One With Everything

[Guest]

Seems every post is descending into a pit of overdone, already-said BS....

Let's move on. DDY is no longer in the band. Big shame, I think he's a true legend and has always been really decent to me - but get over it.

Cool... but one of the problems here is that the pro-Carrot Styx fans take potshots at Dennis whenever they can and then get upset when people like me respond.

[Andrew]

We must be heard .

Youhave been heard....and heard and heard and heard again. Do you really enjoy the "sound" of your own voice?

If you didn't notice - the band aren't listening.

[froy]

We must be heard .

Youhave been heard....and heard and heard and heard again. Do you really enjoy the "sound" of your own voice?

If you didn't notice - the band aren't listening.

It does not matter if they listen as long as they keep hearing it
The record companies will soon turn a deaf ear to a band that only sells under 30 thousand units believe me, They tried with there fake promotion and it did not work , So they may soon be forced to listen.
If the fans don't get them to the higher ups will.

[Adam]

Froy, I'm afraid your perception of the music business is off. As far as labels go, Styx hasn't had a fair shot since 1990. The band has pretty much been considered "over" as a contemporary selling act for quite sometime now.

And that means the way the band looks at their career choices is different than it used to be.

[Guest]

Froy, I'm afraid your perception of the music business is off. As far as labels go, Styx hasn't had a fair shot since 1990. The band has pretty much been considered "over" as a contemporary selling act for quite sometime now.

And that means the way the band looks at their career choices is different than it used to be.

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

[froy]

Froy, I'm afraid your perception of the music business is off. As far as labels go, Styx hasn't had a fair shot since 1990. The band has pretty much been considered "over" as a contemporary selling act for quite sometime now.

And that means the way the band looks at their career choices is different than it used to be.

I agree that the band has been considered over for some time now
But when you make statements as to this is the best lineup ever
you really should have some ammo to back it up.
JY tells everyone this is there best lineup ever and the band is considered over. That just does not jive.
Fact is they are calling the shots now and its not looking good at all for them unless 20 thousand cds sold is a huge deal.
And BTW Journey is giving away cds but the fans are paying for it in the ticket prices so its not really giving anything away,
Just so Monker gets it.,
My point how many lables has the current lineup been through 2-3 ?
CMC Santuary and now Universal
Correct me if Im wrong

[styxfanNH]

And BTW Journey is giving away cds but the fans are paying for it in the ticket prices so its not really giving anything away,
Just so Monker gets it.,
My point how many lables has the current lineup been through 2-3 ?
CMC Santuary and now Universal
Correct me if Im wrong

2 points:

Those that go to the shows will have no choice but to get the cd they were FORCED to pay for. This is a ploy that Prince used to increase cd sales and while it may get the music to those that go to the shows (the hardcore fans) it will not go to the casual fan. When and if this is released by some US label, the sales will be horrible because their hardcore fans that would have paid for them will already have it.

Journey as it stands right now is without a label or a contract. At least Styx has one.

Just out of curiosity because I don't know the answer. What label was Journey last under?New Door/Universal would only really sign them if their back catalog was in the Universal family. Sanctuary may be their only bet.

[Monker]

Just out of curiosity because I don't know the answer. What label was Journey last under?New Door/Universal would only really sign them if their back catalog was in the Universal family. Sanctuary may be their only bet.

They were under Columbia/sony their entire career up thru Arrival. They now have a deal with Frontiers records for outside of the US. As far as I know, they are still their own label in the US but use Red Distribution for distributing their new releases...I think that's the name anyway...it is one of Sony's distributers.

As for Sanctuary, John Kalodner has specificaly said that 'knowing what I know, I would not sign Journey to Santuary."...whatever that means. The bottom line is that Sanctuary is not an option, and from what you are saying, neither is Universal.

[Guest]

As for Sanctuary, John Kalodner has specificaly said that 'knowing what I know, I would not sign Journey to Santuary."...whatever that means.

What is means is that Kalodner doesn't want to be involved with a fraud.

