STYX all but Dead

by **froy** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 11:30 am

Sorry to say but even a new dvd and cd could not generate any vibes for this dead band.
Its over man
Just simply over,

by **Jodes** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 6:56 pm

??????????????

by **styxfanNH** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:06 am

froy wrote:Sorry to say but even a new dvd and cd could not generate any vibes for this dead band.
Its over man
Just simply over,

You forgot the drug references of more than 20 years ago

by **DerriD** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:02 am

Froy may have a little more of a leg to stand on with his jabs at the 'New' live album. I bought the CYO CD thinking that the DVD was included (like 21st Century Live). Much to my disappointment it was only the CD. Much like the Journey fan base tiring of the 'Dirty Dozen', the same old songs being played over and over and over is getting old. The two new songs are forgettable, with Just Be being about a bland a Styx song as there has ever been. One With Everything was about the only song that saves this set from being totally worthless.

Even the fans of this new release(s) have to hedge their bets with the CD by saying, "well the CD is okay, but the DVD is really good." The DVD and the Cyclomedley was why I bought the package in the first place. Now I have to go buy the DVD seperately. What a waste. I also have noticed that the Youth Orchestra does indeed get drowned out. Wasn't that the point in the first place? :roll:

by **froy** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:38 am

Jodes wrote:??????????????

My point being is that nothing and I mean nothing is going to bring current STYX out of the grave.
Anyone care to bet how many units this thing has sold?
What about 5 thousand?

These guys are going to have to look at what is going on and either make a change or truly become Spinal Tap
What is next the air force dinner dance or the Holiday Inn?

Its a shame what they did to the STYX name.

by **ChicagoSTYX** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:28 am

froy wrote:Sorry to say but even a new dvd and cd could not generate any vibes for this dead band.
Its over man
Just simply over,

Froy, you have been saying the same thing for the last 7 years. Some day you will be right (nothing goes on forever) but this is not that day. I always said the White Sox would win the World Series and it took me 45 years to be right!!!! :lol:

by **sadie65** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:37 am

Like anything else, at some point the band...in any incarnation will cease to exist as a currently functioning entity. That being said, for those of us who frequent places like this, or for the casual fan who enjoys what they brought (again, any incarnation of the band), the band doesn't die. Life gives everyone the option to accept and move on, or to rail against that which we feel we cannot accept.

For me, I choose to respect that the band has done some amazing work in its lifespan. When that lifespan ceases, I will continue to enjoy that work. It's enough for me.

Peace to all

by **styxfanNH** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:27 am

Froy,

I don't think anyone here thinks that regardless of what members are in the band that they would chop the pop charts again.

The overall kid market is either in hip-hop or bubble gum pop. Could you see Dennis singing a song about the sex related/body part songs of today at his age?

by **froy** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:38 am

styxfanNH wrote:Froy,

I don't think anyone here thinks that regardless of what members are in the band that they would chop the pop charts again.

The overall kid market is either in hip-hop or bubble gum pop. Could you see Dennis singing a song about the sex related/body part songs of today at his age?

Understandable but look at a guy like Bob Seger
He took some time off came back with a great cd and is selling out everywhere he goes.
The fact is sometimes less is more and Dennis DeYoung knew this when it came to STYX
To shove this incarnation down our throats years after year with nothing new is a joke,
Its now a 25thousand dollar per show band and thats it
They are back where they came from doing high schools
Its time to put STYX to sleep for 5 years .

by **shaka** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:39 am

DerriD wrote:Froy may have a little more of a leg to stand on with his jabs at the 'New' live album. I bought the CYO CD thinking that the DVD was included (like 21st Century Live). Much to my disappointment it was only the CD. Much like the Journey fan base tiring of the 'Dirty Dozen', the same old songs being played over and over and over is getting old. The two new songs are forgettable, with Just Be being about a bland a Styx song as there has ever been. One With Everything was about the only song that saves this set from being totally worthless.

Even the fans of this new release(s) have to hedge their bets with the CD by saying, "well the CD is okay, but the DVD is really good." The DVD and the Cyclomedley was why I bought the package in the first place. Now I have to go buy the DVD seperately. What a waste. I also have noticed that the Youth Orchestra does indeed get drowned out. Wasn't that the point in the first place?

So you bought the cd thinking you were getting a DVD? Is that somehow the bands fault?

