FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH

[yogi]

Meeting Dennis Deyoung, his family, Glen Burtnik, Tim Orchard and Dennis's inner circle has to be one of my lifes highlights. It was just incredible for me. Again, I just cant state enough how nice they all were. Do I need to get out more????

This may turn into a babble, that may even piss some of you off because in the end I am sure I will take the swiss road but here is what I want to say.

Courtrooms aside who really is Styx now??

A wise man recently said to me that the REAL talent in Styx was Dennis, Tommy and then Glen. The others were all good players, but the GREAT talent, the talent that set them apart from other bands came from those three. Dennis's band now has two of those three GREAT talents.

The same wise man also said that in just about every interview JY is asked about Dennis. When Dennis is interviewed he is never asked about JY. Most people dont even know who JY is. This pisses JY off so he cant even see straight. This goes back to Dennis and Tommy being the real stars in the band.

This brings me to Glen. He was on one album with 'Dennis led Styx'. Off that album he penned five songs, and sang lead on four including the title track. Go back and listen to Edge, its an awesome album. The album had two top thirty hits which were the last hits for the band. He then penned two brilliant songs for Greatest Hits Volume ll. Then after releasing Poolakville, and Retrospectable? returned with Tommy and the boyz for the 1999 tour and Cyclorama.
Lets quickly talk Cyclorama. For me the five top songs on that CD were: Kiss Your Ass Goodbye, Yes I Can, Killing The Thing That You Love, One With Everything, and These Are The Times. Glen was a major force on the first four of those songs.

Finally, you have Glen's 'Welcome To Hollywood' next to Equinox I dont think I will EVER like an album more. It is more brilliant today than the first time I heard it. It is simply the finest CD that nobodys heard of. In the last 15 years, if there was ever a MUST purchase piece of rock music this is it!! In my opinion Glen COMPLETELY blows Tommy out of the water talent wise. Seven Deadly Zens was very good, BUT Welcome To Hollywood is EPIC!!!

So what should happen with Styx?? Dennis was the superstar of the band, ALWAYS has been, ALWAYS will be. Tommy and Glen were the stars. And the rest of the band were the role players. Dont get me wrong role players are important, but still they are role players.

JY has been there frm the beginning, BUT he must realize that he was and still is a role player. A Private cant tell a General what to do, or can he?? Our courts now say they can. This is wrong.

I have NO clue what went on in the judges chambers regarding the Styx name. From what I have read JY now owns this name.This is wrong. How about calling them "The New Styx'. But not 'Styx'. Not without Dennis or Glen.

Way Way back in 1978 the rest of the band called Dennis 'The Doctor'. I can tell you this much... 'The Doctor Is STILL In. He is once again rocking. And with the addition of Glen is playing a much more entertaining show than the band that currently calls itself Styx.

What I hope happens in the next year or two is that Dennis, Glen, Tommy, Chuck, and Todd will join back up and give their fans one last set of shows. Kyle could fill for Todd if Todd is unwilling and the same with Hank for Chuck. JY would be welcomed back if he could overcome his intense jealousy and bitterness.

In the mean time enjoy it ALL while you can!!!!!!

[shaka]

I agree with you about Burtnik's contributions. I think the guy was the breath of life that they needed to make Cyclorama.

I disagree with you on Dennis' superstar status. I remember back in the seventies and eighties at the height of Styx's popularity. My sister had all those crazy mags like Tiger Beat. Unless my memory is screwed Tommy was the teen idol of Styx. I would put Tommy Shaw right next to Dennis on the superstar pedestal.

eric

[styxfanNH]

Tommy was an easier sell as "A" face/superstar of Styx. He was single.

[Jodes]

I don't think Chuck will be part of it, there's a lot of other stuff between him and Dennis, and his brother and Dennis (RIP) that mnay of us don't know about or have just heard the "tip o the iceberg" about. There's a reason why Chuck sided with JY and Tommy.