Kalodner understands that you can't take a key member out of a band and plug in some guy that looks and sounds ok and expect to carry on as if nothing has changed.

It's not the same band without Perry.

It's not the same band without DeYoung.

These bands only want to capitalize on the "franchise".

[Adam]

bla bla bla...We've heard it all before. Too bad we can't move on into the present.

[Guest]

bla bla bla...We've heard it all before. Too bad we can't move on into the present.

"You want me to sit here and salute the sinking of the Titanic?" - David
Lee Roth on Howard Stern talking about Van Halen with Cherone.

[Adam]

i must admit, that's a great DLR quote! (He's quotable...and entertaining...as well as psychotic)

[Monker]

What is means is that Kalodner doesn't want to be involved with a fraud. [/quote]

Well, thank you...Around the same time he was saying he wouldn't sign Journey...he was saying he was working on projects with Styx.

Like you said, JDK wouldn't be involved with a fraud.

It's not the same band without Perry.

Of course not. With Perry, Journey never toured and only recorded new songs once every ten years...

Now they tour every year, record EP's, and give albums away at their shows.

It's not the same band without DeYoung.

Of course not. With DeYoung, Styx was a broadway wannabe act that recorded A/C songs and toured only a fraction as often as they do now. Now they are a rock band that tours constantly and releases rock albums.

In both cases, I'll take the band without the lead singer who was causing hiccup after hiccup. Loosing a few fanboys like you is irrelevant.

These bands only want to capitalize on the "franchise".

And, DeYoung tours with Styx songs, capitalizing on the 'frachise'. And, Perry releases DVD's of ancient Journey concert, capitalizing on the franchise.

I don't care...they can capitalize as much as they want...the music is still good, the band is still entertaining, and as long as those two things are still true - they've earned my money.

[Guest]

Well, thank you...Around the same time he was saying he wouldn't sign Journey...he was saying he was working on projects with Styx.

Nope... Kalodner has worked with Shaw/Blades... never with Styx.

Kalodner wouldn't touch Styx because they are missing their main ingredient.

For much the same reason he bailed on Damn Yankees after it was no longer "in Tommy's best interest" to work on the album.

[Guest]

I don't care...they can capitalize as much as they want...the music is still good, the band is still entertaining, and as long as those two things are still true - they've earned my money.

"A fool and his money are soon parted." - Benjamin Franklin

[Monker]

Monker wrote:
I don't care...they can capitalize as much as they want...the music is still good, the band is still entertaining, and as long as those two things are still true - they've earned my money.

IML replied:
"A fool and his money are soon parted." - Benjamin Franklin

Monker replies:

"A fool and his money are soon venture capital. "

I don't mind giving a few dollars to Styx to put towards any venture they choose. And, as long as a few more fools follow me, Styx will have money to venture anywhere they wish, despite certain fanatics saying it shouldn't happen.

[Guest]

I don't mind giving a few dollars to Styx to put towards any venture they choose. And, as long as a few more fools follow me, Styx will have money to venture anywhere they wish, despite certain fanatics saying it shouldn't happen.

Why don't you just get an automatic paycheck deduction directed straight towards the JY and Tommy retirement funds?

[The_Noble_Cause]

What is means is that Kalodner doesn't want to be involved with a fraud.

It means (to me, anyways) that ever since Kalodner began collaborating with Steve Perry on classic Journey dvds he has actively distanced himself from current Journey. Although you'd never know it from his recent remarks, Kalodner was instrumental in creating the Augeri Journey lineup. His recent slagging remarks could be a precautionary measure so as to not in any way jeopardise his precious current working relationship with Perry- one false move by Kalodner and Perry might scurry back into his hole for another decade-who knows?

Kalodner understands that you can't take a key member out of a band and plug in some guy that looks and sounds ok and expect to carry on as if nothing has changed. It's not the same band without Perry.

As I already stated, Kalodner's recent pejorative comments about the current lineup (calling Augeri merely "adequate" among others) are in stark opposition to his former sentiments on the matter.

