THE STYX BOYCOTT

[froy]

So, Rock in Detroit, let me ask you a simple question..would you see Dennis live? Because the intial nature of Froy's boycott is to boycott Styx, and if you want them to reform, you have to not see either group, Dennis or Styx.

NO thats not what FROY said WRONG

As for Froy-

That's a mighty long stretch to put Gowan in Ted Bundy's shoes. It points to signs of you sadly needing help.

I did not put anyone in any shoes
The fact is you do not know somebody just because they seem nice when you meet them.

[Monker]

He thought "I am going to show the world I am a ROCKER!"

Gee, I'm glad you know his thoughts. It seems to me that he said he needed the work.

In the Damn Yankee concerts they really went off bashing Babe.

When people say this, they always conveniently forget they also 'bashed' "Sister Christian". IT WAS A JOKE. When Dennis expressed to Tommy how upset he was about it - THEY QUIT DOING IT.

[/quote]Then the way the whole exit of Dennis happened was wrong. The lawsuit and the continuous bashing of him on top of it.[/quote]

You make it sound as if Styx sued Dennis...It was the other way around. The 'bashing' at that time went both ways, too.

[qoute]The fight was not between Dennis and the fans but TS/JY and Dennis.[/quote]

Then Dennis should not have said that all Styx' fans on the internet would drink tommy's bathwater.

So, as this whole fued affected others out side of Froy? Yes. I am one that joined the boycott long before Froy did.

Nobody is saying that things have not 'affected' other people besides froy. I think most people just want to get on with other things, instead of constantly bringing stuff up from up to eight years ago. It's a bit redundant and silly.

As for 'joining the boycott' before froy...I cut and pasted a post from the Journey Usenet Newsgroup where froy was calling for a boycott back in early 2000....So, I doubt VERY much you 'joined' much before froy.

[OrlandoChris]

Froy, if you want Dennis to rejoin the band you have to make sure that he's not making any money as himself.

Sorry, it's happening. And it will continue, because we, the fans, are lucky enough to tell him, through our wallets that we like what he's doing.

Styx will keep playing, because we, as fans, will keep telling them through our wallets that we like what they're doing.

Got it yet? It's the nature of boycott Froy. You can't have one without the other. It's also VERY logical. (Stop it Zan)

I know that it doesn't work for you Froy, so, I do give up where you are concerned.

[froy]

Froy, if you want Dennis to rejoin the band you have to make sure that he's not making any money as himself.

Sorry, it's happening. And it will continue, because we, the fans, are lucky enough to tell him, through our wallets that we like what he's doing.

Phil Collins is making money as himself and we like what he is doing but he is getting back with Genesis next year'
I know you are trying every angle
No luck yet

Styx will keep playing, because we, as fans, will keep telling them through our wallets that we like what they're doing.

And they will keep taking your money right out of that wallet
Fine throw away your money

[froy]

He thought "I am going to show the world I am a ROCKER!"

Gee, I'm glad you know his thoughts. It seems to me that he said he needed the work.

Sure he needed the work coke costs a fortune.

In the Damn Yankee concerts they really went off bashing Babe.

When people say this, they always conveniently forget they also 'bashed' "Sister Christian".

Yea a jack blades song and he was in the band
Nice try.

IT WAS A JOKE.

Just like STYX

When Dennis expressed to Tommy how upset he was about it - THEY QUIT DOING IT.

And now they are making a joke out of his songs
I hope they quit doing that also.
I will get to the rest later
I need to get my massage oh INGA

[RockInDetroit]

He thought "I am going to show the world I am a ROCKER!"

Gee, I'm glad you know his thoughts. It seems to me that he said he needed the work.

In the Damn Yankee concerts they really went off bashing Babe.

When people say this, they always conveniently forget they also 'bashed' "Sister Christian". IT WAS A JOKE. When Dennis expressed to Tommy how upset he was about it - THEY QUIT DOING IT.

Then the way the whole exit of Dennis happened was wrong. The lawsuit and the continuous bashing of him on top of it.[/quote]

You make it sound as if Styx sued Dennis...It was the other way around. The 'bashing' at that time went both ways, too.

[qoute]The fight was not between Dennis and the fans but TS/JY and Dennis.[/quote]

Then Dennis should not have said that all Styx' fans on the internet would drink tommy's bathwater.

So, as this whole fued affected others out side of Froy? Yes. I am one that joined the boycott long before Froy did.

Nobody is saying that things have not 'affected' other people besides froy. I think most people just want to get on with other things, instead of constantly bringing stuff up from up to eight years ago. It's a bit redundant and silly.

As for 'joining the boycott' before froy...I cut and pasted a post from the Journey Usenet Newsgroup where froy was calling for a boycott back in early 2000....So, I doubt VERY much you 'joined' much before froy.[/quote]











Tommy Shaw continued to bash the song and some of Styx's earlier work long after he stopped doing it in the Damn Yankees.

