Dennis in Beverly/Boston 6/24

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Whatever Monker, believe what you want to believe. It's funny you hardly answer any questions that people ask you.

How many Styx shows have you been too?

[styxfanNH]

Like I said earlier. I like both the shows of Dennis and of Styx. I don't go to Dennis show expecting to see the type of show Styx puts on now and I don't go to a Styx show expecting to see Dennis style of show.

They are both unique in their own way. and my musical tastes are wide enough to appreciate both.

I will say this. In the year I didn't work, I learned a lot about myself both positively and negatively. During that time I decided that as I go forward to appreciate what I have and what I like. Part of that was reintroducing myself to the various things and looking for things to get me through what were very trying times - Styx music and lyrical content was one of tose things. The politics of Styx I have an appreciation for and find it amusing. But I won't let the politics interfere with my enjoying of the music.

Dennis is great. Styx is great. And they have gotten me through some very tough times. There's no reason to bash one side or another, their business issues are between them. I just enjoy seeing and hearing the music that made me happy in my youth.

[styxmike]

Do you really think Carrot Styx will be going back to the UK anytime soon? I don't think so. They lost a lot of money on those dates over there. I'm not talking about the festivals, the ones concerts that had paid tickets to see Styx.

the 2 shows that I went to (Birmingham and Manchester)were virtually full, Manchester at least was better attended than a lot of "classic" bands i've seen there. The stage show wasn't that huge (no backdrop, minimum lighting) the hotel they stayed at wasn't exactly 5*, more budget!!! so how the HELL did they lose money over here?????? IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN NO BAND I'VE SEEN IN THE LAST 7-8yrs HAS MADE MONEY. Who is giving you this info????????

[Monker]

Whatever Monker, believe what you want to believe. It's funny you hardly answer any questions that people ask you.

No, what is funny is YOu are offering words stated as FACTS but do not put anything behind them other then hot air, and when asked for ANY verifiable evidence all you can say is "whatever..." Before you run off some wild idea as a fact, perhaps it would be a good idea to ensure you have something to back it up other then your diminishing credibility.

Again, I think you exagerate. You do it to make Dennis look better. In reality, you make yourself less and less credible.

How many Styx shows have you been too?

More then one...and one is all I need to offer an opinion.

And, to continue my point about Dennis opening for another act...When I saw the Main Event tour, there were more people attending then at ANY other Styx show. It made sense for Styx to do such a show back then (and it still makes sense today) and it makes sense for Dennis to drop out of the headliner role for the exact same reasons...to perform to more people and get more exposure for both himself and any new songs he may release in the future.

Again, IMO, you are allowing your affection and fandom for Dennis blind you to what would obviously be a good decision for him.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Whatever - LOL

[classicstyxfan]

Quote: ( SMB )

How many Styx shows have you been too?


Quote: ( Monker )
More then one...and one is all I need to offer an opinion.


Classic Says: Based on his avoidance of the question, I think it is safe to say that Monker has attended 2 ( Two ) Styx shows, and 1 ( one ) DDY show......which, of course, makes him an EXPERT regarding the overall attendance trends of the 2 acts ! Suite, Sadie and the rest, I just cant understand why you would argue a point with someone whose omnipotence is so obvoius ??? Why, I bet he knows as much about the music biz as Ton Cruise knows about Psychiatry !!!!

[sadie65]

Quote: ( SMB )

How many Styx shows have you been too?


Quote: ( Monker )
More then one...and one is all I need to offer an opinion.


Classic Says: Based on his avoidance of the question, I think it is safe to say that Monker has attended 2 ( Two ) Styx shows, and 1 ( one ) DDY show......which, of course, makes him an EXPERT regarding the overall attendance trends of the 2 acts ! Suite, Sadie and the rest, I just cant understand why you would argue a point with someone whose omnipotence is so obvoius ??? Why, I bet he knows as much about the music biz as Ton Cruise knows about Psychiatry !!!!

