Sun-Sentinal Article

[froy]

because it would have been the HUMAN thing to do. Chuck was VERY ill at this point in time. I think it was hororable of Tommy & JY to include him in the credits. (they did that for John when they re-recorded LADY or Little Suzie..etc) they were essentially giving up points they could have made money from, but their loyalty to their longtime FRIEND AND BANDMATE took precidence. CLASSY MOVE.

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If it was true.
Nobody knows the facts

[brywool]

No Im right Chuck did not write anything on BNW why should he get writing credits?

In the quote, CP is not talking about writing credit. He's talking about being credited for appearing on the album at all.

I dont think anyone should have gotten credit for appearing on the album
They all played seperate and mailed everything in
Its ridiculous all the way around
BNW was a disaster.
There had to be a reason he was not credited
If I remember correctly he could not even hold his bass he was so weak,
If this is his vendetta against Dennis then I think he is out of line
To burn a 30 year friendship over this is crazy.
Grow up Chuck.

If my friend, that I'd played with since I was 12 was dying of aids, and had been in my band, I'd not only credit him with playing bass but I'd also dedicate my friggin' album to him. Sorry, but IF this is true and Dennis really did this (even after John died and also Chuck's mom died), then that's pretty shitty of him. If it's not true, then who cares?

[I Stumble In]

Froy - you are accusing everyone of spinning the post and then you write this

Nobody kicked him
I was just pointing out that he was to sick to hold his bass

Everyone agrees that he played 2 songs on the album - but yet you say he didn't. Were you in the studio? Were you there to personally witness that he was to weak to play? You are the one spinning to try to make DDY look good - and the rest of the boys look bad. There is plenty of blame to share with all parties of the band for the break-up - not just JY and Tommy. DDY wasn't perfect either - so just realize that your boy isn't perfect. If you would get your head out of DDY's ass for a minute you'd realize it - you freakin ass clown.

[Ash]

Froy - you are accusing everyone of spinning the post and then you write this

Nobody kicked him
I was just pointing out that he was to sick to hold his bass

Everyone agrees that he played 2 songs on the album - but yet you say he didn't. Were you in the studio? Were you there to personally witness that he was to weak to play? You are the one spinning to try to make DDY look good - and the rest of the boys look bad. There is plenty of blame to share with all parties of the band for the break-up - not just JY and Tommy. DDY wasn't perfect either - so just realize that your boy isn't perfect. If you would get your head out of DDY's ass for a minute you'd realize it - you freakin ass clown.

Just keep in mind, there are two sides to every story. It's impossible to make a judgment as to what happened without knowing both sides. Snaping to a judgment based on one side is inherently disingenuous.

[Zan]

Just keep in mind, there are two sides to every story. It's impossible to make a judgment as to what happened without knowing both sides. Snaping to a judgment based on one side is inherently disingenuous.

Oh God, Ash - I really wish you would stop bring logic and rational thinking into these conversations - this board is no place for that sort of shite-talk. But since we're on the subject...

There are always 3 sides: Your side, My side, and the truth.

Carry on.

[rajah2165]

Look, if I get to interview Chuck, I plan to ask about that 1997 - 1999 period.

You can view it in two ways:
1. If Chuck didn't play on the album, should he really be credited? (playing devil's advocate here) Yes, he's an intergral part to the Styx story and no band is above having someone else play on an album even though another is credited, but maybe Dennis felt like it was different than the John situation in 1995/6. I don't honestly know.

2. Chuck felt forced to get credit, he'd have to play something on the album.

To some degree, though, I feel a bit vindicated because I got all kinds of shit in 1999 when I said it really didn't sound like Chuck on most of BNW.

Yeah, its a helluva lot better bass lines - (the only redeeming quality of BNW) - Chuck's a crappy bassist.

[I Stumble In]

Just keep in mind, there are two sides to every story. It's impossible to make a judgment as to what happened without knowing both sides. Snaping to a judgment based on one side is inherently disingenuous.