Journey keyboardist Jon Cain is even on record saying how integral Kalodner was in making the new lineup come into existence:

"I have to say though that John, mostly for us, has been a tremendous ally in the face of putting this band back together and has been a terrific friend of this new version of Journey. It’s safe to say that Arrival would have never happened without him. He stood up for us. He got us going with “Remember Me” on the Armageddon soundtrack. That was his doing. Of course, I was working hard and with Neal to write some new music and John called after our hard work and it all came to fruition.

When Steve Augeri stepped in, we were recording as a band again, which was beyond my wildest dreams, for it to happen so quickly. Thanks to John for sticking his neck out for us and getting us that slot on Armageddon. We needed a base hit, basically and John got us on base. That was like Yo! That was a big thing for me just to get that. It's almost like we passed the audition as a new band.

We spent most of the summer of ’98 talking about to Journey or not to Journey without Steve Perry. He was very concerned as to how to play this. It wasn’t just a rash, quick decision that we all made. Certainly he was a big part of my feelings and my decision to go forward. I didn’t want to go into this without his blessing. We didn’t make this decision overnight. We spent a whole summer talking about every other week. Finally, he said “Yeah. Let’s try. Let’s go for it,” which was a big step for Neal and I and our dream, to bring Journey back. Neal and I just didn’t want to go quietly. What was that Don Henley song? “I will not go quietly. I will not lay down?” That’s how we felt. That was kind of like my war cry. Thanks to John, he pulled a rabbit out of a hat for us. We ended up on Armageddon, then doing the tour. He brought the Sony people out and I think single-handedly is responsible for what we’re doing today. Certainly we did a lot of the work but without John standing up in his corporate headquarters for us and sticking his neck out saying, 'I need this.' I don’t think it would’ve happened."

Similarly, Steve Augeri pointed out Kalodner's concious effort and heavy hand in the re-formation of the band stating to Kalodner (in the liner notes of the Arrival album) "thanks for giving the initial nod, encouragement and advice early on."

These bands only want to capitalize on the "franchise".

Evidently, so did John Kalodner.

[Guest]

What is means is that Kalodner doesn't want to be involved with a fraud.

It means (to me, anyways) that ever since Kalodner began collaborating with Steve Perry on classic Journey dvds he has actively distanced himself from current Journey. Although you'd never know it from his recent remarks, Kalodner was instrumental in creating the Augeri Journey lineup. His recent slagging remarks could be a precautionary measure so as to not in any way jeopardise his precious current working relationship with Perry- one false move by Kalodner and Perry might scurry back into his hole for another decade-who knows?

Kalodner understands that you can't take a key member out of a band and plug in some guy that looks and sounds ok and expect to carry on as if nothing has changed. It's not the same band without Perry.

As I already stated, Kalodner's recent pejorative comments about the current lineup (calling Augeri merely "adequate" among others) are in stark opposition to his former sentiments on the matter.

Journey keyboardist Jon Cain is even on record saying how integral Kalodner was in making the new lineup come into existence:

"I have to say though that John, mostly for us, has been a tremendous ally in the face of putting this band back together and has been a terrific friend of this new version of Journey. It’s safe to say that Arrival would have never happened without him. He stood up for us. He got us going with “Remember Me” on the Armageddon soundtrack. That was his doing. Of course, I was working hard and with Neal to write some new music and John called after our hard work and it all came to fruition.

When Steve Augeri stepped in, we were recording as a band again, which was beyond my wildest dreams, for it to happen so quickly. Thanks to John for sticking his neck out for us and getting us that slot on Armageddon. We needed a base hit, basically and John got us on base. That was like Yo! That was a big thing for me just to get that. It's almost like we passed the audition as a new band.