Don't forget a short time ago Dennis wanted to renegotiate Styx's contracts that only Songwriters get royalties, cutting the Panozzo's out of a lot of their hard earned royalties, allowing them to only get revenue when they are on the road. With one tour from 1984 to 92, that really doesn't give much money when you're expecting a cheque every month.

[Zan]

Tommy was an easier sell as "A" face/superstar of Styx. He was single.

...and attractive.

[Zan]

Meeting Dennis Deyoung, his family, Glen Burtnik, Tim Orchard and Dennis's inner circle has to be one of my lifes highlights. It was just incredible for me. Again, I just cant state enough how nice they all were. Do I need to get out more????

This may turn into a babble, that may even piss some of you off because in the end I am sure I will take the swiss road but here is what I want to say.

Courtrooms aside who really is Styx now??

A wise man recently said to me that the REAL talent in Styx was Dennis, Tommy and then Glen. The others were all good players, but the GREAT talent, the talent that set them apart from other bands came from those three. Dennis's band now has two of those three GREAT talents.

The same wise man also said that in just about every interview JY is asked about Dennis. When Dennis is interviewed he is never asked about JY. Most people dont even know who JY is. This pisses JY off so he cant even see straight. This goes back to Dennis and Tommy being the real stars in the band.

With all due respect, Yogi, what do you know about what pisses JY off to no end? Seriously. Or are you just assuming thhat because JY can't stand Dennis that the reason MUST BE because Dennis was the star back in the day?

Obviously, you had a spiritual experience with the DeYoung clan and all, but pull it out and come back to Earth, dude. lol

This brings me to Glen. He was on one album with 'Dennis led Styx'. Off that album he penned five songs, and sang lead on four including the title track. Go back and listen to Edge, its an awesome album. The album had two top thirty hits which were the last hits for the band. He then penned two brilliant songs for Greatest Hits Volume ll. Then after releasing Poolakville, and Retrospectable? returned with Tommy and the boyz for the 1999 tour and Cyclorama.
Lets quickly talk Cyclorama. For me the five top songs on that CD were: Kiss Your Ass Goodbye, Yes I Can, Killing The Thing That You Love, One With Everything, and These Are The Times. Glen was a major force on the first four of those songs.

Finally, you have Glen's 'Welcome To Hollywood' next to Equinox I dont think I will EVER like an album more. It is more brilliant today than the first time I heard it. It is simply the finest CD that nobodys heard of. In the last 15 years, if there was ever a MUST purchase piece of rock music this is it!! In my opinion Glen COMPLETELY blows Tommy out of the water talent wise. Seven Deadly Zens was very good, BUT Welcome To Hollywood is EPIC!!!

I CERTAINLY won't disagree with you about Glen or his contributions. I don't think it's any big secret that I'm a huge Glen fan (like, duh), but everything you mentioned about top songs and albums are strictly your opinion. None of them were chart-busters, and only really identifiable by hard-core Styx fans - and in some cases, Glen's solo material is still a mystery to some hard-core Styx fans.

MY opinion, Edge was not very good. DDY made 2-1/2 decent efforts on that (Not Dead Yet Wasn't Written by him), and IMO, the rest of what made that album any good was Glen's material. However, as the DDY nazis from days gone by liked to bring up relentlessly, "Ritual" only topped out at #80 or something, while "Show me the Way" was the real success - and even that was mostly due to the tragedy in the Gulf.

So what should happen with Styx?? Dennis was the superstar of the band, ALWAYS has been, ALWAYS will be. Tommy and Glen were the stars. And the rest of the band were the role players. Dont get me wrong role players are important, but still they are role players.

JY has been there frm the beginning, BUT he must realize that he was and still is a role player. A Private cant tell a General what to do, or can he?? Our courts now say they can. This is wrong.

I have NO clue what went on in the judges chambers regarding the Styx name. From what I have read JY now owns this name.This is wrong. How about calling them "The New Styx'. But not 'Styx'. Not without Dennis or Glen.

Whatever it is that you're smoking, I'd like to try some before I die. JY & Chuck are a "role players" and Glen is more deserving of the name STYX than he is? Are you daft?