Anyway, I agree with you as far as the CD goes. Bad production period. However, when people say the DVD is much better they aren't lying. I suspect that it would be important to watch in Dolby Digital or DTS in order to experience the DVD to it's fullest. It's funny, Everything All the Time on the DVD has grown on me quite a bit. At first I didn't like it and now I put in the DVD just to watch that song. It's strange how it doesn't work on CD but works in a great way on the DVD.

by **Abitaman** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:35 am

froy wrote:Sorry to say but even a new dvd and cd could not generate any vibes for this dead band.
Its over man
Just simply over,

Froy it maybe over for you, but not me. I am a Styx fan in any incarnation. Before Tommy, with the classic line up, with Glen, with Larry, with Ricky. I have listened to the new cd twice since getting it Thursday, and I like it. Will give my opinion later in the week after a few more listens. Is it as good as Dennis' last live cd? No! But it is still good. Yes there is thinks I don't like about Styx right now, heck there are thinks we probably don't like about are loved ones right now, but I have not given up on them or Styx, should you?-ERIC

by **NealIsGod** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:45 am

froy wrote:Understandable but look at a guy like Bob Seger
He took some time off came back with a great cd and is selling out everywhere he goes.

That's because he is good.

by **DerriD** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:49 am

shaka wrote:
DerriD wrote:Froy may have a little more of a leg to stand on with his jabs at the 'New' live album. I bought the CYO CD thinking that the DVD was included (like 21st Century Live). Much to my disappointment it was only the CD. Much like the Journey fan base tiring of the 'Dirty Dozen', the same old songs being played over and over and over is getting old. The two new songs are forgettable, with Just Be being about a bland a Styx song as there has ever been. One With Everything was about the only song that saves this set from being totally worthless.

Even the fans of this new release(s) have to hedge their bets with the CD by saying, "well the CD is okay, but the DVD is really good." The DVD and the Cyclomedley was why I bought the package in the first place. Now I have to go buy the DVD seperately. What a waste. I also have noticed that the Youth Orchestra does indeed get drowned out. Wasn't that the point in the first place?

So you bought the cd thinking you were getting a DVD? Is that somehow the bands fault?

Anyway, I agree with you as far as the CD goes. Bad production period. However, when people say the DVD is much better they aren't lying. I suspect that it would be important to watch in Dolby Digital or DTS in order to experience the DVD to it's fullest. It's funny, Everything All the Time on the DVD has grown on me quite a bit. At first I didn't like it and now I put in the DVD just to watch that song. It's strange how it doesn't work on CD but works in a great way on the DVD.

I guess you didn't fully read my post. I thought the two were packaged together a la 21st Century live. Never said it was the band's fault, only my own. But the bigger picture is that the CD is more or less another filler that I have no one but myself to blame for buying.

by **Ash** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:22 am

styxfanNH wrote:Froy,

I don't think anyone here thinks that regardless of what members are in the band that they would chop the pop charts again.

The overall kid market is either in hip-hop or bubble gum pop. Could you see Dennis singing a song about the sex related/body part songs of today at his age?

Thats the thing. In Canada he doesn't have to in order to sell out shows and sell a ton of CD's. Granted the US has gotten more shallow in terms of it's music, but I think it's to the point of being beyond an argument that Dennis is simply more successful than DFB in an overall sense in terms of selling concert tickets and CD's.

by **styxfanNH** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:29 am

Ash wrote:
Thats the thing. In Canada he doesn't have to in order to sell out shows and sell a ton of CD's. Granted the US has gotten more shallow in terms of it's music, but I think it's to the point of being beyond an argument that Dennis is simply more successful than DFB in an overall sense in terms of selling concert tickets and CD's.

In Canada maybe, not the US.

I think we know the arguements both ways, so I'll stop here.

(And you know I supprt both sides)

by **bugsymalone** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:38 am

In the grand scheme of things, both Current Styx and Dennis are doing well. Mostly trading on their past glory, but that is the nature of nostalgia acts anyway.

New material is mostly ignored from "old" acts. Even the biggest ones.

I think it was an honor for Current Styx to be asked to perform and record the CYO show, just as it was an honor for Dennis to be asked to perform and record Soundstage.

They will never scale the heights they did back in their heyday, despite what JY says.(And he lives in some sort of dream world where he sees this as a possibility).

Dennis has been the realist about who/what he is now. ("I sing for my supper. I get to do what I love to do." ) And he is finally being rewarded for his musical accomplishments with the appearances on the two hugely popular Canadian music shows and Celebrity Duets and VH1 in the US.

Neither Current Styx nor Dennis are going to be setting fires with any CD's of new material they produce in the next few years. They will please their various fans, but that will be about it.

Bugsy

by **Ash** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:38 am

styxfanNH wrote:
Ash wrote:
Thats the thing. In Canada he doesn't have to in order to sell out shows and sell a ton of CD's. Granted the US has gotten more shallow in terms of it's music, but I think it's to the point of being beyond an argument that Dennis is simply more successful than DFB in an overall sense in terms of selling concert tickets and CD's.