Hey me...I've stopped arguing. I have no need to bang my head into a keyboard.

That is a "classic" line! Tom Cruise and psychiatry!!!! thank goodness I had no beverage to drink when I read it.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Thanks Classic

I'm done with "him". I'm just going to move on..........

I saw that with Tom Cruise and Matt Lauer, sheesh!!

[Monker]

Thanks Classic
I'm just going to move on..........

Move on to what? More exagerations about how in demand Dennis is? More exagerations about knowing things you don't know, like how much profit Styx makes on their UK shows? More exagerations about knowing the attendence figures of every Styx and DeYoung show that has been performed for the past five years?

It seems to me that there are a LOT of things you want to 'move on' from, and it isn't just me...it's your own words.

[Monker]

Based on his avoidance of the question, I think it is safe to say that Monker has attended 2 ( Two ) Styx shows, and 1 ( one ) DDY show......

LOL...you're guess is wrong.

The 'avoidance' is simply because all Suite is doing is misdirecting the conversation away from her inability to back up her exagerations.

But, believe what you want. Yeah, I've seen only two Styx shows. Sure, I have. They were both "Evening with Styx" shows and sold 30,000 tickets. And, I took my wife, Morgan Fairchild. Yeah, that's the ticket. Now, excuse me while I do the "Superior" dance for you, you audience of underlings, you.

which, of course, makes him an EXPERT regarding the overall attendance trends of the 2 acts !

Nope...I'm not claiming to be an 'expert'. I'm simply stating my POV. Of course others are not going to share it...I expect that.

I'm not the one making outragous claims that I know certain facts, and then refusing to back them up...Suite is the one doing that. But, of course you are not going to call her on that, are you? She's just waaaay to priviledged for that.

[bugsymalone]

Based on his avoidance of the question, I think it is safe to say that Monker has attended 2 ( Two ) Styx shows, and 1 ( one ) DDY show......which, of course, makes him an EXPERT regarding the overall attendance trends of the 2 acts ! Suite, Sadie and the rest, I just cant understand why you would argue a point with someone whose omnipotence is so obvoius ??? Why, I bet he knows as much about the music biz as Ton Cruise knows about Psychiatry !!!!

I'll do it for ya, Sadie. Splurt!!!



Thanks, Classic!

Bugsy

[classicstyxfan]

I don't think we have any true experts on the Music business here....
that was the point I was trying to make.

Suite does seem to have access to some info that the rest of us don't though. I for one haven't had any one on one interview opportunities with any current or former members lately, has any one else here had that kind of access in the last few months ?

Monker, your " discusssion" of what Suite would or wouldnt do regarding gathering info on attendance over the last 6 years of Styx and DDY concerts seems to me to be irrelevant because.........

1. It's already been identified as a herculean task, so it's not going to happen

2. Even if she were to hypothetically accomplish this, why wouldnt she want to share all of the data ? hell, if I did all that work, I'd share it all, otherwise, what would be the point of making the effort / compiling it in the 1st place ?

3. Being that the whole exercise is in the hypothethical, what is the point of questioning her ( hypothetical ) integrity ? Have you identified lies told by Suite here in the past that you can prove ? Calling her out for not providing a bibliography for every statement made here is wielding a sword that can and will be used against you going forward as well, so I suggest playing that card with caution...


Sorry for the Rant.....just my 2 cents ( plus ! )

[Monker]

Suite does seem to have access to some info that the rest of us don't though.

Why would you think that? Because she puts on that personna?

[quote']
Monker, your " discusssion" of what Suite would or wouldnt do regarding gathering info on attendance over the last 6 years of Styx and DDY concerts seems to me to be irrelevant because.........

1. It's already been identified as a herculean task, so it's not going to happen
[/quote]

Then she shouldn't be spouting her mouth off that she could do it. How pompous and arrogant it is to say she can do such an impossible thing...THAT has been my point from the beginning.

