Reality

[SF-Dano]

You've all made excellent points, and I see all sides. I guess for me it's that I never had the privilege of seeing a Journey show with SP at the lead (saw SA once & it was a really good show). It would be the 'concert of a lifetime' for me, and something that I will keep hoping for.

It's just that I feel like if everyone is so damned determined to "move on" then stop playing the songs that Steve Perry sang, which are so ingrained in all of us, that every time we hear them we long to see 'the voice' singing them. I guess I'm a "loon", but I'm not unrealistic. JSS is kicking ass for Journey, and if they want to proceed with this, they need to get into the studio and record some new stuff, instead of recycling the old stuff night after night after night...

It may be wishful thinking, but I'm gonna still hope...

Even when they do produce new music with JSS, it will still not comprise the bulk of their live show. Again, to say "stop playing the songs that Steve Perry sang" is to completely discredit the contributions of the others who played, wrote, and produced those songs. The current Journey has every right to play those songs live, as does Steve Perry should he choose to in a solo setting.

[donnaplease]

You've all made excellent points, and I see all sides. I guess for me it's that I never had the privilege of seeing a Journey show with SP at the lead (saw SA once & it was a really good show). It would be the 'concert of a lifetime' for me, and something that I will keep hoping for.

It's just that I feel like if everyone is so damned determined to "move on" then stop playing the songs that Steve Perry sang, which are so ingrained in all of us, that every time we hear them we long to see 'the voice' singing them. I guess I'm a "loon", but I'm not unrealistic. JSS is kicking ass for Journey, and if they want to proceed with this, they need to get into the studio and record some new stuff, instead of recycling the old stuff night after night after night...

It may be wishful thinking, but I'm gonna still hope...

Even when they do produce new music with JSS, it will still not comprise the bulk of their live show. Again, to say "stop playing the songs that Steve Perry sang" is to completely discredit the contributions of the others who played, wrote, and produced those songs. The current Journey has every right to play those songs live, as does Steve Perry should he choose to in a solo setting.

You're right, of course. I know I need to 'get over it', but I'm just not ready to...yet. Psyched about Friday night, though...

[A Fire Inside]

I would much rather see Perry on his own than back in Journey.

[AR]

I would much rather see Perry on his own than back in Journey.

I would love to see that happen.

[Moose]

Perry solo would be better than no Perry at all

[ohsherrie]

I would much rather see Perry on his own than back in Journey.

I would love to see that happen.

Me too.

[Just Mindy]

I would much rather see Perry on his own than back in Journey.

I would love to see that happen.

Me too.

Agreed.

[treetopovskaya]

what if sp comes back just to help with the song writing? omg... jss & sp together writing songs... now that would be awesome. }:C)

I guess? but it would be better if Steve holds steadfast to what he has been saying all along=no reunion. He can stand on his own. He has stood on his own.
JSS can do fine by himself as well. There is so much talent out there, they don't need each other.

just a thought my hubby put in my head the other day.

i dunno... i feel sp is holding on to bitterness. if he truly was done with jounrey he wouldn't be putting out re-issues & ALWAYS talking about the past... his past with the band.

it would be like me always talking about my ex. if you're done you're done. }:C)

That doesn't sound like something you would say Tree, you always support Steve!!! whassup with that!!!! He's not holding onto the bitterness, he still works with them-they have children together-tied for life. But they went on...and so has he........

what i meant is i feel that his bitterness towards neal & jon is keeping him from coming back. maybe it's something he really wants to do but pride gets in the way. just my feeling. since i'm not sp i can only guess. i do support sp but sometimes i get sad thinking he's wasting such a beautiful gift... his voice. sad for him & sad for us.