There is a difference between what Jack Blades did and what Tommy did. First I don't think it was a blatant. Secondly Jack has gone on to embrace Sister Christain. I have never heard Jack say a bad thing about Sister Christain other than the song type casted the group. But I believe he is a big supporter of that song. Saw NR on the Craig Ferguson song playing only Sister Christain. Would Styx with Tommy Shaw (and Dennis) ever do that with babe? Never in a million years.

As far as my boycott, I was going to say it goes back to the Damn Yankees but that is lying. I did see Styx after they reformed after the Damn Yankees. But when Dennis was exiled again I began right up again. I will be honest, I never cared for JY. Tommy has had his moments where I liked him. When JY sings I cringe...this guy can not accept the fact that people do not want him singing Styx songs.

Also, Dennis has not been as vocal about the feud as Tommy and JY. Dennis also treasures everything he has done with Styx.

My boycott is not to get Styx back together with DD. That is their business, and personally if they ever got back together it would be very hypocritical. Would I see Dennis solo? Sure. Have I no. I just don't see as many concerts as I used to. You know you get married and have kids and things change....especially if the wife doesn't want to go. How do I justify that expense over and over again. But I am happy for Dennis and wish him continuous success. A friend saw him in concert and said he was quite good.

[redSG]

For what it's worth, I saw Damn Yankees about 8 times over the course of their touring, and I saw them do the "Babe" thing once, in the very first show I saw. I never saw them do the "Sister Christian" thing, but if they did, it would've been the exact same thing--that song is not a Jack Blades song...it was written and sung by Kelly Keagy.

I didn't find anything surprising or offensive about them snickering at "Babe." It was never a hidden thing that Tommy didn't care for the song, and the whole bit was actually quite funny. It was just them taking the mick on a guy who helped record one of the sappiest ballads ever, and was then working with a guy who thinks a love song is "Wango Tango!"

[styxfanNH]

So, Rock in Detroit, let me ask you a simple question..would you see Dennis live? Because the intial nature of Froy's boycott is to boycott Styx, and if you want them to reform, you have to not see either group, Dennis or Styx.

NO thats not what FROY said WRONG

As for Froy-

That's a mighty long stretch to put Gowan in Ted Bundy's shoes. It points to signs of you sadly needing help.

I did not put anyone in any shoes
The fact is you do not know somebody just because they seem nice when you meet them.

Froy is now talking about himself in the third person...

[styxfanNH]

Froy, if you want Dennis to rejoin the band you have to make sure that he's not making any money as himself.

Sorry, it's happening. And it will continue, because we, the fans, are lucky enough to tell him, through our wallets that we like what he's doing.

Phil Collins is making money as himself and we like what he is doing but he is getting back with Genesis next year'
I know you are trying every angle
No luck yet

Styx will keep playing, because we, as fans, will keep telling them through our wallets that we like what they're doing.

Rod Stewart has a successfeul solo career and I don't see Faces reuniting. We can pick a hundred artists to make the claims one way or another.

[styxfanNH]

As far as my boycott, I was going to say it goes back to the Damn Yankees but that is lying. I did see Styx after they reformed after the Damn Yankees. But when Dennis was exiled again I began right up again. I will be honest, I never cared for JY. Tommy has had his moments where I liked him. When JY sings I cringe...this guy can not accept the fact that people do not want him singing Styx songs.

And JY only sings his songs with the exception of Lorelie which he CO-WROTE with Dennis. You apparantly have issues with that?

You can't selectively boycott. And if you haven't supported this lineup for years, they have moved on from you. A boycott is only effective if current supporters stop supporting the band. They have moved on from those that don't.

The bashing continues from all sides, don't fool yourself.

[Monker]

Tommy Shaw continued to bash the song and some of Styx's earlier work long after he stopped doing it in the Damn Yankees.

There is a difference between what Jack Blades did and what Tommy did. First I don't think it was a blatant. Secondly Jack has gone on to embrace Sister Christain. I have never heard Jack say a bad thing about Sister Christain other than the song type casted the group. But I believe he is a big supporter of that song. Saw NR on the Craig Ferguson song playing only Sister Christain. Would Styx with Tommy Shaw (and Dennis) ever do that with babe? Never in a million years.

As far as my boycott, I was going to say it goes back to the Damn Yankees but that is lying. I did see Styx after they reformed after the Damn Yankees. But when Dennis was exiled again I began right up again. I will be honest, I never cared for JY. Tommy has had his moments where I liked him. When JY sings I cringe...this guy can not accept the fact that people do not want him singing Styx songs.

Also, Dennis has not been as vocal about the feud as Tommy and JY. Dennis also treasures everything he has done with Styx.

