LITTLE LUCY SINGS THE BLUES?????

[Guest]

Did anyone else besides me notice that back in like 1979 -1982 when the Village People were huge Kiss was NO where to be found. Then when the Village People tanked Kiss re emerged.Pretty damn fishy to me????????

KISS had a huge hit in 1979.... nice try.

[yogi]

Was it Macho Man??????

[Adam]

For one, Kenny Loggins wrote What A Fool Believes (w/ Mike McDonald). It aint like I'm a fan of his or anything, but DAMN, I'm responding to a KISS and BON JOVI fan who prefers DENNIS DEYOUNG'S BALLADS to TOMMY SHAW'S ROCK!

Huh?

When it comes to singing and writing, Kiss suck, to be honest. It is about ANYTHING but music, what they do. Kenny Loggins, albeit a nerd, sings real good and has written some great pop. He's a helluva lot closer to what DeYoung does than just about anyone other than Billy Joel, Neil Diamond or Barry Manilow. Kiss are showmen. I consider them more akin to a Six Flags attraction than musicians. And when it comes to being annoying in interviews promoting his band, Gene "Hymie Klein the Shameless Huckster" Simmonds makes JY look downright sweet & gentle in comparison.

[Guest]

For one, Kenny Loggins wrote What A Fool Believes (w/ Mike McDonald). It aint like I'm a fan of his or anything, but DAMN, I'm responding to a KISS and BON JOVI fan who prefers DENNIS DEYOUNG'S BALLADS to TOMMY SHAW'S ROCK!

I listen to stuff that rocks so hard you couldn't possibly understand it. Rocking just for the sake of rockin' is pointless... the songs have to be there.

I much prefer a well written Dennis DeYoung song stylistically to what Tommy Shaw has written the last 20 years. Other than a few decent Damn Yankees songs Tommy hasn't written anything worthwhile in quite a long time.

When it comes to singing and writing, Kiss suck, to be honest. It is about ANYTHING but music, what they do.

You know nothing.

Kenny Loggins, albeit a nerd, sings real good and has written some great pop. He's a helluva lot closer to what DeYoung does than just about anyone other than Billy Joel, Neil Diamond or Barry Manilow.

Kenny Loggins sucks. Puhleeze. Go sing the Top Gun theme and shut up.

Kiss are showmen. I consider them more akin to a Six Flags attraction than musicians. And when it comes to being annoying in interviews promoting his band, Gene "Hymie Klein the Shameless Huckster"

It's Simmons you moron... and Gene Simmons is not bitter and angry like JY. Maybe it's because he knows he has the talent in the band where JY knows that he really can't write a song to save his life and Dennis carried him for parts of 3 decades.

By the way, nice anti-semetic slur there asshole.

You show your true colors.

[yogi]

When Kiss de-masked or de- makeuped (what ever the hell you call it) they couldnt sell out a restroom at Burger King.

Think about this if Milli Vanilli would of dressed up like Kiss or The Village People( same thing) they would of NEVER got exposed. That poor sap might still be alive today.

Ashlee Simpson and all of those out there today that cant sing worth a shit or are just lip sinc artists out to Kiss/Village People up and their careers wil last much much longer!!!!!!


P.S. I have been to two Kiss shows and the show itself was AWESOME, their music sucked!! But they did put on a GREAT ROCK & ROLL show. I never got a chance to see them as the Village People but who knows they may just decide to change costumes again once the trends change!!

[Guest]

When Kiss de-masked or de- makeuped (what ever the hell you call it) they couldnt sell out a restroom at Burger King.

Not true... when they took off the make-up they had their biggest album in 4 years, "LICK IT UP".

P.S. I have been to two Kiss shows and the show itself was AWESOME, their music sucked!! I never got a chance to see them as the Village People but who knows they may just decide to change costumes again once the trends change!!

Then they got your money doofas.

KISS has a better chance to get in the Rock Hall than Styx. Fact.

[yogi]

'Kiss has a better chance of getting to the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame than Styx does'

That is the FIRST thing you have written in this fourm that is probably correct.

On BOTH fronts thats dammmmnnnnnnnnn sad!!!!

[Adam]

What racial slur? Gene Simmonz' real name is Hymie Klein and he's hawk everything from Kiss beer to Kiss coffins and isn't embarassed to admit he's all about money & sex.

His bass solos are the most NON-musical display of musicianship I've ever witnessed. He's no bassist, certainly no "talent of the group" (if you wanna call it that, its Paul). And I'm definitely not anti-semetic and mentioned nothing to be considered such. If using the guy's birth name & calling him on his m.o. seems anti-semetic to you, you're tripping.