We spent most of the summer of ’98 talking about to Journey or not to Journey without Steve Perry. He was very concerned as to how to play this. It wasn’t just a rash, quick decision that we all made. Certainly he was a big part of my feelings and my decision to go forward. I didn’t want to go into this without his blessing. We didn’t make this decision overnight. We spent a whole summer talking about every other week. Finally, he said “Yeah. Let’s try. Let’s go for it,” which was a big step for Neal and I and our dream, to bring Journey back. Neal and I just didn’t want to go quietly. What was that Don Henley song? “I will not go quietly. I will not lay down?” That’s how we felt. That was kind of like my war cry. Thanks to John, he pulled a rabbit out of a hat for us. We ended up on Armageddon, then doing the tour. He brought the Sony people out and I think single-handedly is responsible for what we’re doing today. Certainly we did a lot of the work but without John standing up in his corporate headquarters for us and sticking his neck out saying, 'I need this.' I don’t think it would’ve happened."

Similarly, Steve Augeri pointed out Kalodner's concious effort and heavy hand in the re-formation of the band stating to Kalodner (in the liner notes of the Arrival album) "thanks for giving the initial nod, encouragement and advice early on."

These bands only want to capitalize on the "franchise".

Evidently, so did John Kalodner.

And then Kalodner realized it was a HUGE mistaked and relented.

People make mistakes... even Kalodner. It just doesn't work without Perry... too much water under the bridge with that line-up to just "move on" with someone new and live off the name.

Same thing with Styx...

[The_Noble_Cause]

And then Kalodner realized it was a HUGE mistaked and relented.

That's entiriely possible. Or he could be deliberately distancing himself from them now that he is working with Perry. Or perhaps a little of both.

[Monker]

Why don't you just get an automatic paycheck deduction directed straight towards the JY and Tommy retirement funds?

Because I want product in return.

Why don't you pay somebody to set up a 'whine mode' on your PC. That way, you could let the PC post for you and maybe you can go off and live a happier life.

[Monker]

And then Kalodner realized it was a HUGE mistaked and relented.

Only after HE failed to get Journey any kind of backing within Sony. Like I've said, BBT had more promotion and backing by Universal then Arrival did for Sony. It seems to me that JDK is NOWHERE NEAR as influencial as some people think.

It just doesn't work without Perry... too much water under the bridge with that line-up to just "move on" with someone new and live off the name.

And, you are VERY wrong with that. The band HAS lived off the Journey name for years now. Neal can't even start a new band without feeling the pressure from the fan base to ensure that it does not affect Journey.

Same thing with Styx...

Correct...Styx has ALSO lived off the name for years...a fact that you simply don't want to admit.

The simple truth is, as I have repeatedly said, if there were not enough fans to support these bands, they would not be able to tour and labels would not be signing them.

People like you repeat yourself year after year, and year after year you are proven wrong.

[froy]

Like I've said, BBT had more promotion and backing by Universal then Arrival did for Sony.

Really putting out a hyped up Press release is more promotion than what was done with Arrival? Thats all Universal has done for the failed BBT cd

It seems to me that JDK is NOWHERE NEAR as influencial as some people think.

Kaladner is a has been just like STYX,

Same thing with Styx..

Correct...Styx has ALSO lived off the name for years...a fact that you simply don't want to admit.

Its a no brainer there lucky that they can use the name STYX to live off of. They hate the guy who started the band all because he was sick and wanted 6 extra months to get better.

The simple truth is, as I have repeatedly said, if there were not enough fans to support these bands, they would not be able to tour and labels would not be signing them.

Boy your a genius
STYX has had 3 lables in 6 years so they could always find a sucker to sign them. As far as fans all they have to do is keep giving tickets away for free and they will have fans, They make more off the 6 dollar beers and 30 dollar shirts than they make off the tickets .

People like you repeat yourself year after year, and year after year you are proven wrong.

And people like you never know when to shut up

[Zan]

And people like you never know when to shut up

Now THAT'S funny!

[Adam]

Froy: Kaladner is a has been just like STYX,
Adam: This may be true. And since you wanna take that harsh a view, so is Dennis DeYoung a has-been.

