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styxfanNH wrote:Tommy was an easier sell as "A" face/superstar of Styx. He was single.
yogi wrote:Meeting Dennis Deyoung, his family, Glen Burtnik, Tim Orchard and Dennis's inner circle has to be one of my lifes highlights. It was just incredible for me. Again, I just cant state enough how nice they all were. Do I need to get out more????
This may turn into a babble, that may even piss some of you off because in the end I am sure I will take the swiss road but here is what I want to say.
Courtrooms aside who really is Styx now??
A wise man recently said to me that the REAL talent in Styx was Dennis, Tommy and then Glen. The others were all good players, but the GREAT talent, the talent that set them apart from other bands came from those three. Dennis's band now has two of those three GREAT talents.
The same wise man also said that in just about every interview JY is asked about Dennis. When Dennis is interviewed he is never asked about JY. Most people dont even know who JY is. This pisses JY off so he cant even see straight. This goes back to Dennis and Tommy being the real stars in the band.
This brings me to Glen. He was on one album with 'Dennis led Styx'. Off that album he penned five songs, and sang lead on four including the title track. Go back and listen to Edge, its an awesome album. The album had two top thirty hits which were the last hits for the band. He then penned two brilliant songs for Greatest Hits Volume ll. Then after releasing Poolakville, and Retrospectable? returned with Tommy and the boyz for the 1999 tour and Cyclorama.
Lets quickly talk Cyclorama. For me the five top songs on that CD were: Kiss Your Ass Goodbye, Yes I Can, Killing The Thing That You Love, One With Everything, and These Are The Times. Glen was a major force on the first four of those songs.
Finally, you have Glen's 'Welcome To Hollywood' next to Equinox I dont think I will EVER like an album more. It is more brilliant today than the first time I heard it. It is simply the finest CD that nobodys heard of. In the last 15 years, if there was ever a MUST purchase piece of rock music this is it!! In my opinion Glen COMPLETELY blows Tommy out of the water talent wise. Seven Deadly Zens was very good, BUT Welcome To Hollywood is EPIC!!!
So what should happen with Styx?? Dennis was the superstar of the band, ALWAYS has been, ALWAYS will be. Tommy and Glen were the stars. And the rest of the band were the role players. Dont get me wrong role players are important, but still they are role players.
JY has been there frm the beginning, BUT he must realize that he was and still is a role player. A Private cant tell a General what to do, or can he?? Our courts now say they can. This is wrong.
I have NO clue what went on in the judges chambers regarding the Styx name. From what I have read JY now owns this name.This is wrong. How about calling them "The New Styx'. But not 'Styx'. Not without Dennis or Glen.
Way Way back in 1978 the rest of the band called Dennis 'The Doctor'. I can tell you this much... 'The Doctor Is STILL In. He is once again rocking.
And with the addition of Glen is playing a much more entertaining show than the band that currently calls itself Styx.
Ash wrote:Preface: A lot of this message is meandering thoughts and not all of it is my personal opinion. I'm just trying to take an idea and think it through. Keep that in mind when you read....So then Zan, JY is a star? Really? What notable thing did JY do to distinguish himself in Styx. What is JY "known" for outside of the group of hard core Styx fans. Don't get me wrong, JY has written a couple of pretty good, above average songs (bordering on Brilliant with Miss America)... but hell ... even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
Did I say he was a star? Well, my best friend thinks JY is the only guy is Styx who writes songs she can stand, and she's far from a hard core Styx fan. So that's one. All I said was that two guys who dedicated their lives day in, day out to the band having less of a right to be considered part of the band than someone like Glen, who not only joined for a brief time, but has been very vocal about not wanting to be considered "a part of" it and who has also referred to JY as "the hardest working guy in Styx," seemed extremely ridiculous. But that's what Yogi is proposing: No Styx without Dennis - or Glen.
If we're talking about the rights to be considered "Styx," the statement is assinine.
And why does it always come back to "hits" and "notariety" for some people? Madonna has more hits & notariety in her little finger than Styx, and she sucks. What's the point?Glen has more talent and originality in his little finger than JY has in his entire frame. Glen has top 10 songs without Styx. Glen is a widely known and respected musician throughout the music community. JY is the footnote. And if you think JY is the footnote, then Chuck is irrelevant. Now I'm not saying chuck is irrelevant, because I'm not being disrespectful - I'm just saying from a perspective, it can be seen that way. Nobody remembers the bass player from Styx. Nobody knows the drummer. People remember Dennis and Tommy. Dennis for his songs, Tommy for his looks.
um, MOST people (not hard cores) only remember is Tommy - and many of them are heterosexual guys. WE remember Dennis because we bothered to read the over-zealous credits on all of their albums when we were young and impressionable. Most people don't care that much. But Glen's song-writing history has nothing to do with Styx. So why is it that Glen is more included in the "what Styx is" catagory? makes zero sense.PErhaps it would have been best for Styx to change their name - then they wouldn't have to compete with it.
But what would there be to bitch about? lolAnyway - Yogi, I love Welcome To Hollywood. It is Glen's best work. It's definitely on par with 7DZ...
...or something. lolGlen may not consider himself part of Styx - but I think part of that is the humility he tries to project and the fact that he's through taking sides in a bitter divorce. He wants to play and have fun - and for the moment he seems to be positioning himself to be in the middle, without being in the way.