Hymie has more in common with bragging, boasting, unashamedly materialistic rappers like Eminem and 50 Cent than he does with the guys Styx were influenced by (Beatles, CSN&Y, The Who, etc).

You say I know nothing, but you dig Bon Jovi and consider Peter Green 'insignificant'.

[Guest]

What racial slur? Gene Simmonz' real name is Hymie Klein... If using the guy's birth name & calling him on his m.o. seems anti-semetic to you, you're tripping.

No it's not... Gene's real name is Chiam Witz which he changed to Gene Klein and then Gene Simmons.

Your use of "Hymie" was meant as a slur.

His bass solos are the most NON-musical display of musicianship I've ever witnessed. He's no bassist, certainly no "talent of the group" (if you wanna call it that, its Paul).

You show your ignorance with each successive post. Gene doesn't have a "bass solo" unless you're talking about the thing he does right before he spits blood and flies to the top of the lighting truss. Ya moron.

Gene is an even better songwriter than Paul is and I say that as I'm a huge fan of both. When Gene puts his heart and soul into it the guy is one of my all time favorite songwriters on this planet.

Hymie has more in common with bragging, boasting, unashamedly materialistic rappers like Eminem and 50 Cent than he does with the guys Styx were influenced by (Beatles, CSN&Y, The Who, etc).

My god you're a complete frigging moron. Gene cites The Beatles as his biggest influence. Pick up his 1978 solo album and you'll hear song called "See You Tonight" which if I didn't know better I'd think was a remake of a Beatles song. There are plenty of Beatles influences throughout early Kiss... get a clue ya moron.

You say I know nothing, but you dig Bon Jovi and consider Peter Green 'insignificant'.

I don't like Peter Green... big deal... get over it.

I have never been one who holds the "critics" darlings in high esteem. I don't like all of that crap.

Grow a spine.

[DeeJaySTYX]

What I have a problem with in this thread is that the posters are putting each other down because of the music that they supposedly like or dislike....Whether you like Roboto, Love Is The Ritual, Kiss, Bon Jovi, Kenny Loggins,Glen Burtnik, or somebody else, Or Not, Let's just keep that to personal preference and let's just leave it at that...


DeeJay....

[yogi]

You are 100% correct Dee Jay go back to the start of this Assembly Line then trace where it gets off course.

Damn near EVERY Assembly Line ends up in the same EXACT place because of one or two fanatics that visit Andrews site.

[swwskj]

It seems to have gotten off track when someone insulted a 30+ year old for cranking Mr. Roboto out of his mini-van windows and then got off course again by making yet another Bon Jovi name callling reference instead of refuting a claim. Beyond that, the endless cycle of retaliation started.

Something to think about before throwing that stone.

Scott

[Adam]

Fair enough, I'll back off on the personal tastes thing - I go for it in response to self-appointed 'know it all' comments, but I accept it's inappropriate. Let me just clear the air on 2 thinga and I'll leave it at that.

IML: Gene doesn't have a "bass solo

1. I certainly meant no slur. "Hymie" is common for Chiam. Youre reading into that. I’m part jew, actually (honest) and not anti-semetic.

2. IML: “Gene doesn't have a bass solo “

Encarta World English Dictionary: “solo n
a piece of music performed by one musician or singer, or a passage for a single player or singer within a longer piece…a performance by a single artist such as a musician, singer, or dancer without accompaniment…adj intended for or executed by somebody performing singly…carried out by one person unaccompanied by anyone else…adv unaccompanied by anyone…to do something alone, without help or accompaniment”

[Guest]

It seems to have gotten off track when someone insulted a 30+ year old for cranking Mr. Roboto out of his mini-van windows and then got off course again by making yet another Bon Jovi name callling reference instead of refuting a claim. Beyond that, the endless cycle of retaliation started.

Thank you for being the voice of reason.

[Adam]

Look, I guess we all just have to ACCEPT that some of the posters here are gonna sling insults, that's just how they communicate. If anyone dare respond in kind, it escalates until all hell breaks loose.

That doesn't make it right for the initially, inherent attitude consistently employed by the instigators. But I guess bullies will be bullies and there will always be the ill-mannered and the insensitive.

It just gets so freakin' tiring enduring the same old crap. It's been six years of hearing it from a angry-mouthed minority.

[bugsymalone]

It's been six years of hearing it from a angry-mouthed minority.

