that Current Styx is dropping Cyclorama “hits” from their setlist, and the album is not listed as one of theirs on the new CD.

Does anyone else see the irony, and humor, in this? Here is a band trying to form a new legacy and the only thing they are “allowed” to perform, at least for the time being, is stuff from the old legacy and covers of music that influenced them, but they had no part in writing.

This is typical from a band that has no leader,
First off all the setlists from the last 6 years were terrible.
The Medley being the worst or the worst,
They cover Dennis they Cover Damm Yanks and the play Blue Collar Man Version 900
Where is You Need Love - Midnight Ride- Half Penny 2 Penny
Lights, Sing For The Day, On My Way, Suite Madmoiselle,
Shooz Little Suzie, Boat On The River, Home wrecker, Eddie,
Double Life, Man In The Wilderness.
These are all great songs ones which fans would love to hear
But NO they do Manic Depression
Talk about Depression the current Styx band reaks of it ,

How gratifying could it possibly be to have an audience singing along with you … to a Beatles tune?

Watch out Gowan sings that and Yogi admires the guy.

Or a Jetro Tull tune? And nothing from the first album of original material from (some but not all of) this lineup?

Wel Burtnick is gone so that hurts and 1 With Everything is not easy to play. Whats left?
Dare they try the Show Me The way rippoff Fields of The Brave?

And I KNOW I am stirring up trouble here. Couldn't help myself.

Bugsy

Thats why we love you Bugs

BTW The Free Styx concert is Tonight nobody seems to care ,

[froy]

I noticed in a few posts on different threads that Current Styx is dropping Cyclorama “hits” from their setlist, and the album is not listed as one of theirs on the new CD.

and, when cyclorama was released, they dropped BNW songs for a few Cyclorama songs. It's NOT unusual to perform songs from the latest album along with the older 'hits'.

It is unusual to not have the CD listed on there new disc that is what Bugs was getting at.

Here is a band trying to form a new legacy

I don't think that is what they are doing at all.

Your right they can't form a new legacy they have ruined the old one now its just play and get paid.

They are not going to concentrate on the future at the expense of the past.

No they are going to concentrate of the future at the expense of the Beatles past and The Who's past and Tulls past.

That would be stoopid.

You just made my case.

That is sumthing Froy would sugjest...and then contradict himself by praising Dennis for performing Styx' "Lost Treasures".

The Lost Treasures is the best STYX concert I have seen in 8 years.
Of course you have not seen it but you know all about it,

That isn't exactly building for the future - AT ALL.

They have had 6 years to build for the future
So far they have lost 1 member who blasted them for over touring
Now we have a cover cd
Thats not a bright future at all

How gratifying could it possibly be to have an audience singing along with you … to a Beatles tune? Or a Jetro Tull tune? And nothing from the first album of original material from (some but not all of) this lineup?

How much satisfaction would they get continuing to perform the same set list, over and over again?

They have been doing 75 percent of the same for 6 years and it won't
change , Lady Sail Blue Renegade Miss and Hands and 5 covers and that's
your great STYX band. Lost Treasures puts that to bed.

Why should they NOT change it to help promote their latest album?

There should be no latest album even though there is no such thing as an album. The idea was terrible from the get go
Thank God we had those awesome 2120 sessions
The band really made headway there.

The time to promote Cyclorama is over...they SHOULD be removed from the set. The time to promote BBT is HERE, and they should be added.

Im sure all Styx fans can't wait to hear Summer in the City live

Later this year, or early next year, it will be time to promote the next album...I'm sure they will remove the BBT songs then. It makes perfect sense.

There won't be anyone left by then/ :

They mix up the set between old 'classic' songs, and new'ish songs. They give something for everone.

They give us Gowan thats something for know one.

There is nothing wrong with that. In fact, the only people I see complaining, or critiquing, are those who would never go to a Styx concert anyway...I doubt Styx cares what they think.