[Schon Rules All]

The reality of "Journey" is this. It's basically Perry or bust. VERY few people give a shit about JSS....even less know who he is. Journey.....popular, commercial, successful, Journey... needs Perry. JSS... first and foremost, Thank You. You kept alive a tour....Thanks. Neal....dude...this is last call. Your last chance of being commercially relevant is fading. Perry+Schon (+ Cain) =$$$$$$$$$ I'll say what the VAST MAJORITY of Journey fans want to say..... WE DON'T GIVE A FUCK HOW.....JUST BRING PERRY BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's what we ALL want (THAT lineup). If you think I'm wrong....refer to "Greatest Hits." or..."Greatest Hits Live" "Essential Journey". You get the point. Perry is Journey's ONLY chance of EVER being relevant again. Why can't anyone else see that? If it aint Perry, it AINT Journey....sad, but true. It's a shame Cain has balls the size of rabbit shit. Same size of Neal's brain. Perry laughs again..then again, why wouldn't he? He WAS Journey.

Wow... I am soooo glad you have said this, I mean, honestly what was I thinking all these past 9 years going to what I thought were Journey concerts.... Good thing I have people like you to tell me what I should think! Hey by the way, since you are sharin in your infinite wisdom, what came first, the chicken, or the egg? And another question, If the year is 2006, and the Generations CD says JOURNEY, and The conert tickets say JOURNEY, and everyone at the conert is there to see JOURNEY... HOW THE HELL DO YOU FIGURE THERE IS NO JOURNEY. Im sorry, but I have never seen 4 thousand plus people gather around to watch a quitting, washed up loser on his couch talk about how he is toast so obviously.... your the one mistaken

[L~L~L]

The reality of "Journey" is this. It's basically Perry or bust. VERY few people give a shit about JSS....even less know who he is. Journey.....popular, commercial, successful, Journey... needs Perry. JSS... first and foremost, Thank You. You kept alive a tour....Thanks. Neal....dude...this is last call. Your last chance of being commercially relevant is fading. Perry+Schon (+ Cain) =$$$$$$$$$ I'll say what the VAST MAJORITY of Journey fans want to say..... WE DON'T GIVE A FUCK HOW.....JUST BRING PERRY BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's what we ALL want (THAT lineup). If you think I'm wrong....refer to "Greatest Hits." or..."Greatest Hits Live" "Essential Journey". You get the point. Perry is Journey's ONLY chance of EVER being relevant again. Why can't anyone else see that? If it aint Perry, it AINT Journey....sad, but true. It's a shame Cain has balls the size of rabbit shit. Same size of Neal's brain. Perry laughs again..then again, why wouldn't he? He WAS Journey.

Wow... I am soooo glad you have said this, I mean, honestly what was I thinking all these past 9 years going to what I thought were Journey concerts.... Good thing I have people like you to tell me what I should think! Hey by the way, since you are sharin in your infinite wisdom, what came first, the chicken, or the egg? And another question, If the year is 2006, and the Generations CD says JOURNEY, and The conert tickets say JOURNEY, and everyone at the conert is there to see JOURNEY... HOW THE HELL DO YOU FIGURE THERE IS NO JOURNEY. Im sorry, but I have never seen 4 thousand plus people gather around to watch a quitting, washed up loser on his couch talk about how he is toast so obviously.... your the one mistaken

Hmm. Guessing your more knowlegable than St. John then Just cause it looks like a duck or quacks like a duck, it don't mean it's a duck!

[Schon Rules All]

The reality of "Journey" is this. It's basically Perry or bust. VERY few people give a shit about JSS....even less know who he is. Journey.....popular, commercial, successful, Journey... needs Perry. JSS... first and foremost, Thank You. You kept alive a tour....Thanks. Neal....dude...this is last call. Your last chance of being commercially relevant is fading. Perry+Schon (+ Cain) =$$$$$$$$$ I'll say what the VAST MAJORITY of Journey fans want to say..... WE DON'T GIVE A FUCK HOW.....JUST BRING PERRY BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's what we ALL want (THAT lineup). If you think I'm wrong....refer to "Greatest Hits." or..."Greatest Hits Live" "Essential Journey". You get the point. Perry is Journey's ONLY chance of EVER being relevant again. Why can't anyone else see that? If it aint Perry, it AINT Journey....sad, but true. It's a shame Cain has balls the size of rabbit shit. Same size of Neal's brain. Perry laughs again..then again, why wouldn't he? He WAS Journey.