And from those who consider themselves the "majority" , too.

Bugsy

[sadie65]

Look, I guess we all just have to ACCEPT that some of the posters here are gonna sling insults, that's just how they communicate. If anyone dare respond in kind, it escalates until all hell breaks loose.

That doesn't make it right for the initially, inherent attitude consistently employed by the instigators. But I guess bullies will be bullies and there will always be the ill-mannered and the insensitive.

It just gets so freakin' tiring enduring the same old crap. It's been six years of hearing it from a angry-mouthed minority.

and yet...it will go merrily on. We're all tired of it, but apparently many here aren't tired enough of it.

[Guest]

1. I certainly meant no slur. "Hymie" is common for Chiam. Youre reading into that. I’m part jew, actually (honest) and not anti-semetic.

I don't think you'd call gene "Hymie" to his face, now would you? So it oviously wasn't meant as a flattering comment.

2. IML: “Gene doesn't have a bass solo “

Encarta World English Dictionary: “solo n
a piece of music performed by one musician or singer, or a passage for a single player or singer within a longer piece…a performance by a single artist such as a musician, singer, or dancer without accompaniment…adj intended for or executed by somebody performing singly…carried out by one person unaccompanied by anyone else…adv unaccompanied by anyone…to do something alone, without help or accompaniment”

Gene does not have a bass solo per say. Hitting, literally, a few chords to create atmosphere while he regurgitates blood is not a "solo".

Just admit when you're proven wrong instead of trying to debate minutia and things will go a lot smoother around here.

[bugsymalone]

Gene does not have a bass solo per say. Hitting, literally, a few chords to create atmosphere while he regurgitates blood is not a "solo".

Hey, guys! How about renting a U-Haul and toting all this stuff over to the Kiss board???

Bugsy

[Guest]

Gene does not have a bass solo per say. Hitting, literally, a few chords to create atmosphere while he regurgitates blood is not a "solo".

Hey, guys! How about renting a U-Haul and toting all this stuff over to the Kiss board???

Bugsy

For the record, I did not bring up Kiss in this thread.

I wouldn't mind renting a Uhaul and running over Adam and Yogi though.

[Adam]

MINUTIA??? It's about the ENGLISH LANGUAGE.

Encarta World English Dictionary: “solo n
a piece of music performed by one musician or singer, or a passage for a single player or singer within a longer piece…a performance by a single artist such as a musician, singer, or dancer without accompaniment…adj intended for or executed by somebody performing singly…carried out by one person unaccompanied by anyone else…adv unaccompanied by anyone…to do something alone, without help or accompaniment”

[Guest]

MINUTIA??? It's about the ENGLISH LANGUAGE.

Encarta World English Dictionary: “solo n
a piece of music performed by one musician or singer, or a passage for a single player or singer within a longer piece…a performance by a single artist such as a musician, singer, or dancer without accompaniment…adj intended for or executed by somebody performing singly…carried out by one person unaccompanied by anyone else…adv unaccompanied by anyone…to do something alone, without help or accompaniment”

You know not what you're talking about.

If you asked a bass player if that was a bass solo, he'd laugh at you.

[Adam]

IML: If you asked a bass player if that was a bass solo, he'd laugh at you.

Adam: My point EXACTLY. I happen to play bass. I've witnessed it myself: the point in the show where all leave the stage except the bassist, who performs music (and whatever gimmicks) completely alone is called the BASS SOLO.

This came from my pointing out the musicality of Kiss. I think very few would regard that band as musical or musically "significant". But they sure put on an entertaining spectacle.

Until a guy named Hymie (it isn't Klein?) goes on TV hawking the most tasteless merchandise and writes books about his sexual conquests. Then it all just looks cheap and sleazy.

[styxfanNH]

I must be in the minority. I don't have any of their albums, but I still consider them very significant in music and Rock N Roll. Lots of great stuff from all versions of that band.

[Guest]

IML: If you asked a bass player if that was a bass solo, he'd laugh at you.

Adam: My point EXACTLY. I happen to play bass.

I don't care if you play the skin flute, it ain't a bass solo. Go ask Geddy Lee if that's a bass solo... he'll laugh his ass off.

You don't know when to stop when you've been proven wrong.

This came from my pointing out the musicality of Kiss. I think very few would regard that band as musical or musically "significant". But they sure put on an entertaining spectacle.

Only an idiot would post on a Styx board criticizing the musicality of Kiss.

