Perry's voice on David Pack's new song.......SAD

[The_Noble_Cause]

He looked like a girl in them, with his stringy curls. He moves like a girl.

Oh, get off it.
Both of Journey's two frontman have been (at times) adrogynous looking. You haven't a clue about Journey history.
Go take a look at some of Perry's outfits from the early days and then get back to me.

[The_Noble_Cause]

It's ludicrous to even compare the two. Augeri was never even good at his best.

And just how exactly would you know anyways?
You don't own Tall Stories, you don't own Generations, and I certainly doubt you own Arrival.
Piss off, you malicious wanker.

[Greg]

Welcome aboard Greggie.

No one is questioning why or how Perry's voice has changed. We all accept it. It is just that some people here get very defensive when you point out these changes and try to make it seem like other people are attacking Perry for it.

It has also been the source of much of the debate over the years of whether Journey should have waited for Perry to return. Many fans thought Journey should wait for Perry "no matter how long". Others feel that Journey should have chosen someone who sounded completely different than Perry if they were going to move on. The irony is that if Journey had waited ofr Perry to return, Journey would have gotten someone who sounded completely different!

Thanks for welcoming me to the board Jrnyman. You are correct..this has been the biggest source of debate since Augeri came aboard back in 98'. I see it from both points of view. I see keeping Perry as the best deal from a marketing standpoint. For a record company to keep pushing a classic rock act such as Journey, it's taken a big chance pushing them knowing the orginal voice is not with the band. It's kind of like losing your identity.

On the other hand, I see it the other way. The rest of the guys in Journey were not wanting to sit around and wait....they had an album to tour on...an album that produced their first grammy nominated song, and there was no tour. I can understand the frustration. It also seemed as if the musical direction was different between Schon and Perry....and I have to say, I enjoy listening to the heavier stuff from Schon than an album full of ballads.

Do I think kicking Perry out of the band had a negative effect on Journey? Definitely! I betcha if Perry was still the frontman...Journey would be as popular as ever...

Do I think kicking Perry out of the band was a mistake? Nah...I really liked Arrival..and think Augeri has a great voice. The soundbytes I have heard from Generations have gotten me excited about Journey once more. I really believe they have a revamped sound that is fresh. I don't think Journey will ever be as big as they were in the 80's, but they still have enough of a fan base to make it worth their while to make music for us, and it's us hardcore fans that keep the wheel in the sky turning!

[Greg]

...and just for the record..I'm not implying that Perry, or his voice is done. I still think and will always think of Perry as part of Journey and one of the best voices I have ever had the pleasure to hear. Not only that..but I will be first in line to buy any album he puts out....if he ever does make a solo album!

[jrnyman28]

Dave, I hope that you're posting something of interest but sorry, I just can't take the time to read through your remedial format.

Oh, OW, I am SO hurt!
You know you read it. You know you have nothing to respond with.
You want this attention but you want to seem like you don't.
I's OK, I won't tell anyone.
Well, I don't have to because you are completely transparent!

[jrnyman28]

I see keeping Perry as the best deal from a marketing standpoint. For a record company to keep pushing a classic rock act such as Journey, it's taken a big chance pushing them knowing the orginal voice is not with the band. It's kind of like losing your identity.

On the other hand, I see it the other way. The rest of the guys in Journey were not wanting to sit around and wait....they had an album to tour on...an album that produced their first grammy nominated song, and there was no tour. I can understand the frustration. It also seemed as if the musical direction was different between Schon and Perry....and I have to say, I enjoy listening to the heavier stuff from Schon than an album full of ballads.

This is good perspective and I concur.

Do I think kicking Perry out of the band had a negative effect on Journey? Definitely! I betcha if Perry was still the frontman...Journey would be as popular as ever...Do I think kicking Perry out of the band was a mistake? Nah...

This is one of the best posts ever.
However, my one debate is that Journey might not be around at all if Perry had stayed. One, Neal and Perry might not be able to get along well enough to work together anymore; Two, Perry could be (to me, he IS) reluctant to tour.

[Marabelle]

I guess there would be nothing to talk about if people didn't argue or debate. I suppose that is what real fans do; debate and argue and speculate otherwise I suppose it would be totally boring.

[jrnyman28]

I guess there would be nothing to talk about if people didn't argue or debate. I suppose that is what real fans do; debate and argue and speculate otherwise I suppose it would be totally boring.

I don't know, the Generations threads have been fun up to the point that a Perryhead has to make a baseless, derogatory remark about Steve...

[RubyTequila]

Ruby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Those red leather pants are a joke. He looked like a girl in them, with his stringy curls. He moves like a girl. He may be the nicest guy in the world but you know what they say about nice guys.

Dave, I hope that you're posting something of interest but sorry, I just can't take the time to read through your remedial format.