2. Even if she were to hypothetically accomplish this, why wouldnt she want to share all of the data ?

For two reasons - to list all five years of the shows of Styx alone is completely pointless. Add to that the small number of shows by comparison that Dennnis has performed, and what does it prove? That Dennis tours a fraction of what Styx does and Styx has performed to probably 100 times the number of seats.

And, there is no way that you are going to convince me that Suite, or anybody else here, is going to do all of that typing and accomplish nothing but to give me more data to argue with them about.

3. Being that the whole exercise is in the hypothethical, what is the point of questioning her ( hypothetical ) integrity?

What is the point of her questioning MY ability to form an opinion about the shows I have seen with both Styx and Dennis? Why should I let her pompous "if I had the time to post blah, blah, blah...." BS go by unchallenged. You know she wouldn't take the time to do it, she knows she wouldn't, I don't think she has the data to do it in the first place. It's just a very stupid statement for her to make.

Have you identified lies told by Suite here in the past that you can prove?

I didn't say she was lying. The closest I came to that was saying she was lying to herself about something.

What I am saying is she is going about spouting her OPINIONS as if they are facts....Well, if they are so factual, back it up. That is what I am saying.

Calling her out for not providing a bibliography for every statement made here is wielding a sword that can and will be used against you going forward as well, so I suggest playing that card with caution...

Go for it. I am not the one making saying the band lost money in the UK, that I have five years worth of concert figures, etc. SHE is. I think it's fairly ridiculous that people here are taking such statements without any questioning AT ALL.

[DeeJaySTYX]

Again, I think you exagerate. You do it to make Dennis look better. In reality, you make yourself less and less credible

This is coming from a guy who thinks Air Supply is far more entertaining....

[styxfanNH]

You know the psychoanalyzing of everyword everyone says here gets old. This place is supposed to be a diversion from the real world. We give a certain amount of validity to anything anyone says here. It's called building a relationship and trust with those we call friends.

Your turn.

[DeeJaySTYX]

You know the psychoanalyzing of everyword everyone says here gets old. This place is supposed to be a diversion from the real world. We give a certain amount of validity to anything anyone says here. It's called building a relationship and trust with those we call friends.

Your turn.

NH, I think almost everybody in this forum is guilty of what you mentioned (Myself included)....It has been happening when this forum started, and it will continue until this forum closes in which I hope it won't be for a very long time...As long as it don't get too out of hand I have no problem with scrutiny....But on the good side there are a lot of nice posters in this forum that I would call my friends....

Just My $.02...

Deejay...

[styxfanNH]

it's not the psychoanalyzing, i have an issue with. It just seems to be more of the pattern here recently than really adding anything to any of the conversation.

[classicstyxfan]

NH, I sense a little frustration and impatience in your recent posts......tell us all about your childhood, and your relationship with your Mother.....

[Monker]

This is coming from a guy who thinks Air Supply is far more entertaining....

You bet I do. Dennis can learn from Air Supply...about how to get the crowd on their feet for an entire show, singing and clapping, and having all kinds of fun...The audience isn't sitting on their butt and hands for basicaly the entire show, minus the last couple songs. Dennis is BORING compared to Air Supply because Air Supply knows how to involve the crowd and make them part of the show - Dennis does NONE of those things.

[styxfanNH]

The frustration comes from this use to be a fun place to come and post and banter. Just doesn't seem to be the same place it use to be. So I will go the way of others here and try to decide if my time spent here is worth it.

You know this thread actually started as a review of the Beverly show. BUt that was 47 posts ago. and no one can blame IML or Froy for derailing the thread.......so long

[Monker]

You know the psychoanalyzing of everyword everyone says here gets old. This place is supposed to be a diversion from the real world. We give a certain amount of validity to anything anyone says here. It's called building a relationship and trust with those we call friends.

That's your choice. If someone makes such outragous claims such as Suite has made in this thread, I'm going to 'psychoanalyze' and 'scrutinze' until they turn blue. Stating such things that are so obviously exagerated deserves such treatment.