Froy: They hate the guy who started the band all because he was sick and wanted 6 extra months to get better.
Adam: Just think about that a sec. REALLY. First of all, what would make a somewhat succesful rock group "hate" an original member for being sick? THERE'D HAVE TO BE A TON OF OTHER REASONS...A LONG HISTORY OF TROUBLE.

And secondly, allow me to point out yet again that the "6 month" figure is completely bogus. When a person contracts an unidentified illness, and they are in the midst of that sickness, how can they possibly predict how long it will take to recouperate? IT'S COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE!

DeYoung might've been cured after 6 months - IN RETROSPECT - but there was simply no way of knowing when he'd be well again (AND I think it was the band's moving on that somehow miraculously "healed" him).

Why would they walk from him? Because they'd HAD it. No one here knows what it's like working with the guy, and I say the extreme situation that took place in 1999 reveals the tip of what must've probably been a gigantic iceburg.

Froy: STYX has had 3 lables in 6 years so they could always find a sucker to sign them.
Adam: Not if they didn't believe in the band. Record labels know alot more about the business than you or I, and they do not care to throw away money (especially in these days of downloading). If this band were as ruined and 'over' as you like to think, they simply would not be getting such a vote of confidence.

Froy: As far as fans all they have to do is keep giving tickets away for free and they will have fans, They make more off the 6 dollar beers and 30 dollar shirts than they make off the tickets .
Adam: The band doesn't make the concession money dude, just Tshirts. And they couldn'y possibly stay on tour if they're only giving away tickets. AND if they were as money strapped as you've been known to say, how could they keep performing concerts that lose money (for 6 years)?

Froy: people like you never know when to shut up
Adam: And people like you don't know how to have a civilised conversation without resorting to rudeness.

[Monker]

Really putting out a hyped up Press release is more promotion than what was done with Arrival? Thats all Universal has done for the failed BBT cd

Universal actualy got BBT to radio so they could do things like PLAY IT. Sony completely missed the boat getting Arrival to radio.

Kaladner is a has been just like STYX,

No argument from me there....Why else would he leave a huge label like Sony for a smallish label like Sanctuary? It's not like Styx where they went from the smalish Sanctuary to the largish Universal....a big improvement.

Its a no brainer there lucky that they can use the name STYX to live off of.

DDY *ALSO* lives off the name Styx. Considering how much your life you have dedicated to 'discussing' Styx, YOU live off the name too.

They hate the guy who started the band all because he was sick and wanted 6 extra months to get better.

*IF* they hate the guy, which I doubt, it's because he seemed to believe he had more control over the band then ANYBODY else, or EVERYBODY else combined.

Me said:
The simple truth is, as I have repeatedly said, if there were not enough fans to support these bands, they would not be able to tour and labels would not be signing them.

froy replied:
Boy your a genius

And, you are an idiot for not understanding the simple logic.

STYX has had 3 lables in 6 years so they could always find a sucker to sign them.

No they have not. They were on CMC/Santuary (the SAME label) and now Universal. I'm assuming you can count to two.

As far as fans all they have to do is keep giving tickets away for free and they will have fans

That's fine with me. They can do whatever they want to do to keep their fan base. They can start paying them to come to the show, I won't care.

They make more off the 6 dollar beers and 30 dollar shirts than they make off the tickets .

Good for them. Maybe they should double the price.

And people like you never know when to shut up

Me 'shut up'? Where is there any incentive for me to do that?

[froy]

Froy: Kaladner is a has been just like STYX,
Adam: This may be true. And since you wanna take that harsh a view, so is Dennis DeYoung a has-been.

Dennis DeYoung was never a household name
Dennis DeYoung is not trying to be a household name
So how can he be a has been ?
With Styx he was popular and a household name but solo not the same
So because of the 2 guys who hate his guts because he was sick and needed 6 months to get better he can't be a has been.
They threw him out of the band .

Froy: They hate the guy who started the band all because he was sick and wanted 6 extra months to get better.
Adam: Just think about that a sec. REALLY. First of all, what would make a somewhat succesful rock group "hate" an original member for being sick? THERE'D HAVE TO BE A TON OF OTHER REASONS...A LONG HISTORY OF TROUBLE.