My boycott is not to get Styx back together with DD. That is their business, and personally if they ever got back together it would be very hypocritical. Would I see Dennis solo? Sure. Have I no. I just don't see as many concerts as I used to. You know you get married and have kids and things change....especially if the wife doesn't want to go. How do I justify that expense over and over again. But I am happy for Dennis and wish him continuous success. A friend saw him in concert and said he was quite good.

so, basicaly you are just here to whine and complain about Styx, and cheer froy on. Great. I'm sure he'll appreciate it.

[RockInDetroit]

[quote="Monker"][quote]
so, basicaly you are just here to whine and complain about Styx, and cheer froy on. Great. I'm sure he'll appreciate it.[quote]

No, need for me to continue this discussion. I can see you are getting offensive. I was just stating something I had felt for years. Can't even post on Styx's message board they want to milk their fans out of every possible dollar....so here was my opportunity. Notice this was my first post ever on this site. It is something I have wanted to voice for sometime.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

so, basicaly you are just here to whine and complain about Styx, and cheer froy on. Great. I'm sure he'll appreciate it.

No, need for me to continue this discussion. I can see you are getting offensive. I was just stating something I had felt for years. Can't even post on Styx's message board they want to milk their fans out of every possible dollar....so here was my opportunity. Notice this was my first post ever on this site. It is something I have wanted to voice for sometime.

RockInDetroit,

First welcome to the board.

Please post any of your feelings here, just be prepared to take the heat from those that disagree. There are all kinds of Styx fans on here.

There were a few more people that shared your feelings but they no longer post and have given up posting their opinions without getting their heads ripped off.

[styxfanNH]

so, basicaly you are just here to whine and complain about Styx, and cheer froy on. Great. I'm sure he'll appreciate it.

No, need for me to continue this discussion. I can see you are getting offensive. I was just stating something I had felt for years. Can't even post on Styx's message board they want to milk their fans out of every possible dollar....so here was my opportunity. Notice this was my first post ever on this site. It is something I have wanted to voice for sometime.

RockInDetroit,

First welcome to the board.

Please post any of your feelings here, just be prepared to take the heat from those that disagree. There are all kinds of Styx fans on here.

There were a few more people that shared your feelings but they no longer post and have given up posting their opinions without getting their heads ripped off.

It would be naive to post on this forum without expecting to have someone counter your point. Especially if you have read the last dozen posts. Those on here are pretty well versed on the politics of the band.

Post often, welcome. But working toward the middle ground is probably a smart move.

[Zan]

There were a few more people that shared your feelings but they no longer post and have given up posting their opinions without getting their heads ripped off.

Likewise, there are lots of people who stopped posting pro-Styx for the same reasons. Some people just have way too much sense in their heads!

[AnnieOprah]

so, basicaly you are just here to whine and complain about Styx, and cheer froy on. Great. I'm sure he'll appreciate it.

No, need for me to continue this discussion. I can see you are getting offensive. I was just stating something I had felt for years. Can't even post on Styx's message board they want to milk their fans out of every possible dollar....so here was my opportunity. Notice this was my first post ever on this site. It is something I have wanted to voice for sometime.

Detroit, You NAILED IT!! People like Monker and Zan are fine with you unless you state an anti-Styx, pro Dennis opinion. Then they will come down on you like a sledge hammer. They are so hypocritical it makes me cringe (notice the word...kind of like what DDY's songs do to JY). They can criticize Dennis, criticize Babe, criticize Dennis's orchestra shows, but if one DARES to criticize the current Styx line-up, JY's cringe inducing voice (ooh there's that word again!), or the current line-up's hypocrissy, then you are immediately disparaged. Its a two way street with these people - Dennis gets hammered for saying a very true statement in that Brave New World was an album of missed opportunities and then the same people that hammer Dennis excuse JY for saying that DeYoung's songs make him cringe (wow, this is becomming my favorite word). The argument against Dennis was "how can he be so cruel as to disparage the group and what they created". But somehow, JY gets away with saying DeYoung's songs are "Cringe-inducing". If that ain't a disparage on the group's work, then I don't know what is. And considering the fact that between radio, albums, singles, videos etc. Babe, et al have been heard at least 10 million times verses the 20,000 times that the songs on Brave New World have been heard (estimating 4 times each by the 5,000 people that actually bought the album), then you have JY criticizing a substantial more relevent body of Styx work to the general public.

But you certainly saw the light rather quickly around here. These hypocrites are cringe inducing indeed.

[AnnieOprah]

There were a few more people that shared your feelings but they no longer post and have given up posting their opinions without getting their heads ripped off.

Likewise, there are lots of people who stopped posting pro-Styx for the same reasons. Some people just have way too much sense in their heads!

Obviously, you and I are not one of them..

[Jodes]

I thought Brave New World sold about 80 000 copies lol

[rsimpson]

I actually like Brave New World

[redSG]

I actually like Brave New World

Same here. I wish they'd bring back a couple of the songs live.