Wow... I am soooo glad you have said this, I mean, honestly what was I thinking all these past 9 years going to what I thought were Journey concerts.... Good thing I have people like you to tell me what I should think! Hey by the way, since you are sharin in your infinite wisdom, what came first, the chicken, or the egg? And another question, If the year is 2006, and the Generations CD says JOURNEY, and The conert tickets say JOURNEY, and everyone at the conert is there to see JOURNEY... HOW THE HELL DO YOU FIGURE THERE IS NO JOURNEY. Im sorry, but I have never seen 4 thousand plus people gather around to watch a quitting, washed up loser on his couch talk about how he is toast so obviously.... your the one mistaken

Hmm. Guessing your more knowlegable then St. John then Just cause it looks like a duck or quacks like a duck, it don't mean it's a duck!

Yes, and if it looks like a bitch, its probably Anthony Kiedis.... whats your point?

[squirt1]

This is not the 80's .The game doesn't have to be played the same anymore with a new record and endless tours. I think Steve will sing with them for one night or a few nights, then maybe show up here & there. He is not going to tour. He doesn't need to. But his destiny to is take that stage again and as I have shouted from the rooftops Perry = $$$$$$. Everyone knows it. They are free of all contractual obligations and can make any deal with one another they desire. WHen or if the news gets out they better put it on DVD so all of can see the miracle.

[Jeremey fan forever]

Dude, he ain't never coming back! Live in the now man! Its R E A L I T Y!

[Moose]

Dude, he ain't never coming back! Live in the now man! Its R E A L I T Y!

Unless he is deceased...........which he isn't, anything is possible!

[L~L~L]

The reality of "Journey" is this. It's basically Perry or bust. VERY few people give a shit about JSS....even less know who he is. Journey.....popular, commercial, successful, Journey... needs Perry. JSS... first and foremost, Thank You. You kept alive a tour....Thanks. Neal....dude...this is last call. Your last chance of being commercially relevant is fading. Perry+Schon (+ Cain) =$$$$$$$$$ I'll say what the VAST MAJORITY of Journey fans want to say..... WE DON'T GIVE A FUCK HOW.....JUST BRING PERRY BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's what we ALL want (THAT lineup). If you think I'm wrong....refer to "Greatest Hits." or..."Greatest Hits Live" "Essential Journey". You get the point. Perry is Journey's ONLY chance of EVER being relevant again. Why can't anyone else see that? If it aint Perry, it AINT Journey....sad, but true. It's a shame Cain has balls the size of rabbit shit. Same size of Neal's brain. Perry laughs again..then again, why wouldn't he? He WAS Journey.

Wow... I am soooo glad you have said this, I mean, honestly what was I thinking all these past 9 years going to what I thought were Journey concerts.... Good thing I have people like you to tell me what I should think! Hey by the way, since you are sharin in your infinite wisdom, what came first, the chicken, or the egg? And another question, If the year is 2006, and the Generations CD says JOURNEY, and The conert tickets say JOURNEY, and everyone at the conert is there to see JOURNEY... HOW THE HELL DO YOU FIGURE THERE IS NO JOURNEY. Im sorry, but I have never seen 4 thousand plus people gather around to watch a quitting, washed up loser on his couch talk about how he is toast so obviously.... your the one mistaken

Hmm. Guessing your more knowlegable then St. John then Just cause it looks like a duck or quacks like a duck, it don't mean it's a duck!

Yes, and if it looks like a bitch, its probably Anthony Kiedis.... whats your point?

My point dear madame it's just that! It's not a duck, though it looks like one and quacks like one. no need for expletives at all

[L~L~L]

Dude, he ain't never coming back! Live in the now man! Its R E A L I T Y!