[bugsymalone]

The frustration comes from this use to be a fun place to come and post and banter. Just doesn't seem to be the same place it use to be. So I will go the way of others here and try to decide if my time spent here is worth it.

You know this thread actually started as a review of the Beverly show. BUt that was 47 posts ago. and no one can blame IML or Froy for derailing the thread.......so long

NH, you know, there is a way to deal with this. Just ignore what that offensive person has to say and respond to the people and posts that interest you. It is quite possible to do this.

And you are right. IML and Froy had nothing to do with poisoning this well.

Some folks have put a few of the threads back on track and I have enjoyed several you started very much.

You have a skip feature on CD's to skip over stuff you don't like. You can basically do that here, too.

Bugsy

[SuiteMadameBlue]

NH, you're right and I'm sorry that I was part of the derailing of the topic.

Again, I'm glad that you enjoyed the show and I'm looking forward to the review of the next show

I LOVE "Pieces of Eight"!!! I'm glad that you enjoyed it too. My favorite live songs by Dennis with orchestra are "Castle Walls", "Suite Madame Blue" and now "Pieces of Eight".

[bugsymalone]

My favorite live songs by Dennis with orchestra are "Castle Walls", "Suite Madame Blue" and now "Pieces of Eight".

Wish he would find a way to fit "Best Thing" into his shows now. And his revamped version of "Borrowed Time."

I know one (babe) song (babe) I would (babe) take out (babe) to make room (babe)!

!!

Bugsy

[DeeJaySTYX]

This is coming from a guy who thinks Air Supply is far more entertaining....

You bet I do. Dennis can learn from Air Supply...about how to get the crowd on their feet for an entire show, singing and clapping, and having all kinds of fun...The audience isn't sitting on their butt and hands for basicaly the entire show, minus the last couple songs. Dennis is BORING compared to Air Supply because Air Supply knows how to involve the crowd and make them part of the show - Dennis does NONE of those things.

The concert I saw, Air Supply did no such thing, in Fact, all Russel Hitchcock did while he sang was wave and point to the audience....

[Monker]

NH, you're right and I'm sorry that I was part of the derailing of the topic.

Anytime you make an issue out the PERSON who posts instead of the topic of the thread, you are going to "derail" the topic. Anytime you attempt to make an issue out of me and state some "facts" that you have no hope in Hell of backing up, you are going to do much more then 'derail' a topic. It's going to follow you around for a very long time.

True, neither Froy nor IML posted to this topic...But, the reality is that you are not much different, just much more settle. Go ahead, keep fighting the battle for Dennis, I'll be here...It's a fight that can't be won.

[DeeJaySTYX]

NH, I read your review and I thought it was a good, Honest review....I thought the setlist is pretty straight foward and honestly I wish he could put in a couple of surpises in the setlist....
I agree that he should drop the "At home, I'm an Asshole" line....It's old, overdone, and tacky...His "I was told to get out" is new and unlike him...

As far as the musical aspect of the show Dennis is usually really good.....


DeeJay....

[DeeJaySTYX]

NH, you're right and I'm sorry that I was part of the derailing of the topic.

Anytime you make an issue out the PERSON who posts instead of the topic of the thread, you are going to "derail" the topic. Anytime you attempt to make an issue out of me and state some "facts" that you have no hope in Hell of backing up, you are going to do much more then 'derail' a topic. It's going to follow you around for a very long time.

True, neither Froy nor IML posted to this topic...But, the reality is that you are not much different, just much more settle. Go ahead, keep fighting the battle for Dennis, I'll be here...It's a fight that can't be won.

Will you stop making me laugh...Dude, you come to a fan forum to fight the good fight for the Monkermaniacs, Oh, that's right, there is only one member in that club...Hope you get your prize soon, whatever that might be...

[Monker]

Oh, that's right, there is only one member in that club...

Yep, as I say, a majority of one.

[DeeJaySTYX]

Oh, that's right, there is only one member in that club...

Yep, as I say, a majority of one.