Zan wrote:Definitely humility. Definitely just wants to play. That and the fact that many Styx fans never really accepted him until Tommy brought him in. Then it was ok for him to be there. lol
Zan wrote:However, as the DDY nazis from days gone by liked to bring up relentlessly, "Ritual" only topped out at #80 or something, while "Show me the Way" was the real success - and even that was mostly due to the tragedy in the Gulf.
DerriD wrote:Zan wrote:However, as the DDY nazis from days gone by liked to bring up relentlessly, "Ritual" only topped out at #80 or something, while "Show me the Way" was the real success - and even that was mostly due to the tragedy in the Gulf.
So DDY fans are 'nazis' now. And I suppose that fans of the 'new' Styx are open minded and evolved and of course have absolutely no lunatic fringe whatsoever.
Elections are over four months away and you're already in mid-season DNC form, lose the argument, call a name.
DerriD wrote:Zan wrote:However, as the DDY nazis from days gone by liked to bring up relentlessly, "Ritual" only topped out at #80 or something, while "Show me the Way" was the real success - and even that was mostly due to the tragedy in the Gulf.
So DDY fans are 'nazis' now. And I suppose that fans of the 'new' Styx are open minded and evolved and of course have absolutely no lunatic fringe whatsoever.
Elections are over four months away and you're already in mid-season DNC form, lose the argument, call a name.
SuiteMadameBlue wrote:Welcome to the usual forum here.I guess I'm a nazi, yippee!
Ash wrote:I accepted Glen when I saw him at Merryweather Post Pavilion on the EOTC tour. The guy was nervous (it was like their 4th or 5th show of the tour)... I mean he was REALLY nervous. Be he came off sounding and playing like a champ. When he started into the initial rif of Renegade - he won a lot of Styx fans over in that audience. The ovation the band got after renegade was astounding.... kinda like "you did good dude"... and most people knew Tommy wasn't in Styx since he was off with Damn Yankees having success there... so it's not like it was covert.
It was very cool.
Zan wrote:Ya know, if I knew so many people wouldn't bother to READ, I wouldn't waste my time wording my posts properly.
I SAID: "DDY nazis from days gone by," and they did exist. Deal with it. I never knew a single Dennis fan who received threatening or hate mails from a Styx supporter, I can't say the same for some Styx fans, myself included.
styxfanNH wrote:Tommy was an easier sell as "A" face/superstar of Styx. He was single.
Zan wrote:
I SAID: "DDY nazis from days gone by," and they did exist. Deal with it. I never knew a single Dennis fan who received threatening or hate mails from a Styx supporter, I can't say the same for some Styx fans, myself included.[/color][/b]
SuiteMadameBlue wrote:Zan wrote:
I SAID: "DDY nazis from days gone by," and they did exist. Deal with it. I never knew a single Dennis fan who received threatening or hate mails from a Styx supporter, I can't say the same for some Styx fans, myself included.[/color][/b]
Who the hell would send hate mail / email regarding a band?? Was this during the break-up time? People are goofy!
I don't know any Dennis supporter that received any hate mail during that time either.
I only receive hate PM's and have been threatened on this board.
DerriD wrote:Zan,
Sorry about the bad time. It certainly gives insight as to where you are coming from and no one should have to tolerate that crap about all things a musician playing a song for God's sakes. But remember that from 'my side' I've heard people bash Dennis since I was in junior high (he's an easy target) so I too get defensive when he gets slammed on this board. There's plenty of idiots to go around this world for sure.
DerriD wrote:Zan,
Sorry about the bad time. It certainly gives insight as to where you are coming from and no one should have to tolerate that crap about all things a musician playing a song for God's sakes. But remember that from 'my side' I've heard people bash Dennis since I was in junior high (he's an easy target) so I too get defensive when he gets slammed on this board. There's plenty of idiots to go around this world for sure.
DerriD wrote:Zan,
Sorry about the bad time. It certainly gives insight as to where you are coming from and no one should have to tolerate that crap about all things a musician playing a song for God's sakes. But remember that from 'my side' I've heard people bash Dennis since I was in junior high (he's an easy target) so I too get defensive when he gets slammed on this board. There's plenty of idiots to go around this world for sure.
Zan wrote:SuiteMadameBlue wrote:Zan wrote:
I SAID: "DDY nazis from days gone by," and they did exist. Deal with it. I never knew a single Dennis fan who received threatening or hate mails from a Styx supporter, I can't say the same for some Styx fans, myself included.[/color][/b]
Who the hell would send hate mail / email regarding a band?? Was this during the break-up time? People are goofy!
I don't know any Dennis supporter that received any hate mail during that time either.
I only receive hate PM's and have been threatened on this board.
Oh, lots! I got some, Glen got a TON. Vicki (msrobotto) got some...there are more, I'm just blanking right now. One guy even went so far as to create a new online personality, attempt to "befriend" me to get personal information, so that he could use it against me on the boards if need be. I shit you not.
When he didn't get what he was looking for, he "came out" and admitted who he was, and was laughing "hahaha...you fell for it!" Like I was in the F-ing 3rd grade. Unreal.
Derri - would you prefer I used the word "PSYCHOPATHS" instead? It's actually more accurate.
Ash wrote:Zan wrote:Definitely humility. Definitely just wants to play. That and the fact that many Styx fans never really accepted him until Tommy brought him in. Then it was ok for him to be there. lol
styxfanNH wrote:Zan,
You should have used Soup Nazi
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