Thats Shaw and Young and your right they don't care what anyone thinks
Just the bank account is all that matters

[bugsymalone]

The time to promote Cyclorama is over

I wasn't really talking about promotion. I fully understand the promotion of the new CD. Makes perfect sense, you are right, Monker.

What I was talking about is the only recording of original material from "the best lineup ever" has no representation in the current shows. It may change, I realize, but I just think it is ironic.

Right now it is just "old" stuff and "really old" stuff.

They mix up the set between old 'classic' songs, and new'ish songs. They give something for everone. There is nothing wrong with that. In fact, the only people I see complaining, or critiquing, are those who would never go to a Styx concert anyway...I doubt Styx cares what they think.

I have no problem with that either. I really wasn't criticizing so much as just making an observation.

Bugsy

[yogi]

Froy,

They have performed: Boat On the River 1999 tour( long set), Half Penny/Two Penny- 1999 or 2000, Man In the Wilderness 1999 (long set), Sing For The Day ( short version) Bad Company Tour, Lights 1999 ( long set).

I wish they would add Midnight Ride, Put Me On, Shooze etc..., on the same page Dennis also needs to mix his set up too!

Finally Bugsy you are correct!! One With Everything, Waiting For Our Time, These Are The Times, More Love For The Money something ORGINAL that was solely written by the current rendition( minus Glen) should be in their set list. Hell, add something brand new( w/Ricky) that they are working on for their next CD.

[sadie65]

The band is doing othing different than any other tour...by that they are incorporating songs from their new cd, as well as playing songs that the average fan expects to hear. I have enough boots from various tours to know this is what they've always done.

Dennis will be no different whenever he releases new material. He'll incorporate some new material, and play those songs fans are expecting to hear.



Carry on.

[froy]

Froy,

They have performed: Boat On the River 1999 tour( long set), Half Penny/Two Penny- 1999 or 2000, Man In the Wilderness 1999 (long set), Sing For The Day ( short version) Bad Company Tour, Lights 1999 ( long set).

I wish they would add Midnight Ride, Put Me On, Shooze etc..., on the same page Dennis also needs to mix his set up too!

Dennis needs to do just Lost Treasures dump the orch
Styx needs to add allot to there set and not in a medley

[Guest]

The time to promote Cyclorama is over...they SHOULD be removed from the set.

Yes, because there is nothing worthwhile or "classic" on Cyclorama.

Even the largely-panned-around-here KWH has the classics "Mr. Roboto" and "Don't Let It End" on it.

Too many apologists around here.

[DarrenUK]

Dont Let It End A classic ???????

Classic DDY are songs like Come Sail Away, Madam Blue, etc......I wouldnt call Dont Let It End a classic, ime not saying its a bad song but no classic...........And give me Cyclo over Kilroy anytime, apart from Just Get Through This Night, Dont Let It End and Double Life I thought Kilroy was a turkey........Double Life, Cold War, Heavy Metal Poisoning are just horrendous and each band member who wrote them songs must be embarrassed to admit that they held the pen when those songs were inscribed onto paper....And dont forget the worst was yet to come in the shape of Music Time.

[yogi]

I too will take 'Cyclorama' over 'Kilroy Was Here' ANY day of the week and twice on Tuesday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dennis himself said in hindsight it was a bad idea.

[DarrenUK]

I said Double Life was horrendous when I meant High Time....just got back from Florida so typos are a plenty due to jet lag

[Guest]

Dont Let It End A classic ???????

Classic DDY are songs like Come Sail Away, Madam Blue, etc......I wouldnt call Dont Let It End a classic, ime not saying its a bad song but no classic...........And give me Cyclo over Kilroy anytime, apart from Just Get Through This Night, Dont Let It End and Double Life I thought Kilroy was a turkey........Double Life, Cold War, Heavy Metal Poisoning are just horrendous and each band member who wrote them songs must be embarrassed to admit that they held the pen when those songs were inscribed onto paper....And dont forget the worst was yet to come in the shape of Music Time.

Cyclo sucks... not one single tune on there that anyone will give a damn about 10 years from now.

