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Rockn'deano wrote:I will, but I think eitehr one of you has his lips firmly around the others' pole...
BA and his band are more talented, have more hits and rock better, but hey, it's just an opinion.
I will see Toto, just for you Wombat Bitch, but you need to open a BA forum.....the Journy Forum is way out of control, LOL
rubiconman wrote:Rockn'deano wrote:I will, but I think eitehr one of you has his lips firmly around the others' pole...
BA and his band are more talented, have more hits and rock better, but hey, it's just an opinion.
I will see Toto, just for you Wombat Bitch, but you need to open a BA forum.....the Journy Forum is way out of control, LOL
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Ray
Rockn'deano wrote:rubiconman wrote:Rockn'deano wrote:I will, but I think eitehr one of you has his lips firmly around the others' pole...
BA and his band are more talented, have more hits and rock better, but hey, it's just an opinion.
I will see Toto, just for you Wombat Bitch, but you need to open a BA forum.....the Journy Forum is way out of control, LOL
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BA and his band more talented..?? You ARE kidding, right...?![]()
Ray
No fuckdick, I am not. BA is more talented than anyone in Toto
Sings, plays lead guitar, rythm guitar, piano, and bass
Andrew wrote:BA is good, his band (esp. Keith Scott) are great, but NO ONE tops Toto for technical skill and soulful spirit.
+ they have played on literally 1000's of records and hits. Check the discography at www.stevelukather.net
Rockn'deano wrote:Andrew wrote:BA is good, his band (esp. Keith Scott) are great, but NO ONE tops Toto for technical skill and soulful spirit.
+ they have played on literally 1000's of records and hits. Check the discography at www.stevelukather.net
BS. Live, NO ONE is better than Journey. The vocals are tight and right on EVERY night!
Andrew wrote:BA is good, his band (esp. Keith Scott) are great, but NO ONE tops Toto for technical skill and soulful spirit.
+ they have played on literally 1000's of records and hits. Check the discography at www.stevelukather.net
Buy or download legally of course some records not just listen to the hits.
I think you might like the little more hardge edged stuff so look for these albums
Isolation
The Seventh One
Kingdom of desire
Falling in Between
Turn Back
Hydra
Toto IV
And yes, Vapor Trails is the best Rush record since Moving Pictures and one of the better hard rock/metal records of the last 15 years.
Cato Alumni wrote:Actually, quite the opposite.
Since 1991, I can think of only a few records that are in the same ballpark in terms of innovation, freshness, and consistency:
Bruce Dickinson -- Accident of Birth, Chemical Wedding
Halford -- Ressurection, Crucible
Maiden -- BNW, DoD
Metallica -- St. Anger
Dream Theater -- Images and Words
None of the quintessential thrash bands (Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, Testament...) have done anything that really stands out. [On a side note, I don't know why Chuck Billy insists on the death growl he has a very good and distinctive vocal.] And even the proggy St. Anger is highly disliked. Obviously no pop-metal bands have done anything remarkable (with the possible exception of Tesla's Into the Now); and the European metal scene is stale.
Granted, I only have about a 1000 metal cds, so there may be things I've overlooked, but as I look at the rest of my collection.. in 20 years I can't imagine any of them standing as tall as Vapor Trails.
Cato Alumni wrote:The DVD of St. Anger sounds a lot better than the cd, if that's what is holding you back. I don't mind so much the unique drum sound.. and even its "tinniness" isn't always apparent.
Cato Alumni wrote:but usually the stuff I like I hate when I first listen to it.
Bruce Dickinson -- Accident of Birth, Chemical Wedding
Halford -- Ressurection, Crucible
Maiden -- BNW, DoD
Metallica -- St. Anger
Dream Theater -- Images and Words
Death metal like Opeth and Into Eternity I write off right away. If you can't sing, don't bother calling it metal and certainly not classic
Ditto for Symphony X, albeit to a lesser extent. Frankly, there is DT, then there is everything else (Spock's Beard, Flower Kings, etc.). I'm not saying they aren't good groups, but to my ears they've done nothing close to the classic that Rush has.