Glen doesn't even consider himself a PART OF STYX. To him, it was always a gig. TO GLEN, Glen is/was a role player. man, what did "that guy" say to you?

Way Way back in 1978 the rest of the band called Dennis 'The Doctor'. I can tell you this much... 'The Doctor Is STILL In. He is once again rocking.

Well, if he is, I've yet to see or hear it. I'm having visions of Tom Jones singing "Hard to Handle" in my head. Ugh.

Dennis was called "doctor" because he used to carry around a hugemedical bag filled with pills and vitamins because he was always afraid of being sick. I think "the doctor" never left.

And with the addition of Glen is playing a much more entertaining show than the band that currently calls itself Styx.

Glen to any equation is certainly more entertaining. But Dennis' shows pale in comparison to the edgy-in-your-face shows that Styx puts out. Again, that's MY opinion. You have yours. But unless fireworks shoot out of his ears and Suzanne is OFF THE STAGE, I doubt I will ever find his shows more enjoyable than Styx's.

[Ash]

Preface: A lot of this message is meandering thoughts and not all of it is my personal opinion. I'm just trying to take an idea and think it through. Keep that in mind when you read....


So then Zan, JY is a star? Really? What notable thing did JY do to distinguish himself in Styx. What is JY "known" for outside of the group of hard core Styx fans. Don't get me wrong, JY has written a couple of pretty good, above average songs (bordering on Brilliant with Miss America)... but hell ... even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Glen has more talent and originality in his little finger than JY has in his entire frame. Glen has top 10 songs without Styx. Glen is a widely known and respected musician throughout the music community. JY is the footnote. And if you think JY is the footnote, then Chuck is irrelevant. Now I'm not saying chuck is irrelevant, because I'm not being disrespectful - I'm just saying from a perspective, it can be seen that way. Nobody remembers the bass player from Styx. Nobody knows the drummer. People remember Dennis and Tommy. Dennis for his songs, Tommy for his looks.

Notice when people ask Dennis about the past it's always in terms of the "other guys in the band" or "the rest of the band". They're almost never referred to by name.... yet JY is always talking specifically about Dennis. I think this is why Tommy referenced "some in the band" in his most recent note... which Is an attempt (albeit thin) at trying not to take the low road. In some sense, JY is still to this day trying to escape the shadow of Dennis Deyoung - and the media isn't playing along. And that makes JY angry. Hell I know it would make me angry. PErhaps it would have been best for Styx to change their name - then they wouldn't have to compete with it.

Anyway - Yogi, I love Welcome To Hollywood. It is Glen's best work. It's definitely on par with 7DZ... and blows the solo records of any other member of the band away - including Dennis (hey thats my opinion). Glen may not consider himself part of Styx - but I think part of that is the humility he tries to project and the fact that he's through taking sides in a bitter divorce. He wants to play and have fun - and for the moment he seems to be positioning himself to be in the middle, without being in the way.

[Zan]

Preface: A lot of this message is meandering thoughts and not all of it is my personal opinion. I'm just trying to take an idea and think it through. Keep that in mind when you read....

So then Zan, JY is a star? Really? What notable thing did JY do to distinguish himself in Styx. What is JY "known" for outside of the group of hard core Styx fans. Don't get me wrong, JY has written a couple of pretty good, above average songs (bordering on Brilliant with Miss America)... but hell ... even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Did I say he was a star? Well, my best friend thinks JY is the only guy is Styx who writes songs she can stand, and she's far from a hard core Styx fan. So that's one. All I said was that two guys who dedicated their lives day in, day out to the band having less of a right to be considered part of the band than someone like Glen, who not only joined for a brief time, but has been very vocal about not wanting to be considered "a part of" it and who has also referred to JY as "the hardest working guy in Styx," seemed extremely ridiculous. But that's what Yogi is proposing: No Styx without Dennis - or Glen.

If we're talking about the rights to be considered "Styx," the statement is assinine.

And why does it always come back to "hits" and "notariety" for some people? Madonna has more hits & notariety in her little finger than Styx, and she sucks. What's the point?