Unless he is deceased...........which he isn't, anything is possible!

So very true, many here act as if S.P. himself confided that to them. I do recall him stating "never say never".

[Matthew]

I have to agree with you TREE, Why does he keep remastering these songs?Why does he keep reliving the old days when he was in Journey?Your hubby 's got a point.They are all his and Journey's children.Why is he not letting go? Is it the money,everyone knows Journey is blowing the concerts away.So question, what is it? Anybody got ideas?

Perry's an artist who is approaching his 60s....so it's uderstandable that he wants his life's work to sound and look as good as possible....and to sell as much as possible too.

Journey's back catalogue has been expertly managed for over twenty years now. Did fans ever tell Herbie Herbert to 'let go of the past' when he tirelessly worked on developing back catalogue sales after the band split in the 1980s? Now Perry is the one who is overseeing the legacy.

Journey are reliving the old days too - and if the constant touring helps the music to live on, then great.

Surely it would be totally depressing if the back catalogue stopped selling...or it became harder to find in the stores...or if no-one was bothering to use today's technology to make the old recordings sound as good as they can be...or if the classic concerts faded into obscurity?

[NealIsGod]

I would much rather see Perry on his own than back in Journey.

As much fighting as there is in this joint, I think most of us agree with that statement.

[bluejeangirl76]

I would much rather see Perry on his own than back in Journey.

As much fighting as there is in this joint, I think most of us agree with that statement.

Yes. Thank you.

Can you imagine what would happen if he ever rejoined - even for a day (like for hall of fame performances or something)?

I can think of at least 5 websites offhand that would simply collapse in on themselves, for various reasons.

I'm not even sure I'd want to see him back with Journey (hang on hang on...). As lovely as an idea as that is, I just don't think it would ever be the same.

[treetopovskaya]

i don't believe anyone who says they wouldn't want to see sp back with journey... if only for one night! i think we'd all fight to be first in line for tickets. i mean we are talking about steve perry... he is a living icon. };C)

sp is full of surprises. no one expected him to show up at the walk of fame & he did.

never say never.

[bluejeangirl76]

i don't believe anyone who says they wouldn't want to see sp back with journey... if only for one night! i think we'd all fight to be first in line for tickets. i mean we are talking about steve perry... he is a living icon. };C)

sp is full of surprises. no one expected him to show up at the walk of fame & he did.

never say never.

Well, I do think there's a good chance of seeing a performance when and if they are put into the RRHOF.
I'm pretty sure they can all play nice together for 2 or 3 songs. At least I HOPE they can.

However, your point about the walk of fame is my point about why we haven't and probably won't see anything happen with SP and Journey. Yes he surprised everyone by showing up...that's very true. But afterwards, he spent months paying for that by way of having to deny all the rumors, to the point of saying that such rumors are what keeps him from even speaking to the members of Journey, because everyone takes it to mean something that it doesn't. He was pretty adament about it.

I would love to see Perry back with Journey - don't get me wrong. But that's the perfect world. In the real world, if it did happen, I don't think it would be the same as it once was because of the complicated history. That's what I was getting at.

[ohsherrie]

i don't believe anyone who says they wouldn't want to see sp back with journey... if only for one night! i think we'd all fight to be first in line for tickets. i mean we are talking about steve perry... he is a living icon. };C)

sp is full of surprises. no one expected him to show up at the walk of fame & he did.

never say never.

I'm not saying I wouldn't go see him if he was back with Journey and continue to be a fan. It's just that it's not my first choice for him.

[Red13JoePa]

I would much rather see Perry on his own than back in Journey.

As much fighting as there is in this joint, I think most of us agree with that statement.

Agreed, then I think all will have the best of both worlds.
Journey being Journey, Perry not wanting to be Journey but out touring his solo records and singing Classic Jrny...

[Matthew]

I would much rather see Perry on his own than back in Journey.