Really on the BTM show they said there jaws dropped because he said he could not tour. Show me 1 other reason why they dumped DENNIS,

And secondly, allow me to point out yet again that the "6 month" figure is completely bogus. When a person contracts an unidentified illness, and they are in the midst of that sickness, how can they possibly predict how long it will take to recouperate? IT'S COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE!

It may be bogus to you but Dennis said in many interviews he asked for 6 months you have to respect that answer.

Why would they walk from him? Because they'd HAD it. No one here knows what it's like working with the guy, and I say the extreme situation that took place in 1999 reveals the tip of what must've probably been a gigantic iceburg.

The bottom line ADAM is the money was not comming in fast enough
Just look at the track record of this current lineup
There burning out the concert scene.
Anyone who will pay there fee they will play there 90 min lame set.
I have a phone interview with Shaw that we did in 99 and he does nothing but Praise Dennis , He said Dennis is the natural leader in the studio and he's a great singer ect ect .
When he gets sick and can't tour all of a sudden he's a pain and nobody can work with the guy,

Froy: STYX has had 3 lables in 6 years so they could always find a sucker to sign them.
Adam: Not if they didn't believe in the band. Record labels know alot more about the business than you or I, and they do not care to throw away money (especially in these days of downloading). If this band were as ruined and 'over' as you like to think, they simply would not be getting such a vote of confidence.

Vote of confidence they have been dumped 2 times and 3 will be right after there next cd of originals hits because that won;t sell more than 30 thousand cds , Record companies don't make money off of 30 thousand cds.

Froy: people like you never know when to shut up
Adam: And people like you don't know how to have a civilised conversation without resorting to rudeness.

Last I checked I was talking to Monker not you
Mind your own buisness

[Adam]

Froy: Kaladner is a has been just like STYX…Dennis DeYoung was never a household name…So how can he be a has been?
Adam: Okay, so we now see YOUR DEFINITION of the term “Has Been”. I suppose Dessert Moon was not a hit and Dennis never had a career as successful as he does right now, right?
I also suppose Katrina And The Wave, Dexy’s Midnite Runners, Enuff Znuff, Patrick Moraz, Jan Michael Vincent and Alec John Such (original ex-bassist of Bon Jovi) aren’t has beens either.

Froy: on the BTM show they said there jaws dropped because he said he could not tour. Show me 1 other reason why they dumped DENNIS,
Adam: You don’t want me to do that. We’ve been through this before, and for the sake of our fellow readers, I’ll decline.

Froy: The bottom line ADAM is the money was not comming in fast enough
Froy: all they have to do is keep giving tickets away for free and they will have fans
Adam: Which is it? Are they doing it to make money? Are they doing it to lose money?

Froy: I have a phone interview with Shaw that we did in 99 and he does nothing but Praise Dennis,
Adam: Watch a TV talk show. You will see a parade of actors showing clips of new movies, speaking glowingly about their new films. Even if the films suck. Would you expect them to tell the press how much they grew to dislike the Director, how bad the opposite actor’s breath was?
When Tommy and JY (and Dennis) do interviews, they’re PROMOTING. I assure you these guys don’t enjoy calling people up and advertising themselves. THAT’S PART OF THEIR JOB. And it serves no purpose to take an opportunity to promote one’s own product by slamming it.

Maybe you believe what is said in interviews, but I’ll bet there’s a hell of a lot MORE that doesn’t get said.

Froy: When he gets sick and can't tour all of a sudden he's a pain and nobody can work with the guy,
Adam: My point exactly. If it were as simple as you say, I find it hard to believe they would’ve walked. There’s more, much much more and it’s certainly their prerogative to choose to not discuss all the private details with the public.

Froy: Last I checked I was talking to Monker not you…Mind your own business
Adam: Last I checked, yours wasn’t a private “IM” and this is an open board with open discussion. If you need to have a private conversation with Monker, drop him a line. Otherwise – and this may come as a shock to you – your words are being read by everyone frequenting this board.