HOTS...back away from your crackpipe and get some help!
Steve Augeri is so damn fine in those leathers...red & beige!
Your just so damn jealous that Steve Perry Como cant even fit into a pair much less strut around on stage... and without the use of BEN-GAY for his achin hip...DOH! did I say that? MY BAD!
Glad to see he finally paid a barber to cut all that freakish stringy black hair that was down to his damn waist...looked like old indian woman!

HOTS, your post above is why we need add more chlorine to the gene pool!

[Rockindeano]

Ruby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Those red leather pants are a joke. He looked like a girl in them, with his stringy curls. He moves like a girl. He may be the nicest guy in the world but you know what they say about nice guys.

Oh Jesus mother and my buttcheeks...Did you ever see Perry with the tied up shirt in the front? Hey I'm no queer eye for the whatever, and I know that was the time then, but crap, that wasn't very hetero was it?

[Rockindeano]

I just can't take the time to read through your remedial format.

Let me make it simple and easy for you..

Go the fuck away and you won't have to worry anylonger!

[mamos]

HOTS really has a nasty streak.

If Mr. Augeri and the new revitalised Journey bug you so much. Don't stay and discuss them.

[NealIsGod]

Wow, Ruby. Great comeback post. HOTS' hair is singed from that one!

[Greg]

This is one of the best posts ever.
However, my one debate is that Journey might not be around at all if Perry had stayed. One, Neal and Perry might not be able to get along well enough to work together anymore; Two, Perry could be (to me, he IS) reluctant to tour.

You are correct! More than likely, either one would happen - especially Perry and Schon not getting along.

Thinking about it in the perspective of Trial By Fire, the band had been gone for 10 years - they come back and get quite a bit of radio air play with 'When You Love A Woman'...and the song gets nominated for a grammy. This happens during the point of the 90's where classic rock bands were merely nostalgic acts you heard at a local fair - not the big arena thing. Bands like Hootie and the Blowfish or Matchbox 20 ruled the airways. For Journey to have so much press and exposure with TBF was an outstanding feat! The album was not a very strong album at all! And..they did it with their classic orginial lineup from the 80's.

I don't believe Journey would have had as much press or been nominated for a grammy with another lead singer - especially one that was not well known prior to joining Journey. Believe me, popularity in today's music doesn't always mean singing skills ya know! That is why I believe having orginial members of the band - especially lead vocals - is extremely important to classic acts that are trying to get respect in today's music.

Now...the point of the debate is: what if Journey had switched lead singers in the 80's....after ROR? Well, they basically did by forming Bad English. Van Halen has been the only band I know of that could be possibly more commerically successful without their orginial lead vocalist under the orginial band name. Kansas switched lead singers and had an outstanding vocalist in John Elefante, but they didn't enjoy as much success.

I believe you have to put Journey in a different category from the rest of those bands...because Perry, back in those days, had a unique voice that people still recognize today as Journey. It would have been different if Steve Perry started out as a solo vocalist (like Sammy Hagar did before joining VH,) but Journey and Steve Perry's commerical success came after Perry had joined the band.

The point I'm trying to make in my rambling is that Journey is a great band with or without Perry in my eyes. However, for Journey to ever have the same respect like they did in the 80's, you'd have to have Perry in the band; Steve Perry himself said, "Carry on if you want to, just don't call it Journey." Of course that is not his decision as it was Neal's band in the first place, but what Perry says is true until Journey can have large commercial success...especially here in the states.

[Greg]

LOL...I guess most of the threads end up in this debate, huh?

At this point, I don't care if the US ever plays Journey songs again...as long as Journey keeps crankin' out good albums like Arrival and Generations, then they'll have me as a fan! If Perry can find the motivation to put out an album...I'll be first in line to buy it!

[jrnyman28]

LOL...I guess most of the threads end up in this debate, huh?

At this point, I don't care if the US ever plays Journey songs again...as long as Journey keeps crankin' out good albums like Arrival and Generations, then they'll have me as a fan! If Perry can find the motivation to put out an album...I'll be first in line to buy it!

We definately agree. journey keeps rockin'. And if Perry would sing something....I'd be there.

[jrnyman28]

Thinking about it in the perspective of Trial By Fire, the band had been gone for 10 years - they come back and get quite a bit of radio air play with 'When You Love A Woman'...and the song gets nominated for a grammy. This happens during the point of the 90's where classic rock bands were merely nostalgic acts you heard at a local fair - not the big arena thing. Bands like Hootie and the Blowfish or Matchbox 20 ruled the airways.

You have a good point. But nostalgia and reunion can go a long way.

For Journey to have so much press and exposure with TBF was an outstanding feat! The album was not a very strong album at all! And..they did it with their classic orginial lineup from the 80's.

Again, good point. But I think it is almost soley because it was the "classic" lineup of Journey.

I don't believe Journey would have had as much press or been nominated for a grammy with another lead singer - especially one that was not well known prior to joining Journey. Believe me, popularity in today's music doesn't always mean singing skills ya know!