Glen has more talent and originality in his little finger than JY has in his entire frame. Glen has top 10 songs without Styx. Glen is a widely known and respected musician throughout the music community. JY is the footnote. And if you think JY is the footnote, then Chuck is irrelevant. Now I'm not saying chuck is irrelevant, because I'm not being disrespectful - I'm just saying from a perspective, it can be seen that way. Nobody remembers the bass player from Styx. Nobody knows the drummer. People remember Dennis and Tommy. Dennis for his songs, Tommy for his looks.

um, MOST people (not hard cores) only remember is Tommy - and many of them are heterosexual guys. WE remember Dennis because we bothered to read the over-zealous credits on all of their albums when we were young and impressionable. Most people don't care that much. But Glen's song-writing history has nothing to do with Styx. So why is it that Glen is more included in the "what Styx is" catagory? makes zero sense.

PErhaps it would have been best for Styx to change their name - then they wouldn't have to compete with it.

But what would there be to bitch about? lol

Anyway - Yogi, I love Welcome To Hollywood. It is Glen's best work. It's definitely on par with 7DZ...

...or something. lol

Glen may not consider himself part of Styx - but I think part of that is the humility he tries to project and the fact that he's through taking sides in a bitter divorce. He wants to play and have fun - and for the moment he seems to be positioning himself to be in the middle, without being in the way.

Definitely humility. Definitely just wants to play. That and the fact that many Styx fans never really accepted him until Tommy brought him in. Then it was ok for him to be there. lol

[Ash]

Definitely humility. Definitely just wants to play. That and the fact that many Styx fans never really accepted him until Tommy brought him in. Then it was ok for him to be there. lol

I accepted Glen when I saw him at Merryweather Post Pavilion on the EOTC tour. The guy was nervous (it was like their 4th or 5th show of the tour)... I mean he was REALLY nervous. Be he came off sounding and playing like a champ. When he started into the initial rif of Renegade - he won a lot of Styx fans over in that audience. The ovation the band got after renegade was astounding.... kinda like "you did good dude"... and most people knew Tommy wasn't in Styx since he was off with Damn Yankees having success there... so it's not like it was covert.

It was very cool.

[DerriD]

However, as the DDY nazis from days gone by liked to bring up relentlessly, "Ritual" only topped out at #80 or something, while "Show me the Way" was the real success - and even that was mostly due to the tragedy in the Gulf.

So DDY fans are 'nazis' now. And I suppose that fans of the 'new' Styx are open minded and evolved and of course have absolutely no lunatic fringe whatsoever.

Elections are over four months away and you're already in mid-season DNC form, lose the argument, call a name.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Yogi, I'm glad that everything worked out and that you were able to meet and talk to almost everyone.

It makes a big difference when you meet a person face to face and hear what they have to say, the ones that have been there and lived through the whole Styx Soap Opera.

I'm fortunate that I did hear different sides of the story directly from a few members mouths and their viewpoint on certain things that happened.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

However, as the DDY nazis from days gone by liked to bring up relentlessly, "Ritual" only topped out at #80 or something, while "Show me the Way" was the real success - and even that was mostly due to the tragedy in the Gulf.

So DDY fans are 'nazis' now. And I suppose that fans of the 'new' Styx are open minded and evolved and of course have absolutely no lunatic fringe whatsoever.

Elections are over four months away and you're already in mid-season DNC form, lose the argument, call a name.

Welcome to the usual forum here. I guess I'm a nazi, yippee!

[Zan]

However, as the DDY nazis from days gone by liked to bring up relentlessly, "Ritual" only topped out at #80 or something, while "Show me the Way" was the real success - and even that was mostly due to the tragedy in the Gulf.

So DDY fans are 'nazis' now. And I suppose that fans of the 'new' Styx are open minded and evolved and of course have absolutely no lunatic fringe whatsoever.

Elections are over four months away and you're already in mid-season DNC form, lose the argument, call a name.

Ya know, if I knew so many people wouldn't bother to READ, I wouldn't waste my time wording my posts properly.