[Zan]

Some people just have way too much sense in their heads![/color][/b]

Obviously, you and I are not one of them..[/quote]


Well, nice to see us finally agree on something.

[Zan]

I actually like Brave New World

Same here. I wish they'd bring back a couple of the songs live.

Ditto. Everything Is Cool was a very cool show opener. As was the Sopranos theme beforehand.

[Monker]

People like Monker and Zan are fine with you unless you state an anti-Styx, pro Dennis opinion.

I don't have any problem with people being "pro" Dennis and making "pro" Dennis posts. What I don't care for is people being "anti" Styx and coming here and doing nothing but posting "anti" Styx messages with the idea that they are being "pro" Dennis. What's the point of coming to a Styx forum if all you read are "anti" Styx posts?

They can criticize Dennis

I don't constantly criticize Dennis. When I do it is mostly in reply to some "anti" Styx post. So what?

criticize Babe

I don't think I have ever criticized "Babe" as a song. As a turning point in the direction of Styx, maybe...But, not the song itself.

criticize Dennis's orchestra shows

Why not? At least I saw one. How many times have the froy's of this forum critiqued Styx - WITHOUT EVEN SEEING A SHOW? I also don't constantly harp on the subject like the anti-Styx people do.

but if one DARES to criticize the current Styx line-up, JY's cringe inducing voice (ooh there's that word again!), or the current line-up's hypocrissy, then you are immediately disparaged.

Not immediately...but, if that is all a person is here for, why not? It's pretty shitty to come to a forum and do nothing but whine and complain about something you don't like. I believe it detracts from the forum and makes EVERYBODY a little less happy.

Dennis gets hammered for saying a very true statement in that Brave New World was an album of missed opportunities

I don't think I ever did that. Show me the post and quote it.

and then the same people that hammer Dennis excuse JY for saying that DeYoung's songs make him cringe

Yeah, so? Get over it. If that's how JY feels, fine. Why sould you opinion of his feelings be a reason for not speaking them?

The argument against Dennis was "how can he be so cruel as to disparage the group and what they created".

I don't remember me saying that either. Show me the post and quote it.

My argument "against" Dennis is that his solo shows are boring for me, and Styx shows aren't. That's really the bottom line for me.

And considering the fact that between radio, albums, singles, videos etc. Babe, et al have been heard at least 10 million times verses the 20,000 times that the songs on Brave New World have been heard (estimating 4 times each by the 5,000 people that actually bought the album), then you have JY criticizing a substantial more relevent body of Styx work to the general public.

So what? Dennis critiqued songs off of BNW. Did you freak out over that? Probably not - because you agree with him, and they are not 'his' songs.

Well, it's the same situation. They are still Styx songs...JY doesn't like some, and neither does Dennis. I'm sure the rest of the band has songs they dont like too. Who cares? It's just their opinion...enjoy what you like...but complaining that others, including the band, don't like the same thing is really kinda pointless.

[OrlandoChris]

You know, according to BTM, Tommy hates "First Time". So do I. Not a favorite Styx song, but at least he has the balls to say it. Also know that he did stop punking Babe after Suzanne said it bothered her. It was a bit in the show guys, to be taken with a sense of humour. It hurt instead and they have all gotten over it.

As for JY. Look at it this way, highly creative person who just wants to go out and have a great time playing music that he made with a great group. That group is not in it's original incarnation, but he can still go out, have fun, make some cash. This is what he wants to do. Not a problem, right? It's called freedom.

Someone who he used to be friends with comes along and says "I'll sue you for playing that music you helped create, so you better stop."

Not a good thing. You now have to play the music with restrictions. You can get bitter, it's called being HUMAN! While it's easy to find the negativity in what's being said here, everyone keeps forgetting we're not in the eight year blackout of the eighties. We have music being played NIGHTLY by both sides.

This is a problem? It shouldn't be.

Just call me a member of the middle of the road, will see everyone when able.

Thank you and good day.

[DerriD]

As for JY. Look at it this way, highly creative person who just wants to go out and have a great time playing music that he made with a great group. That group is not in it's original incarnation, but he can still go out, have fun, make some cash. This is what he wants to do. Not a problem, right? It's called freedoM.

I agree with your overall take on JY, but for me and many others, our problem lies more with JY's demeanor than his profiteering. He has the band 'the way he wants it' and still seems downright cranky most of the time.

[styxfanNH]

JY's always had that personna. The difference now is JY is the spokesperson for the band when before (in many ways) he had a diminished role so you see/hear him more often.

[froy]

JY's always had that personna. The difference now is JY is the spokesperson for the band when before (in many ways) he had a diminished role so you see/hear him more often.

glad you admit it
dont have too look any further to see why Styx is failing .
just 2 letters does it JY