The metal scene has had some bright spots (as I mentioned earlier). But twenty years from now? I'm sorry, but you're never going to hear, 'oh, Into Eternity influenced me to become a hardrock/metal band'. No, they are going to look to Sabbath, Maiden, Priest, Rush, Zep, Purple, Motorhead, Metallica et al.
You obviously like different music than I do, but it has nothing to do with my lack of knowledge of the genre.
You've demonstrated a partial knowledge of the genre mate...and by stating albums like Dance of Death and St Anger (two of the biggest clunkers of the last 15 years...and this is a widespread opinion) as contenders for albums keeping metal alive then i really don't know.
There were quite a few on my list you didn't adress or know of...so if you haven't heard em...check em out.
I don't think so. I teach guitar at a music school and the kids of today are coming to lessons with bands like Trivium and In Flames. These are the bands getting kids into metal these days....i'm 30 and the bands you mentioned got me into metal. The newer bands contain plenty of elements of the classic bands from the 70's and 80's and kids who get into metal will probably find out about the original forefathers down the track...but if you think the music of 20-30 years ago is gonna influence kids 20 years down the track you are kidding yourself....fuck...half the kids aged 15-20 i teach don't even know who Eddie Van Halen is.
Actually, what you are stating is that because I disagree with you or have a different opinion that I am in some ways "partially knowledgeable".
3. Amazon.com rates it at 4/5 from 500 users. [While certainly a lot of the ratings come from die-hards (as with any of these ratings), what could be more accurately termed a clunker, Virtual XI, rates at 3/5 from 100 users. Clearly the "masses" are making some distinction in quality between the two].
As to St. Anger, this is tough to judge the record's general quality given the band is so massive worldwide and continues to be very popular. For instance, in spite of what you suggest is "widespread opinion" that St. Anger is bad, it sold 2 million copies in the US and went platinum all over the world. They continue to win awards. Is part of this attributable to past successes? Probably. Did they irritate fans with a return to their old sound? I'm sure they did. But bad records from good bands don't sell. St. Anger did.
Certainly newer bands have to be a gateway to the older groups in many respects (if for no other reason that older metal is hard to come by on the radio or MTV). But that wasn't necessarily my point.
I'm sorry, but you're never going to hear, 'oh, Into Eternity influenced me to become a hardrock/metal band'. No, they are going to look to Sabbath, Maiden, Priest, Rush, Zep, Purple, Motorhead, Metallica et al.
No....you claimed that Opeth and Into Eternity couldn't sing...i showed you they could...a lot better than Araya or Cronos. You were wrong.
Vitual X only deserves 1.5/5...it was absolutely shithouse...of course BNW and DoD are gonna sell well....every Maiden fan in the world was gonna buy a copy because Bruce is back...i got them both in the first week...i hoped for the best.
Again...how many of those were sold [of St. Anger] in the first few weeks...i read it was a return to the old sound...i bought it the first day along with so many other people and was shocked at how bad it was...it wasn't a return to the old sound.....if only. It was worse than Load and Reload even.
I've seen a shitload of copies in second hand cd shops thats for sure
.....and don't give me that 'bad records from good bands don't sell' shit....seen the charts recently?
Huge bands like Metallica and to a lesser extent Iron Maiden are always gonna sell a certain amount of cds....doesn't matter how good or bad they are...they have diehard fans,distribution and marketing behind them.
what you said was this mate
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I'm sorry, but you're never going to hear, 'oh, Into Eternity influenced me to become a hardrock/metal band'. No, they are going to look to Sabbath, Maiden, Priest, Rush, Zep, Purple, Motorhead, Metallica et al.
i found out about the good stuff soon after but thats how it works....
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