I SAID: "DDY nazis from days gone by," and they did exist. Deal with it. I never knew a single Dennis fan who received threatening or hate mails from a Styx supporter, I can't say the same for some Styx fans, myself included.

[Zan]

Welcome to the usual forum here. I guess I'm a nazi, yippee!

Read my post again. I swear, a few meet & greets with the DeYoung family, and everything's an open sore.

[Zan]

I accepted Glen when I saw him at Merryweather Post Pavilion on the EOTC tour. The guy was nervous (it was like their 4th or 5th show of the tour)... I mean he was REALLY nervous. Be he came off sounding and playing like a champ. When he started into the initial rif of Renegade - he won a lot of Styx fans over in that audience. The ovation the band got after renegade was astounding.... kinda like "you did good dude"... and most people knew Tommy wasn't in Styx since he was off with Damn Yankees having success there... so it's not like it was covert.

It was very cool.

Not everyone was as welcoming as you or I, Ash. And a LOT of those people suddenyl changed their tune when they knew Tommy wasn't going anywhere.

[DerriD]

Ya know, if I knew so many people wouldn't bother to READ, I wouldn't waste my time wording my posts properly.

I SAID: "DDY nazis from days gone by," and they did exist. Deal with it. I never knew a single Dennis fan who received threatening or hate mails from a Styx supporter, I can't say the same for some Styx fans, myself included.

As per point one, I did read it correctly and understood the context, but you did take the opportunity to throW Nazi in there again.

As far as Dennis fans getting hate mail, JY only has so much time on his hands.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Tommy was an easier sell as "A" face/superstar of Styx. He was single.

Not true, Tommy was married two times during that time. The record company/publicist at that time made it look like they were all single. I posted the old articles regarding this - which no reads. This was normal back then to sell more records, especially to the girls - LOL

[SuiteMadameBlue]

I SAID: "DDY nazis from days gone by," and they did exist. Deal with it. I never knew a single Dennis fan who received threatening or hate mails from a Styx supporter, I can't say the same for some Styx fans, myself included.[/color][/b]

Who the hell would send hate mail / email regarding a band?? Was this during the break-up time? People are goofy!

I don't know any Dennis supporter that received any hate mail during that time either.

I only receive hate PM's and have been threatened on this board.

[Zan]

I SAID: "DDY nazis from days gone by," and they did exist. Deal with it. I never knew a single Dennis fan who received threatening or hate mails from a Styx supporter, I can't say the same for some Styx fans, myself included.[/color][/b]

Who the hell would send hate mail / email regarding a band?? Was this during the break-up time? People are goofy!

I don't know any Dennis supporter that received any hate mail during that time either.

I only receive hate PM's and have been threatened on this board.

Oh, lots! I got some, Glen got a TON. Vicki (msrobotto) got some...there are more, I'm just blanking right now. One guy even went so far as to create a new online personality, attempt to "befriend" me to get personal information, so that he could use it against me on the boards if need be. I shit you not.

When he didn't get what he was looking for, he "came out" and admitted who he was, and was laughing "hahaha...you fell for it!" Like I was in the F-ing 3rd grade. Unreal.

Derri - would you prefer I used the word "PSYCHOPATHS" instead? It's actually more accurate.

[Zan]

Oh, I forgot: THIS....

Is THE BEST! Thanks, Suite. Er, nazi. or something.

[DerriD]

Zan,

Sorry about the bad time. It certainly gives insight as to where you are coming from and no one should have to tolerate that crap about all things a musician playing a song for God's sakes. But remember that from 'my side' I've heard people bash Dennis since I was in junior high (he's an easy target) so I too get defensive when he gets slammed on this board. There's plenty of idiots to go around this world for sure.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

You're welcome and you can call me Nazi Suite !!

I really have to read over the posts better, I'm just so tired!

My favorite Tommy picture is my Avatar one. I love when guys wear jeans partly opened and an open shirt like that. OMG, I totally melt and then some. I'll have to bring up the Tommy thread that I started and repost his pictures in there.