Sorry, but this line-up and everything they are doing is just completely insignificant.

Enjoy it while it lasts but it will be quickly and completely forgotten.

[Guest]

Dennis himself said in hindsight it was a bad idea.

I'm sure Dennis would say Cyclorama was a worse idea.

[styxfanNH]

and something is better than nothing. When, i mean if, Dennis ever puts another album out and we have something to compare it to then we can talk.

Cyclorama will never have the support of DDY is Styx fans, regardless of how good it might be.

[swwskj]

I don't think Dennis thought that musically Kilroy was a bad idea. He probably felt that the strains it put on the relationships between the band members as a result of the 'theater concept' was the mistake.

Scott

[sadie65]

I don't think Dennis thought that musically Kilroy was a bad idea. He probably felt that the strains it put on the relationships between the band members as a result of the 'theater concept' was the mistake.

Scott

I totally agree. I think he realized that it could have been handled better, but he doesn't think Kilroy itself was a bad idea from a musical standpoint.

[gr8dane]

I noticed in a few posts on different threads that Current Styx is dropping Cyclorama “hits” from their setlist, and the album is not listed as one of theirs on the new CD.

and, when cyclorama was released, they dropped BNW songs for a few Cyclorama songs. It's NOT unusual to perform songs from the latest album along with the older 'hits'.

It is unusual to not have the CD listed on there new disc that is what Bugs was getting at.

Here is a band trying to form a new legacy

I don't think that is what they are doing at all.

Your right they can't form a new legacy they have ruined the old one now its just play and get paid.

They are not going to concentrate on the future at the expense of the past.

No they are going to concentrate of the future at the expense of the Beatles past and The Who's past and Tulls past.

That would be stoopid.

You just made my case.

That is sumthing Froy would sugjest...and then contradict himself by praising Dennis for performing Styx' "Lost Treasures".

The Lost Treasures is the best STYX concert I have seen in 8 years.
Of course you have not seen it but you know all about it,

That isn't exactly building for the future - AT ALL.

They have had 6 years to build for the future
So far they have lost 1 member who blasted them for over touring
Now we have a cover cd
Thats not a bright future at all

How gratifying could it possibly be to have an audience singing along with you … to a Beatles tune? Or a Jetro Tull tune? And nothing from the first album of original material from (some but not all of) this lineup?

How much satisfaction would they get continuing to perform the same set list, over and over again?

They have been doing 75 percent of the same for 6 years and it won't
change , Lady Sail Blue Renegade Miss and Hands and 5 covers and that's
your great STYX band. Lost Treasures puts that to bed.

Why should they NOT change it to help promote their latest album?

There should be no latest album even though there is no such thing as an album. The idea was terrible from the get go
Thank God we had those awesome 2120 sessions
The band really made headway there.

The time to promote Cyclorama is over...they SHOULD be removed from the set. The time to promote BBT is HERE, and they should be added.

Im sure all Styx fans can't wait to hear Summer in the City live

Later this year, or early next year, it will be time to promote the next album...I'm sure they will remove the BBT songs then. It makes perfect sense.

There won't be anyone left by then/ :

They mix up the set between old 'classic' songs, and new'ish songs. They give something for everone.

They give us Gowan thats something for know one.

There is nothing wrong with that. In fact, the only people I see complaining, or critiquing, are those who would never go to a Styx concert anyway...I doubt Styx cares what they think.

Thats Shaw and Young and your right they don't care what anyone thinks
Just the bank account is all that matters

If they only cared about money,would they not be with Dennis??
I think they just wanna play without too many headaches.
It is easier with 2 bosses than 3.

[styxfanNH]

Again Froy appears to be the accountant for everyone other than Dennis that is associated with Styx.

[styxfanNH]

Dennis' last solo studio album came out almost 11 years ago, he plays nothing off that album. His album before that one came out 4 years earlier or fifteen years ago and he plays nothing off that. Even his last Styx album he doesn't play a single song from. And I think everyone agrees that Roseland is a great song.