In Canada maybe, not the US.

I think we know the arguements both ways, so I'll stop here.

(And you know I supprt both sides)

I honestly think it's pretty even here in the US. Perhaps DFB does better in terms of shows because they play everywhere and your mom's living room if they'll have em. And they've also done more live albums and re-treaded albums. They've only done one full album of original material in the 7 years since they fired DeYoung. I thought they wanted to make more records and do things faster?

::shrugs:: Sometimes it makes no sense at all.

by **styxfanNH** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:49 am

Ash wrote:
styxfanNH wrote:
Ash wrote:
Thats the thing. In Canada he doesn't have to in order to sell out shows and sell a ton of CD's. Granted the US has gotten more shallow in terms of it's music, but I think it's to the point of being beyond an argument that Dennis is simply more successful than DFB in an overall sense in terms of selling concert tickets and CD's.

In Canada maybe, not the US.

I think we know the arguements both ways, so I'll stop here.

(And you know I supprt both sides)

I honestly think it's pretty even here in the US. Perhaps DFB does better in terms of shows because they play everywhere and your mom's living room if they'll have em. And they've also done more live albums and re-treaded albums. They've only done one full album of original material in the 7 years since they fired DeYoung. I thought they wanted to make more records and do things faster?

::shrugs:: Sometimes it makes no sense at all.

I think it is kind of hard to judge the popularity of either because the number of shows they do is very different. That and the music that they are now playing within their respective sets is pretty different.

But I don't think i would really disagree with the premis that they are equally successful within their live show appeal. In a weird way they both need the other out there performing to play off the other.

It has been pretty much substantiated that CMC wanted Styx to concentrate on performance cd's because they were fairly inexpensive to produce. New Door is no different in that they are pretty upfront that their mission is to promote the acts that they have a back catalog of so the hit collections, the cover album and even the CYO cd don't go much off that.

And I agree that in the overall scheme of things, none of this makes much sense at all.

by **Blue Falcon** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:28 am

Live albums USED to be a big deal because they didn't come out very often...Rush had 5 years between their first and 2nd live albums, and 7 years between the 2nd and 3rd live albums...and then another 9 years went by before their 4th live album came out.

Then Rush put out the Rio CD/DVD in 2002, which was great. But then just two years later the 30th Anniversary CD/DVD came out...with almost exactly the same setlist. As a big Rush fan I had to buy it, but there's nothing novel about it because it's too similar to its predecessor.

Same thing with Stynx. How many versions do people need of JY howling "Miss America" when it just gets worse with each passing year?

by **shaka** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:52 am

Blue Falcon wrote:Live albums USED to be a big deal because they didn't come out very often...Rush had 5 years between their first and 2nd live albums, and 7 years between the 2nd and 3rd live albums...and then another 9 years went by before their 4th live album came out.

Then Rush put out the Rio CD/DVD in 2002, which was great. But then just two years later the 30th Anniversary CD/DVD came out...with almost exactly the same setlist. As a big Rush fan I had to buy it, but there's nothing novel about it because it's too similar to its predecessor.

Same thing with Stynx. How many versions do people need of JY howling "Miss America" when it just gets worse with each passing year?

Actually, Miss America on OWE DVD is very good. Of course you wouldn't know because you haven't bothered to check it out.

by **stabbim** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:02 am

Blue Falcon wrote:Then Rush put out the Rio CD/DVD in 2002, which was great. But then just two years later the 30th Anniversary CD/DVD came out...with almost exactly the same setlist. As a big Rush fan I had to buy it, but there's nothing novel about it because it's too similar to its predecessor.

R30 is plenty different, IMO. And has cool bonus material to boot.

There are some bands from whom I would happily purchase an official live album &/or DVD from every tour they've ever done. Rush is one of them.

by **Blue Falcon** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:39 am

shaka wrote:
Blue Falcon wrote:Live albums USED to be a big deal because they didn't come out very often...Rush had 5 years between their first and 2nd live albums, and 7 years between the 2nd and 3rd live albums...and then another 9 years went by before their 4th live album came out.

Then Rush put out the Rio CD/DVD in 2002, which was great. But then just two years later the 30th Anniversary CD/DVD came out...with almost exactly the same setlist. As a big Rush fan I had to buy it, but there's nothing novel about it because it's too similar to its predecessor.

Same thing with Stynx. How many versions do people need of JY howling "Miss America" when it just gets worse with each passing year?

Actually, Miss America on OWE DVD is very good. Of course you wouldn't know because you haven't bothered to check it out.