That's too bad about how you and others were treated over a band. I had a few people on this board befriend me and took the "information" I gave them and used it against me. I fricken never learn either. It hurt a few other people on here and I lost a good friend on here. I hate idiots and I hope bad things happen to them and they have a miserable life!

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Zan,

Sorry about the bad time. It certainly gives insight as to where you are coming from and no one should have to tolerate that crap about all things a musician playing a song for God's sakes. But remember that from 'my side' I've heard people bash Dennis since I was in junior high (he's an easy target) so I too get defensive when he gets slammed on this board. There's plenty of idiots to go around this world for sure.

Derri, I never heard anyone bash Dennis or the band when I was in grade or high school. I only hear it recently, but it's more about the band Styx.

I always get defensive about Dennis. Lately I just let it go on here, I've given up for the most part.

[Zan]

Zan,

Sorry about the bad time. It certainly gives insight as to where you are coming from and no one should have to tolerate that crap about all things a musician playing a song for God's sakes. But remember that from 'my side' I've heard people bash Dennis since I was in junior high (he's an easy target) so I too get defensive when he gets slammed on this board. There's plenty of idiots to go around this world for sure.

Hey, no problem, Derri. I always had to defend "Styx" growing up because THEY always got ragged on but never any individual in the group. My feelings about/for Dennis as a person just aren't very favorable. I don't care who said what to who or who believes what that so-and-so said. I think actions speak louder than words, and DDY has never impressed me on any level as a person (altho, I did hear ONE cool story about him once, I admit). As far as "his" music goes, I like the old days before he went soft and his attempts at rock started to suck. Again, this is strictly MO. My opinions about this band vs. DDY and that whole fiasco are that sometimes people have to lie in the beds they make, sucky as it may be - I do not and will not believe that JY and Tommy are so evil that they just decided to be greedy and "steal" the band from Dennis - that isn't the reality that I live in, it just isn't. I believe there were legitimate reasons for what they did, and that it's a lot harder to live in a situation than to stand on the sidelines and say "they shouldn't do that." As an artist, Dennis DeYoung is exceptional - particularly as a singer, and I will defend Styx music probably 'til the day I die. But him - no thanks. I don't care how many people he recruits.

Now that THAT'S off my chest, I'll say this: Any person who gets so worked up (rabid) over a frickin' rock band has serious mental/emotional issues and should be institutionalized. Argue, get irritated, pissed, whatever you want, but when you take it to a personal level like some of these freaks did, you're a sick puppy. And to tell you the truth, Derri, after awhile (and SO many "problems" with various "fans"), I stopped keeping track of who was a nutjob and who wasn't. When I would start to see phrases like "Dennis wrote 8 out of 10 of their top ten hits..." and "Shaw put the money up his nose," a little red flag would pop up for me, and they'd automatically be written off as a wack. So for that, I apologize, but it took me a long time to get to that point, and from I heard back in the day from friends and acquaintences that spoke to him, Dennis and his camp were encouraging people to get up in arms about the situation - and some people took it to the extreme - I don't hold him responsible, but he's not blameless in my eyes either.

That said, I'm TOLD that Dennis is no longer that person. If that's true, I think it's great. But I have my reservations, and given that a couple people here have gone backstage recently and come back more up in arms then usual, I'm that much more doubtful. Again, my opinion. I'm sure some disagree with it, and that's ok too. lol

I appreciate your post, Derri. I'm glad you enjoy Dennis and his music. Whatever the reasons are for your stance, they're your own, and that's cool with me, just as it is with anyone here (except maybe Froy - haha).

Suite - I'm sorry you had bad experiences with bad seeds too. I think it's shitty. However, in my situation, a lot of these people weren't trying to gather information about the band or the band's situation, they were trying to get information about ME. They hated me THAT MUCH for the position I took regarding this band. I say f*ck 'em.

[styxfanNH]

Zan,

Sorry about the bad time. It certainly gives insight as to where you are coming from and no one should have to tolerate that crap about all things a musician playing a song for God's sakes. But remember that from 'my side' I've heard people bash Dennis since I was in junior high (he's an easy target) so I too get defensive when he gets slammed on this board. There's plenty of idiots to go around this world for sure.