[Monker]

Dennis DeYoung was never a household name
Dennis DeYoung is not trying to be a household name
So how can he be a has been ?

Yeah, how can he be a has-been, when according to froy he is a never-was?

Really on the BTM show they said there jaws dropped because he said he could not tour. Show me 1 other reason why they dumped DENNIS,

Hunchback and how that entire idea derailed and affected Styx for over five years. Kilroy, and how that entire idea broke the band up for over ten years. His general attitude that all he touched is turned to gold. Overruling the team and becoming the one who ruled them all. Moving on without Tommy for EotC, which means that it is perfectly acceptable for the band to move on without Dennis.

It may be bogus to you but Dennis said in many interviews he asked for 6 months you have to respect that answer.

Why? You don't respect anything that is said by anybody else or even this forum in general. Why should anybody consider it impossible that DDY is lying?

The bottom line ADAM is the money was not comming in fast enough

Good for them. Now that problem is solved and won't be back any time soon.

Just look at the track record of this current lineup
There burning out the concert scene.
Anyone who will pay there fee they will play there 90 min lame set.

You have sung this tune as many times as Tommy has sung BCM.

When he gets sick and can't tour all of a sudden he's a pain and nobody can work with the guy,

Steve Perry has nothing to do with Styx.

Vote of confidence they have been dumped 2 times and 3 will be right after there next cd of originals hits because that won;t sell more than 30 thousand cds , Record companies don't make money off of 30 thousand cds.

LOL! You said BBT would only sell 10,000...and they sold 20,000 in the first week. From your history, that means the next CD will sell 60,000 copies in the first week. I think everybody will accept that.

Last I checked I was talking to Monker not you
Mind your own buisness

It was posted on a public forum where ANYBODY can reply. Maybe you should quit inventing rules that don't exist.

[froy]

Dennis DeYoung was never a household name
Dennis DeYoung is not trying to be a household name
So how can he be a has been ?

Yeah, how can he be a has-been, when according to froy he is a never-was?

He was but not like he is today

Really on the BTM show they said there jaws dropped because he said he could not tour. Show me 1 other reason why they dumped DENNIS,

Hunchback and how that entire idea derailed and affected Styx for over five years.

Damm Yankees and how it derailed Styx for the same 5 years
I see Shaw can do an outside projects but Dennis can't
Ridiculous.

Kilroy, and how that entire idea broke the band up for over ten years.

The band was snorting cocaine during Kilroy that broke up the band for 10 years , Once again blame Dennis when thats far from reality.
Kilroy was a great cd and tour too bad we had a drug addict turning everyone in the band against each other,

His general attitude that all he touched is turned to gold.

Was reality.

Overruling the team and becoming the one who ruled them all.

He was the manager of the team he had the right to over rule them. They went along with it for 30 years then the money ran out. And so did the band,

Moving on without Tommy for EotC, which means that it is perfectly acceptable for the band to move on without Dennis.

Your an idiot
They wanted Shaw back he was doing something else
He was too good for STYX back then now he's useless.

It may be bogus to you but Dennis said in many interviews he asked for 6 months you have to respect that answer.

Why? You don't respect anything that is said by anybody else or even this forum in general. Why should anybody consider it impossible that DDY is lying?

Your an idiot .

The bottom line ADAM is the money was not comming in fast enough

Good for them. Now that problem is solved and won't be back any time soon.

Fine support a band that is digging into your wallet
Your like a cheap john.

Just look at the track record of this current lineup
There burning out the concert scene.
Anyone who will pay there fee they will play there 90 min lame set.

You have sung this tune as many times as Tommy has sung BCM.

He keeps singing it and so do I.

When he gets sick and can't tour all of a sudden he's a pain and nobody can work with the guy,


Steve Perry has nothing to do with Styx.

Steve Perry has nothing to do with anybody .

LOL! You said BBT would only sell 10,000...and they sold 20,000 in the first week.

Get your facts straight they did not sell 20 thousand in the first week.