As much fighting as there is in this joint, I think most of us agree with that statement.

Agreed, then I think all will have the best of both worlds.
Journey being Journey, Perry not wanting to be Journey but out touring his solo records and singing Classic Jrny...

I disagree....a reunion of Perry/Schon/Cain in the recording studio beats every other option by a mile.

[bluejeangirl76]

I disagree....a reunion of Perry/Schon/Cain in the recording studio beats every other option by a mile.

Totally. That would be awesome. Completely the best option, but....

[ohsherrie]

I disagree....a reunion of Perry/Schon/Cain in the recording studio beats every other option by a mile.

Totally. That would be awesome. Completely the best option, but....

Funny, but true.



Matt, that would be the dream scenario for sure if the last 8 yrs had never happened. But it did, and there's just too much dirty water under the bridge between Steve and Journey now.

[Matthew]

I disagree....a reunion of Perry/Schon/Cain in the recording studio beats every other option by a mile.

Totally. That would be awesome. Completely the best option, but....

Funny, but true.



Matt, that would be the dream scenario for sure if the last 8 yrs had never happened. But it did, and there's just too much dirty water under the bridge between Steve and Journey now.

Yes, I know Sherrie - but the last eight years have also resoundingly confirmed just how badly Perry, Schon and Cain need each other.

Anyway, I was responding to the statements from people who said they'd "rather" see Perry work separately from Schon and Cain...that if presented with a choice they'd go for Perry solo and Journey with JSS.

This is just 'making do' for all concerned, I reckon - and Perry, Schon and Cain need to get over themselves and recognise how feeble their records are when they don't record together. No Journey album since 1998 comes remotely close to those which came before...and Perry's solo career is nowhere near as good as his work with Journey either. And anyone with ears knows this is true.

If I was Journey's manager I'd hire that creepy therapist with the terrible jumpers who saved Metallica from a total meltdown and put those three boneheads in a room together and maybe, just maybe they can work their magic one last time before they're all carted off to the old people's home. If that means Journey never tour again, FINE. Just give me ONE LAST PROPER ALBUM WHICH IS WORTHY OF THE JOURNEY NAME.

Well...that was an utterly futile expression of fan rage. But thank you for letting me share.

[bluejeangirl76]

If I was Journey's manager I'd hire that creepy therapist with the terrible jumpers who saved Metallica from a total meltdown and put those three boneheads in a room together and maybe, just maybe they can work their magic one last time before they're all carted off to the old people's home. If that means Journey never tour again, FINE. Just give me ONE LAST PROPER ALBUM WHICH IS WORTHY OF THE JOURNEY NAME.

Well...that was an utterly futile expression of fan rage. But thank you for letting me share.

Truer word were never spoken.
I would support this idea wholeheartedly.

And afterwords, punish them for denying us the last 8 years by sticking them all in the SAME old folks home.

So there.

[heardonthestreet]

I would much rather see Perry on his own than back in Journey.

As much fighting as there is in this joint, I think most of us agree with that statement.

Agreed, then I think all will have the best of both worlds.
Journey being Journey, Perry not wanting to be Journey but out touring his solo records and singing Classic Jrny...

I disagree....a reunion of Perry/Schon/Cain in the recording studio beats every other option by a mile.

................................................
It's a rock band and predictably, it's what people expect a band to do. To reunite, time and again seems to be an expected event and if it never happens with Journey, they will have failed, imo. If Perry ever agrees it will be the biggest favor he could ever do them but at this stage, I doubt they or the fans that trashed him deserve it. JMO!

[NealIsGod]

It's a rock band and predictably, it's what people expect a band to do. To reunite, time and again seems to be an expected event and if it never happens with Journey, they will have failed, imo. If Perry ever agrees it will be the biggest favor he could ever do them but at this stage, I doubt they or the fans that trashed him deserve it. JMO!

They already reunited and it didn't work out. How many more times do they need to try?