And I won't, either. JY's stupid shenanigans and tendency towards filing lawsuits at the drop of a hat has erased any desire in me to check out the modern incarnation of Styx. Oh well, at least I still have their classic stuff to listen to.

by **styxdudebrandon** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:22 am

froy wrote:
styxfanNH wrote:Froy,

Its now a 25thousand dollar per show band and thats it
They are back where they came from doing high schools
.

First of all, Its 55 thousand
and Second, High schools? What the fuck!?!? Too much exaduration,
You have been saying the same things over and over forever.... please go back to the time when you where just outside looking in I am already getting tired of you again...

by **Ash** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:43 am

shaka wrote:Actually, Miss America on OWE DVD is very good. Of course you wouldn't know because you haven't bothered to check it out.

"haven't been bothered"? Are you kidding? You mean you expect people to plunk down $20 for the CD, learn that the mix sucks and then plunk down another $20 for the DVD? Right. Thats $40 more dollars than DFB will ever get from me.

What does it say when you have to buy the CD AND DVD just to get good versions of the tracks. Seems like they have a lot of inconsistent production going on. Likely because... well I won't go there. Too easy

by **Ash** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:46 am

styxdudebrandon wrote:First of all, Its 55 thousand
and Second, High schools? What the fuck!?!? Too much exaduration,
You have been saying the same things over and over forever.... please go back to the time when you where just outside looking in I am already getting tired of you again...

Go back to the time when you were in school and learn how to spell and form sentences. Thanks.

by **shaka** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:14 am

Ash wrote:
shaka wrote:Actually, Miss America on OWE DVD is very good. Of course you wouldn't know because you haven't bothered to check it out.

"haven't been bothered"? Are you kidding? You mean you expect people to plunk down $20 for the CD, learn that the mix sucks and then plunk down another $20 for the DVD? Right. Thats $40 more dollars than DFB will ever get from me.

What does it say when you have to buy the CD AND DVD just to get good versions of the tracks. Seems like they have a lot of inconsistent production going on. Likely because... well I won't go there. Too easy

Last time I checked arms weren't being twisted to make people buy Styx releases. And I agree, the production is inconsistent. I take exception to him panning something he's never seen or heard simply because he's bitter.

I like miss America. The version on OWE is probably the best live recording of that particular song.

Eric

by **Ash** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:28 pm

shaka wrote:Last time I checked arms weren't being twisted to make people buy Styx releases. And I agree, the production is inconsistent. I take exception to him panning something he's never seen or heard simply because he's bitter.

I like miss America. The version on OWE is probably the best live recording of that particular song.

Eric

I understand and respect your point on this. I've listened to it... once. And can we be honest with eachother and say that JY's voice is only good within certain constrains and conditions. I think Dennis worked with JY to get the best out of him as he did with all the guys in the band. Homewrecker is an awful song, but at least JY sounds competitent as a singer. I think JY sounds absolutely terrible on this recording - and yes I've heard it - so I can comment on it. Perhaps I'm a bit biased because I think JY has turned into a douchebag, but in trying to at LEAST be somewhat objective, his singing is just not what it used to be.

By comparison, JY singing "These are the times" is horridly inconsistent. He sounded great in the intro, but when he tried to hit those higher notes, he felt completely out of place. Dennis had a way of getting him to do it and make it sound really killer. A prime example of this is during "Eddie" when JY sings, "First in the eyes of his countrymen"... I get CHILLS when I hear that - and I mean that in a positive way. I just really dig the way JY was performing back then.

I'll admit - These Are The Times is likely the best DFB song... but it could have been an even better Styx song. Hell - I even liked Gowan's treatment of the piano parts in that song. I think JY should have sang the part that Tommy sang and did it in the same style as the last pre-chorus in Eddie. But that's just my opinion

by **shaka** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:17 pm

I think JY's problem is that he's getting old and his voice will not do the things it used to. I've noticed this with the other members of the band, including Dennis. That's ok though, I think they all give great performances for their ages. If you compare JY's current singing ability with about 90 percent of his peers current ability, he kills them. Last time I saw Mick Jagger he hit about half of his notes. Brad Delp, while still great, can't sing nearly as well as he once did. Vince Neal sings every third word (mostly off key).

by **RedWingFan** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:02 pm

Ash wrote:
styxdudebrandon wrote:First of all, Its 55 thousand
and Second, High schools? What the fuck!?!? Too much exaduration,
You have been saying the same things over and over forever.... please go back to the time when you where just outside looking in I am already getting tired of you again...

Go back to the time when you were in school and learn how to spell and form sentences. Thanks.