Whether you agree with the song selection or not Styx is going to support this album. I bet you are gonna see two song from bbt rotate from show to show. and it makes sense that they would replace cycloram songs from the set. If One with Everything is removed from the set as an everyday thing, I would be surprised. But right now they are really adjusting the set for the European tour and getting the kinks ironed out with the songs they are going to include in the shows over there.

And there is no way in hell that Universal will put another labels albums on their cd's. I don't believe they are controlling the set other than Styx is doing the right thing by supporting the cd they just released.

[sadie65]

Dennis' last solo studio album came out almost 11 years ago, he plays nothing off that album. His album before that one came out 4 years earlier or fifteen years ago and he plays nothing off that. Even his last Styx album he doesn't play a single song from. And I think everyone agrees that Roseland is a great song.

Whether you agree with the song selection or not Styx is going to support this album. I bet you are gonna see two song from bbt rotate from show to show. and it makes sense that they would replace cycloram songs from the set. If One with Everything is removed from the set as an everyday thing, I would be surprised. But right now they are really adjusting the set for the European tour and getting the kinks ironed out with the songs they are going to include in the shows over there.

And there is no way in hell that Universal will put another labels albums on their cd's. I don't believe they are controlling the set other than Styx is doing the right thing by supporting the cd they just released.

Well to be clear, he (Dennis) did include songs from his last studio album up until 2003. and he includes Hello God off the current cd from time to time.

As I said earlier, neither is doing anything different from what they are supposed to do. Include material from the new release, and play enough of their old catalog to support the fans who are coming expecting to hear that. It's the same thing most other artists are doing as well.

Peace

[classicstyxfan]

I wouyldnt give it a second thought if not for JY touting Cyclorama as the best CD Styx ever put out.....if that were true, how could you cut the best work you ever did completely out of your shows ????

I guess those turned out to be just a bunch of meaningless words, didn't they ?

[styxfanNH]

lots of ways for it to be the best. Numbers aren't the only way to be measured by. I think most artists agree that there best material isn't always there most popular.

[Guest]

lots of ways for it to be the best. Numbers aren't the only way to be measured by. I think most artists agree that there best material isn't always there most popular.

Wow... you are king apologist.... no matter what they do or say you have some spin.

[ek88]

And I KNOW I am stirring up trouble here. Cool Couldn't help myself. Razz

Boy, I guess. What a difference 24 hours away from the board makes: 25 posts! I don't have a whole lot to add here, other than to agree that this is consistent with what they've done since Brave New World. Keep in mind they added A Criminal Mind, Love Is The Ritual, and even Sing For The Day to the setlist before the Styxworld release, in addition to the other examples already pointed out. Ironic? I suppose it depends on your point of view.

[styxfanNH]

lots of ways for it to be the best. Numbers aren't the only way to be measured by. I think most artists agree that there best material isn't always there most popular.

Wow... you are king apologist.... no matter what they do or say you have some spin.

No apology here. The stuff on Cyclorama is some of the best stuff they have produced in years. And there is no way peeps from the "Dennis is Styx" fan club would ever give it its due.

Words like greatest, best, worst are words that are up to personal interpretation. They're qualitative words. Just because you dismiss them doesn't mean you are right. I'm a realist opposed to someone that refuses to take they're head out of the sand and appreciate good music for what it is. Good music.

[DeeJaySTYX]

I believe that deep down in their heart of hearts that JY, Tommy, and Dennis truely believe that Grand Illusion was by far the best Styx album ever released no matter how they promote other albums.....


DeeJay...

[SuiteMadameBlue]

DeeJayStyx says:

I believe that deep down in their heart of hearts that JY, Tommy, and Dennis truely believe that Grand Illusion was by far the best Styx album ever released no matter how they promote other albums.....

Yes, you're right.

Dennis and JY have said numerous times in interviews that "Grand Illusion" was the best album that they all worked on together. I'm sure Tommy said it too in interviews, but I can't recall which interviews off-hand.

They were all in the studio working TOGETHER on this album. They wrote the songs TOGETHER