DerriD,
Everyone in this forum gets bashed. It's pretty well balanced with supporters of all members.

[styxfanNH]

I SAID: "DDY nazis from days gone by," and they did exist. Deal with it. I never knew a single Dennis fan who received threatening or hate mails from a Styx supporter, I can't say the same for some Styx fans, myself included.[/color][/b]

Who the hell would send hate mail / email regarding a band?? Was this during the break-up time? People are goofy!

I don't know any Dennis supporter that received any hate mail during that time either.

I only receive hate PM's and have been threatened on this board.

Oh, lots! I got some, Glen got a TON. Vicki (msrobotto) got some...there are more, I'm just blanking right now. One guy even went so far as to create a new online personality, attempt to "befriend" me to get personal information, so that he could use it against me on the boards if need be. I shit you not.

When he didn't get what he was looking for, he "came out" and admitted who he was, and was laughing "hahaha...you fell for it!" Like I was in the F-ing 3rd grade. Unreal.

Derri - would you prefer I used the word "PSYCHOPATHS" instead? It's actually more accurate.

Zan,
You should have used Soup Nazi

[gr8dane]

Definitely humility. Definitely just wants to play. That and the fact that many Styx fans never really accepted him until Tommy brought him in. Then it was ok for him to be there. lol

I accepted Glen when I saw him at Merryweather Post Pavilion on the EOTC tour. The guy was nervous (it was like their 4th or 5th show of the tour)... I mean he was REALLY nervous. Be he came off sounding and playing like a champ. When he started into the initial rif of Renegade - he won a lot of Styx fans over in that audience. The ovation the band got after renegade was astounding.... kinda like "you did good dude"... and most people knew Tommy wasn't in Styx since he was off with Damn Yankees having success there... so it's not like it was covert.


Here.

Excuse me for a sec.
Anal Dane here.
Are you telling me they played Renegade and Tommy was not even in the band.How could they?
They were using songs for their own benefit ,it wasn't even Tommys voice.
And on and on.

[Zan]

Zan,
You should have used Soup Nazi

I LOVE SOUP NAZI!!! He's even on my "friends" list on myspace. LOL

[Jodes]

Yes Dane, they did Snowblind, Too Much Time, Renegade and Blue Collar Man with Glen.

I have two shows from the 91 tour where Glen does all the Tommy tunes, plus Edge, Ritual, World Tonight and All In A Days Work.

Weird huh?

[DerriD]

Zan,

Thanks for the dissertation I am never surprised at just how far some 'fans' take their fanatacism. I can be moved to being mildly upset, but that's about it. I can imagine that women posting do indeed have more to worry about than someone's take on an album or what constitutes the 'real' line-up.

Suite,

Yeah I heard alot of Dennis bashing, even 'back in the day'. My best guess as to why you never heard it, but I did is that as a woman you could get away with listening to the 'gay' guy. That is the type of crap I heard. The 'Oh, you listen to them' comments were usually based on the ballads and since Dennis was the guy behind the ballads he took the brunt of the abuse. I remember once when Desert Moon first came out a friend of a friend was like you listen to that faggy stuff? That type of response would get played out several times over the years. Not the typical stuff that women would say to one another. When the guys I worked with found out I was going to see the reunion tour in '96 the 'gay' comments reared up again. About the only response I could come up with was that Dennis has had more opportunity than they could only dream of. Pretty lame, but I just wanted to shut 'em up.

As for who in the band I like or dislike, I pretty much like 'em all. I will admit that I was disappointed when Tommy was out for Edge, I did think Glen did a fine job, but I never really thought of him as 'one of the guys'. Ditto his appearance on Cyclorama. Dennis not being in the band leaves a little more bitter taste than Tommy not being in. Mainly due to the way it happened. I never have really blamed Tommy or JY for wanting to tour. I don't think Tommy is a bad guy, he seems likable by all accounts. But JY just seems bitter. Sad really.