My point exactly!! Hell - none of us knows the whole story - including Sterling - although he certainly has learned more than most. Froy needs to learn that he doesn't know all that happened - not unless he is DDY - and even then the opinion will be slanted to ones point of view.

[stabbim]

Chuck's a crappy bassist.

Movement For The Common Man, Lorelei, and Nothing Ever Goes As Planned would like a word with you.

(among others...)

[shaka]

[quote="rajah2165]Yeah, its a helluva lot better bass lines - (the only redeeming quality of BNW) - Chuck's a crappy bassist.[/quote]

You have absolutely no clue what you're writing about. Chuck does exactly what a good bass player is supposed to and that is play what fits the song.

[ManOfMiracles]

Okay, lemme say I respect and like Chuck. Certainly, nothing against him. And he IS an important part of what Styx was, seubsequently, is.

That said... IF he did not end up contributing to BNW at all, I think it would not be right to credit him as playing on it. That's... well, lying, I think it's called. That doesn't take away from all his past contributions... all the albums he was on, he was credited for. But in a case where you did not do a body of work, it would be wrong to say you did. He could certainly be metioned anywhere in the credits (such as a dedication even, as someone mentioned...) but if he didn't play, they shouldn't have said he did.

HOWEVER... if Chuck remedied this by performing a couple of the songs... I think there's no question that he should get some credit. Did he play in response to getting cut from the credits otherwise? If so, I applaud him for whatever it took for him to do that. But whoever suggested a bass credit of Chuck and Glen in that case probably hit it right on. I work in publishing... and am a big promoter of "credit where credit is due, and not where its not." Not receiving credit for something you did not due does not discount or take away from the things you DID do, for which credit was received.

Like so many of the other issues, my guess is ultimately, it could have been handled better on BOTH sides.

[Abitaman]

Just keep in mind, there are two sides to every story. It's impossible to make a judgment as to what happened without knowing both sides. Snaping to a judgment based on one side is inherently disingenuous.

Oh God, Ash - I really wish you would stop bring logic and rational thinking into these conversations - this board is no place for that sort of shite-talk. But since we're on the subject...

There are always 3 sides: Your side, My side, and the truth.

Carry on.

what about my side?-ERIC

[Ash]

]Oh God, Ash - I really wish you would stop bring logic and rational thinking into these conversations - this board is no place for that sort of shite-talk. But since we're on the subject...

There are always 3 sides: Your side, My side, and the truth.

Carry on.

Ok... there is no place in this discussion for Extreme.... Make love not war sounds so absurd to me.

[Zan]

Just an FYI: I went to the signing tonight, and enjoyed it very much. Chuck is a really funny guy! He had a good turn-out and seemed relaxed and in good health (I'm a little disgusted that he is in much better physical shape than I, however, lol). I guess this was his first of several appearances to be made, so I'm honored we got to be his guinea pigs, so to speak. I'm about halfway through his book and am liking it a lot. As many have already said, it's an easy read with a lot of substance. I've gotten teary two or three times so far, but nothing I can't handle (yet). I'm very proud of him for deciding to do all of this. He's an inspiration in every sense of the word.

[styxfansite]

Just an FYI: I went to the signing tonight, and enjoyed it very much. Chuck is a really funny guy! He had a good turn-out and seemed relaxed and in good health (I'm a little disgusted that he is in much better physical shape than I, however, lol). I guess this was his first of several appearances to be made, so I'm honored we got to be his guinea pigs, so to speak. I'm about halfway through his book and am liking it a lot. As many have already said, it's an easy read with a lot of substance. I've gotten teary two or three times so far, but nothing I can't handle (yet). I'm very proud of him for deciding to do all of this. He's an inspiration in every sense of the word.

Very good book. Same as with you on the reading of it. Parts of it are emotional and parts have there humor.