[Guest]

I must be in the minority. I don't have any of their albums, but I still consider them very significant in music and Rock N Roll. Lots of great stuff from all versions of that band.

It's funny that Tommy Shaw covered a Kiss song but anti-semetic Adam is on here calling them insignifcant musically.

Clueless.

[Adam]

I'm completely NOT antisemetic, and I surely haven't been proven WRONG about this. His name is Chaim. Short for Chaim is the name Hymie - it's what he was no doubt called as a kid. He hawks crap incessantly, shamelessly, and he takes a rather LONG segment on stage all alone, making some kind of bone headed music (basically slapping his "E" string) completely alone. That's his solo moment. That's HIS idea of a bass solo. If he didn't think so, why would he play the bass during it?

I haven't been proven wrong. You made some comment about Kenny Loggins and I retorted by pointing out the limited musicality of a group who is great at showbiz, and WAY-light on the music part.

You dig Dennis, you dig Kiss and you dig Bon Jovi. I just find it strange. I guess it's the spectacle you like. The over-the-top thing.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Okay, let's keeping going on and on about Kiss. LOL

I'll add a little useless history for those who are reading:

Gene Simmons (born August 25, 1949 in Haifa, Israel) is best known as the blood spitting, fire breathing, tongue-wagging egomaniacal bass player for the rock band KISS. His given name is Chaim Witz. In 1958, he emigrated to New York City as a child with his mother after his father, Feri Witz, abandoned his family. After immigrating to America, he took the name Gene Klein; he felt that 'Gene' was more American than 'Chaim', and under ancient Jewish law, he was permitted to take his mother's maiden name (Klein), since his father had left the family. In the late 1960's, he changed his name again, to Gene Simmons, as he simply felt that "Gene Klein" didn't have enough of a ring to it.

Simmons formed the rock band Wicked Lester in the early 1970s with Stanley Eisen (a.k.a. Paul Stanley) and recorded one album, which was never released. Dissatisfied with Wicked Lester's sound and look, Simmons and Stanley went looking for other musicians and eventually joined up with drummer Peter Criscoula and lead guitarist Paul Frehley—who would become Peter Criss and Ace Frehley, respectively. Simmons and Stanley then attempted to fire the other members of Wicked Lester and bring in Criss and Frehley; when the other members refused, Simmons and Stanley immediately quit Wicked Lester and formed a new band with Criss and Frehley, which they soon dubbed KISS. KISS released their first self-titled debut album in February of 1974. Simmons is the driving force behind the marketing of KISS.

By the way, I don't care for Kiss music either - LOL I like the song's "Beth" and "Rock and Roll All Nite"

[Guest]

I'm completely NOT antisemetic, and I surely haven't been proven WRONG about this. His name is Chaim. Short for Chaim is the name Hymie - it's what he was no doubt called as a kid. He hawks crap incessantly,

Walk up to any jew and call him Hymie... you'll get punched in the nose you anti-semite.

Trust me, I know what's insulting to jews. So STFU.

I haven't been proven wrong. You made some comment about Kenny Loggins and I retorted by pointing out the limited musicality of a group who is great at showbiz, and WAY-light on the music part.

It's not a bass solo moron. The bass is simply used to add atmosphere while he spitting blood.

Yes, you've been proven wrong AND you've been proven a fool as you continue to spout nonsense.

You dig Dennis, you dig Kiss and you dig Bon Jovi. I just find it strange. I guess it's the spectacle you like. The over-the-top thing.

As it stands now, Kiss is bigger than Styx so the jokes on you.

By the way, biggest tour of 1996... Kiss reunion... not the Styx reunion.

Clown.

[Adam]

Adam wrote:
I'm completely NOT antisemetic, and I surely haven't been proven WRONG about this. His name is Chaim. Short for Chaim is the name Hymie - it's what he was no doubt called as a kid. He hawks crap incessantly,


Walk up to any jew over 40 and ask where the name Hymie comes from. Chaim. YOU'RE the one to turn this into antisemite paranoia. I guarantee you Gene Simmonds was once Hymie Klein.

IML: STFU
Adam: What incredible gall you have. You spew so much bitterness and anger instead of discussing things civilly. You do your argument nothing but harm with that sort of dialogue. You've lost much more than you've gained here, and probably other areas of your life.

Here's a concept for: no one, including you, knows it all, nor is always right. No onbe has a right to shout out charming stuff like STFU to someone who disagrees with them.

Go on. Call me clown, moron, etc. Such expression says more about YOU than anyone.