Absolutely!

what if Journey had switched lead singers in the 80's....after ROR? Well, they basically did by forming Bad English. Van Halen has been the only band I know of that could be possibly more commerically successful without their orginial lead vocalist under the orginial band name. Kansas switched lead singers and had an outstanding vocalist in John Elefante, but they didn't enjoy as much success.

If Journey had made the switched WHILE they were still in the heights of their popularity, in some ways it would have been easier. If, for no other reason, that their fans would still be listening for new Journey music. Also, it would have been without all the speculation. There would have had to be some sort of official announcement.

The point I'm trying to make in my rambling is that Journey is a great band with or without Perry in my eyes. However, for Journey to ever have the same respect like they did in the 80's, you'd have to have Perry in the band;

I am not sure it is about respect as much as just plain empathy. No one really cares now...except us fans.

[heardonthestreet]

Very good! Content stinks but delivery shows promise, Dave.

So we now know that Augeri isn't a songwriter of note, if at all, and that he needs help on vocals, plus the fact that concert crowd only wants the old gems, so what do you have? A nice guy covering Classic Journey. That's all the crowd wants. They can last awhile with that if Schon dosen't bore the hell out of them with his quitar.

jmho

[Rockindeano]

Very good! Content stinks but delivery shows promise, Dave.

So we now know that Augeri isn't a songwriter of note, if at all, and that he needs help on vocals, plus the fact that concert crowd only wants the old gems, so what do you have? A nice guy covering Classic Journey. That's all the crowd wants. They can last awhile with that if Schon dosen't bore the hell out of them with his quitar.

jmho

Augeri sucks. Steve Augeri needs his drummer to help him! How sad is that?! And the guitar is just too loud, and plays sloppy most of the time. The crowd is bored to tears, and I couldn't have agreed with HOTS any more than this. HOTS, you are a dream catch.

[NealIsGod]

Thanks for that opinion, HOTS. Now I will go back to listening to the new Journey CD and buy tickets for the Journey concert. How is life in 1982? You typing your posts on a Texas Instruments computer, using DOS? Here's a tip - buy stock in a little company called Microsoft...

[heardonthestreet]

Sorry Ruby!
That was the 70's and how they all dressed. Augeri looks like someone out of the 70's, now.

[Rockindeano]

Sorry Ruby!
That was the 70's and how they all dressed. Augeri looks like someone out of the 70's, now.

I would rather have sex with Augeri than you..skank

[heardonthestreet]

Thanks NIG! Enjoy your concert and bring your own beer. The beer lines are long. Check to make sure that your concert is one where they give the c.d. Not all are. I hope that you get your full three hours. Sorry that your going to have to put up with the oldies. That is all the crowd is there for.

[heardonthestreet]

LOL. I already knew that, Deano.

[NealIsGod]

Where did you hear that not all concerts feature the CD giveaway, HOTS? By the way, CDs are a new format that replace cassettes.

[Rockindeano]

Where did you hear that not all concerts feature the CD giveaway, HOTS? By the way, CDs are a new format that replace cassettes.

God, some venues aren't allowing the giveaway. In fact last night was one of them...

[NealIsGod]

Oh, so it isn't Journey's call. Why would a venue be against that?

[jrnyman28]

Very good, Dave.

Having fun...

So we now know that Augeri isn't a songwriter of note, if at all,

Where do you get that from?
And you should not say "we" since you cannot be included...you have not listened to any of "Generations" so you cannot comment on anything within.

and that he needs help on vocals,

I guess I will not argue this. He does, at times, need some help. But that is where Deen comes in. And that continues to show the depth of talent in Journey.

plus the fact that concert crowd only wants the old gems,

Ya know, it is true that many people do not want the pre-Perry material because they are not familiar with it. (Sad if you call yourself a Journey fan but...) However, from the reviews I have seen, the new material is actually being received pretty well. Several different people have reported that the crowd treat Faith In The Heartland as if it is already a classic. THAT is a great sign! And let's remember that, just because someone sits when a new song is played, does NOT mean they don't want to hear it or don't like it.

so what do you have?

I have a great band continuing to put out great music and playing great shows for all their fans. YOU have a reason to complain and an idol who chooses to keep quiet.

They can last awhile with that if Schon dosen't bore the hell out of them with his quitar.
jmho

Nothin' humble about it...but Neal is never boring on his guitar!

[jrnyman28]

You typing your posts on a Texas Instruments computer, using DOS? Here's a tip - buy stock in a little company called Microsoft...

LMFAO!!

[jrnyman28]

Sorry Ruby!
That was the 70's and how they all dressed. Augeri looks like someone out of the 70's, now.

That is NOT how "they" all dressed. Many reviewers and critics reported the androgynous/feminine look of Perry. Some were so bad that they ignored his voice because of his appearance. Look at the back cover of Departure....UuuGH!